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I need some help with this machine.  I think it is a S+?  I have no info on it and bought it yesterday.  I can't find a manual anywhere on the net for it and want to make sure I am searching for the right one.  Also the coin comparitor or something is not working.  I have the quarter in the slot for ident. The red light on the case does not light and the coin falls straight to the tray.  on the + pin I have 1v, but if I plug half the pins in it jumps to 24, and all the pins inn it drops to 0v.  So my mind tells me the board is bad?  With the cover removed I can see 1/2 the board is dark brown like a "burnt state".  The cove does not have any info on it but the ser# which is 830609 but no voltage model # or any other helpful info.  If anybody can tell me a part # that would be great, my guess is a cc-16?  Also I want a bill validater but don't know what I need, eeprom for flash (I have no idea what these mean) but I want to know so I can get the right stuff.  From everything I have read on here so far you guys are great and VERY helpful!!  Thanks for any info you can provide as I am lost!! Well I can't get all the pics on here, it is a bally/igt double cherry machine.  If you need any info I will post asap.

Is their any codes on the display?

There's a 2-pin wire coming out of the top.
If they're gray - it's a 24volt coin comparator is that's what your S+ uses.
If they're green, it's the wrong one as it will be a 13 volt coin mech.
See the little hole with the arrow?
That's the coin sensitivity dial.
Turn it fully counter-clockwise to the left then turn it a quarter of a turn clockwise.
Install it back into the machine with the power off and
close the door with the latch handle fully downwards.
Drop some coins and report back here with details!

Remember, the more you tell us - the more we'll tell you!

Keep in mind that you won't see the light on the comparator come on unless the machine sees the main door as closed.

regarding the bill validator...it looks like a JCM WBA housing in your pic so you should need a WBA-12-SS transport and head.  i'm sure you can find a vendor link at the top of this page who can hook you up. :71-

what on the machine does work?  are your flouro's on?  7-seg display reading anything?  hopper test function?  anything?  :103-

i need data!!!!!!!!   :211-   :211-  seriously though when you can put more pics up it will probably help your troubleshooting assistants (us) find what is incorrect or missing entirely in your machine.  old, used slot machines are often picked through pretty well for parts, especially if you get em cheap, so there may be harnesses, connectors, the bill acceptor  :96- , fuses, circuit boards, etc. missing from your machine.  also i concur with stayouttadabunker...looks like an S+ model IGT machine.  i don't remember much about them but there are plenty of very knowledgeable members that will be able to help figure your problems out.  everyone always asks what software you are running so you should probably take a pic of your MPU board and chips as well.  :89-

welcome to NLG!!  :137- :137- :137- :137-

Where do these two red wires lead to?   :209- :129- >>>

I am going to try the coin mech in a min, no codes so that is good.  everything else works on the machine as far as I know, under the coin optic there is a little white button, when I push that the machine credits and everything works, when I close the door and reach through the front glass and push the button noting happens, but I feel this is normal.  here is the two pics I can post this timem the two red wires as u can see in the pic go to two AA bats that are hooked to the board.  If you want a pic of the inside I will do.  I wrote down the chip info, c35 game prom is sp1048 and c36 reel prom is 3411. 

I turned counterclockwise and back 1/4 powerd on, closed the door reels reset put some 1/4s through but just dropped straight through.  And here are more pics.  Like I said 1/2 the board is dark brown like it is burnt.  Also I see pics with a white button next to the power switch, I do not have that button, do I use my jackpot reset key in its place?

And some more pics.

One of the board chips and one where the batt wires are soldered.

It's right behind the power switch, mounted on the back of the power switch enclosure. Reach your left index finger around the back and your finger will be on the self-test button. :89-

Found it Thanks!!!

Your coin comparitor looks like a cc-16-d 100 rev. f. The capacitor on the board is the most common problem with those comparitors, the capacitor is the long cylindrical part positioned vertically on the board. A good shop can replace the capacitor, otherwise you may need to get another one. The capacitor is usually a 220uf 35v Axial Capacitor.

Is there a way to test it?  If it was a diode I would just jump it to check but never messed with a capacitor. :139-  Nevermind, I just looked it up and I might try this eve.  Will let you know what I find out.

Hey guys, how many wires are connected to the S+ CC-16 ??
I see five wires connected in the above pic and that seems at least one too many. But I'm the Universal guy, not IGT.

The wiring is right Uniman ( 3 wires on the harness and the red loopback)
but the soldering job is terrible on the pins!
Someone didn't know how to take the pins out when they broke the wires off of them.
So they soldered the wires to the pins while the pins were still in the plastic housing!  :72-

I would suggest a new coin comparator harness and a new coin comparator at this time.
Placing an ad in the "Classifieds" section of NLG for these parts ought to do the trick.

I'm guessing this is a winner?INDIVIDUAL WBA SS CASH HANDLING PARTS.

 


TRANSPORT UNIT WITH HEAD:  WE CARRY USED SS-12 THESE WILL ACCEPT NEW100's 20's BIG HEAD 5's AND OLD BILLS ALL 4 WAYS, EVEN UPSIDE DOWN!

Item Name: WBA SS-12 DBV UPDATED FOR NEW 20'S
Item Number: SS-12 DBV
Price: $100.00
   JCM WBA SS-12 DBV

             
 

 

Yes the solidering sucks!  I did not do it as it came this way.  I did a continuity test on all pins and all worked if you can imagine! 

There's a couple of issues in regards to installing a WBA-12 BV in your machine.  #1, it appears to be missing the power supply.  It's normally mounted to the on the left side of the bill validator frame.  #2, your connector on the rear of the frame is for a WBA-10/11 BV.  You'll need to replace it too.  Lastly, made sure that you get a BV transport with the proper protocol ID for your machine.  S+ should be ID022/023

Isn't it funny what you learn when you read what is right in front of you?  Do you think this has something to do with it not accepting coins, or does it not matter if you have an american coin in it.  Or do I need to find a Canadian coin and try?  Why would you reject an american quarter anyway? Look down at next post for pic I forgot it.

Here is the pic.

If you have a American coin as a sample coin in the comparator, you must use American coins.

The S+ has 3 line coming from the machine to the comparitor, but there is a jumper wire on the plug making it look like 5.

Well I guess thats not it, I pulled out the circuit board so I could see the light when the door is closed and it is on now, but still rejecting coins.  STUMPED :76-

If the capacitor is bad, the red light will still light up, but it will reject coin still. change the capacitor and it should fix the problem.

Well It worked for about 12 quarters then went back to rejecting them.  I think it has to do with the magnet that runs the diverter thing in the back.  If I take it apart and wire wheel it and move it around it works, then goes back to rejecting.  So I will have to wait for the new one.

The rectangular hole cutout for the rake is quite narrow.
There is very little rake adjustment allowance via the 2 screws that
hold the solenoid to the metal coin comparator casing.
I'd try loosening those two screws and see if you can get a better
alignment with the rake so it doesn't ouch the hole opening.
Once you see that the rake isn't touching the edges of the hole - tighten up the 2 screws.

You can also physically bend the rake's arm a little to get it slightly closer
to the magnet so when it's energized - it pulls it better?
Don't bend it too much towards the magnet though or the
rake won't get out of the way of the coins falling through.

                                    OR

Take it off completely...lol
Why would a slot homeowner want the coins to get rejected & fall back into the tray?

I will try messing with it and see what I can come up with.  It seems to stop taking quarters if I have to open the door and reclose it.  Might keep working might not.  Intermittent problems are the worst!!

Intermittent problems are basically caused by two things -
one>> a connection is loose.
two>> a connection heats up and becomes loose.

One way to check your comparator to put it in the freezer for 1 hour
then take it out and install it in your machine and try it out.
If the intermittent problem comes back within 15 minutes of game play,
there's a bad trace or cold solder joint on an IC compponent.

Door Optics ???????????????????

I would think if the dor optics had problems nothngi would reset, when the door is closed the game goes through the rest and clears everything(test credits ect.).

I don't think your optics are bad. I'm just wondering if your getting the door latch all the way down so the optics are seeing each other.

I don't know what happend but I filled it with quarters and it has worked without a hitch for a week now!  I couldn't be happier!!  Thanks for all your help and the stuff that was sent via e-mail!!  It will come in handy.  Hopefully now I can one day post a pic of someone with my machine and a JACKPOT!!!  Machine only pays what it has in it though!  HAHA :95-

I guess the machine was just plain hungry!  :72-


I get the same way too sometimes....lol

I need one more thing, I got my wba today, and everything works, but when I put in a bill it spits the credits out in quarters.  Can I change this?  I want it to sty as credits in the machine.  WBA 11 S+

Read this >>>

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm)


and tell us what SP chip you have and I'll post up some
instructions on how to change it to the way you want!  :89-

Here it is, Sorry if this posts twice, can you tell me why it says peppers on it?  It is a Wild Cherry machine.  Are the game formats the same?  I bought the head, transport, cashbox, and power supply at the link at the top, Slot Machines LTD. and they were very helpfull.  A big thank you to them.  And also to all of you for the help!!   

Long shot.. maybe from the Peppermill casino in Vegas?

I live in Michigan, and the glass/bv/and buttons have english on the top and I think french on the bottem.  I would guess it came from a Canadian casino.  It does say it takes Canadian currency.  Here is a link to a pic.  (may not work) http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10843.0;attach=29061

It does say that...wow!

Anyways, with the power off, remove the MPU and turn dip switch #4 to the off position.
Re-install the MPU and turn on the power switch....leave the door open.
Once the power is on and the machine is booted up, press the little white test button
next to the power switch twice...

Then turn the reset key until you see a single zero in
the Coins Played display and a 8-1 in the Winner Paid display.
Using the spin button, press it until you turn the 1 into a 2.

Then you close the door and you oughta be in business!
If not, read the PSR attached to this post below....
There's a lotta mumble jumble in it that is bound to confuse the heck oughta ya! lol >>>

No clue whatsoever.  The game itself (Wild Cherry, Hot Peppers, etc.) is determined by the SS chip, not the SP chip.  (The SP chip is kinda like the operating system for the slot, and can (typically) support many different themes.)  It's very strange, but you can pretty much ignore the fact that the word PEPPER is printed on the label.

So.......where's the salty chips? ( cue " rim shot "  )   :182- :257- ::)



http://www.youtube.com/v/oShTJ90fC34?fs=1&hl=en_US (http://www.youtube.com/v/oShTJ90fC34?fs=1&hl=en_US)