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« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2012, 12:26:42 PM »
Sorry about the photo. I looked but im not sure i can find what your asking. Heres the linc for the manual in .pdf
http://slot-tech.com/interesting_stuff/sigma/All_Docs/Manuals/UV17CD19.pdf
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« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2012, 01:00:18 PM »
Quote from: IGTfanman777 on May 28, 2012, 12:26:42 PM
Sorry about the photo. I looked but im not sure i can find what your asking. Heres the linc for the manual in .pdf
http://slot-tech.com/interesting_stuff/sigma/All_Docs/Manuals/UV17CD19.pdf


Thanks for the link.  Now I can read the image much better so I can try to find the comm board connections.  I sent you a pm to look at something for me as I can't find it on the manual file. 
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« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2012, 01:02:29 PM »
Didnt get pm. Send again.
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« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2012, 01:05:40 PM »
You beat me to it.  lol.  I was just typing it when you replied.
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« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2012, 02:30:25 PM »
ok from pm discussion heres photos. i couldnt send in pm it seems.

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« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2012, 02:32:02 PM »
shit! sorry about sideways photo again. ive done that before. need to check them before i send.
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« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2012, 02:57:19 PM »
The bottom pic is where it would have been, but I see a connector on the top one that looks like a serial port.  Where in the machine is that located?
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« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2012, 03:02:44 PM »
Thats the SIB board
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« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2012, 03:14:25 PM »
On the sib board is there a connector labeled cn2?  That is the one I need to find on the sib board.
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« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2012, 03:24:09 PM »
yep! its labeled on the port. its also labeled 'debug port'
hope that helps.
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« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2012, 07:58:58 PM »
Found this on the same site where IGTFanMan found the manual - May shed some more light on the SIB board - http://slot-tech.com/interesting_stuff/sigma/All_Docs/EIBs/1998/98019.pdf
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« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2012, 08:06:09 PM »
Quote from: TZtech on May 28, 2012, 07:58:58 PM
Found this on the same site where IGTFanMan found the manual - May shed some more light on the SIB board - http://slot-tech.com/interesting_stuff/sigma/All_Docs/EIBs/1998/98019.pdf

Great find.  It confirms if the right version is there it supports SAS
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« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2012, 08:16:50 PM »
Yep - And the comms pinouts. Seems you have RS232 and TTL - But it seems like only metering available via SAS. Never worked on one of these before but may be running into a few sometimes next month.
Good to know there are some NLG members familiar with the platform.
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« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2012, 02:10:52 PM »
Foster, do you have any information on the algorythm for the CRC coding from the machine, or do you know if it can just be dropped off the data when it comes in?
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« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2012, 02:29:48 PM »
This May help - http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=13799.0
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« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2012, 07:40:33 PM »
Quote from: TZtech on June 01, 2012, 02:29:48 PM
This May help - http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=13799.0


Thanks TZtech.  That helps a ton.  It was exactly what I needed.
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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2012, 05:28:57 AM »
hello, i thought i would comment my thoughts...jejej....i love the idea of a small microcontroller (master) in one machine, then (slave) units in the other machines for a low cost home TITO system, i also like bhinklys part of explaing 'part' of the protocol associated with ticket redemption....here's a few pointers....
 - dont confuse EFT or AFT with TITO, ticket redemption has nothing to do with EFT or AFT , what happens to the ticket if an EFT credit is issued during ticket redemption? , the ticket will be rejected by the validator, and both transactions will fail (EFT or AFT is not allowed during ticket redemption)
 - if the validation number(bar code on ticket) is generated by the machine its just a serial number, 8 digits for standard validation, 16 digits for enhanced (or secured enhanced) validation, the home TITO system needs the credit amount on the ticket,  the only way to encode the credit amount on the ticket is in the barcode (validation number)  by using 'system' generated validation, in other words, the microcontroller will interogate the machine for the credit amount then encode that number in the 'system' generated validation number printed on the ticket, this eliminates the need for a "back-end" database management system (sql)....
- ok, thats all.....just an idea
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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2012, 10:27:05 PM »
As far as the TITO system, it doesn't have to work completely identical to the ones in the casino behind the scenes, just so it can read and create tickets.  Many of us already have working TITO systems using a PC.  I am basically removing the PC, but using the same technique with a microcontroller.  there will be a memory chip that will be able to store upwards of 60,000 tickets that are generated.  I am not reinventing the wheel, just merely improving the wheel as it may be.   rotflmao 
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« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2012, 11:21:49 PM »
Quote from: tom4100 on June 04, 2012, 05:28:57 AM
hello, i thought i would comment my thoughts...jejej....i love the idea of a small microcontroller (master) in one machine, then (slave) units in the other machines for a low cost home TITO system, i also like bhinklys part of explaing 'part' of the protocol associated with ticket redemption....here's a few pointers....
 - dont confuse EFT or AFT with TITO, ticket redemption has nothing to do with EFT or AFT , what happens to the ticket if an EFT credit is issued during ticket redemption? , the ticket will be rejected by the validator, and both transactions will fail (EFT or AFT is not allowed during ticket redemption)
 - if the validation number(bar code on ticket) is generated by the machine its just a serial number, 8 digits for standard validation, 16 digits for enhanced (or secured enhanced) validation, the home TITO system needs the credit amount on the ticket,  the only way to encode the credit amount on the ticket is in the barcode (validation number)  by using 'system' generated validation, in other words, the microcontroller will interogate the machine for the credit amount then encode that number in the 'system' generated validation number printed on the ticket, this eliminates the need for a "back-end" database management system (sql)....
- ok, thats all.....just an idea

Tom,
Nice to here from you here.
Let me know when you back in the States and I'll buy the  cheers chug cheers Frosty Beer bottles2
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« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2012, 06:02:45 AM »
thanks R, as i am thirsty for some home brew , the part they are not getting is that they dont need to store the ticket data, they dont need a database, just encode the ticket amount in the barcode, believe me this is nothing like a "back-end" casino system, nor am i suggesting the home system be anything close to a "behind the scenes" system i am just suggesting the most efficient way to make this work for a home system...sorry i didnt get in this earlier.....
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« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2012, 09:00:52 AM »
Quote from: tom4100 on June 05, 2012, 06:02:45 AM
thanks R, as i am thirsty for some home brew , the part they are not getting is that they dont need to store the ticket data, they dont need a database, just encode the ticket amount in the barcode, believe me this is nothing like a "back-end" casino system, nor am i suggesting the home system be anything close to a "behind the scenes" system i am just suggesting the most efficient way to make this work for a home system...sorry i didnt get in this earlier.....

Tom,
If I understand your sudgestion, dont use standard 8 digit validation.
Use enhanced vlidation and encode the value in the 16 digits.(first 8 digits) of the bar code.
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« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2012, 09:06:27 AM »
Quote from: Neonkiss on June 05, 2012, 09:00:52 AM
Quote from: tom4100 on June 05, 2012, 06:02:45 AM
thanks R, as i am thirsty for some home brew , the part they are not getting is that they dont need to store the ticket data, they dont need a database, just encode the ticket amount in the barcode, believe me this is nothing like a "back-end" casino system, nor am i suggesting the home system be anything close to a "behind the scenes" system i am just suggesting the most efficient way to make this work for a home system...sorry i didnt get in this earlier.....

Tom,
If I understand your sudgestion, dont use standard 8 digit validation.
Use enhanced vlidation and encode the value in the 16 digits.(first 8 digits) of the bar code.
i dont believe thats correct, you would have to use system validation .

standard---machines creates 8 digit
enhanched-- machine creates 16 digit
system -- the host creates the 16 digit number
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« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2012, 11:07:08 PM »
Progress is a wonderful thing.  I have the circuit designed and am just working to get the code ready to write to the microcontroller.  Then the fun begins of plugging it in and seeing if it works.  It is an extremely small board.  The board itself is approximately 2 inches by 3 inches. 
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« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2012, 01:40:34 AM »
Great

What micro are You using ? How are You communicating between boards?
Good luck with the testing.
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« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2012, 01:46:22 AM »
I am using a PIC16F687 and will be using cat 5 cable between boards when I move to that step.  Right now I am focusing on just getting it to work on one machine before I start trying to build in the networking aspect
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