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Title: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on October 24, 2009, 09:11:48 PM Greetings, all.
A friend of mine bought a bunch of machines that had a Mikohn "MoneyTime" linked progressive when they were in the casinos (discussed previously, here (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4612.0)). Each machine had a Supreme inside of it, with a 12-cell by 2-cell display. Here is the whole setup that we pulled from one of the machines: (http://i37.tinypic.com/2wq7m86.jpg) (http://i35.tinypic.com/2zdot8o.jpg) (Click on the photo for a bigger image) From my limited Mikohn knowledge, the "extra" square board pictured between the main Supreme board and the display isn't needed, right? (I'm assuming it had something to do with the MoneyTime link.) Also, there is no U3 chip on either board (the square board or the main board). Am I correct that the 40-pin chip that goes into U3 on the main board contains the main software for the controller? Right now when plugged in, we get a couple of LEDs on the main board, and the display board has one red LED on the back that seems to indicate it's getting power. Nothing shows up on the display, which I'm hoping is because we're missing U3 chip. Does anyone know what kind/size chip that U3 is, and can confirm that I really do need that to do anything with this? Also, once I have that chip, how do I communicate with the controller to program anything in them? (We'd like to program text and/or graphics -- no need for progressive functions, though.) Thanks in advance! Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: jay on October 24, 2009, 09:16:24 PM You would use the MIKOHN downloader software..... and a PC with a serial cable to feed the supreme controller.
This will get you text and graphics but no progressive function. For that you would need the CON2. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: StatFreak on October 25, 2009, 01:55:25 AM Jay, what is needed in U3?
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 25, 2009, 02:57:20 AM That's the actual software that drives the display.
<edit> Here's a picture for clarity: Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 25, 2009, 03:00:59 AM Mikohn Logic Board;
Problem; Display Blackout. Solution; Repl. U8 Problem; Blackout. Solution; Repl. U9 (HA1835). Problem; Display zizzing & dripping (flipping from C3 to lines or solid lights) Solution; Repl. U3 (RAM). 40-pin Random Access Memory chip? ADD>>> oh, okay...a CSM/V2.10 U3 cs 1883 chip...readily available? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 25, 2009, 03:15:54 AM It will not function without the software. I imagine the functionality would be different if the chip was there and defective...
Here's a screenshot of the hardware diagram from the manual showing U3 as an EPROM, and the RAM as U5 and U6: Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 25, 2009, 03:20:06 AM Looks like a
ADMIN NOTE: Changed Part Number Above. CH :95- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: CaptainHappy on October 25, 2009, 04:34:06 AM Looks like a Bunker, Zooming :209- did not work for you this time! :97- In your defense, it was hard to zoom clearly as I wanted to check if my numbers I wrote down were wrong after seeing your post! I wrote this information down from my supreme earlier and forgot to post it... CSM/V2.10 (c)96 Mikohn U3 cs 1883 The device is actually a M27C4096-120DC (Same as M27C4002 This is the Base Chip used by IGT for S2000 SB... and GameKing I... or M... Base Chips.) It is a 16 BIT 40 Pin Eprom, and most programmers require an adapter to read and program them. I am sure that these Mikohn CHIPS are readily available if you need to find them. :89- :89- :89- CaptainHappy :95- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 25, 2009, 05:03:43 AM Adapter? It's a DIP package, so should be supported by most burners. I guess if you have less than 40 pins on the original socket, an adapter may be necessary.
It is indeed a 27C4096/4002. Sorry the original pic was not big enough to read the P/N, I didn't check. After I posted, I couldn't read it either! :25- :208- I made it a little bigger for us old pharts. :72- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: CaptainHappy on October 25, 2009, 05:27:24 AM Adapter? It's a DIP package, so should be supported by most burners. I guess if you have less than 40 pins on the original socket, an adapter may be necessary. It is indeed a 27C4096/4002. Sorry the original pic was not big enough to read the P/N, I didn't check. After I posted, I couldn't read it either! :25- :208- I made it a little bigger for us old pharts. :72- Bill, The reason that I mention adapter is that it depends on your programmer. The issue is not the 40 pin issue, but more that these eproms are 16BIT vs the normal 8BIT eproms. Most of the hobbyist programmers do not burn the 16BITt chips without a adapter like a daughter card. If you have a pricier programmer then it probably works out of the gate! I use the GQ4X which is decent, but I have to use an adapter for these style chips. Mark :95- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 25, 2009, 05:34:44 AM Ahh, ok, that makes sense. Mine does those natively, but it cost $$, even though it was an open box special from (French) Fries.
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on October 25, 2009, 08:56:52 AM K+ to all and thanks for the info -- this puts us on the right track. :3-
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: kenokarz on October 25, 2009, 12:29:13 PM will it work on a chipmax without the adapter ??? mine will take the 40 pin chip
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 25, 2009, 01:00:32 PM will it work on a chipmax without the adapter ??? mine will take the 40 pin chip If your Chipmax takes 40-pins, it should! but these chips are 41-pins... (just kidding ya keno... :96-) hey ch, thank you for the chip correction! (...man, I think I need glasses now.) Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 25, 2009, 04:19:37 PM will it work on a chipmax without the adapter ??? mine will take the 40 pin chip The below is from Chipmax software v3.1k. Looks like you're good to go: Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: CaptainHappy on October 25, 2009, 06:24:40 PM will it work on a chipmax without the adapter ??? mine will take the 40 pin chip The below is from Chipmax software v3.1k. Looks like you're good to go: Bill, Now that picture was really big! :208- :208- :208- Kenokarz, You should be fine as that is the same chip for S2000, GK, IG+ Key and Base chips that you probably backup. CH :95- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: CaptainHappy on October 25, 2009, 06:27:29 PM Kevin,
I am curious about what this is: :209- :209- :209- "From my limited Mikohn knowledge, the "extra" square board pictured between the main Supreme board and the display isn't needed, right? (I'm assuming it had something to do with the MoneyTime link.)" Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label.... CH :95- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: kenokarz on October 25, 2009, 07:51:12 PM yes back-up only, :25- this way if insert one backwards i can remake the chip :58-
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: edski on October 25, 2009, 10:02:47 PM Kevin, I am curious about what this is: :209- :209- :209- "From my limited Mikohn knowledge, the "extra" square board pictured between the main Supreme board and the display isn't needed, right? (I'm assuming it had something to do with the MoneyTime link.)" Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label.... CH :95- Me too! Need to see where all the wiring connects to the supreme and the machine. Ed Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on October 26, 2009, 01:34:16 AM Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label.... Will do -- it'll be late Monday night before I have access to the pictures again (on a different computer), but I'll post as soon as I can. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 26, 2009, 01:53:05 AM Well, For those of you that needed to see this in a larger than life-like form....
uh,...here it is again>>> Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 26, 2009, 01:54:11 AM :72- That didn't work... :96-
Just click on it to bring it out larger... Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 26, 2009, 03:29:06 AM So, the supreme doesn't connect to the slot machine, it connects to a display (several different sizes are available) and a controller if you want to use it as a progressive display. The controller will hook up to the slot, and the hookup varies depending on the machine and the controller.
In standalone mode, it can provide text and graphics. Here's what it looks like when interfaced with a CON2I and hooked up to a 1x3 display (note: the CON2I is providing all text and progressive info. Depending on the size of the display you attach to it, you can do graphics and animations also): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDnJKUOWTZI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDnJKUOWTZI) I need to get off my dead butt and post the videos of my 2x3 display. :5- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on October 26, 2009, 04:12:15 PM Can anyone confirm for me that I would use the same serial cable I use for connecting my ChamII+ to PSP (a cable with pins 2, 3, and 5 straight through, with 1 and 5 jumpered on the Mikohn end) with this Supreme?
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on October 26, 2009, 04:18:48 PM So, the supreme doesn't connect to the slot machine, it connects to a display (several different sizes are available) and a controller if you want to use it as a progressive display. In standalone mode, it can provide text and graphics. ...and that's all we're hoping to do with the thing -- no progressive functions (yet) (we don't have a controller, anyway). If the one in your video is a 1x3, is the one I posted on the first post of this thread a 1x1? Also, I've seen some other pictures of the supreme boards and they have stickers on them indicating 1x2 or 1x3 -- is that a function of the board or the software on it? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 26, 2009, 04:31:51 PM 1x1 means there's only one display panel...
1x2 means there's two panels in a row... 1x3 means there's three panels in a row...etc. But, a 2x3 means there's three panels in a row and stacked two panels high. (For a total of 6 display panels.) The sticker on the eprom is telling you how many panels you should have for the board.(Yes, it's the software) Attaching 1 single panel to a board that has a 1x3 software eprom will look funny... You'll only display a third of whatever you program to the board. For example: [ONE PANEL] [2nd PANEL] [3rd PANEL] TICO NDER OGA! But, It might work if you use the "scroll" when programming the board? [ONE PANEL] TICONDEROGA! Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 27, 2009, 01:37:59 AM The length x width is determined by the graphics you send to it. The video I posted is a 1x3 display connected to my 1x2 controller, and I can display 1x3 graphics without issues.
I can also use my 1x2 controller with my 2x3 display and it works fine. I can hook my 2x3 display to my 1x3 display and have a 3x3 display, but I have no graphics files formatted in that size. I also have a 1x3 controller and the amount of storage memory is the same for both. I think yours is a 1x1 because it only looks like it has a single power cable (the red and black wires) going to it. If you post a pic of the back, I'd be certain what it is. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on October 27, 2009, 05:44:57 AM Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label.... Here's a picture of the board. The small white label above C14 and U15 says, "SIGMATRON-LV 0498". The etching on the board above U3 (which is missing its chip) says, "SMART MACHINE INTERFACE VERSION II Rev. A" and "#321-024-10". (http://i34.tinypic.com/2usbcsn_th.jpg) (http://i34.tinypic.com/2usbcsn.jpg) (Click for bigger.) (A quick Google of Sigmatron found the following: "SigmaTron International, Inc. (NASDAQ:SGMA) announced it completed the sale of its Las Vegas, Nevada operation on June 3, 2005 to Grand Products Nevada, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Grand Products, Inc. The facility is a complete EMS center specializing in the assembly of electronic products and cables for a broad range of customers primarily in the gaming industry.") Also, see http://www.grandproductsinc.com/ . If you post a pic of the back, I'd be certain what it is. Here you go: (http://i35.tinypic.com/ehn2np_th.jpg) (http://i35.tinypic.com/ehn2np.jpg) (Click for bigger -- only one power plug port.) Do you know of any 1x1 graphics floating around? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 27, 2009, 06:04:11 AM Unfortunately, no. 1x2 is the smallest I've seen.
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: CaptainHappy on October 27, 2009, 06:08:02 AM Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label.... Here's a picture of the board. The small white label above C14 and U15 says, "SIGMATRON-LV 0498". The etching on the board above U3 (which is missing its chip) says, "SMART MACHINE INTERFACE VERSION II Rev. A" and "#321-024-10". (http://i34.tinypic.com/2usbcsn_th.jpg) (http://i34.tinypic.com/2usbcsn.jpg) (Click for bigger.) (A quick Google of Sigmatron found the following: "SigmaTron International, Inc. (NASDAQ:SGMA) announced it completed the sale of its Las Vegas, Nevada operation on June 3, 2005 to Grand Products Nevada, Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Grand Products, Inc. The facility is a complete EMS center specializing in the assembly of electronic products and cables for a broad range of customers primarily in the gaming industry.") Also, see http://www.grandproductsinc.com/ . If you post a pic of the back, I'd be certain what it is. Here you go: (http://i35.tinypic.com/ehn2np_th.jpg) (http://i35.tinypic.com/ehn2np.jpg) (Click for bigger -- only one power plug port.) Do you know of any 1x1 graphics floating around? Ok, the small board that you posted is a SIB or Slot Machine Interface Board or System Interface Board or Slot Interface Board. (I have heard all different meanings for SIB, but it is a Mikohn Part.) I have looked at and discussed these before on the old site a long time ago, but cannot remember any details??? Basically these are a communication device used in Superlink systems and others. Some do SIB to SAS stuff, etc. It will take an expert to know exactly what the functions are and how to hook it all up. It is more for the casino environment linking bunches of machines together with the casino sytems and progressive. :204- CH :95- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: CaptainHappy on October 27, 2009, 06:17:08 AM OK HERE IS THE TRUE ANSWER TO WHAT SIB STANDS FOR!!! I was close on the acronym, and not to bad on the function. Used for Mystery Jacpots and the like.
SIB: Smart Interface Board. A MIKOHN-proprietary computer board that converts protocol between gaming machines and controllers. CH :95- Info from Marathon DCU Controller Doc. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 27, 2009, 11:44:37 AM I'd straighten up that bent over chip and take a real good look at the red 47 cap.
Looks like smoke escaping from that area. The blue, round thing might be another cap or a soldered -in battery which is starting to look a little burned. If those components deteriorate any more, you'll have problems and you'll be thinking...hmm,...what am I doing wrong? Preventative measures should be taken before they destroy the board. Those components may not be too hard to identify and replace if you can get your hands on a schematics of the board. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on October 27, 2009, 08:02:24 PM Unless I'm mistaken, I don't need that board at all so the smoke can escape from it all it wants. :97- :98- :98- :98-
Seeing that it was used in a casino environment for linked mystery jackpots (the whole "MoneyTime" progressive stuff), it shouldn't have any bearing on being able to use the Supreme as a display driver. Thanks and K+ to :95- :95- :95- for the info and e-mails. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: edski on October 27, 2009, 08:20:34 PM Was the SIB connected to the Supreme in any way?
Ed Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: SAT (aka GANDHI) on October 27, 2009, 08:38:55 PM I'd straighten up that bent over chip and take a real good look at the red 47 cap. Looks like smoke escaping from that area. The blue, round thing might be another cap or a soldered -in battery which is starting to look a little burned. If those components deteriorate any more, you'll have problems and you'll be thinking...hmm,...what am I doing wrong? Preventative measures should be taken before they destroy the board. Those components may not be too hard to identify and replace if you can get your hands on a schematics of the board. It's indeed a board that serves as interface between Mikohn DCU controller and slot machines. We use it for Aristocrat Hyperlink Mystery Jackpot systems. It converts the propietary SERIAL protocol used by the machine to the one used by Mikohn (I believe it's RS-485) and backwards. This board isn't needed for stand alone display installations (you guesses were right!!!!) The bent IC is a 5V fixed regulator that usually gets really (really!!!) HOT!, so it's normal to see smoke signs around. DIP switches 1-5 are meant to give a unique ID to the slot machine, 6-8 are used when machines are multidenomination. Four status leds: the outter pair are comunication with the Mikohn controller, the inner pair are comunication with slot machine. Regards Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on October 27, 2009, 08:43:22 PM Was the SIB connected to the Supreme in any way? Not directly, no. There were two wires that went from either the "DOWNLOAD" or "CONTROLLER" pins on the Supreme into the same wiring harness that also had wires going to/from the SIB, but based on the colors of the wires in the harness, there was no direct connection. There is a power link from the Supreme's power supply to the little black power jack on the SIB. This board isn't needed for stand alone display installations (you guesses were right!!!!) SAT: Thank you for the info! Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 28, 2009, 02:37:06 AM It's indeed a board that serves as interface between Mikohn DCU controller and slot machines. We use it for Aristocrat Hyperlink Mystery Jackpot systems. It converts the propietary SERIAL protocol used by the machine to the one used by Mikohn (I believe it's RS-485) and backwards. Regards SMIB, huh? :103- :103- Didn't Mikohn used to call a device with that functionality a gateway? :52- :97- :97- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: CaptainHappy on October 28, 2009, 07:16:58 AM It's indeed a board that serves as interface between Mikohn DCU controller and slot machines. We use it for Aristocrat Hyperlink Mystery Jackpot systems. It converts the propietary SERIAL protocol used by the machine to the one used by Mikohn (I believe it's RS-485) and backwards. Regards SMIB, huh? :103- :103- Didn't Mikohn used to call a device with that functionality a gateway? :52- :97- :97- Bill, your SMIB comment made me research some more, and I realize now that there are SIBs and SMIBs and they are different boards!!! I had both things in my head in earlier posts. The picture that knagle posted is a SIB or SMART INTERFACE BOARD, and the SMIB is pictured below and it actually is called the Slot Machine Interface Board like I had originally posted. I think the functionality is similar, and maybe the SMIB is a newer board??? What is a SMIB??? Here you go: The Mikohn SMIB is a logic board that allows the Mikohn CasinoLink system to communicate with different types of slot machines. See page 5 for information about SMIB interaction with CasinoLink. Slot machines, produced by different manufacturers such as Aristocrat and IGT, often use proprietary methods of communication (or protocols). The CasinoLink system has its own proprietary protocol as well. One SMIB is installed in each machine that is linked to the CasinoLink system, with cables connecting the machine and the system to the SMIB. As the interface between the machine and the system, the SMIB receives data from both and translates the information from the sender’s protocol to the recipient’s protocol, before passing it on to the recipient. Regards, CH :95- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: StatFreak on October 28, 2009, 08:25:52 AM You guys! My SIBling's head is SMIBing. :127-
K+ all around for all of the information. :71- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on October 28, 2009, 11:55:51 AM SIB's....SMIB'S...well, ain't that a SOB? :96-
I thought they were the same beasts...learn something new everyday... Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on October 28, 2009, 01:39:57 PM Bill, your SMIB comment made me research some more, and I realize now that there are SIBs and SMIBs and they are different boards!!! I had both things in my head in earlier posts. The picture that knagle posted is a SIB or SMART INTERFACE BOARD, and the SMIB is pictured below and it actually is called the Slot Machine Interface Board like I had originally posted. I think the functionality is similar, and maybe the SMIB is a newer board??? What is a SMIB??? Here you go: The Mikohn SMIB is a logic board that allows the Mikohn CasinoLink system to communicate with different types of slot machines. See page 5 for information about SMIB interaction with CasinoLink. Slot machines, produced by different manufacturers such as Aristocrat and IGT, often use proprietary methods of communication (or protocols). The CasinoLink system has its own proprietary protocol as well. One SMIB is installed in each machine that is linked to the CasinoLink system, with cables connecting the machine and the system to the SMIB. As the interface between the machine and the system, the SMIB receives data from both and translates the information from the sender’s protocol to the recipient’s protocol, before passing it on to the recipient. Regards, CH :95- Ok, here's a technical question for you, since you seem to be the S/M/IB Guru! :5- Is that daughterboard I see on the SMIB changeable depending on the type of machine you are installing it in, or is it the same for all models and the DIP switches are the configuration for the machine? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: CaptainHappy on October 29, 2009, 02:27:47 AM Bill, your SMIB comment made me research some more, and I realize now that there are SIBs and SMIBs and they are different boards!!! I had both things in my head in earlier posts. The picture that knagle posted is a SIB or SMART INTERFACE BOARD, and the SMIB is pictured below and it actually is called the Slot Machine Interface Board like I had originally posted. I think the functionality is similar, and maybe the SMIB is a newer board??? What is a SMIB??? Here you go: The Mikohn SMIB is a logic board that allows the Mikohn CasinoLink system to communicate with different types of slot machines. See page 5 for information about SMIB interaction with CasinoLink. Slot machines, produced by different manufacturers such as Aristocrat and IGT, often use proprietary methods of communication (or protocols). The CasinoLink system has its own proprietary protocol as well. One SMIB is installed in each machine that is linked to the CasinoLink system, with cables connecting the machine and the system to the SMIB. As the interface between the machine and the system, the SMIB receives data from both and translates the information from the sender’s protocol to the recipient’s protocol, before passing it on to the recipient. Regards, CH :95- Ok, here's a technical question for you, since you seem to be the S/M/IB Guru! :5- Is that daughterboard I see on the SMIB changeable depending on the type of machine you are installing it in, or is it the same for all models and the DIP switches are the configuration for the machine? That is called a Data Points Board, and I am not an expert, I just looked stuff up in the manual.... The page for this is the 29th page of the PDF (TM_SMIB5...) that is soon to be in the File Upload section. You can read the whole thing, and you will be the master expert!!! :97- :97- :97- Gotta get some work done now! :8- CH :95- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 02, 2009, 07:22:46 AM Okay, I'm starting to make some progress! :3-
Thanks to a kind foum member who had an unneeded Supreme U3 chip, I now have some life from my display! The thing boots and goes through what I presume is a normal booting procedure (Disk check, ROM check, etc.) -- it shows a group address (GRADR) of 0 and an address ID (IDADR) of 33. The next page of boot text shows "JP group = 7" "Link 4, Level 1". The following screens show it's configured for Graphics, 1 panel wide and 1 panel high (thanks to the HyperTerminal instructions I found here (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=146.msg996#msg996)). MFILE=FILE 5 ODSPEED=50 I think the next one is "Save to=" RAM C??? (I can't read as the text overlaps) The last thing the display shows, and it sits on this screen forever, is "invalid command -->(TRIGGER)" When I first put the chip in the Supreme thought it was connected to a display 4 wide and 3 high (or maybe 3 wide 4 high? I don't remember). When it was that way, the text didn't overlap on the screen as it does now, but it was cut off as (I assume) it expected to be showing text across multiple screens. I tried connecting to the sign with the Windows Download program, but the program will not accept a group address of zero (it replies: "Invalid Operation -- Assuming defaults" and changes back to the default group of 255 and ID of 64). I am using a cable with pins 1 and 5 jumpered on the Mikohn side, and this cable has previously worked with PSP and a ChamII+. Moving the configuration slider switch on the Supreme board does not appear to do anything. In reading the manual, that should bring me to menus (like my ChamII+) and it should let me change the group ID number and whatnot. The manual also says that a valid group ID number is 1 to 255. Mine is set to zero, for sure. Is there a way to change the group address to something other than zero so that Windows Download will talk to it? ...or do I have bigger problems with the whole, "invalid command -->(TRIGGER)" message? I guess my question is, what should I do next? Thanks in advance. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on November 03, 2009, 01:32:47 AM Is the battery any good? It's right next to the transistor with the big heat sink on it.
Sounds like you need to get it to the point where you can do a runbirth on it... Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 03, 2009, 02:12:01 AM Is the battery any good? It's right next to the transistor with the big heat sink on it. Sounds like you need to get it to the point where you can do a runbirth on it... I'll test it, but shouldn't I get a low battery "C*" message on it if the battery is low? I tried the "birth" command from HyperTerminal -- it just seemed to reboot the thing (no change it what it does or displays). Would disconnecting (unsoldering) the battery and then re-connecting it perhaps help me get it back to a point where I can reset it? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on November 03, 2009, 02:33:19 AM Is the battery any good? It's right next to the transistor with the big heat sink on it. Sounds like you need to get it to the point where you can do a runbirth on it... I'll test it, but shouldn't I get a low battery "C*" message on it if the battery is low? Sure, what C code is that? :96- Not sure about disconnecting the battery, but if it's low it may cause weird $h1! :25- The whole (0/33)/(255/64) address thing has me puzzled, can you elaborate? Is it that you can't get the thing into config mode? If so, is it possible the switch at S2 is bad? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 03, 2009, 05:52:24 AM Sure, what C code is that? :96- I was slightly mis-remembering what happened with my ChamII+ when the battery died (discussion here (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1736.0)). Quote Not sure about disconnecting the battery, but if it's low it may cause weird $h1! :25- The whole (0/33)/(255/64) address thing has me puzzled, can you elaborate? Is it that you can't get the thing into config mode? If so, is it possible the switch at S2 is bad? When I plug in the power cable, the display goes through its booting sequence. On the group address screen "GRADR" it shows a value of zero. On the IDADR screen it shows a value of 33. According to the manual, the only valid values for a group address are 1-255 (not zero). Using the download program, if I attempt to use a value of zero the program barks at me. I cannot get the thing into config mode. When I move the S2 switch nothing happens. I suppose it's possible that the switch at S2 is bad. I'm going to try another Supreme from the batch of machines and see if I get the same results (no response from moving S2). If I do, I guess the next step is to remove the battery and hopefully let it forget everything it knows. At this point I'm wondering if some of the other chips on the board are programmed differently for the MoneyTime progressive that these Supremes used to be a part of (in so far as having a seemingly invalid group ID number and nothing happening when I move the configuration switch). I'll know more later in the week when I get my hands on some of the other Supremes. Thanks for your continued help, and I'm open to any ideas anyone may have. Now that I've told it that it's a 1x1, here's what appears on the display after it goes through its boot process: (http://i34.tinypic.com/246563m.jpg) Reading the error.log file on the board, it is actually saying, "invalid command -->(TRIGGER)" Apologies for the crummy cellphone video, but here was the boot sequence before I changed it from 4x3: http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=1z4hh02&s=4 ...and here is the boot sequence now (1x1). Notice how some of the text wraps around from the right side back on top of the left side (except for one of the boot screens which takes full advantage of the lower half of the display): http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=308kv14&s=4 Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: Ron (r273) on November 03, 2009, 11:10:12 AM This may not help you with your present problem but here are my setting for CHAMII+. I used this to keep
track of my settings since my memory is ( ). As far as the display I would guess it is in the Display setting menu, under Size. Also might be the MFILE. These are purely guesses as I am not and expert but a novelist. Also attached is my Mikohn PSP settings. Ron <edit> Removed the attachments because I figured they would end up on fea-bay. :72- Anyone else needs a copy PM me. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on November 03, 2009, 12:43:45 PM I love your notes r273.... :3-
not many people actually do that anymore... Me, I gotta go scouring through the manual every time I wanna re program it... :25- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: Ron (r273) on November 03, 2009, 07:33:01 PM I love your notes r273.... :3- no many people actually do that anymore... Me, I gotta go scouring through the manual every time I wanna re program it... :25- I think it may help some noobies since you can change it and save your own settings. Some of the setting I still don't know what there for. Each time I read the manual I forget half of what I read. :5- Ron Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: StatFreak on November 04, 2009, 03:07:26 AM ... <edit> Removed the attachments because I figured they would end up on fea-bay. :72- Anyone else needs a copy PM me. I can't say that I blame you. It's a shame when one or two bad apples ruin it for everyone else. :60- <PS> I'll send you 20% of the net of every copy I sell. :30- :97- :97- :97- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 05, 2009, 07:29:29 AM Progress update:
We tried a different Supreme from the same batch of machines with a different version U3 chip. Same boot sequence as indicated in the video above. Same final screen "Invalid Command...". Also, moving the SW2 switch to the "configure" setting on that Supreme also does not do anything. Additionally, that Supreme shows a GRADR of zero on boot-up. For kicks, I tried removing every socketed chip and the main fuse. I left them all out for 30 seconds then replaced them all, being careful to replace them all in the same sockets and the correct direction. No change -- same boot sequence and results. Hold the phone!!! Great progress just now! Don't ask me what prompted me to do this, but I connected it to the computer again and tried the birth command again. Nothing -- the Supreme rebooted and I was back where I started. I moved the configuration switch, held down both SW3 and SW4 and ran the birth command again from HyperTerminal. This time instead of just rebooting, it gave me messages about erasing the FLASH memory and writing, erasing, checking, writing, erasing, writing, checking, etc. It did that about five times, showed some flash errors on the display, and then came up into the configuration menu! (Edited to add: Apparently it wasn't HyperTerminal's birth command, but rather just the fact that it rebooted the board while I was holding those switches that did it. I had to erase the flash memory again after screwing up a background.bat file which locked it up, and moving the switch (unknown if it's even necessary) and holding both buttons while applying power did the trick to get it to format itself again.) I was able to page through and change the group address ID and do other configuration stuff. When I exited out (with the switch), the display showed me a nice big $0.00, alternating with "C1". ...and then after about 20 seconds an animated "Mikohn" and "Gaming" screen! I'm off to see if the Windows Download program will talk to it now. Wish me luck! For anyone interested, here's what the HyperTerminal display showed me during the process: Code: SSS U U PPPP EEEEE RRRR CCC H H AAA M M Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 05, 2009, 07:47:30 AM Success with Windows Download! It talks to it. It's ALIVE!!!! :)
So... now what? :72- I'm at the point that I don't know how to program the thing! I'll do my best to dig through the huge thread here, but any starting tips would be great. Is there a tutorial anywhere for just having it display a simple message? This board (for now) will not be hooked up to a machine, and I don't want it to always flash "C1" and a $0.00 jackpot. Any suggestions of what to do now? Also, does anyone have any neat 1x1 graphics? Thanks again to everyone who has helped or offered suggestions thus far. Edited to add: Do I want to have this thing set to save to the RAM Drive or the FLASH Drive? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 05, 2009, 10:35:33 AM Here I go replying to my own messages again...
Anyhoo, I've come a long way, baby. </Virginia Slims> http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=2vl62pg&s=4 Again, awful cellphone video, but you can get the gist. Here's where I'm at now, and could use some input from the Supreme folks in the group: - Is there anything more with text that can be done that I'm not doing (side-to-side scrolling like a standard LED message board, other types of animated text, etc.)? - Can anyone please, PLEASE point me in the direction of any 1x1 animations? Thanks! Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: Ron (r273) on November 05, 2009, 11:10:06 AM :105- Knagl!
Boy you have put a lot of work into that! Jay or Jeff may have some input on animations. I wish I could be able to program a message in my CHAMII+, only get the jackpot. Thanks for posting the video. Ron Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on November 05, 2009, 01:30:53 PM I think it's fantastic knagl! :3- :3- :3- :3- :3-
It's amazingly tough work to figure out stuff like that and congrats man! :89- You'll be answering a lot of your own posts because you're way ahead of anyone on this one! Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: kenokarz on November 05, 2009, 03:15:04 PM k plus to you on this as always, your so much smarter than us old guys, :25-
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: StatFreak on November 05, 2009, 03:20:25 PM Kevin, I know that you're waiting for someone to post to help you with the next step, but I thought I'd add my 2¢ and congratulate you on all that you've accomplished and give you another K+. :131- :131- :3- :3- :3-
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on November 05, 2009, 03:29:05 PM knagl needs help with 1x1 animations! Idesugn! Jay! Westec! Please Help!!!
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: jay on November 05, 2009, 04:46:37 PM I am a con1 guy and can help on the interface side a bit along with the older slots but know little about the CON2 animation.
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 05, 2009, 07:16:07 PM Thanks, everyone for the congrats and kind words! Trust me, I had a huge smile on my face last night when I got it to work! I wish I could be able to program a message in my CHAMII+, only get the jackpot. Ron- Are you not able to program a custom message into your ChamII+? I got mine programmed a while back and would be happy to try and help you with yours. It'd be a good excuse for me to get back into it as the battery died on my ChamII+ and I need to re-program mine anyway. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 06, 2009, 07:27:40 AM Whaddya know, some Mikohn animation files magically appeared in my e-mail box. Thanks to whomever was responsible for that! :71-
I did some more tweaking and added some animations (and used a better camera source!): http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=10ngqrm&s=4 On some other members' pictures I've seen scrolling text that goes from right to left like a standard LED message board. I don't see in the documentation how to do that. Can anyone lend any insight? Is that only text within the jpot.do file? Is the jpot.do file something I can add to my backgrnd.bat file to have play and then put text in the jpot.do file? Thanks! Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on November 06, 2009, 12:43:28 PM I think those animations are fantastic :3-
I wonder if you'd have to add some type of left/right arrow or symbol into the jpot.do programming lines? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 06, 2009, 07:26:57 PM As of right now I'm not even using the jpot.do file (and maybe that's my problem?). I'm just using TEXT commands from a couple of text files that are triggered by the backgrnd.bat file. Do I need to use PSP to work on the jpot.do file? Am I going to deal with C1 errors since it's not hooked up to anything? ...and do I add something to my backgrnd.bat file to make it "play" the jpot.do file?
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on November 06, 2009, 07:37:15 PM You'll have C1 errors until you get a progressive controller, but you can turn the "Display C1" parameter off in the configuration so it will only show the $0.00 when it tries to display the progressive. :71-
You'd really be better off buying a CON2I, you know you want one now... :208- :208- :208- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: CaptainHappy on November 07, 2009, 06:52:01 AM Looking like some serious progress!!!! :3- :3- :3- :3- :3-
CH :95- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 07, 2009, 02:18:41 PM You'll have C1 errors until you get a progressive controller, but you can turn the "Display C1" parameter off in the configuration so it will only show the $0.00 when it tries to display the progressive. :71- Do you have to display the progressive amount in the jpot.do file? I mean, I realize that normally that'd be the point, but it is a requirement? ...and if not, is that how I can get scrolling (right to left) text? Also, does that get triggered to run by the backgrnd.bat file, or does it just run on its own at random on top of that, or does it replace it? As a side note, I saw the "don't show C1" in the manual, but it's not an option on this Supreme. I'm thinking maybe the software is too old -- it's running 2.10 right now, but I'm meeting up with Kenokarz later today and he has a chip that's 3-point-something. Quote You'd really be better off buying a CON2I, you know you want one now... You're right about that, but I'm about to shell out $1400 on a pinball machine in great condition -- right now that seems like a better use of that kind of money than a small black metal box. :) Looking like some serious progress!!!! Indeed, thanks! Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: brichter on November 07, 2009, 04:38:57 PM PM sent
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: icu44444 on November 24, 2009, 04:35:06 PM hi
i got ahold of some of these small adapter boards. i was sold them as a package deal which came with a konami topper called mystery rewards. this topper has 2 display meters in it. large and medium size. forgot the cell it was 12 i believe. but anyhow, it came with the controller you have in your pic. chamii + i believe, the square card, bunch of cables, top box power supply and smaller one for the square board, tons of cables. from what i have read the cable look like they go to a kanomi slot and it linked a bank of slots together. what i am thinking is the small adapter card is for the mystery topper to interface into the slot machine and generates a random number or similar that selects a random symbol pattern from the slot and stores it for the mystery jackpot and keeps in check with the slot to see if and when that pattern hits. if it does then the card communicates this to the progressive link maybe to a supercontroller or maincontroller of a bank of linked prgressives. or its a card that allows a standalone progressive to be put on a slot and with a random number generator this card holds that info and when that pattern is displayed on screen the random jackpot is awarded the player. anybody ever seen the mystery rewards topper in place at a casino anywhere? kevin Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: icu44444 on November 24, 2009, 04:41:52 PM my post was before noticing pages 2 thru 4 existed. didnt read all of it but if card was covered then disregard my last reply of course. also where can i find those animation scenes i saw on one of the pages skimming. are they available in download section?
kevin Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on November 24, 2009, 08:28:09 PM Kevin-
The controller card in this thread is a Supreme controller, not a ChamII+. From afar they look similar, but they are not at all the same, and the programming methods and animations for the Supreme do not apply to a ChamII+. You cannot add animated graphics to a ChamII+. As you hopefully discovered on the earlier pages, the extra square board is related to the linked jackpot bonusing system. It is an interface between the Supreme (or in your case, ChamII+) and another controller that would link all of the slots in a bank together. The dip switches on that small board are used (in part, at least) to assign a machine number to each slot in the bank. The Konami Mystery Rewards thing is a local area mystery progressive. You'd have a bank of eight or ten machines (or whatever you want, but this was the setup I saw in the casino). The lower progressive meter would reset to $5.00, and would hit by $20.00. The upper progressive would have its own base amount (let's say $50), and would hit by a certain amount (let's say $200). In a mystery progressive, the controller picks a number within its range (somewhere between $5 and $20 for the lower one -- let's say it picked $12.87). Once the progressive reaches that level, it is awarded, the current level resets to its base amount, and a new mystery amount within the pre-set range is selected. Every coin put in the machines in the bank would contribute to the progressive meters. If the person playing machine 6 drops the coin that pushes the meter to $12.87, the jackpot would be awarded to that player. Okay, with all that out of the way, if your controller is in fact a ChamII+ (it has to have the "plus") then you can hook it up to a machine as a stand-alone controller. You won't be able to do the mystery jackpot as I described above, but you should be able to configure it as a dual-level traditional progressive meter. Information about how to do that can be found in other ChamII+ threads in the Mikohn section, or worst case you can create a new thread for your ChamII+ meters. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: memusa on December 10, 2009, 06:12:43 PM Don't you have any extra supremes for sale?
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: AussieBob on December 17, 2009, 12:13:43 AM Good day to all
I have just acquired a system with a supreme ligic board and 2 displays each 2x2 and I would like to use them not as agaming device but as a notice board for my Scouting events. ie as a welcome sign, a message board etc. I have a good electronics and computer background and already have a lower resolution unit used in a TV studio as an applause sign etc. I've interfaced it to an atmel microcontroller and a laptop which works well. But... this unit looks a whole lot better and so my request for manuals and software to drive the unit would be appreciated. I wonder if anyone could steer me in the right direction. Thanks Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 17, 2009, 12:44:15 AM Sit back for this...you might have a lot to learn...
I'd like you to get yourself familiar with your equipment first. Read everything thing you can by first typing in "supreme" in the search box next to the "Home" and "Help" boxes upstairs. ^^^ Up comes various topics and threads about the supreme. You need to read some of this to get a better understanding. The second file down in the "Submit A New File" is the PSP V2.0 program which works best with older XP or windows 98 computers - is something else you'll need. You will also need the "Supreme" manual. You need to take a couple of high-resolution pictures of the back of your displays and post them so we can be sure you have the right display panels. Board numbers of everything, pictures, existing power supplies and harnesses. We also need a good picture of the "Supreme" board you have...there are a couple of different versions. Power supplies and harnesses - you have these yet? Your pictures that you post will help us tell yo which ones you need. Remember, the more you show and tell us - the most information you will get! and a warm Welcome to New Life Games! You can stay but you may never leave...LOL Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 21, 2009, 03:46:16 PM Does it look like this?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270499643326 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270499643326) Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: AussieBob on December 21, 2009, 05:43:14 PM G'day again
Thanks for your prompting but no .. Let me explain both our cameras are on holidays at the moment and should be returning in the next couple of days with their owner - my son. I'll be able to get pics then but also then it'll be Xmas so we'll be quite busy around then too. Bear with me. I have found a diagram of the Supreme board on another post and checked it with mine and found the Board Identification is the same P/N 321-035-00 Rev F. Cycle Stealer Supreme - with a Made in Australia on the back In the mean time I've traced out the display board IC pin by pin and now have a pretty good circuit diagram of it and also an undrstanding of how it works. I'm nearly convinced to build another controller with a micro I bought from Futurelec in Thailand so I'm really interested in the Input pin numbering to the display board and the signal timing and also the data structure/protocol. I'll send you some pics asap Thanks for your help and have a Merry Christmas Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: AussieBob on December 22, 2009, 01:03:33 AM G'day again from sunny Sydney (temp 95 degrees F)
The logic board is the same as the diagram shown on page one of this topic I tried communicating with the Supreme again - this time with pins 1 and 5 on the RS 232 cable shorted. OK the controller responds to a CR sent from my computer but after about 5 seconds I get an ANSI ERROR message??!!?? The Supreme does not recognise any other ascii codes being sent to it - it doesn't respond to a ? but on ONE occasion it did respond and came back with a list of functions such as Time and Date among others - but only once. So I guess I'm not sending the right codes/commands. Do you have a listing that I could use please? Also I'm not using the PSP program as it didn't seem to work - instead I'm using an RS232 analyser prog and can see all the comings and goings as well as displaying text Hope you can help with a bit more info Thanks Bob Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on December 22, 2009, 01:51:04 AM Bob-
Greetings from Minnesota, USA, where it's about 20 degrees F. Try connecting to it via HyperTerminal in Windows using the instructions found here: http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=146.msg996#msg996 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=146.msg996#msg996) Make sure that the Supreme is set to a baud rate of 9600 (use the configuration slider switch and the buttons to access the menu in the Supreme to access that setting, then move the configuration slider switch back to the normal position to save your changes). While you can't program the sign via HyperTerminal (not easily, at least), you can get into its "operating system" and see the files on there. It's a DOS-like language that it uses, and has an "a" "b" and "c" "drive" that you can access. Once you have good communication in HyperTerminal, try using the Windows Download program (not PSP) to talk to it and program it. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: AussieBob on December 22, 2009, 02:15:25 AM Where is the Windows download program? I got the PSP prog from the submit a new file area but there didn't seem to be any other appropriate files
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 22, 2009, 03:06:43 AM PM me your email and I'll send my copy of the Mikohn Downloader program folder to you!
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: thanh lieu on January 12, 2010, 01:13:33 PM Hi all,
SIB2 is casinolink to Con2 protocol converter, It uses to transfer mystery JP infomation from casinolink PGIC to player note PC or Con2 to dispay MJP value. It uses RS485 communication for Con2 and RS232 for player note PC. The 27c512 eprom is stand for protocols Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 03, 2010, 07:10:14 PM knagl,
I'm stuck in "invalid command" on the display and cannot get the into the configurations either. I've held the 2 buttons down and took a peek at the Hyperterminal screen and got a lot of what you had posted up above. At the bottom of the Hyper screen, I have an option to type in a command. What did you type in there and send to the Supreme board - "birth"? ADD>> Okay, I figured out the birth part but how do I get the configuration switch to work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaJPHtooj18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaJPHtooj18) Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 03, 2010, 08:09:04 PM Okay, I figured out how to get the configurations switches to work...lol
Basically, with the HyperTerminal still in readiness and the serial cable (w/pins 1-5 jumped) I removed the power cord and held down the 2 buttons on the board while plugging back in to power cord... everything then happened as Knagl described in his earlier posts! Now, all I gotta do is hook up a machine... if anybody knows which pins on the board go to which pins on the machine - that would be awesome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivGpKoW7S0E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivGpKoW7S0E) Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on February 03, 2010, 08:27:00 PM Sorry, Bunker, I meant to send you a link to the reset procedure that I figured out. I actually intentionally didn't reset it so you could see how it worked.
You don't need to have the serial cable connected to do it, but it (obviously) will work with it. For future reference, here's how to zap the RAM and get it back to factory defaults: http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=6070.msg53953#msg53953 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=6070.msg53953#msg53953) I'll send you some animations that I created and found on the uncleared controllers -- give me a day or so, as they're on a different computer. Now, all I gotta do is hook up a machine... if anybody knows which pins on the board go to which pins on the machine - that would be awesome! The Supreme isn't a stand-alone progressive controller. It requires a CON1 or a CON2 to do progressive stuff. It can, however, display text and animations and whatnot on its own, without a controller. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 03, 2010, 11:21:19 PM It was actually kinda scary when I first saw the board
displaying that it was wiping out the flash... so I quickly darted over to reread your posts from like two pages back to see that yours re-flashed itself like about 5 times. Whew! :96- I'll play with it some more during the week and am happy to get it this far as I just opened up the package a few hours ago... I was like a kid at Christmas!...lol Now, I have nearly all the different forms of Mikohn boards and display panels in my collection. I'm just waiting for two more to add to it - The rare AGL Logic board and the long awaited CHAM3! This has got to stop!!! :72- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: chosmer on April 16, 2010, 03:59:52 PM Here I go replying to my own messages again... Anyhoo, I've come a long way, baby. </Virginia Slims> http://v4.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=2vl62pg&s=4 Again, awful cellphone video, but you can get the gist. Here's where I'm at now, and could use some input from the Supreme folks in the group: - Is there anything more with text that can be done that I'm not doing (side-to-side scrolling like a standard LED message board, other types of animated text, etc.)? - Can anyone please, PLEASE point me in the direction of any 1x1 animations? Thanks! Ok how did you program the message in? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: chosmer on April 16, 2010, 04:11:03 PM Well, after watching that video again, I figured out you need to set the MFILE = JPOT.DO
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on April 16, 2010, 05:22:49 PM I believe a lot of it has to do with drawing animations in a software program,
converting it to a file that the Mikohn Supreme board understands and uploading it to the flash memory on the driver board. I've had no luck or time trying to figure that all out. :60- Good Luck to ya! There's a lot of reading to digest on these units. Go to the "Submit A New File" section of NLG and download a copy of the Supreme manual. There will be more information in there you need to read up on programming messages. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: McCackie on August 21, 2010, 06:30:51 AM You generate a *.flc file and convert it with flc2mik.exe. I define a phantom row at the bottom for various reasons including the animation program I use (e.g. a 1x1 is "panel 0 1 2"). Also the old Storeyboard can be used. Some of my old 1x1 are attached.
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: stayouttadabunker on August 21, 2010, 11:21:16 AM Hey McCackie! :88-
That's awesome! :3- :3- :3- Where were ya when we were trying to figure this stuff out last year???!! :96- I have the IBM storyboard software but it's so ancient! :7- Welcome to New Life Games! :136- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: McCackie on August 21, 2010, 12:02:25 PM It may be old but for serveral applications it is best. For a simple text based message such as the Jackpot range (we use Mystery a lot here) it is great (up to 2x2 size), also such as a band down the edge of the screen (attached) it is ideal (invoke via the TEMPLATE command within the *.PDF) and I have used it for custom $ signs.
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: thanh lieu on August 21, 2010, 12:25:51 PM Yes It is good for Mystery JP!
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: McCackie on August 21, 2010, 12:46:13 PM Much more impact for your 4 level, 2x3 display to set it up as "panel 0 3 3" and then define the PDF much as :-
_________ W0:0,0,116,16,1,5,C:CHAR16.FNT,/O5+ W1:0,17,116,33,0,4,C:CHAR16.FNT,/O5+ W2:116,0,180,16,3,2,C:blo16.FNT,/O5+ W3:116,17,180,33,4,3,C:blo16.fnt,/O5+ ________ You see I drop the bottom edge of the jackpot window off the display as W1 and W3 have a y2 value of 33. This allows me to use a 16 high font, as the BLO16 is really only 15 high none notice, anyway with a CHAR16 it only clips the bottom. Dont forget to check the error.log in drive A: of the Supreme, it tells you where many mistakes are when updated. Just make sure to delete it before you start. Read it by entering via Hyperterminal "a:" and then "type error.log" if it is there. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: Animaltronic on October 20, 2010, 08:10:57 AM Hi All,
Thanks for all the great posts :) from reading them alone i was able to revive a sign with the grafics and pieces i had pulled off a couple old controllers. I went to the download area to get the Supreme manual and poke around but the page is finished loading and blank :103- is there a number of posts i need to make or something before i get access to that area ? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: Brianzz on October 20, 2010, 09:56:51 AM The download page has been down for some time, software glitch. If you post what you're needing I'm sure someone will email or post it in a message back to you
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: Brianzz on October 20, 2010, 10:02:01 AM I think you mentioned you needed this...............
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: McCackie on November 08, 2010, 01:25:13 AM This may be a useful manual for the Windows Download. A laptop today can easily run 2 of USB<>RS232 divices. Just start the first DOWNLOAD session and then edit the File "DL-Settings.dat" in the Download directory with Notepad and change (and save) the first value, either 1 or 2 for COM 1 or COM2 and start the second session. Details are COMMA delimited.
File content (example): " 2 , #FALSE#, 1 , 1 , #TRUE#, #TRUE#, c:\Dee\DOWNLOAD\2x2\Menai-Club_9.5-10k&300-500\10Aug10, 9600 " ^Com Port ^ ^ the GRADR and IDADR 1 or 2 PS: Also iff you have large files you can download in via the J3 port at 19,200 baud using a USB<>422 dongle. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: bigdog on February 14, 2011, 02:42:19 PM i am looking for the MIKOHN downloader software can any one help
Thanks Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: Ron (r273) on February 14, 2011, 05:53:41 PM i am looking for the MIKOHN downloader software can any one help Thanks Look in the "submit a new file" above. Ron (r273) Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: bigdog on February 14, 2011, 10:45:20 PM DOWNLOAD FOR WINDOWS V2.0 Chapter 1
User Manual Overview and Installation March 6, 2000 2 990-241-18 1.3 Overview of the DOWNLOAD Main Menu Screen Figure 1.1 shows the DOWNLOAD Main Menu screen with several .fnt file examples in the SUPREME This is what i am looking for Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: bigdog on February 14, 2011, 10:52:21 PM hope this works a pic out the book
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: docrob on September 22, 2011, 06:33:07 PM Inherited a Mikohn Supreme double sided display (2x3) in a rotating can. Was originally a mystery jackpot as per the can. The numbers - jackpot amount - as I found it are showing properly throughout whole area of the displays, but the animation only shows on the top half of the 2x3 - effectively on top 1x3 on both displays.
Spent a couple of hours reading through different posts under the mikohn progressives topic but never found anything like this. I think I have the right software and am fumbling through at the moment. Anyone out there with an idea why I am having this problem? Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on September 22, 2011, 07:44:42 PM Perhaps someone loaded 1x3 animations into the Supreme rather than 2x3? Can you see the file name(s) of the animation(s) used? The file names generally give a clue as to what size display they were designed for.
Also, if you can, :211- of your display -- I'd love to see it! :89- Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: docrob on September 22, 2011, 08:39:12 PM Seems like. Will see if I can tell from files and post some pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: uniman on December 18, 2011, 12:51:16 AM Can anyone confirm for me that I would use the same serial cable I use for connecting my ChamII+ to PSP (a cable with pins 2, 3, and 5 straight through, with 1 and 5 jumpered on the Mikohn end) with this Supreme? Never did find this questioned answered. Can it? :103-Manual says serial connection on Supreme (J8) is a sound output. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: edski on December 18, 2011, 09:01:31 AM Can anyone confirm for me that I would use the same serial cable I use for connecting my ChamII+ to PSP (a cable with pins 2, 3, and 5 straight through, with 1 and 5 jumpered on the Mikohn end) with this Supreme? Never did find this questioned answered. Can it? :103-Manual says serial connection on Supreme (J8) is a sound output. Yes. Same cable, and J8 is the correct connection. Ed Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on December 18, 2011, 12:31:05 PM Agreed. I use the same cable for ChamII+ PSP programming as I use for Supreme Windows Download programming.
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: uniman on December 18, 2011, 02:09:16 PM Thanks Knagl, and thanks again Poppo. :89-
Having trouble with this connection, always getting directory not found error. Unit is a "Cycle Stealer" Supreme. Logic board was set to 2400 Baud, reset it to 9600. Address was 64, 64, reset that to 255, 64. Ran the rebirth. Serial cable has pins #1 and #5 jumpered at logic board. Anything else I'm missing?? How about Mfile? Does that need to be set to.....?? I'll recheck my cable with PSP on a standalone. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: uniman on December 18, 2011, 04:29:05 PM Looks like problem is computer. Cannot communicate with standalone. First try to upload gets standard error, second try locks up PSP. Using COM 1, anything else and PSP will not start as it sees no COM 1.
Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: McCackie on December 18, 2011, 08:33:23 PM If in doubt about cable, computers and etc when setting up a Supreme first communicate with Windows Hyperlink. Set up a session with 9600,8,1,n. As the supreme powers up it transmits setup info which can be seen in Hyperlink. Hyperlink is essential for management of a Supreme
Hit enter and the supreme responds, type in "Panel" and it will tell you its settings, enter "Setc1 1" and the C1 error is sppressed (and etc). Very useful is "TYPE ERROR.LOG" in drive ":A", means a SUpreme can be set up away from the floor. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: knagl on December 19, 2011, 02:49:32 AM I think you mean Hyper Terminal. :)
MFile doesn't need to be set to anything specific to communicate. I would maybe stay away from 64 and 255 (and pick lower numbers for each of those IDs) since I think 255 will try to communicate to all Mikohn devices. It may not cause an issue, but it couldn't hurt to pick a different group and ID. Title: Re: Help getting started with a Mikohn Supreme setup... Post by: McCackie on December 22, 2011, 09:25:51 PM Ooooooops, yes Hyper Terminal, the other is a product here I was chasing at the time for a mate.
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