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Title: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on July 10, 2012, 01:43:46 AM
Still new here but I now have a MIKOHN CHAM2 stand alone unit power supply and display, What cables do I need to connect this unit to a bally 5500 Red Hot Genies machine?  Aslo what cables would I need to connect to mastercom 250 to the display and card reader?


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on July 13, 2012, 02:17:30 AM
I would guess I need something to go from J7 to the machine?


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on July 13, 2012, 02:18:58 AM
Or would it be J6?


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: bruno on July 13, 2012, 11:02:42 AM
Hi emt232004,
I'm not familiar with the Mastercom 250 & card reader, so I hope another member will help you.
For the Mikohn ChamII+ you must connect J7 to J9 & J10 on the backplane of the machine.
I recommend you read the excellent post by StatFreak  >>> newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=7606.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=7606.0)
Bruno   :88-


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on July 23, 2012, 02:13:58 AM
How do I get this to go to J9 & J10? The other end is connected to J7


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: bruno on July 23, 2012, 01:53:42 PM
You must use a specific wiring.
Here's a pic.
NB:Copyright>This pic. from Ford(FORDSBS) member here. Thanks.


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: FORDSBS on July 23, 2012, 05:36:55 PM
They are out there but hard to find. I'd check with vendors @ top of page & Raz410 who is a member.


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on October 22, 2012, 07:01:37 PM
Not having much luck but still looking if anyone has seen one


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on November 19, 2012, 07:49:32 AM
You must use a specific wiring.
Here's a pic.
NB:Copyright>This pic. from Ford(FORDSBS) member here. Thanks.

If I give up on trying to find this and attempt to make one does anyone know where I can get the 12 pin and the two 6 pin connectioins? I found the 4 plug part. What wire would I use? In the photo it looks like there are two white and green wires coming out of the 4 place plug?


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: Ron (r273) on November 19, 2012, 01:01:31 PM
PM Stayouttadabunker, he is good at finding connectors.

Ron (r273)


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: FORDSBS on November 19, 2012, 01:05:14 PM
If he's not playing golf.
PM Stayouttadabunker, he is good at finding connectors.

Ron (r273)



Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on November 19, 2012, 04:02:39 PM
okay...I just saw this...was redirected by a fellow member! lol
It looks like the single row 12-pin connector with the red lines is an AMP panduit connector.

Gimme a couple of minutes to find it for ya!  :89-


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on November 19, 2012, 05:04:11 PM
okay...the closest to it I can find is on mouser and it's a 12-pin female connector which would work.
This is similar to the one you need...just a different company makes it but it has the pins which are "solderless".
Basically, you just take a small flat head screwdriver and force the wire down in between the split pin knives that cut through the vinyl wire cover and grab/contact the wire.
Here's the links to them. Just type in the part number in the mouser website and it should come up.
You'd want the 12-pin (12 position) single row plugs...>>>

http://www.te.com/catalog/pn/en/4-643815-2#features (http://www.te.com/catalog/pn/en/4-643815-2#features)

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/4-643815-2/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtsLRyDR9nM1w%2fb70V3tmfCwFnOoH7P3tU%3d (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/4-643815-2/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtsLRyDR9nM1w%2fb70V3tmfCwFnOoH7P3tU%3d)


These are the NOT most reliable way of making a good connection because if your screwdriver tip is too thick, you risk over-spreading the pin 'knives" and the wire is not very properly "gripped".
The photo I'm attaching is from a 3D snapshot and of a different color due to the software drawing limitations (only two colors) but it's basically your plug...you can see in the photos that they have the wire gripping pins...>>>


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on November 20, 2012, 04:41:43 AM
Thank you for the help and fast replies.

What type of wire should I use?

Is this the correct part for the black 6 position connectors in the photo?

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/43020-0600/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtsLRyDR9nM13kGx0WjOXXXw%252bkz%252bzciywc%3d (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/43020-0600/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtsLRyDR9nM13kGx0WjOXXXw%252bkz%252bzciywc%3d)


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on November 20, 2012, 01:41:05 PM
What type of wire should I use?
Is this the correct part for the black 6 position connectors in the photo?

I'd use 22awg stranded wire for your harness.
The link you chose is the wrong one.
Those look like Molex 2.54's SL connectors....again, it's rather hard without the measurements.
However, I do see the polarized tab or nib in the photo.

The one pictured on the mouser sheet is an 8-pin but you'll see what I mean when you look at this page...>>>

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/22-55-2062/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduj8%2fYfeijvZLz6MuSrIICiBNXV9TjCQEqVFbamTgOP0nw%3d%3d (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/22-55-2062/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduj8%2fYfeijvZLz6MuSrIICiBNXV9TjCQEqVFbamTgOP0nw%3d%3d)



Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: McCackie on November 24, 2012, 10:37:10 PM
An early molex type plug with pins may be better,  a screwdriver is not the right tool,  it tends to damage the plug.  Look for either 4mm or 0.186" at any half decent electronics store,  not much help, but in Sydney I often buy from  Jaycar these, HM-3432 (2pin), HM-3433 (3 pin) and HM-3436 (6 pin).


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on November 30, 2012, 08:59:55 PM
What type of wire should I use?
Is this the correct part for the black 6 position connectors in the photo?

I'd use 22awg stranded wire for your harness.
The link you chose is the wrong one.
Those look like Molex 2.54's SL connectors....again, it's rather hard without the measurements.
However, I do see the polarized tab or nib in the photo.

The one pictured on the mouser sheet is an 8-pin but you'll see what I mean when you look at this page...>>>

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/22-55-2062/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduj8%2fYfeijvZLz6MuSrIICiBNXV9TjCQEqVFbamTgOP0nw%3d%3d (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/22-55-2062/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduj8%2fYfeijvZLz6MuSrIICiBNXV9TjCQEqVFbamTgOP0nw%3d%3d)



 I found that if you open the pdf file for page 1623 it shows the 6pin part H rather than the 8 shown on their stock page it looks close and I will give that a try. Thanks


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on October 22, 2013, 03:28:42 PM
They are out there but hard to find. I'd check with vendors @ top of page & Raz410 who is a member.

I was finally able to find one from Raz410 on ebay. Got it hooked up and flashing C1-$0.00 now to read the post by statfreak to get it programmed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDpNvIWA-x4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDpNvIWA-x4)

Thanks again to all that have helped


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on October 22, 2013, 04:01:50 PM
played 20 credits and got no chance on the display

here are the current settings

In Test group 11:
      Opt 2:  0005 
            7:  0001
          18:  0000
        78H:  0000
         78L:  0001


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: lindam1 on October 22, 2013, 04:06:08 PM
Your problem is not so much your settings but more that the machine is not yet communicating with the Mikohn unit. It could be dead Batt. or missing or unplugged cable. several things to check before settings.


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on October 22, 2013, 04:13:12 PM
Your problem is not so much your settings but more that the machine is not yet communicating with the Mikohn unit. It could be dead Batt. or missing or unplugged cable. several things to check before settings.

Is there a trick to getting the battery out? it seems by pulling on it the tabs will come off with it...


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: lindam1 on October 22, 2013, 04:37:59 PM
The Mikohn batt. is soldered in. some have had luck breaking the tabs off the batt. and carefully soldering the new to the old tabs. (talent required). Not my recommendation.


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: stormrider on October 22, 2013, 06:41:48 PM
Why don't you tell us what you did first ?

psp settings ? F4+F8
Bally menu settings ?
Cham settings ? SA

Did you test the battery voltage first
you need a VL2020 battery...don't just rip it out
take the time to solder in a fresh battery.

These units are so old and chances are you still have the original battery installed
which will be at the end of it's life span anyway....

Save yourself the headache down the road replace it now..
Just my 2cents

You also posted a video showing C1 and no dollar amount
did you get that cleared up yet....where we at here ?

Tim


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on October 22, 2013, 07:45:11 PM
Why don't you tell us what you did first ?

psp settings ? F4+F8
Bally menu settings ?
Cham settings ? SA

Did you test the battery voltage first
you need a VL2020 battery...don't just rip it out
take the time to solder in a fresh battery.

These units are so old and chances are you still have the original battery installed
which will be at the end of it's life span anyway....

Save yourself the headache down the road replace it now..
Just my 2cents

You also posted a video showing C1 and no dollar amount
did you get that cleared up yet....where we at here ?

Tim

I figured the same with the battery that it would be better to replace it now while i'm working on it and thinking about it.


psp settings ? F4+F8
Cham settings ? SA
I have no idea how to see what they are or how to change them

The only settings on the machine I changed are the following
Test group 11:
      Opt 2:  0005 
            7:  0001
          18:  0000
        78H:  0000
         78L:  0001

The video with the C1 is the current status


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: emt232004 on October 22, 2013, 07:54:12 PM
Is there a place J4 needs to be connected to the 5500?  I have J7 to J9 & J10 on the backplane of the machine


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: stormrider on October 23, 2013, 07:48:28 AM
Being this started back in July 2012
I see this is still a work in progress for you huh

If you have no idea what psp settings are
you have some reading to do about the whole process.

First off you need the psp software and manual which can be
found in the download area

Install psp on a older pc that has a 9pin serial port
xp works great some people use usb to serial on newer pc's
but your mileage will vary on that.

Anyway you will also need a 9pin serial cable
with pins 1 and 5 jumpered on 1 end(many posts on this) with pics
The serial cable connects from the back of the pc rs232 serial 9 pin port
to J5 on the chamII+ board.

Then you would start up psp
enter password 135642 go into jackpot programming
and enter the correct values:
F3 = SNGL
F4 = M08
F5 = 3sec
F6 = JP0
F7 = $$$$
F8 = MS00
Enter the jackpot amount and increment you desire
send the info using F1 key and whammo
you will have a jackpot amount on the display.

You must also flip the switch and use padded buttons on the cham board
to select SA mode..I suggest you download the Mikohn manual.

No more C1 or $000
problem is if that battery is low the next time you power up
that progressive display you will be back to $000

If the cham has been turned off for over a year
and given it's age I would also change out the battery

So with that all being said here is a link to the
correct battery if you chose to spend the $5 for it
basic soldering skills will be needed of course.

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic-Battery/VL-2020-VCN/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtEV04R3uo8FkXjBlacmoUJ0ZNhPLX3Jrs%3d (http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Panasonic-Battery/VL-2020-VCN/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtEV04R3uo8FkXjBlacmoUJ0ZNhPLX3Jrs%3d)


Proper machine settings in the Bally menu
and proper cable between cham board and machine is also needed

Really this is a simple process to program one of these
just do some reading many threads on this very topic.

Trust me when that display lights up with the progressive amount
you will be hooked.

Good Luck

Tim


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: PalGuy on March 20, 2014, 01:47:10 PM
I know I am coming in on this a little late but did you make sure you have the opto isolator installed on the backplane in socket U1 of the game.
use Opto 4N35
Also I have 30 or 40 of these cables if anyone needs a few.


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: lindam1 on March 20, 2014, 02:29:27 PM
What cable number is it??


Title: Re: Mikohn connecting to machine help?
Post by: PalGuy on March 20, 2014, 02:48:13 PM
The Bally game had a two piece harness.
this is the harness that connects to the game and terminates in a 4 pin square connector that you can connect either the Mikohn harness or Paltronics harness to.
It connects to the EVO, S5500 and S6000
It is the same harness pictured earlier in this thread.
Thanks