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« on: June 29, 2013, 04:49:26 AM »
I got a Bally Continental a week ago and have been working on trying to get it working. It is in a little rough condition, but I plan on restoring it and having all the chrome re done. I am completely new to slot machine repair. I am somewhat good at working on things. I need time to learn how these work. so far I have been able to get the top panel lights to come on(the top door close button wasn't hitting the door when closed), the front light also work. is the belly glass supposed to have a light also? I can put a quarter in and the handle will pull all the way down and release the reels will shake but will not spin. ive tried putting rem oil on all of the gears and mechanical parts on the reel mechanism ive taken the reels out and they spin well on the rod. it seems as if it is close to working but not sure. I am waiting on the complete EM manual that is coming with another machine I will be getting in the next month a bally 742a. I found this continental on craigslist for trade and would really like to get this thing going im sure having the manual in front of me will help a bunch. if anyone knows why my reels are only shaking and not spinning please help thanks a lot and I look forward to meeting fellow slot hobbyists.
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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2013, 11:17:22 AM »
Welcome to NLG  nlg

You have quite a project there. The Continental was the most complicated machine that Bally ever made. There has to be two miles of wire used in that machine. Hopefully all the wiring is good and your only looking as a few mechanical issues.
How difficult is it to pull the handle? Is the handle free and returns normal?
If the handle is stiff or hard to pull, the issue may be in the damper on the right hand side of the reel bundle. The white plastic cylinder has a piston used to damper the handle return. The piston has a rubber seal that breaks down over time. The rubber turns to goo and will need to be removed and cleaned. Just reassemble without a seal installed.

Next thing to check would be the linkage itself. be sure the old grease of not preventing proper operation of the reel kickers. All linkage should turn freely on the shafts and also move slightly left and right. They should actually float freely on the shaft.

From the sound of things I tend to believe your issues so far are mechanically. Post pictures and keep us posted.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2013, 01:12:55 PM »
Hi... I agree with Neonkiss that it sounds like your problem lies with the kick linkage under the reels.. There are small shafts running left to right with pivot points, linkages and springs for each reel. Those all need to move freely on those shafts. The old grease and oil dries out, I use WD-40 to free them up, then clean up the old grease and re-oil.. There is also a back shaft you need to do the same with. Last make sure that the clock assembly is clean and oiled too. It is the geared assembly located on the left side of the reels with the spinning finned fan on top of it. Hopefully after doing this maintenance will help fix your current problem..

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2013, 02:02:15 PM »
could be a bad clock  gear
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2013, 04:06:45 PM »
Current state

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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2013, 06:27:21 PM »
I'm not sure why the pictures came up sideways. They were normal on this end? Anyhow. My long beau pin on one side of my reel assembly was broken so I replaced it with one of the long in wired beau pin assemblies off of the coin hopper that didn't have a wire going to it. So now there are the two long un wired beau pins on the coin hopper missing. Will old loose pins and missing pins even if there unwired be affecting the reels from spinning? I haven't had a chance to take the reel assembly  apart again to clean. It is really hot out here right now so the AC is where I am trying to be for now.
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2013, 06:44:46 PM »
Another try

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2013, 06:45:38 PM »
I don't know why this is happening ahhhh

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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2013, 06:48:00 PM »
Ok weird. It shows up side ways on my screen but when I click on the image it's normal I don't know maybe because I'm doing this from iphone. But here are a bunch of copies of the outside ill take pics of the inside but only one photo of each this time
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2013, 09:35:44 PM »
it dosen,t have a summit plate on side  I hope
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2013, 09:51:26 PM »
Quote from: Karliesdad88 on June 30, 2013, 06:27:21 PM
I'm not sure why the pictures came up sideways. They were normal on this end? Anyhow. My long beau pin on one side of my reel assembly was broken so I replaced it with one of the long in wired beau pin assemblies off of the coin hopper that didn't have a wire going to it. So now there are the two long un wired beau pins on the coin hopper missing. Will old loose pins and missing pins even if there unwired be affecting the reels from spinning? I haven't had a chance to take the reel assembly  apart again to clean. It is really hot out here right now so the AC is where I am trying to be for now.

The reels problem is mechanical not electronic. Heck do like I do, clear off the kitchen table, put down some news papers or old towels and do my work in comfort!!  I doubt it's a Summit..

Gary
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2013, 01:03:57 AM »
More pics

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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2013, 01:05:35 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2013, 01:06:17 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2013, 01:10:42 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2013, 01:12:30 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2013, 01:13:11 AM »
6 coin hopper

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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2013, 01:14:55 AM »
Beau plug not sure but maybe I should replace these all. Some are missing unused pins I think they're unused. There's no extra wires except in front of reel mech on left side?

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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2013, 01:18:30 AM »
10?

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2013, 01:19:30 AM »
Female beau pin ends

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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2013, 01:20:28 AM »
Lever box this part works great it easily pulls down and seems to return good

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2013, 01:26:21 AM »
I'm not sure what this is a capacitor or solenoid for something. The manual will definitely help I have to wait till I finish working on this motorcycle that I'm blacking out in exchange for the 742A machine! I was trying to do both along with other family duties. Basically my wife wanting more time with when I get home than out in the man cave or garage for hours. Hopefully ill have this bike done soon and ill have my other machine and complete EM manual to help me with this one. If anyone has ideas on how to get these reels to spin ill sneak out and give it a try haha. I probably won't be able to remove all the parts and clean them on the reel assembly till this bike is done or I bring it to the shop if I have any down time.

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2013, 01:27:16 AM »
Reel mechanical lever parts

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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2013, 01:28:06 AM »
Not sure if this is in the right position or anything isn't right with this part

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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2013, 01:28:53 AM »
Shot if the reels and the electrical behind them

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