Lost my Bill Validator...(RESOLVED!!!)

[Yoeddy1]

So I was changing games today, and went through a clear/keychip procedure just like I've done in the past.  I have an MEI SC 6602 DBV in my machine that is currently not lit up.  If I look inside I can see the green light blinking as it always does, but the bill entrance light is not lit up.  If I open the door the MEI has a button that can be pressed.  If I press and let off the button after a couple of seconds, then I get a green and yellow light.  If I do it again, I get the green and red light which turns on the bill entrance lights.  I'm assuming this is just a diagnostic button.  Anyway, once it goes back to a green flashing light, I close the door and the game goes to ready.  I can drop coins in and play it fine.  I checked menus and the DBV is enabled.  

Any help would be appreciated.  When I power it on, the DBV grunts and makes the usual sounds...the entrance light just never comes on and it wont take bills.

Thanks,
Jason

[poppo]

I know nothing about those games, but does it have to have a denomination set like on a S+ or it won't work even if the BV is enabled?

[StatFreak]

So I was changing games today, ...
Thanks,
Jason

...
I can relax now.  

Thanks,
Jason

For the next 15 minutes, at least.    
...

...and, they're off and running!  

Hey, Jason. Ya' know I'm just kidding with ya'.  
 

[Yoeddy1]

Yeah, I know Stat...all good man! 

I threw another game in running a clear/key procedure...same deal.  Downloaded the manual...error code section says:

LED Indicators Status You Need to:

Green solid:
Normal, Take no action

1 Flash Green:
Disabled by machine interface, Fix the machine condition (e.g. fill the coin hopper)

2 Flash Green:
Disabled by network interface (if applicable), Correct the network condition

What I don't understand, is that there isn't an error code being thrown up on the machine.  The DBV is flashing per 1 above, but there isn't a condition to fix.

Grrrrrr.  Any ideas?

Jason

[Foster]

Did you set the BV limit under Machine Options Limits?

[Yoeddy1]

Did you set the BV limit under Machine Options Limits?

Yep.  Set to 1000.00.  Usually don't even have to mess with that when a clear/key is performed.

[TZtech]

Yo 

Dont recall if there is a clear BV CRC mismatch option in the S2000 menu tree. You can also try disabling the BV from the menu and then enabling it again.

Ian

[Yoeddy1]

Just finished up...it's kaput.  Resets galore, went from flashing green light, to 3 lights on solid (hardware failure) and now no lights or noises at all.  Good news is that the game still plays fine and is working.  Checking with my dealer for a replacement.

Thanks guys,
Jason

[a69mopar]

I take it you checked the harness connectors and wires.  It does sound like a BV hardware error though since the machine doesn't see an error.


Thanks,
Wayne

[stayouttadabunker]

                                       
                                          R.I.P.

You were a good bill validator during your lifetime and you served us well.
You worked all those years through thick and thin and nicotine and cigar smoke.
They never gave you a day off and whipped you like a dog.
It's sad for now it's time to say good bye.
Please let us all bow our heads and give Yoeddy's DBV a moment of silence.

[Yoeddy1]

Now comes the 65 million dollar question...

I'm trying to get a replacement through my dealer.  Do I need to replace it with the same model?  It looks like the assembly comes out pretty easy.  What do these things roughly run price wise?  Suggestions?

Jason

[brichter]

Checking with my dealer for a replacement.

I'm trying to get a replacement through my dealer.

Slot junkie on the loose and can't get a fix...  

 

[Yoeddy1]

Checking with my dealer for a replacement.

I'm trying to get a replacement through my dealer.

Slot junkie on the loose and can't get a fix... 

 

Yeah Bill, I'm getting theh shakes big time!!!

[Yoeddy1]

Ok, here's the deal.  I have the MEI out of the machine now.  Below are some photos.  I need to get this resolved.  I'm not 100% that the bill head is the problem, but I'm pretty sure that the unit that the unit that the bill head clips into with the pigtails coming out of the back is screwed.  Some of the contacts are bent up and one is actually broken.  Oh well.  That said, one member contacted me and mentioned that he has this exact model but it is programmed for a 'WMS' style of communication (RS232).  He said that I would need Netplex programmed into it for it to work in the S2000, but that he doesn't have the program or firmware that I would need to do that.  It may just be on a PLCC (square) chip that you can remove from your old unit and install in this one.

I took a picture of the bill head with the cover off exposing the PLCC chip that he mentioned.  Anybody know if swapping chips would be all that needs to be done to go from WMS to S2000?

Below are the photos of the the pigtail/connectors that come out of the MEI unit and one of the connectors in the machine that go into the MEI unit.

The others are photos of the bill head cash box, etc.  If anybody has any suggestions, or has the parts, let me know. 

[Yoeddy1]

Photos of bill head.

[Yoeddy1]

Photos of housing/unit that bill head plugs into:

[Yoeddy1]

Group photo:

[Yoeddy1]

I also uploaded the MEI SC66 service manual at the following link in case anybody has any additional insight:

http://rapidshare.com/files/445240339/SC66_Operation_and_Mantenace_Manual.PDF

[Yoeddy1]

Another member also mentioned that he has a complete wba set up for the S2000 which includes outer and inner chassis, head, bezel, transport and cash can.  Will this even work with my current set up per the connectors in the photos that I have in my machine, or am I limited to MEI?  What would I need to know?

Ok, I'll shut up now...hopefully I can fix this one.  Again, thank goodness my machine still works fine with coins. 

Thanks guys,
Jason

[poppo]

Tha manual makes it sound like replacing the chip is all that is needed. Actually it says that once it is removed, from the unit, that its the only way to update the firmware.

"Note: Once you remove the programmed PROM(perform a chip change),the bill acceptor can no
longer be programmed by the PPM. Once a PROM is inserted or removed, the bill acceptor
disables the ability for the PPM to communicate with the bill acceptor. Future software changes
can only be made by replacing the PROM (chip change)."

Did you already remove the chip? The socket looks empty.

[Yoeddy1]

Tha manual makes it sound like replacing the chip is all that is needed. Actually it says that once it is removed, from the unit, that its the only way to update the firmware.

"Note: Once you remove the programmed PROM(perform a chip change),the bill acceptor can no
longer be programmed by the PPM. Once a PROM is inserted or removed, the bill acceptor
disables the ability for the PPM to communicate with the bill acceptor. Future software changes
can only be made by replacing the PROM (chip change)."

Did you already remove the chip? The socket looks empty.

No, that's how the setup has always been and the manual doesn't really show anything different from mine.  Is the tiny square in the middle the chip maybe?  To be honest, I'm not even sure mines screwed up.  I might be able to put this head on a replacement transport if I can get it.  Maybe it would work.

Jason

[Foster]

Other than the spade type connectors everything looks ok.
I wonder where those spade connectors go?
they go to cash box switch and can go to tracking system.
Found the answer in the manual, are they used on your machine?


Do you have another machine you could temporarily setup the MEI in? Do not remove the BV in the test machine.
if you need room in second machine just remove hopper and maybe black coin chute, so it can set next to the one in place.
IF you know how to do the optics bypass then you test the MEI in another machine, without having to do major surgery on the second machine.
you might have to clear a tilt or two and re-detect Netplex devices.



I wonder if the bezel is the same for MEI and JCM, reason I say that the bill entry for the MEI is definitely different than the WBA.

[Buzz]

Hasn't it struck anyone that it's kind of strange the BV goes out at exactly the same time a game kit was changed?  Jason have you checked the pins on the main board to see if one are more got bent ?? Have you checked the Net Plex connections to the mother board ??

[Yoeddy1]

Hasn't it struck anyone that it's kind of strange the BV goes out at exactly the same time a game kit was changed?  Jason have you checked the pins on the main board to see if one are more got bent ?? Have you checked the Net Plex connections to the mother board ??

Yep, yep, and yep.  Like I said, I noticed that the leaf spring like contacts on the DBV transport are bent up...one's broken for sure.  How it happened, not sure.  Plus, there is zilch power or motor noises coming from the unit at all now, and with the light patterns changing, and now nothing, I suspect hardware failure.  The S2000 never threw a code and it's still playable.  I just took the MEI hardware out of it.  The prices that are being offered up for new hardware from various members is fair...just not sure what I should get.

Jason

[Buzz]

Where does the BV get it's power ??????????