Bally 5500, 6000 Stand lone Progressives

[tacman]

johnhisc2

   BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« on: September 09, 2007, 12:41:59 PM »   

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I have a C14, code which popped up after I managed to figure out how to get rid of the C1 Error Code.  (I knew it was something stupid like changeing the setting from 1 to SA) Anyways anybody know how to get rid of a C14 its working fine in the machine accepting information from my 5500 But every 30 seconds it resorts back to C14 then the jackpot C14 then the jackpot.  Any help is GREATLY appreciated!

Thanks

John

 
StatFreak

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2007, 04:07:17 PM »   

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The error in the manual is:

C14   The selected Machine Serial setting is not supported

You might check the Bally Option 2 setting. I believe that 0004 and 0005 are the only correct choices for the Mikohn.

I'm not an expert here, so a post from an expert would be appreciated.  I'm not certain what the correct PSP M- and MS- settings are for the Bally 5500?
I'd like to be sure myself actually..   
 
 
johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2007, 06:40:48 PM »   

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Its not the machine because if I swap out another working unit, it doesn't come up.  I am wondering if its a setting on the Mikohn I don't know about.  I am rather new to the programming of these although I did program the first 2 no problems.  Appreciate everyones help on rebuilding my army of one armed bandits!

John

 
johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2007, 09:49:59 AM »   

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I hit the jackpot on my machine yesterday and it didn't work, but I went through the CAM settings and they were not correct so I updated them Changed Option 80 to 1 and Yes it sent the little signal.

Heres my Current problem though on my 6000 (I don't have a working one yet) I can get the CHAM to accept the coin in but when I switch option 80 to 1 it switchs back... Any time I switch the options on 2 (to anything besides 5) I get a 91 Error that has to be RAM Cleared (we all know how much fun Ram Clearing a 6000 is) 

Anyways Anyone have a suggestion what I can do maybe my dip switches are set incorrectly?  If I put that Cham on the 5500 it resets just fine if I do the test on that one... its the 6000 I am sure its a setting on the MPU...

If I do the test it says JP1 but nothing comes up on the Mikohn... because option 80 WON'T allow me to switch it to 001

Option 7 set to 1
Option 78L Set to 1
Option 2 ONLY Works with Setting 5 Otherwise I get lockups.. Havent Tried 006 007 yet!~

Suggestions are Greatly appreciated!

Thanks

John

 
StatFreak
 

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2007, 01:25:02 AM »   

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Sorry to hear that. K+ for the posting.

I believe that I'm in the same boat    Only it's not CaptainHappy's boat! 

Here is what I've found:

First, if you're getting a 91-0 error and NOT a 91-1 error, that just means that the serial communication to the progressive has timed out. It does not require a saferam clear.

What I found was that the Mikohn worked with options 0004 and 0005. These are S/MPI (Serial) and MPI.
In option 5 however, the machine does not communicate serially with the Mikohn. That means that the progressive amount is not communicated to the Bally's books.
So option 0004 is the only fully working solution (as far as I have been able to determine). John, see my spreadsheet regarding JW9 if you're getting a 91-0 error in option 0004.

However, just like you, I could not trigger a jackpot on the mikohn these modes using option 80 (the test mode). Up to now I have been playing my machine waiting for a jp and hoping that it would work. After your post, I'm pretty sure it WON'T.

Attached is a nutshell of what I've found. Note that option 0002 did trigger a JP in the Mikohn, but the coin in and books did not work.
Also note the Mikohn settings I've tried.
If anyone has an answer for us, please post. 
 
 
 

[tacman]

johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2007, 12:29:30 PM »   

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You have been dealing with this problem forever.... Well heres where I stand...The 6000 I have setup right now is a RARE top hit... DBL JACKPot so the chances of me hitting it are slim.... My 2 5500s I have setup right now are both Blazing 7's... Which hit normally quite frequently.  The 5500s both Hit and reset according to plans in test mode and Real time... the 6000 though When I change option 80 to 1... And Reset it Automatically changes it back to Default.  IF I switch option 80 to 1 and go to the next option and back to 80 its still at Default 0000.

So I belive the thing will reset properly (wishful thinking) But until I  can figure out why it won't let me switch option 80 to 1 I am stuck.  Any SUggestions on this one? 

I just got a 2nd 6000 up and running today, its not a progressive machine though... I spent more time playing with this Mikohn on this last one... the CHam is SO Easy to setup on the 5500's... But it seems a little more difficult on the 6000's... Who knows maybe its setup just fine.... I will Be SO Dissapointed though if it hits and doesn't work...  I know Ozzy its not a train wreck if it doesn't work... BUT its the principal... haha Especially on a machine thats as Rare to hit as DBL JACKPOT 777

Option 80 won't let me do it... Help!

Thanks and good luck to you all! back into the belly of my slots I go!

J

 
StatFreak

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2007, 05:49:33 PM »   

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Odd. I have a 5500 that has some of the menu characteristics of a 6000, and it has a Blazing 7's clone in it.

My experience with option 80 is that it's good for "one use". That is, you set it to 1, then immediately push the test button to move to group 10 (or whatever?) to test the payout positions. You set it to the jp and max coins and press spin, and it should trigger the Mikohn. That's how it worked for me (in option 2 - 0002 above). But option 80 is not permanent so every time you go to it in the menu it reads 80  0.

Mine might not be working right either, but since it DID trigger the jp/mikohn in setting 2 - 0002, I think that option 80 worked as intended.

What were your settings for the 5500, including the CHAMII+  settings?
 
 
johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2007, 11:24:33 PM »   

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My settings in the 5500s (I have 3 of them, one of them just went DOWN TODAY) GRRRR Anyways...  My Setting is 002 - 5 0007 - 01 78l - 01

That works for everything but the book keeping.. I can't STAND the slow play if I use option 4... That Resets the MIkohn with 80....

The 80 is only good for one time... but on my 6000 if I change it to 1 and click to the next option.. Go back 80 is 0 again... It automatically goes to default.  I even tried going from 80 - 01 directly to TEST (10) but it still didn't work ....  When I went back to OPTION 80 it was 0 of course...

Anyways my 5500 has a 43, I get that ram cleared now I am stuck on 50!  50 Of all things...  Hmmmmmmmmmmm  Back into the belly of my slots I go!

Talk to ya later!

John

 
StatFreak

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2007, 11:40:36 PM »   

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K+ for the confirmation of the settings. 

50-door switch bad or wiring of same.. most likely.

So what are your settings on the Mikohn for the 5500?
 
 
johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2007, 08:36:08 AM »   

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My Settings on the Mikohn are as follows... on the 5500 and my 6000 the same...

Display 1
JP Group SA
Mfile 1 4
Idspeed 50
Font (I Have each on different) I like the rotate one that looks like a tornadoe!
Size 60


Test off
Birth Off

Gradr 255
IDADR 64
RTR default
Mach Add 1


When I got my 1st 5500 it had a wrking CHam in it so I just copied the settings from one to the other...  It seems to be working.  I tore out the Card Reader Crap on that 5500 last week, maybe I nicked a wire or something... Some of those Card reader things Are a REAL PAIN in the Ass to get out!  Especially the older ones...  This one took FOREVER now my machines not working! haha...  Back into the belly I go!

J

 
StatFreak

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2007, 10:19:54 PM »   

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Thanks again. My mistake. What I meant was, what PSP settings did you use in the Mikohn?   Sorry about that one.   
 

[tacman]

johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2007, 10:57:07 PM »   

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PSP Settings, I have a little different for Each machine, actually the only thing I change is the Increment Value, what I did was I First Loaded the settings from the Mikohn that worked.. then Kept copying that same setting from machine to machine just changing the jackpot amounts! haha So Really I have no Idea what the settings are on PSP...

Is that Cheating?  Or Divine Ingenuity  (Wow) I must be tired!

Still looking for the Reel Strips for SMI 7703 Bally 2nd Chance Blazing 7's anyone in the WORLD have them or even a picture so I can get them Recreated!!!!!

=)

Thanks

John
 
 
johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2007, 10:31:55 PM »   

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FINALLY Got that 6000 to FAKE Jackpot on the Mikohn... Considering its like 1 in 100000 to hit the top prize I was finally able to Fake it.... There were two wires leading from the Mikohn to the Backplane board (1 to the normal spot where progressives go) and another one that said Link.... So I unplugged the "LINK" One so only 2 wires going from Mikohn to Backplane and Voila the old baby Said JACKPOT 10,356 CURRENT 10,000

002 (Was on setting 005) If I put it on setting 004 (Statfreak) I got 91Error... I tried to go back to 5 and I got a different 91 Error.  I turned the progressive off (002) 000 Played a spin Turned (002) - 005 and presto back in business!


Can't believe all that effort before and all I had to do was pull out a wire! haha

Stupid!

Hope this helps Statfreak!

(even though) 004 won't help in your book keeping efforts!  I don't WANT to know how much I have lost!

haha

J

 
StatFreak

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2007, 02:08:29 AM »   

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Thanks for all the info and another K+.

I don't know if it will help me. I have a 5500, and I have 4 wires between the machine and the Mikohn. Two are for the coin in and JP pulse (one is gnd), and the other two are for the serial communications. When I disconnect the serial wires in option 0004 I then get a 91-0 error that means "communication time out (more than 500 ms)". That is what's supposed to happen. If I re-connect them it goes away.

When the wires are connected I get no errors in either mode. In mode 0005 there is no registration in the machine of the progressive amount. In mode 0004, there is, and there is a pause which can be a bit annoying between each play as the machine receives the data from the Mikohn.

I can't trigger a progressive jackpot in either mode in test mode. The Mikohn registers something like 6 coins in (6 pulses) but does not trigger the 3 second JP. I've checked the connections and they're OK. And test mode DOES trigger the Mikohn jackpot if option 2 is set to 0002.

That tells me that my wiring is correct. I guess I'll just have to wait and see when it hits. My gut tells me it's not going to trigger. Hope I'm wrong.
 
 
johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2007, 12:06:20 PM »   

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On my 5500s (I have 3 of them ALL blazing 7's right now But thats soon to change) All three have 4 wires attached from the Backplane to the mikohn...All three have the same delay if I set to option 4, all are set on option 5 and all do fake jackpots and Regular jackpots just fine....

My 6000 which is the one i had the problem with, Its a DBL jackpot Blazing 7 so its a RARE one to hit the top prize..  in machine the 4 wires were divided 2 went to the left side that said "LINK" and 2 went to the right side the same spot where the Mikohn normally plugs in.... I couldn't get it to fake a jackpot for me.... So I tried unplugging the "LINK" side and she hit! a Fake at least!....  I might change machines and put the Blazing 7 in the 6000 and the Dbl Jackpot in the 5500 so I can see what happens when it hits...  Blazing 7's hit pretty frequently normally compaired ot the DBL Jackpot that i could play for the next 3 years and not hit it....   I am getting 2 2nd Chance Blazing 7's kits shortly they are another quick hit jackpot I LOVE THEM!!!!!!  (Fav Machine of all times) I Might put 1 in a 5500 and 1 in a 6000 and move that Dbjackpot into the 5500 So I can Test my mikohn on the 6000 when I get my 2nd Chance machines...  Either way I will keep you posted but i thought I would let you know I managed to get it to hit on the 6000 by just removeing those two wires... it seems to be working fine with 2 wires from the mikohn to the backplane!

Until the house blows up!

haha

John

 
johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2007, 02:42:44 PM »   

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I put my blazing 7 5500 kit in my 1st progressive 6000, after about 1 hour of play I was Lucky enough to hit three Blazing 7's... Furthermore the Mikohn worked like a Charm....Took longer to change the kit then hit the jackpot! LUCKYLUCKYLUCKY~! Mikohn and machine Reset according to specs.

Settings are

78L 1
002 - 005
007 - 01

It didn't pull up the progressive amount but instead said HPJP1  I am Happy with that as I am not a statfreak! =) 

I only have 2 wires going from the Mikohn to the Backplane board. The side that said LINK I unplugged them, I am not sure if this machine was a link at one time but it had a Stand alone ChamII in it... Anyways hope this helps!  I am Happy all 4 of my current Progressive machines are working accordingly...  11 Machines 8 Running 4 Progressive as of right now..



John
 
 
StatFreak

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2007, 11:07:49 PM »   

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Well, if mine doesn't work when it hits (sometime in 2010) then I might try disconnecting the serial wires and changing option 2 to 0005.

Thanks for all the info. 

<Now I KNOW that the machine's RNG has nothing to do with the Mikohn, but da  if I used to hit the 7's all the time before installing this thing. Never since...   
 
 
johnhisc2

   Re: BALLY 5500, 6000 Stand Alone Progressives!
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2007, 12:46:09 AM »   

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Funny thing, I installed a jackpot bell on my blazing 7 back in MARCH....It took over 22000 Spins for that puppy to hit last month almost 6 months later....  I've hit it twice since... I've almost got a complete 2nd chance Blazing 7's kit... its a real quick hit progressive.... When you get 2 blazing 7's it allows you to respin and gives you a "2nd" chance at the Top Prize... it does the same thing with the Fireballs the 2nd Prize... Once the machine is together (another week or so) I will post a picture of it.... Its been a LONG LONG time putting this baby together....... S&J made the top Glass... got the Reel Strips from California, the Belly Glass from NJersey and the Eproms from Arizona!

haha...... Can't wait to get the Progressive Top Glass in a week!  Anyways good luck and I hope she pops for ya soon!@

J

 
 
 

[elvisc]

Hi all,

I need help with an Mikohn ChamII+ controler.

The controler work normaly for two to three week and then write code C10 then I only upload the progressive value and parameters with PSP and then it work for two to three week and then write the same error code C10 and the progressive value is 0.
Attached the controler settings and connection.
The game is Bally S6000 At The Hop.

Where is the possible problem on the controler?

I have change the battery and electrolitic capacitors C24 (220uF/25V), C35 (220uF/25V), C37 (4,7uF/50V), C38 (10uF/50V), C39 (10uF/50V), C40 (4,7uF/50V).

Anyone have any idea of possible errors?

Thanks.

[jay]

My first guess would have been battery as that is what would keep the message etc when the unit loses power..... if this is in a casino or on 24/7 you should not be losing power which would negate the need for he battery.

You can test the battery function by pulling power and then re-applying the power to the ChamII+ if it loses its settings then you still have a battery issue. If it keeps them then we are looking for something else.

I am thinking that you might have a power supply issue.

[StatFreak]

MODERATOR NOTE: I moved the thread to the Bally reel slot board. SF

[elvisc]

My first guess would have been battery as that is what would keep the message etc when the unit loses power..... if this is in a casino or on 24/7 you should not be losing power which would negate the need for he battery.

You can test the battery function by pulling power and then re-applying the power to the ChamII+ if it loses its settings then you still have a battery issue. If it keeps them then we are looking for something else.

I am thinking that you might have a power supply issue.

Sorry for my english.
This machine is located in casino and have power off every day betvin 5am to 12am the remaining time is powered on and working.
I change the battery, becouse they have 2,7V and all electrolitic capacitors. At this time the battery have 3.2V but the problem is the same, after two or three week when power on the machine its work normaly and on certain time they have the error C10 and the value of the progressive on the display is right and if restart the machine they have error C10 and progressive value 0.
I have 20 of this machine with progressive and all work fine except this one, this error is repeatedly last three or four month.
I only upload with PSP the setings and they work for next two or three week.
I don't know where is the problem.

[a69mopar]

Have you tried to switch the U4 ram chip and the U5 flash chip with ones from a working controller and see if the error follows the chips.

Thanks,
Wayne

[elvisc]

Have you tried to switch the U4 ram chip and the U5 flash chip with ones from a working controller and see if the error follows the chips.

Thanks,
Wayne

Thank you wayn for the suggestion I don't change the U4 and U5.
I try this the next time the error will displayed, becouse the restricted jurisdiction in my country.
Bye.

[modman]

            I have a couple S5500 machines and both are progressive. One is working with a part # 341-002-10B and the other machine has a part # 341-001-80 and is not working as it had an additional module that used to do custom display lettering but it lost memory so I had it sent in to the guy I bought the machine from. I haven't received my module back in over 3 years so now I'm on my own. Is there a way to get the 341-001-80 to work? or do I need to get part# 341-002-10B? the part # 341-001-80 has small wires jumped across the lower board along the prongs in at least 3 areas so I think it was a modification? Perhaps to keep things simple to just get a new board part # 341-002-10B? anyone has an extra board for sale? The non working progressive says EMPTY and C1 and C3. Mostly C1. C3 showed up upon turning on the machine. Any help appreciated.

[a69mopar]

Have you tried to switch the U4 ram chip and the U5 flash chip with ones from a working controller and see if the error follows the chips.

Thanks,
Wayne

how is this going?  has the problem been resolved?

W

Thank you wayn for the suggestion I don't change the U4 and U5.
I try this the next time the error will displayed, becouse the restricted jurisdiction in my country.
Bye.

[elvisc]

Have you tried to switch the U4 ram chip and the U5 flash chip with ones from a working controller and see if the error follows the chips.

Thanks,
Wayne

Thank you wayn for the suggestion I don't change the U4 and U5.
I try this the next time the error will displayed, becouse the restricted jurisdiction in my country.
Bye.

I replace the controler with another and this work perfectly.
On the non working I replace the battery and in one week the voltage of the battery go to 2,9V from 3,2V of new battery.
What is the possible element that discarge the battery?