Is it possible to put a legacy game on a newer machine?

[vpguy]

First off, I just got an education about talking about copyrighted material on this board and I have no intention of trying to copy or steal anything.  My question has to do with can it be done and how would it be done legally.

Based on my previous statement, can a home user legally buy game chips for their machine or is it basicaly you buy a machine with certain games and that's it?  Again, I'm not asking for someone to make or copy anything, just whether you can do these things in a legit way.

My main question is this,  I've got a newer model GK with multi-games and have noticed that one of my favorite games has a speed button that has 3 settings.  The particular game I really love has a 4th setting which is called "turbo".  Believe it or not, that version of the game plays ever so slightly different that it's enough to make me want that game.  I know, it sounds a little crazy, it's the same game, really but some sounds and behaviors are just enough different that I'd like to know if its posible (in a legit way) to have that game on my machine.

I've read that on the version MPU that I have that it may not be available, just the 3 speed setting version, not the version with turbo.  So I'll ask, (in a legit way), is it possible to get another MPU that would allow my "perfect" game?  I dont' know if it's finacially feasible to do this, but that's why I'm asking.  Can you swap MPU's in the same machine? I know swapping MPU boards carries it's risks, but I could see having 1 board in th machine 90 percent of the time  Is that legit or are there lots of security/pairing issues that wouldn't allow it to happen?

Again, don't want to break any rules or laws, but if you can purchase these things than I'd like to know if its cost effective.

Thanks,

VPGuy

[jay]

To answer your question YES you can swap games.
If you have an IGT S2000 you can buy any of the S2000 games as well as any of the S+ games.
In the S+ you can play S+ and S games.

With that said most of the S games were re-released on the S+ and most of the S+ were re-released on the S2000 but with better sound.

Most of the vendors on the home page can sell you used game kits.
I have bought a number of kits over year on eBay and have received chips that did not have the official IGT sticker leading me to believe they may have been copies. Pretty hard to tell if a chip is a copy if the make of the EPROM is the same.

With regards to legalities a good number of people here do own their own EPROM burners so they can make backups of the games they own.
For the S2000 world SIMM copiers are available but both the burners and media tend to be a bit more on the expensive side.

The copyright act is also a funny bit of legislation. It is designed to protect the intellectual rights of the designers.
Putting this into perspective if S+ chips are not being commercially sold and you are not selling them you are not denying the original manufacturer of a penny. So is any one harmed.

There was one glass company that was copying glass and reel kits and reselling to both the home community and casinos. Since these are still current themes this crossed the line.

Here at NLG we don't want any trading or copying no matter the age as we don't want to get shut down nor spend the many thousands of dollars defending innocence. The legal fees alone would crush us.

[vpguy]

To answer your question YES you can swap games.
If you have an IGT S2000 you can buy any of the S2000 games as well as any of the S+ games.
In the S+ you can play S+ and S games.

With that said most of the S games were re-released on the S+ and most of the S+ were re-released on the S2000 but with better sound.

Most of the vendors on the home page can sell you used game kits.
I have bought a number of kits over year on eBay and have received chips that did not have the official IGT sticker leading me to believe they may have been copies. Pretty hard to tell if a chip is a copy if the make of the EPROM is the same.

With regards to legalities a good number of people here do own their own EPROM burners so they can make backups of the games they own.
For the S2000 world SIMM copiers are available but both the burners and media tend to be a bit more on the expensive side.

The copyright act is also a funny bit of legislation. It is designed to protect the intellectual rights of the designers.
Putting this into perspective if S+ chips are not being commercially sold and you are not selling them you are not denying the original manufacturer of a penny. So is any one harmed.

There was one glass company that was copying glass and reel kits and reselling to both the home community and casinos. Since these are still current themes this crossed the line.

Here at NLG we don't want any trading or copying no matter the age as we don't want to get shut down nor spend the many thousands of dollars defending innocence. The legal fees alone would crush us.

Thanks for the authoritative answer. I fully understand NLGs perspective about not wanting to have to defend itself pertaining to copyrighted material.

How do I determine what type of machine I have?  What I've got is a machine that has the tab of games down the left side which includes vp, 3 play, 5 play,  10 play, STP, ux, keno, bj and slots.  How do I equate that to a s2000 or s+?  I don't think I have Simms, just a boot chip?

[cowboygames]

You've got a Game King, not a model mentioned in Jays post. There are several versions of software for those machines and if you can find a set of chips that has the game you want on them you can swap just the chips in most cases without having to change any actual boards. It's a process, but a relatively simple process once you get used to it. Original software can be found a lot of places including ebay. You would need to find out which version software you need, then simply find it for sale or place a ad for that particular set of original software. Also,make sure you get what's called a key chip to change your game settings and make sure the software you want is for sure compatible with the MPU installed in your machine. Hope this helps clear the fog some.

[vpguy]

You've got a Game King, not a model mentioned in Jays post. There are several versions of software for those machines and if you can find a set of chips that has the game you want on them you can swap just the chips in most cases without having to change any actual boards. It's a process, but a relatively simple process once you get used to it. Original software can be found a lot of places including ebay. You would need to find out which version software you need, then simply find it for sale or place a ad for that particular set of original software. Also,make sure you get what's called a key chip to change your game settings and make sure the software you want is for sure compatible with the MPU installed in your machine. Hope this helps clear the fog some.

Ok, game king. That makes sense. I've got a key chip #28 which allows me into the settings. Used it to change denoms and add my Tito. So from my other post I know my board info is as follows:

Game kit version gk003319
Boot rom version gkb00036

How do I go about finding my super times pay game with the turbo function not just the 3 speed buttons?  Is it possible the only version for my machine is the one with the 3 speed settings?  This is where I get confused.

[cowboygames]

I'm not familiar with which games are available on which software sets, so I can't help you as far as which chip set you need, I'll leave that to the experts on here. The way game king software is referred to here on the site is like 4.1, 5.1, 6.1 etc. If you change software you may also need a clear chip. Obviously I don't have a great deal of game king experience, my knowledge base is in reel type machine, just trying to clarify what you NEED to do and not so much what you have to have to do it. You've played the game, so it exists on a set of software, somewhere. Be patient and someone with more knowledge will read this post and be of more help than I can

[vpguy]

I'm not familiar with which games are available on which software sets, so I can't help you as far as which chip set you need, I'll leave that to the experts on here. The way game king software is referred to here on the site is like 4.1, 5.1, 6.1 etc. If you change software you may also need a clear chip. Obviously I don't have a great deal of game king experience, my knowledge base is in reel type machine, just trying to clarify what you NEED to do and not so much what you have to have to do it. You've played the game, so it exists on a set of software, somewhere. Be patient and someone with more knowledge will read this post and be of more help than I can

So what I've found is that I have an "enhanced deluxe memory adapter" sitting on top of my 044mpu. I'm assuming that this replaces "chips" and "Simms" that contain game code but maintains a boot chip to allow for key chipping. I've Also learned that the games come in the form of files that are programmed onto this board.   I'm assuming games are gotten by getting IGT CD's and using a jtag programmer to install?  So this is quite a bit different than older slots and older VIPs that just have chips. I don't know if I have the 128mb or 256 mb board but I'll grab the model number the next time I'm in there and will cross reef to find out which one I have.

So is it possible to add games to this board or do you buy game sets and that's all you can do?  I wouldn't imagine you could make a completely Hybrid setup of games could you?  My system has quite a few games and I've got it set up to allow many more games and denoms than I've ever seen in a casino. I really wish I could play at the casino with a wide variety of denoms but I guess they keep them low to cut their exposure to loss. A lot of machines only offer the high denoms in 3 play but not 5 or 10 play.

So are any of you guys programming these boards?  Asking so I know if this is a normal type of thing or extremely advanced or not done at all.  Not soliciting anything that is not allowed!  If its just a jtag I wouldn't mind building a rig to back it up. I've been told these boards are very sensitive to static and a backup would be a good thing.

Very interested in learning more. Thanks. And don't worry. I've got lots of patience.

[cowboygames]

It might be the same as the enhanced board on the S2000 platform. They have R boards which are pre-programmed with specific software and set up similarily to your game king, but they also have what's called a legacy adapter board which is used to play older/different game themes by changing chip sets and sound simms on the adapter instead of changing the board itself

[CVslots]

Try contacting Jim @ Blueridge Slots...he may be able to help you. You have a relatively new platform (as far as home games are concerned), and availability will be the issue. You will not find them readily available on sources like eBay, not everyday anyway, like some of the older platforms.