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Very interesting...wonder how this will shake out?  Costco used to sell them too, but that was quickly halted in Idaho.

See here:

http://www.target.com/s/191-9526797-8700969?%5Fencoding=UTF8&searchKeywords=slot%20machine&searchSize=30&searchView=grid5&searchNodeID=1038576&searchPage=1&searchRank=relevancerank (http://www.target.com/s/191-9526797-8700969?%5Fencoding=UTF8&searchKeywords=slot%20machine&searchSize=30&searchView=grid5&searchNodeID=1038576&searchPage=1&searchRank=relevancerank)

The reels on all those machines are in the same position (photoshopped on perhaps?) and the glass artwork is like none I've ever seen on the usual pachislo's.

It's looks like they have changed the glass to some generic artwork and removed all trace of Japanese writing.

The 'Black Diamond' looks mighty close to a similiar IGT theme, maybe too close for comfort!

IGT is a major player in the pachislo business, though the machines don't carry their brand. JCM also has fingers in the pie - it makes a special skinny vertical bill acceptor about the size of a pack of cigarettes, a conveyor system to carry the bills along the backs of the rows to the cash cage, and a whole range of complicated token handling machinery that washes the tokens and recycles them into the backs of the machines.

Do they also make equipment for the Pachinko balls? Those machines also require a sophisticated conveyor system to keep the ball hoppers full.

I didn't dig through the link but are these available for national sales into all states ?

Unreal the big guy,s get bigger , but at least they aren,t giving them away  when we were in nj a few sellers wanted to get out of slot biz  sold those for 99 bucks  since we moved to va nov 08 we sold over 60 of those , at fair prices

What's the pros and cons of these pachislo's? :129-
Does anyone have one of these and a real slot? :186-
I'm thinking of picking one up to fool around with... :79-

I just took one on trade, it has a small video screen on the top, above the reels, the machine doesn't have a volume controll and is so loud that it likely could cause hearing damage. The reel strips are backlit and the quality of the reel strips are pretty good, wonder if they'd make repops. The game is in Japaneese I believe and it has fighting bonus rounds when you get the three symbols.  max credits is 50, and you can load them quickly.  The machine has a lot of plastic and the cabinet is thin and light wood, the weight of the machine is about 80 pounds, easy to carry with handles on the side.  I think boredom hit after about 5 minutes of playing this, although children would probably enjoy it for longer.  I wouldn't buy one, and it is a toy compared to an IGT or bally machine.

Thanks,
Wayne

amen   its more a toy gets boring real quick

Thanks for the feedback guys... :131-
Maybe I'll just go buy an S2000 game kit.... :97-

pachis are .............well. pachis! They are what they are. I had a few and might just get some for s__ts and giggles to round out my game room. If your are really poor, put a handle and autostop on one and pretend it's ........................well an S2000! :30- Kinda like Mommar Khadafy.........flashy and entertaining fo a while.

P.S. Real men don't let their friends use pachis...........................

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I had one and dumped it on Craigs for about 2 bills.  My kids liked it, but grew tired of it.  The volume levels are loud, loudest, and ear bleeding. 

IGT makes one called Spin Luck that is a "pachislo" version of WOF.  It's a pretty popular game and holds a pretty high value as they are hard to come by used.  IMO, I don't think any pachislo is worth more than 2 bills.

These machines can have a volume control mod added for about 15 bucks, and an autostop mod chip which prevents the user from manually pressing the stop buttons. 

The only one that I may consider getting is Gamera High Grade Vision as it really is a kick azz game for pachislo. I had a RWB pachislo 9 yrs ago, made by IGT! then I sold it. Now I'm thinking I should have kept it to put along side m8y RWB slot that I am picking up in Nov.

I bought one, then two. They are a cool machine and I like the interactivity of them. You hit the stop buttons and the reels stop. Takes some practice.
The volume level is usually adjustable as are the 6 levels of payback. Its just a matter of getting the right sequences of buttons.
Kind of like guessing a Par sheet.

They are light weight with no slot handle. I looked at adding a slot handle to mine, the available ones are just simple spring loaded things and there is no way a big IGT ratchet would fit. There is no room internally.  Even so if you use one you need to anchor the machine as it will cause it to tip. A small child grabing hold could be killed or badly hurt. Secondly the auto-stop chip add-ons kind of defeat the purpose of a SKILL-stop. This would be like setting pin-ball flippers on some kind of continual flip setting and hoping for the best. Your not likely to do well. They also have a coin mech that is pretty easy to convert to quarters but then the hopper jams with quarters and there is not like a shelf wheel to change out. Basically if you want a vegas machine, buy a vegas machine and leave the pachi in its native form.

With that said - one of the fun things about the old vegas slots is the repair, the swapping of the game kits, the progressive add ons etc. With a Pachi - its solid state and the machine is not much older than 2 years as that is the maxium service life before the machine must be exported or destroyed.

I gave both of mne away - not because they were not fun, but because I ran out of room. One went to my brother - because my kids wanted to keep it in the family and the other went to my friend Bill because he helped me hang drywall and is an all around good guy.

Well I didn't convert any of mine to quarters but a lot of people do and put them in illicit clubs and places where they can make money. Although the paybacks are very generous on the pachis and whats the purpose? Lots of lights and sound......... cool. Yes, people have installed genuine IGT slot handles on theirs and have even bolted them down so no tip over. I agree with you , buy a genuine slot if you want that experience..........this is why I am getting slot #2 in November from Bettor Slots. I think I will have quite a bit before a while. My real prize will be getting a Jennings Sun Chief for dimes.........but by the time I am ready to buy it the value will be about 5000.00 so thats that.

If you do find a older  jenning to buy make sure its NOT a dime machine  they are worth less and  jam alot and don,t pay over 1500 to 2000 if its nice  ,Its a buyers market  good for you bad for us sellers

Interesting.  It appears that they're drop shipped (based on the shipping info listed), meaning that Target isn't actually stocking them in a warehouse, just acting as the middle-man.  Costco was selling them in Minnesota, too, a few years ago, but got stopped by the state.  Despite Minnesota being a "legal" state, there's some big approval process (and fee) required to sell slot machines that are only a few years old.

What is a "pachislo", I have never heard of one ?  :52-

You Tube it. Many different kinds.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pachislo&search_type=&aq=f (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pachislo&search_type=&aq=f)

Ron

A skill-stop slot machine from Japan. I think they are fun for the kiddies.  I could never figure out the concept: if a machine takes all your money and gives you nothing in return it's OK. If it pays you some of your money back, it's gambling. Go figure?

Cool thanks, did lots of reading on the net now I understand  :89- I think they would only be fun if they would give money back, I'm sure nobody here knows
how to convert them  :5-

I have  two that have been converted to accept quarters and also tokens at the  same time Just a simple adjustment on existing coin mech.  Have a small manual that explains procedure if any one needs to know.  Also had bandit arms and volume controls added.  Not to bad to play but alot of people consider these the real thing but we all know alot better. There is no comparison.  Payout s are weak unless you hit the super Jackpots.  Jap Machine Parlors have a rule about 15 coin max wins so even when you win a jackpot you essentially have to replay and spin in an auto mode that you spin and win 15 coins at a time.  Very monotnous but the kids don't seem to mind.  The skill stop feature is easily toggled on or off by holding stop buttons in before spin. Then machine plays like regular reel stop.  When skill stop engaged you can get the first two too match very easily but the third not so much.  Like I said though there is no comparison to the S plus machine evenwhen mine both accept real money.  I have 2 pachislo and 2 s plus next to each other and the pachislo seem to collect all the empty beer bottles on them.

But they are quick and dirty if someone only has 100 or two to buy. But then again an unshopped S+ is only 100-200 dollars if you know how to look for one.

I converted a pair of them to "TABLE LAMPS"  :)

You drill a hole in the top, install a regular lamp socket and lamp shade.
AWESOME table lamp!!

The Pachislo are a real slot machine..... made for the Japanese market.

The Japan lotto commission mandates that the machines must be taken out of service after 2 years. Thats why there are so many of them.

In Japan land is at a premium - this is where cremation started (although I am sure the Swedes (aka Vikings) would argue this point) so it is actually cheaper for them to export than to send to any kind of landfill. Most Japanese homes are quite modest so there is no domestic market for having one of these in the home. My friend lives in a 600sqft studio style appartment in the center of Tokyo, she gives away her winter clothes after each season as she has no place to store them. All garbage is tolled - with different rates for items that can be incinerated, recycled, composted or fill.

Your friend must be quite well off to be able to afford 600 square feet in the center of Tokyo. :131-

The trick to enjoying Pachislos is to approach them with an understanding of how they were meant to be played, not with the expectation of having a Vegas-style class III experience. Although gambling takes place in Pachinko parlors, it is a very different environment and experience, closer to an arcade than an American casino.

I play mine more for the video clips and the music that plays during the big bonus. I love some of the Japanese phrases and broken English that the screen characters shout out -- much of it is quite amusing!  I don't even pay much attention to the coins in or out anymore. I used quarters at first, but switched over to tokens. They are easier to quick load than quarters and cleaner on the hands. The only time that I look at the credit side of playing is during the big bonus where skill can increase the size of the bonus (at least on my game). Then I compete and try to get the largest big bonus win that I can.

<ADD> I would never even think of putting a handle on the machine or trying to bypass the skill stop buttons. In fact, bypassing those buttons would ruin the play experience because during a "Mission" video, stopping each reel advances to the next part of the video segment. It's important to be able to watch each segment and then time the button presses to get a "smooth" video experience.

The machine also telegraphs clues as to what you are going to win during regular play. Sometimes it's a video clue. Sometimes it uses the back lights on the reels to tell you what is going to happen. Again, bypassing the stop buttons would ruin that aspect of play.

I've learn to hate these pachislo machines.   Not because of the machine themselves, but the people that sell them om craigslist and eBay.  You know the the ones  with the ads that read  REAL VEGAS SLOT MACHINE  or AUTHENTIC SLOT MACHINE FROM AN JAPANESE CASINO.   I have wasted a lot of time when I was looking for my first slot machine because of these ads.  When I see an ad that calls it like it is  like PACHISLO SKILL STOP MACHINE $200.   I fell like sending a thankyou letter to the person for being honest.  Anyway that's my thoughts for the day.  Mike

The problem I think is with the wording "Real Vegas Slot Machine"
I'd prefer if they called it "Real Japanese Slot Machine"
Wouldn't that make it more authentic?

However, even after this last statement, doesn't real, authentic, U.S. companies like IGT actually make Pistachios?
Or was it some other type of "skill-stop" piece of junk?

Pachislo's should be illegal just because they are a poor imitation of a slot machine. I suggest 2 things when encountering them:

1)Give them away and they can be collected and shipped back to Japan.
2)Find a friend and have them get yo azz to NLG as soon as possible for de-programming, you need serious help at this point.
3)Learn to take the knowledge here and watch it transform you into a slot addict and a person with people power.


Just kidding!!!!!!!! But you got to admit, NLG will grow on you.......

The revenue market for Pachinko and Pachi-slo is much greater than what ALL of the casinos in the world bring in (I think I read it somewhere).

I don't care if  you drive a Chevrolet Cavalier. Just don't try to tell me its an Corvette.
Mike

You guys should have seen Clay's posts from quite awhile back--Blowing those things to smithereens---It was just truely awesome and fun to watch and it was REAL.--B.- :5-.

I had a few of them, BORING!!  they limit the payout to 15 coins max, so to get more the silly thing hits the 15 coin max like 8 times or more.The music is nausiating,the lights look cheesy, the case is flimsy and the guts are not serviceable....

But they make a very pretty table lamp :)

Can I drive a Corvette and tell you it's a Chevrolet Cavalier? :200- :208- :208- :208-

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Its Japanese gaming laws that make them like this.
1. 5:1 is the max payout ratio.
2. They get around this however by guarenteeing xx number of sequential wins when you hit something big.
Japanese banking laws then prohibit how much credit can be stored in a non-banking institution thus the limit of 50 metals on each machine.

Also these are "gaming" machines not gambling machines. Thus the skill nature of the beast vs NorthAmercian slot action.
Finally they can't redeem "metals" for cash so they redeem prizes like you see in kids arcades here.

What is however different is that there is usually a prize redemption center - who just happens to want to uy your giant stuffed panda for cash.
These cannot be owned by the same company as the entertainment parlor and they have to be in their own space - ie  a kiosk within the pachi parlor is not allowed.

Let me put it this way - These are authentic Japanese Gaming machines - they are what they are and adding auto-stops, slot arms, quarter conversions etc will never make them into a NorthAmerican machine - if you want a North American Machine buy a North American Machine. If you want a skill stop buy a skill stop. When I had my two I enjoyed explaining the contrast.
Swiss gaming machines are quite different again and often have a light going up and down a tower - you hit the STOP button when the light is in the zone.

To be honest I would anticipate that the North American machines are going to evolve into more interactive machines to serve the younger video generation -
I can easily see the future being a game like SuperMario however when you jump and collect the gold coins you are winning these.

Whats different with NorthAmerican gaming laws is that all suckers punters players have to have an even chance of winning so anything that is based on dexteraious skill is not currently allowed. Mental skills ie - Poker and Blackjack are a different story.