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Title: FIXED...DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues.
Post by: motom67 on February 02, 2011, 01:24:06 AM
I have 2 slant top igt s+ slot machines.   The Bill Validators were not in the machines when I purchased them.  I recently purchased several JCM DBV 200 / B023, Transporters, bill bezels,  Power supplies and a back plate that holds the cashbox, BV, stacker and Transporter.  I do not have the stacker or cashbox.  I was wondering if anyone had a picture or could take a picture of how the wires are connected.  It seems like I'm missing something.  I get power with no problem.  

I am able to connect the bezel to the BV.
I am able to connect the BV to the transporter.
I am able to connect the BV to power.  

I am NOT able to connect the BV or Transporter to the CPU.  

I don't have any diagrams that show me how to do this.  I don't know if I need a wire harness to connect the BV to the CPU.  I have 2 unused connection points on the BV.  One has 4 pins and the other has 2 pins.  I wonder what those are for.  ???  I also have several connections behind the top glass that are unused.  The don't look like they fit to the BV.
Can anyone help?  I will take pictures and post now.  


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 02, 2011, 02:34:09 AM
Here are some pics


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 02, 2011, 02:39:53 AM
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Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 02, 2011, 02:41:17 AM
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Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: StatFreak on February 02, 2011, 03:40:12 AM
Moved topic to the S+ board, since the issue is specific to the S+ connections and harness, and not a DBV issue.

Thanks Knagl. :88-


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Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 02, 2011, 03:41:46 AM
Thanks!


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: CaptainHappy on February 02, 2011, 07:50:54 AM
Moved topic to the S+ board, since the issue is specific to the S+ connections and harness, and not a DBV issue.

Thanks Knagl. :88-


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Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: StatFreak on February 03, 2011, 02:49:17 AM
I'm not that familiar with the slant top hardware but I figured someone would have posted by now. Does the slant top use the same DBV harness to the backplane as an upright?


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 03, 2011, 03:09:32 AM
I am NOT able to connect the BV or Transporter to the CPU.  

I do not have the stacker or cashbox.
  

The BV is connected to the MPU by the cable coming from the BV power supply as circled below. Two of the wires supply input power to the power supply, The rest are the signal lines that just pass though the power supply to/from the BV to the MPU.  So as long as the other end is connected to the motherboard you should be ok for that. See diagram below.

The 2 and 4 pin connectors on the BV are not used on an upright, so I doubt they are used on a slant top.

I think that without a stacker/cashbox you will be dead in the water since the trasnport will try to cycle it.

Of course the BV needs to be enabled with a SET chip.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 03, 2011, 05:39:07 AM
Thank you. 

I am getting the cashbox this weekend.  Is there something with the box that the bv and transport sit atop?  I don't know the name, sorry.  The box also fits the cashbox and stacker.  This box has two sensors or eyes on the bottom.  Does the cashox need to reflect or somehow connect with the bv? 

I have read about 200 pages on DBV 200, cashbox's, transports...  I have a set chip for the bv.  I have tried the instructions that came with the chip.  The instructions are mispelled so I doubt they have every step described properly.  Does anyone have some more information for the slant top or igt s+ that can help me set my bv to accept $1, $5, $10, $20, $50.  I have tried to flip the dips but I'm not sure I'm doing it in the right order or right at all.   :25-


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 03, 2011, 05:43:01 AM
I'm not that familiar with the slant top hardware but I figured someone would have posted by now. Does the slant top use the same DBV harness to the backplane as an upright?

I believe that they are quite similar.  I didn't know what harnesses I was missing.  According to other posts the power supply has all the wires I need.  I would like to findout how to fire the bv up.  Does the bv hold all of the power for the bv and transporter... and faceplate...... and the stacker?    When I put power to the bv I see a red light from within the bv.  I do not get anything from the faceplate.  I have two face plates, I've tried them both and nothing. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: knagl on February 03, 2011, 06:15:03 AM
I'm not very familiar with slant tops nor the actual wiring of the bill validator, which is why I haven't had much to add.  Like Stat, I was hoping that someone else here has a slant top that can help you.

I do know this much: the faceplate will not light up until the machine has sent the signal to enable the validator, AND the validator itself is ready as well.  Without a stacker box (cash can), the validator will never be ready, so it is expected that the faceplate will not light up.  I would presume that yes, the sensors in the frame of the stacker box do need to connect to the DBV in some way so that the DBV knows when there's a box inserted and can see where in the cycle that the cash can is (I believe that's the purpose of that set of optics).  I do not know how those are connected to the DBV, though.  Is there a wire or harness coming away from those optics that will fit into the DBV?

The fact that you're seeing the little red lights inside the head of the DBV is a good sign.  Once you install the stacker box (cash can), you should hear the validator cycle as it gets the cash can ready to accept a bill.  In order to accept a bill, the validator must be enabled in the slot software with the use of a SET chip, the cash can must be installed properly, ALL doors must be closed (stacker box, validator access, and the main hatch door), and the machine must be ready to accept a coin (no tilts).  If all of those conditions are met, the faceplate should light up and it should be ready to accept a bill.

You mentioned that you flipped a bunch of DIP switches.  Don't do that.  Put them back to where they were.   :89-

Once you have your cash can, here are directions on how to enable the bill validator with a SET chip:

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm)


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 03, 2011, 11:51:00 AM
This box has two sensors or eyes on the bottom.  Does the cashox need to reflect or somehow connect with the bv? 

Does anyone have some more information for the slant top or igt s+ that can help me set my bv to accept $1, $5, $10, $20, $50.  I have tried to flip the dips but I'm not sure I'm doing it in the right order or right at all.   

Let's start with the second part first. While not set in stone, typically a DBV-200 in a S+ will have all of the dip switches off. See picture below. We need to know what your game chip number is SPxxxx. This will tell us what ID the BV uses. If the ID is set wrong, it will never work.

The cash box has a set of holes in them. When the box is inserted the sensor can see straight through. When the box is removed or inserted it breaks the sensor path and thus makes the transport cycle. But if there is no cash can at all, the BV will never enable. If it's not making any sounds, then you probably have a power supply issue as the head and trasnport will always cycle on power up.

When you power up the machine does the transport make any sounds? If so, does it sound like it is cycling about 6 or 7 times and then stops? If so, that is actually a good sign as it is cycling trying to find the missing cash can stacker.

The bottom line is there are a multitude of things that all have to be right for it to work. So we need to take it one step at a time. Read this thread too as it has some good info, especially about making sure the transport is seated properly once you do get a cash can.
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4226.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4226.0)

So give us this info as it's important:
1. What sounds if any does the BV head/transport make on power up?
2. What is your SP chip number?


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 03, 2011, 02:16:51 PM

Is there a wire or harness coming away from those optics that will fit into the DBV?

Us Slant Top owners are at a disadvantage.  Haha!  The optics wire through the frame and connect into BV with a brown and yellow wire.  There was a yellow and red wire that has been cut back.  The picture I posted earlier has a clear view of the wire. The wires are in a black casing (4 wires).




Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 03, 2011, 02:58:29 PM
There was a yellow and red wire that has been cut back. 

Not sure which one you are talking about. Of course you should repair any cut wires, but it still won't work without the cash box or if it's not cycling on power up or if the dip switches are set wrong. So we still need to know the answers asked above. If we don't take this step by step, it will be difficult to help.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 07, 2011, 04:22:58 AM
Ok.  Got the cash cans. It didn't come with a transporter.  I think I'm seeding the cash can in right.  I think the optics in the housing are able to see eachother.  The dv will cycle shortly when I take the can out.  When I put the can back the optics seem to recognize it and cycle shortly then stops. 
I set the dip switches back to the way I got em (all off). 
I went through the Setup Guide for the Denomination Set Validator Chip as Knagl said.  Everything worked well.  I set the dv to .05 cents.   I went through everything without any problems. 
However, the face place does not light up and the dv does not want to accept anything.  The dv does not try to grab the bill.  What does everyone think. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 07, 2011, 04:26:58 AM
Oh, and I also went through the thread suggested earlier in this post.  http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4226.0
 I got some info and tried trouble shooting.  I don't think the connections are off.  I fixed the two wires I was wondering about earlier in this thread.  Still have a ton of questions why I cant this dv fired up. 
The dv makes a small cycle sound when bzzz, BZ, bzzz, BZ (hard to explain), I first turn on the machine. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 07, 2011, 11:01:27 AM
Got the cash cans. It didn't come with a transporter
.......
The dv makes a small cycle sound when bzzz, BZ, bzzz, BZ (hard to explain), I first turn on the machine.  

As noted the cycling is a good sign. But it you don't have a stacker in the can, the BV will not enable. Part of the cycling is to verify the stacker is present and is put it in the home position.

Also we still need to know what number SP chip you have to ensure the BV head is set for the right ID. If it's is not, it won't enable.

Keep in mind the cycling when you power up the machine is just more or less a self test the BV unit is doing. It will do that regardless of if it has been enabled with the SET chip or anything else. All the cycling proves is that it is getting power. There are still a few things that need to be verified or fixed before it will work.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: Jim on February 07, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
in your reply picture#2  that two pin connector has to be connected to something, it's the power for the lamps on the bezel.
as for the four pin connector that had two of the wires cut!  there all have to be hooked up , they are the two sets of optic wires for the unit. with that unit unplugged the unit should cycle several and after a while it will stop by itself.

read this thread and read replies #24 and #25, http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=11051.15
 
the cash box should have come with the stacker enclosed. its the black part with the white gear wheels. the head is attached to the transport, the head/ transport unit sit atop the shelf assembly which also holds the cash box and also contains the optics.
 even if the unit has the wrong ID it will enable, normally it will accept the bill, the insert coin lamp will flicker and the bill is rejected. with certain sp chips this may vary.

Jim

 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 07, 2011, 03:42:53 PM
As Jim pointed out the cash can 'should' have the stacker installed. However it is possible is does not. Just to clarify what it should sound like, here are two videos. Listen cloesly to the difference in the cycling. The first one is the normal power up and cycling of the BV and transport. The second has the cash can (stacker) removed). You can hear in the second video how it cycles more times looking for the stacker in the cash can and then never enables. Also, if the transport is not seated properly in the tray, you will also have issues with it not enabling. The two tabs on the back of the transport need to be hooked under the opening in the tray and the gear should be sitting low like in the picture below.

Note: I did change the ID and Jim is right that the bezel light will come on, but it won't accept bills. Still it (the ID) is something we should verify in case the bezel light assy is out for some reason.

Proper power up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV5t65s98ts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV5t65s98ts)

Power up with missing stacker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8lREU54hAY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8lREU54hAY)


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 02:27:06 AM
So I don't have a stacker.  It doesn't seem like there is room between the cash can and the tranporter/BV. 
The set chip is marked with
Malaysia
am270512
-2550c
9640mpn
copyright 1986 amd

I'll send a video soon of my BV cycling on start up.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 08, 2011, 02:28:40 AM
So I don't have a stacker.  It doesn't seem like there is room between the cash can and the tranporter/BV.  

The stacker is inside of the cash can.

That is why it is important to have the transport seated properly. If the transport gear is not meshing properly with the the stacker gear, it is just as if the can was not installed.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 02:35:43 AM
I've seen pictures of it.  I guess I need to find one.  Any suggestions where to get one?
Oh, well. I don't even have the right one I guess. Mine does not look like that at all.  Mine does not have a door.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 08, 2011, 02:45:35 AM
I've seen pictures of it.  I guess I need to find one.  Any suggestions where to get one?
Oh, well. I don't even have the right one I guess. Mine does not look like that at all.  Mine does not have a door.

I think the slant top may be slightly different, but same principal.

You can put a WTB in the classifieds or try here

http://www.ohiogaming.com/igtcashbox.htm (http://www.ohiogaming.com/igtcashbox.htm)


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 02:58:09 AM
Alright, then I need to get that before I can do much. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: knagl on February 08, 2011, 05:09:10 PM
The set chip is marked with
Malaysia
am270512
-2550c
9640mpn
copyright 1986 amd

That tells us who manufacturered the EPROM chip, but doesn't tell us what data is burned on there.  Kind of an obsolete analogy now, but that's kinda like saying that the floppy disk is made by Sony and has a 1.44mb capacity -- that doesn't help to know what is on the disk.   :71-  Was there any label on there from the person you bought the chip from, like "SET15" or "SET090"?


Mine does not look like that at all.  Mine does not have a door.

How do you get the money out of the can?  Does the cash can you have fit correctly into the area below the bill validator?  Can you post a picture of the can you have now, and to also help us a picture of what you have installed in the machine to date so we know where you've progressed to?


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
Box inside of Machine


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 07:24:19 PM
pic 015.  Box removed.  pic of inside where the two pins from the transporter.  Gear of the transporter on the left. 

Pic 016.  Pic of the cash box are without the cash box inserted.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 08, 2011, 07:27:51 PM
The transport is seated properly. Someone else will have to chime in on the cash can since I don't have a slant top.

Can you show us a picture of what you meant when you said the can did not have a door (i.e. the inside of the can)


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 07:29:40 PM
pic 017.  Cash box pic 1.  Behind the circle is a large spring that compresses when pushed with minimal force.  

pic 018.  Cash box pic 2.  This says THIS SIDE UP AND OUT but I put it in the frame as it fits the easiest.  


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 07:31:34 PM
pic 020:  This is how I put this in. 

pic 021:  This is all the way back.  It feels like it is seated correctly. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 08, 2011, 07:34:41 PM
The top picture does indeed look like it is missing the stacker. That spring loaded plate just holds the bills in place against the stacker.

I have no idea about the second picture.  :103-


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 07:35:05 PM
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Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 07:41:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPZTIyPG1jI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPZTIyPG1jI)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afxRec-qWnk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afxRec-qWnk)


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 07:47:02 PM
The set chip is marked with
Malaysia
am270512
-2550c
9640mpn
copyright 1986 amd

That tells us who manufacturered the EPROM chip, but doesn't tell us what data is burned on there.  Kind of an obsolete analogy now, but that's kinda like saying that the floppy disk is made by Sony and has a 1.44mb capacity -- that doesn't help to know what is on the disk.   :71-  Was there any label on there from the person you bought the chip from, like "SET15" or "SET090"?


Mine does not look like that at all.  Mine does not have a door.

How do you get the money out of the can?  Does the cash can you have fit correctly into the area below the bill validator?  Can you post a picture of the can you have now, and to also help us a picture of what you have installed in the machine to date so we know where you've progressed to?

This is what it said on the chip before I took it off to find the numbers... BILL VALIDATOR SET CHIP.  I got it from ebay. I'm not sure I can post where I got it from.  The seller has no posting on what it type of chip it is.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 08, 2011, 07:47:53 PM
Well, we really need a slant top expert here. That power up cycle almost sounds normal (actually sounds too short). But I don't know what a slant top is supposed to sound like.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 08, 2011, 07:51:41 PM
This is what it said on the chip before I took it off to find the numbers... BILL VALIDATOR SET CHIP.  I got it from ebay. I'm not sure I can post where I got it from.  The seller has no posting on what it type of chip it is.

If it let you enable the validator, the set number is really not that important. You can look through the normal self test settings to see if it is actualy enabled and if the denomination is set properly. But someone needs to look at those cash can pictures and see what the deal is.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: JOHN42355 on February 08, 2011, 07:56:14 PM
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS CASH BOX ISSUE, :103- IS THAT IT'S THE WRONG BV CASH BOX. :30- THAT CASH BOX YOU ARE USING IS FOR BALLY AND WILLIAMS. THE IGT ONE LOOKS LIKE A WBA STACKER BOX. HOPE THIS HELPS.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 08, 2011, 08:03:14 PM
THE PROBLEM WITH THIS CASH BOX ISSUE, :103- IS THAT IT'S THE WRONG BV CASH BOX. :30- THAT CASH BOX YOU ARE USING IS FOR BALLY AND WILLIAMS.

Well, that explains that. I'm still puzzled as to why the transport does not cycle more times looking for the 'right' box.  :103- Unless this box is actually jamming the transport gear and that is why it cycles so short.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 08:27:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4A4n9RkTo8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4A4n9RkTo8)

This movie is the machine cycling without the cash can. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 08, 2011, 08:32:00 PM
This movie is the machine cycling without the cash can.  

Yeah, now that is more normal (without a can). I think if you get the right can you will be in business.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: JOHN42355 on February 08, 2011, 08:39:03 PM
YEP , HE WILL BE ALL SET WITH THE RIGHT BOX. I AM SENDING HIM THE PROPER BOX, AS I NOTICED HE BOUGHT IT FROM ME, BUT WHEN HE EXPLAINED HE HAD A DBV200 HEAD SET UP , I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS FOR A IGT SLANT , I THOUGHT IT WAS FOR A BALLY UPRIGHT..LOL ... ANY WAY ONE IS IN THE MAIL..


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 08, 2011, 08:40:54 PM
YEP , HE WILL BE ALL SET WITH THE RIGHT BOX. I AM SENDING HIM THE PROPER BOX, AS I NOTICED HE BOUGHT IT FROM ME, BUT WHEN HE EXPLAINED HE HAD A DBV200 HEAD SET UP , I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS FOR A IGT SLANT... ANY WAY ONE IS IN THE MAIL..

Great.  :244-


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 08:57:01 PM
Thank you, Thank you.  I will send a update when I get the product and install it.   :244-  Thanks Rudysdeals.com


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: JOHN42355 on February 08, 2011, 09:01:01 PM
JUST THINK!!! :103- BY SATURDAY YOU WILL BE PUTTING THOSE HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL'S IN YOU MACHINE... :208- LOL


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: Jim on February 08, 2011, 09:06:25 PM
I thought this was a dead issue after posts #21 and #23.  poppo posted the picture of the correct cash can, and then provided a link with another picture of the right cash can.

For future reference:  that cash can is used in all DBV-145 and DBV- 200, IGT slant tops and upright machines. the WBA series uses one similar, however they are not interchangeable. the outer housing can be used for the dbv's and wba's,(the housing with the door). the inner housing is specific to the unit, however it fits in the same outer housing. the power supplies, which mount to the outer housing, the black covered one with vents can be used for either 145's or 200's. the wba series uses a power supply ( which fits in the same area) that is specific to itself.

Jim    


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 08, 2011, 09:17:28 PM
Can't wait!    :61-


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 11, 2011, 06:10:38 PM
I got the right box  :244-.  It was as pictured earlier.  Thank you!  The system is now in sync with a couple minor faults.  This now brings up a couple questions.  The BV takes large and small bills with no problem.  However, the hopper pays out the coins but I need the machine to give credits instead.  I've read other posts and I think its a DIP switch on the Mother board.  I think..!  I'm wondering how to make the bills turn to credits.  I'm also having issues with the BV face plate.  It doesn't light up at all.  It's connected.  I've also tried swapping it with another and still nothing.  Is there any way to have this corrected?


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: knagl on February 11, 2011, 06:22:55 PM
The quick and dirty way to get bills to credits instead of paying out from the hopper is to press the "Cash/Credit" (or "Cash Out") button once before you insert a bill.

The "correct" and more permanent way to fix it to force all bills to credits is dependent on the SP chip in your machine.  Older chips use the DIP switches to make that change, newer SP chips use a setting in the self test menus.  What SP chip do you have in your game?

(If you don't know, here are directions on how to determine which chips you have: http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm )


As far as the bezel (the faceplate), first are you sure that it's good?  I know you tried two of them and that would point to something else, but at the same time, if they're broken then no amount of fixing or troubleshooting wiring will make them work.   Second, trace those orange wires that plug into it (I think they're orange, anyway) all the way back to wherever they go to make sure they're not cut somewhere.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 11, 2011, 06:33:24 PM
SS7851

Not sure the bezels work.  I'll check em out


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 11, 2011, 07:02:49 PM
SS7851

We need to know the other chip, The SP one.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 11, 2011, 09:09:57 PM
I'm also having issues with the BV face plate.  It doesn't light up at all.  It's connected.  I've also tried swapping it with another and still nothing.  Is there any way to have this corrected?

Ok, there is not much to this. Assuming your bezel (and lamps) is good, just check the wiring between the circled connector on the transport assy below and the bezel. The bezel also needs 7vac as shown in the schematic.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 11, 2011, 10:51:49 PM
SP0932

Working on the bezel now.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: knagl on February 11, 2011, 11:59:03 PM
Careful!  The slant top bezel is different from the upright machine -- is uses LEDs that I'm guessing don't use the same voltage (and maybe even not AC).  I don't want you to get smoke.

 :98- :98- :98-

I think your best bet would be to wait until a slant top owner can chime in.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 12:11:37 AM
Thanks.  I think there is sumthing with these Bezels.  It has the 2 wires that fit into the 14 female connector.  This connection fits snug into the BV.  There is a 2 pin (male) connection that comes from the Bezel and goes no where.  The pictures I saw before didn't have any room for the extra two pin male connection.  I tested the wires and they all work properly. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 12:12:17 AM
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Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 12:12:46 AM
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Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 12:17:51 AM
So I got the cash can pictured earlier in this thread.  It fits nice except now the handle doesn't let the door close at all.  I have a inch to 2 inches to go to close the BV door.  I used tape to keep the cherry switch pushed down. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 12:29:43 AM
Thanks.  I think there is sumthing with these Bezels.  It has the 2 wires that fit into the 14 female connector.  This connection fits snug into the BV.  There is a 2 pin (male) connection that comes from the Bezel and goes no where.  The pictures I saw before didn't have any room for the extra two pin male connection.  I tested the wires and they all work properly. 


Those two wires that go into the 14 pin conector are the enable lines. I would assume the disconnected 2 pin connector from the bezel is the power. As noted above it may not be 7vac. But look around for a mating connector burried in a wire bundle somewhere nearby. Or you may be missing the cable all together.



Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 01:15:42 AM
Yeah.  No wire bundles that look like they would fit. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: Foster on February 12, 2011, 01:59:49 AM
Every schematic I looked at shows that the voltage is 24VAC which is unusual because the Upright BV bezel uses the 7-8VAC and ground to power the two #86 bulbs


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 02:04:34 AM
Every schematic I looked at shows that the voltage is 24VAC which is unusual because the Upright BV bezel uses the 7-8VAC and ground to power the two #86 bulbs


Does it show where the power is coming from? That way he can look and see if there is a cable connected to the source.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: Jim on February 12, 2011, 02:42:07 AM
Foster is correct, its 24vac, the lamps are leds, there are eight leds that lite up the insert bills portion and three leds that lite up the area where the money is inserted.
the power comes from J-8 on the mother board pins 5 and 6   orange wire and a orange / green stripe.

on your picture #1 there are several two wire cables, see if any have that color code.  especially the one that appears to disappear under the latch assembly.

you need a cash box with the handle on top   see picture

also see picture of led board.

Jim


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 03:47:51 PM
Ok.  So I do have the right bezel then.  Im going to find the wire bundle (orange, orange/green).


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 05:05:59 PM
Ok.  So I do have the right bezel then.  Im going to find the wire bundle (orange, orange/green).

I would start here and see what is there. The wires may be cut. If not, just follow them and see where they go. Keep in mind the motherboard is the board the MPU plugs into.

"the power comes from J-8 on the mother board pins 5 and 6"


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
I found the colors of the wires in the top box.  The colors match perfectly.  The plug ins are different.  I can cut em to fit but I don't know if I should do that.  orange and orange/green come from the bezel as a 2 prong male.  The orange and orange/green female plug comes from the top box except that this plug also has a red and green attached which makes it a 4 prong plug.  Should I cut it to fit?


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 05:45:20 PM
I found the colors of the wires in the top box.  The colors match perfectly.  The plug ins are different.  I can cut em to fit but I don't know if I should do that.  orange and orange/green come from the bezel as a 2 prong male.  The orange and orange/green female plug comes from the top box except that this plug also has a red and green attached which makes it a 4 prong plug.  Should I cut it to fit?

At a minimum I would measure the voltage. There may very well be other wires with the same colors. Again, I would start at the motherboard and trace out the correct wires.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 06:33:01 PM
Foster is correct, its 24vac, the lamps are leds, there are eight leds that lite up the insert bills portion and three leds that lite up the area where the money is inserted.
the power comes from J-8 on the mother board pins 5 and 6   orange wire and a orange / green stripe.

on your picture #1 there are several two wire cables, see if any have that color code.  especially the one that appears to disappear under the latch assembly.

you need a cash box with the handle on top   see picture

also see picture of led board.

Jim

I found out that the orange wiire holds 12 VAC and the orange/green wire holds 12 VAC...  So I'm guessing thats where the 24 comes from.  I don't know much about electricity.  I have a multimeter and a D- in Electronics.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 06:40:06 PM
I found out that the orange wiire holds 12 VAC and the orange/green wire holds 12 VAC...  So I'm guessing thats where the 24 comes from.  I don't know much about electricity.  I have a multimeter and a D- in Electronics.

How are you measuring it? Each wire to ground or across the two? Measure across them (one lead on each wire). If you measure 24vac, then you are probably good to go.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 07:20:59 PM
I measured across the two wires and got 24V. I followed the wires back and I think they are in the correct spot. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 07:23:28 PM
I'm also still trying to get the cash to go to credits.   :279-


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 07:27:04 PM
I measured across the two wires and got 24V. I followed the wires back and I think they are in the correct spot.  

Then hook them up.

Disclaimer: Not responsible for  :98-


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 07:39:58 PM
I'm also still trying to get the cash to go to credits.   :279-

Are the bills just getting paid out of the hopper when you insert them? Someone with the PSR for your game will have to chime in with the setting for that. It's an easy fix.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 07:49:46 PM
I'm gunna hook em up!!!  The hopper is paying out the cash deposited.  ie. $1.00 turns to 20 nickels.  I want 20 credits.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 08:00:45 PM
I'm gunna hook em up!!!  The hopper is paying out the cash deposited.  ie. $1.00 turns to 20 nickels.  I want 20 credits.

Someone with the right PSR will need to help, but normally it is done with page 0 option 8. You want 8_1

Bill Acceptor Pay Mode <0> [8]   The bill acceptor must be enabled with the set chip to change this option.  Options are pay coins from the hopper {2}, convert bills to credits {1}, or follow the player-initiated credit {0}.  If set to follow the player-initiated credit, bills are converted to credits if the player has selected the credit mode, or paid from the hopper if the player has selected the noncredit mode.

Be sure there are no credits on the machine first.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 08:27:27 PM
Do I need to insert the set chip again and then use the option 8_1?  I used the set chip for the bv a few days ago when I first put everything together. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
Do I need to insert the set chip again and then use the option 8_1?  I used the set chip for the bv a few days ago when I first put everything together.  

No. You do it through the self test. 0 in coins played 8_x in win meter. Spin button to change to 8_1

Typically you press the self test button 3 times and you should have a 0 in the coins played, and 5_x in win meter. Then turn the reset key until you get 8_x in the win meter. After changing it to 8_1, press the self test button a few times and close the door.

Note: 'x' may vary depending on your curent setting and will be a number.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 09:00:18 PM
Okay.  Done.  I tried leaving the cashout option on then entered a dollar.  No luck.  Then I tried leaving the cashout option off then entered a dollar.  No luck.  I guess I'm going to have to wait for another option. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 09:12:33 PM
Okay.  Done.  I tried leaving the cashout option on then entered a dollar.  No luck.  Then I tried leaving the cashout option off then entered a dollar.  No luck.  I guess I'm going to have to wait for another option.  

Did it let you change that option to 8_1? Go back in and see if it is still set that way. That is the bill to credit option. One PSR with a close number to yours says DIP switch 4 needs to be off on the MPU:

Bill Acceptor
Pay Mode <0> [8] This option can be changed only if DIP switch 4 is off. Changes to this option are ignored when the credit type is noncredit. The options are to pay coins from the hopper (2), to convert bills to credits (1), or to follow the player-initiated credit (0). If set to follow the player initiated credit, bills are converted to credits if the player has selected the credit mode, or paid from the hopper if the player has selected the noncredit mode.

When you pressed that self test button 3 times, and got 5_x, set it to 5_0 to put it in credit mode only. Again, make sure you are doing this with no credits on the machine.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 09:25:27 PM
There are no credits.  I think DIP 4 is on.  Let me try that real quick.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: knagl on February 12, 2011, 09:29:30 PM
DIP 4 must be off.  I've attached the PSR for your game to this post.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 09:38:18 PM
I set it to 5_0.  The 8_1 was still there.  DIP 4 is off.  The money is being turned into coins still.  This 5_0 did fix something I wanted to fix.  This option made my winning credits appear as credits instead of paying me from hopper.  B4 I would have to push cashout button before I put money in to keep the credits coming.  Then after a minute of no play and no credits the button light would go off and then I'd be paid in coins again.  Thanks for that fix.  The money is still turning into coins.   


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 10:33:57 PM
DIP 4 is off.     

Was it already off? If so, just for giggles, flip it the other way. I have a few boards where the switches look opposite than what they are set to. In other words the switches look like they are on when they are actually off. And just to clarify, this is on the MPU not the BV unit.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 11:03:33 PM
MPU DIP 4 was on.  I turned it off.  DIP 1,2,3 are on.  The rest are off.  BV:  I haven't touched.  I think all are off.  I just tried several settings 8_1, 8_0, 5_0, 5_1, 5_2.  I try a bill with Cashout on.  I try a bill with Cashout off.  Nothing seems to do the trick.  I've read over the SP2932 pages and can't seem to get it right.  Everything else is working beautifully. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 11:13:00 PM
Ok, a shot in the dark. Use the self test to verify the dip switch settings Page 6 of the PSR. Just to make sure you don't have a bad switch.

DIP Switch Configuration Display

If that is good, then go back one more time and check 8_1.

If that doesn't do it, I'm :103-



Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 12, 2011, 11:43:37 PM
MPU DIP 4 was on.  I turned it off.  DIP 1,2,3 are on.  The rest are off.  BV:  I haven't touched.  I think all are off.  I just tried several settings 8_1, 8_0, 5_0, 5_1, 5_2.  I try a bill with Cashout on.  I try a bill with Cashout off.  Nothing seems to do the trick.  I've read over the SP2932 pages and can't seem to get it right.  Everything else is working beautifully. 

I lied DIP 1234 are now off.... I made the mistake of saying they are on.  8_1 is activated. I'm not positive if I'm seeing the DIP switch config Display.  These slant tops seem to have the windows mixed up.  ie. Credits appear where the winner paid window is and vice versa.
To be clear I open up the machine, drop the display window down and use the white button for self test mode.  Then to make changes I use the bet one, spin reels, and max bet buttons to navigate back and forth and the move through self test mode.  I also use the white button to progress through the self test.  When I make changes I double check that they are correct by exiting out of self test and then reentering and see if the changes have been made.  The changes usually are made. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 12, 2011, 11:53:28 PM
Ok, to be clear, have you tried DIP switch 4 in both positions? That is why I wanted to use the self test to see what the MPU says they are set at.

If you are unsure about which window is displaying what, you can look at the DIP switch display and note what it says. Then flip MPU switch #8 since it is not used. Then go and look at the DIP switch display again and see which digit has changed. Now knowing that, you can be sure of what #4 is being read as since it will be the last digit in the oposite window.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 13, 2011, 12:19:49 AM
So I tried the 4DIP on and off in these settings.  I changed the 8DIP and if I'm reading the display's right they are all (1) On.  Which doesn't make sense.  I don't think I'm in the right self test to see the DIP settings.  This display doesn't correspond with what documents say.  

I'm going to my other machine to see if I can get some info from it.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 13, 2011, 12:23:05 AM
if I'm reading the display's right they are all (1) On.  Which doesn't make sense.  

Unless the switches are bad. Or as you said, you are reading something wrong.

Ok, press the self test button 3 times. You should have 0 on the coins paid and 5_x on one of the dispays. Turn the reset key until you get 34_x, then again you will get 39_x, then again you will get 50_x (this is the order shown in the PSR). Then one more turn will give you the dip switch settings. The displays will read something like 1110 1000


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 13, 2011, 12:36:18 AM
Holy COW.  I did that.  I got 1111 on the top line.  0000 on the bottom line.  That means DIP 1,2,3,4 are all on and 5,6,7,8 are off..?  Let me flip the Dip 4 and the Dip 8 now. 


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 13, 2011, 12:39:54 AM
Now its 1,1,1,0 on the top line and 0,0,0,1 on the bottom line.  Which means to me that DIP 1,2,3 are on, DIP 4 is off, DIP 5,6,7 is off, and DIP 8 is off..?


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 13, 2011, 12:57:10 AM
Now its 1,1,1,0 on the top line and 0,0,0,1 on the bottom line.  Which means to me that DIP 1,2,3 are on, DIP 4 is off, DIP 5,6,7 is off, and DIP 8 is off..?

Well, it should. But I would have only flipped # 8 so you would have known for sure which display was showing 1-4 and which 5-8 and known for sure which way the switch needs to be for on and off. As I mentioned earlier, some look backward.

But yes, either way, it is indicating the switches are flipping.

Now if it still does not work, go back and do do these steps again.

Press the self test button 3 times. You should have 0 on the coins paid and 5_x on one of the displays. Turn the reset key and you should get 6_x, next turn will give you 7_x, and then the next one 8_x which is the one you want to change to 8_1 in case you were in the wrong place.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 13, 2011, 12:58:23 AM
 :244- :3-  I got it to work.  My problem was that I wasn't going through the <0> by using the reset key.......  :25- :30- :279-  SORRY!  Thanks for sticking with me Poppo!   :3- :3- :3-  

Now my only problem is the cash box.  I think I'm going to cut the handle off and make it fit.  Custom cashbox!


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: poppo on February 13, 2011, 01:05:03 AM
Now my only problem is the cash box.  I think I'm going to cut the handle off and make it fit.  Custom cashbox!

Glad you got it working.  :71-

Be sure to leave a way to pull the cash box out without a handle.


Title: Re: DBV 200 IGT Slant Top issues... Please help.
Post by: motom67 on February 13, 2011, 01:17:00 AM
Thank you all!  I'm going to be a IGT S+ Slant Top expert soon.  Love this website.