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Title: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 13, 2010, 11:17:33 PM I have an IGT 2000. Have 3 reel with bonus reel. I have everything working except backlite.
Would appreciate any help as to what harness is missing to get them to work. Ford. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 13, 2010, 11:19:25 PM 2 more pics.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: OhioGaming on December 13, 2010, 11:23:16 PM Looks like the power to the controller board is not connected .. top left.
Harness should be hanging around there in that area. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 13, 2010, 11:29:22 PM Only ones are a 3 plug & a 14. Both have a jumper in them. Can't find a 6 to go in there.
The one that plugs in there, where does it go to? Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: rjpohl on December 13, 2010, 11:34:09 PM look at the connection to the power supply sometimes the power plug you need is tie wrapped to it.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 13, 2010, 11:42:56 PM Thanks. It's not there.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: PLUNGER BOY on December 13, 2010, 11:54:04 PM its a 6 pin female molex adaptor with only 4 wires going to it . they are red/ orange/ black with red stripe / and black with orange stripe. look up in botton box right hand side on a 3 reel game
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: PWRSTROKE on December 14, 2010, 12:00:31 AM The Pwr. harness if never used is wire tied to the main harness and under the tray. I posted this same thing two years ago here. Just so long as you do not have a old vision or a frankenstein it will be there. A long long time ago I pulled my hair-(what's left of it) out on this. It is easy to miss in a factory set-up not using back-lit. I said under the tray and that may be mis-leading, It is in the main loom in that general area and towards the rear. B.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 14, 2010, 12:17:06 AM I think I have a Frankstein. There is no plug like that anywhere.
Back in Oct. & Nov. I got other parts from Jim from Blue Ridge and he said he would make a cable up for me. The last I talked to him he was still on his back. I didn't know what cable it was but now I do. He said about hooking up where printer hooks up. I will have to take another way around. Thanks for help. Ford Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: Jim on December 14, 2010, 01:48:25 AM that's your problem, that plug was a direct output from the power supply, it also was part of the cable that went directly to the power input connector on the motherboard, bottom plug right side. the plug on the backlit controller is a 6 pin plug. it only uses 4 of the pins. It supplies +25vdc (orange wire, black/ orange tracer) and +13vdc( red wire and black with red tracer) You can find these plugs going up to the pass thru connector from the bottom cabinet to the top box.
the input pins on the plug to the backlit controller are : top row, no connection, black/red, black/orange bottom row, no connection, red , orange the wiring in a s2000 is consistent for power distribution, red wire, black wire with red tracer =+ 13 vdc orange wire, black wire with orange tracer=+ 25vdc Jim Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 14, 2010, 01:53:07 AM Thanks all.
I just talked to Jim @ B/R & he's going to try & make me a harness. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: Buzz on December 14, 2010, 01:56:54 AM Ford Send me a email tomorrow and remind me to take a look in a parts machine I have. ( It's out back in a storage trailer to dark and cold to look tonight ) Maybe the harness you need is still in it. Email is in my profile.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 14, 2010, 01:59:33 AM Thanks Buzz. Will do.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 14, 2010, 11:50:48 PM Anybody got a wiring schematics?
If so, please post it up here or email me it and I'll make him a harness if I have the parts. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 15, 2010, 02:29:46 PM Are all your Molex connectors this loose? :129-
Push them in further. :89- The one up on top is very loose too... :209- Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 15, 2010, 02:48:59 PM No. I was pulling around @ them to take pic.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 15, 2010, 03:20:27 PM From what I'm understanding on this so far is that you need that
reel controller board to have some power via the unoccupied 6-pin header. Jim (Blueridge) suggested to you, I believe, to get that power from the DBV harness? Jim (Stars) is saying you should probe around with a multimeter and tap into it. (13V red & 24V orange wire) Have you tried to do this yet? I can dig around my personal s2000 this evening and see if I can locate a power source to tap from. If so, I will construct an adapter harness which can run from the source to the reel controller board for you. I found a 6-pin Molex housing which will work for the controller board header. I don't know what other molex housings I'll need yet - to make an adapter... Please let me know ASAP if you hear of anyone that might have a harness for you so I don't make this for nothing...lol Thanks! Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 15, 2010, 03:42:54 PM From what I'm understanding on this so far is that you need that reel controller board to have some power via the unoccupied 6-pin header. Jim (Blueridge) suggested to you, I believe, to get that power from the DBV harness? I thought he said the printer. It should not make a difference. Jim (Stars) is saying you should probe around with a multimeter and tap into it. (13V red & 24V orange wire) Have you tried to do this yet? No. I'm not good @ wiring stuff. I can dig around my personal s2000 this evening and see if I can locate a power source to tap from. If so, I will construct an adapter harness which can run from the source to the reel controller board for you. I found a 6-pin Molex housing which will work for the controller board header. I don't know what other molex housings I'll need yet - to make an adapter... Please let me know ASAP if you hear of anyone that might have a harness for you so I don't make this for nothing...lol ** If you make one I'll take it . I will not stick you with it. Thanks Ford Thanks! Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 15, 2010, 06:45:04 PM Good news. I have one coming. From what it looks in pic it is what I need.
:136- :259- for all that helped. Thanks Ford Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 15, 2010, 06:51:01 PM That's good news!
Way to go rj! :wa :92- That means I can play with my own machine tonight! :72- Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 15, 2010, 07:10:41 PM I hope you hit a big one one your machine.
You guys are a life saver. Thanks again, Ford Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 15, 2010, 07:14:46 PM This looks like what I need. Thanks Bob , Bunker & all you guys
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 20, 2010, 09:15:54 PM :244- :244- A big thank you to Ripohl (Bob) :259- for the harness. IT'S THE RIGHT ONE & IT WORKS.
I did quick video. I know I have a noise in it. I just hooked up to make sure it works. Now I have to pull wire harness apart & take old out & new in. Thanks to all you guys for your help. Now I'll have a good Christmas & I hope you all have the same. Ford http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfMm9V-bATwd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfMm9V-bATwd) Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 20, 2010, 11:41:35 PM Got all wires back in place. I have a noise in L speaker which I didn't have before. Seems to be picking up interference of some kind.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: Yoeddy1 on December 21, 2010, 12:09:36 AM Excellent Ford! Looks great, and yes, Bob IS the man that can. Regarding the noise, if it's a buzzing/humming type of sound, the cure is a 504b board, or the resistor workaround which eliminates the noise and requires you to raise your volume in the setup menus.
Either one might be worth a shot. Jason Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 21, 2010, 12:12:26 AM Thata what I was thinking. I'll get some 47 ohm resisters & try that
Thanks Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: Yoeddy1 on December 21, 2010, 12:15:30 AM Actually is that buzz on all the time? That might be something else. My previous post was referring to the noise occurring during a spin. But maybe it would work for it being constantly on as well. If the cable that Bob sent is removed, does the buzz go away?
Thanks Jason Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 21, 2010, 12:23:20 AM It's on all the time. I'll have to try and unhook tomorrow & see what happens.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 21, 2010, 12:26:57 AM When I unplug the backlite - noise is gone.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: cowboygames on December 21, 2010, 12:38:41 AM I used 10 ohm resistors on mine the other day. Took care of the noise and only required raising the volume level 1 step :89- Make sure to do all three speakers on both + and - leads
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 21, 2010, 12:42:04 AM 2 on each speaker?
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: Yoeddy1 on December 21, 2010, 12:49:36 AM 2 on each speaker? Radio Shack part number 271-1105 - 47 ohm 1/2W 5% Carbon Film Resistor did the trick for me per Bettor Slot's direction. I put them on all three speakers (Left, Right, and Tray). Install one resistor on only the white wire of each speaker. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: cowboygames on December 21, 2010, 12:53:47 AM I went with 10 ohms on each the white and green wires. Don't know if it's right, but it worked
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 21, 2010, 12:57:53 AM Mine has noise all the time. When I unplug backlite @ controller the noise stops. Is that something like how yous worked?
Time for me to crash, early Dr. tomorrow. Thank Jason & Cowboy Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: cowboygames on December 21, 2010, 01:16:04 AM That's the way mine was, especially on my DD after I added a 42 simm
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: poppo on December 21, 2010, 01:17:44 AM Mine has noise all the time. When I unplug backlite @ controller the noise stops. Is that something like how yous worked? Time for me to crash, early Dr. tomorrow. Thank Jason & Cowboy While I know nothing about these machines, it sounds like some noise is getting fed into the power supply and thus the sound system. If it were me, I would try some filter caps across the power lines going to the reel lamps and/or controller. But then again, I have a scope and would be able to track it down. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 21, 2010, 02:40:57 AM It's definitely noise from the back light wires.
Been discussed before on another thread. Resistor mods on all 3 speaker white wires will help, but not completely cure it. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: poppo on December 21, 2010, 03:01:38 AM It's definitely noise from the back light wires. Been discussed before on another thread. Resistor mods on all 3 speaker white wires will help, but not completely cure it. A resistor mod to the speaker sounds like more of a band-aid than a fix. All it's doing is changing the speaker impedance and filtering the noise frequency at the speaker (along with any other wanted sounds in the same frequency range). Sort of like cranking down a frequency range with an equalizer. The real cure would be to filter the noise at the source. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 21, 2010, 03:08:40 AM I agree...it's a band-aid...nothing more, but it does the trick - most of the time.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: Yoeddy1 on December 21, 2010, 03:10:11 AM Resistor mods on all 3 speaker white wires will help, but not completely cure it. I dunno, mine's completely silent with the resistors. I can't hear any feedback at all...just the game sounds. Not sure how much cleaner it could get. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 21, 2010, 03:14:14 AM I 'll betcha your dog hates it.... :96-
I have two dogs...I think one is deaf and sits by me while the other one runs to the other end of the house when I'm playing my machine... :97- Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: Buzz on December 21, 2010, 03:22:46 AM I 'll betcha your dog hates it.... :96- I have two dogs...I think one is deaf and sits by me while the other one runs to the other end of the house when I'm playing my machine... :97- Bunker IF this also works on CATS, you should patent it. :3- :3- :3- :3- Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 21, 2010, 09:48:46 PM It has a 502A board in. I think I'll swap it out for a 504B from another machine.
Ford Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 21, 2010, 11:05:55 PM Didn't change boards. This is what noise is like all the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JrIZLLF2k4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JrIZLLF2k4) Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 22, 2010, 09:15:23 PM :136-
Put a 504-B board in. No more static noise. Thanks for all your help. :259- to all that helped Ford :270- Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: Yoeddy1 on December 22, 2010, 09:17:56 PM Oh man! Now I'm going to have to order a 504b board...just because!
Good job Ford! Jason Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 22, 2010, 09:35:37 PM Hey Jason, YOU are the one that mentioned the board. No noise & I did not put resisters in.
Ford Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: Yoeddy1 on December 22, 2010, 09:38:31 PM Hey Jason, YOU are the one that mentioned the board. No noise & I did not put resisters in. Ford Yeah, I've known about the 504b fix for a while, i just haven't updated mine since the resistor trick is working. J Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: poppo on December 22, 2010, 10:20:14 PM Does someone have schematics for the two boards to see what is different, and find out what the real fix is?
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: FORDSBS on December 22, 2010, 10:31:40 PM I don't know difference but I'm someone will chime in and let us know.
Ford Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 22, 2010, 10:42:20 PM Uh...there's ten pages of schematics for an S2000 board...anything in particular you need?
What are the full part numbers and board versions numbers? There's several revised boards you're talking about. "502ABCDEFG/504ABCD..." don't cut it - I need full numbers. My search engine doesn't work this way. Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: poppo on December 22, 2010, 10:52:02 PM Usually the latest version of a schematic will show revisions at the bottom or somewhere, and changed or added parts will have a * or something next to them referring to the revisions. Like this revision to a S+ board.
Title: Re: What do I need to get backlite to work? Post by: stayouttadabunker on December 23, 2010, 12:03:00 AM :172-
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