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Morning all, got a Haywire 3 reel, for my birthday and got some problems with it. done a little looking on here and tried to fix some of them but I am a little under water lol. It is an IGT S-PLUS mfd 1989. has a JCM DBV-145-PB2-0500-A544 bill acceptor. sucks a bill in and holds it. tried to reset it with the self test and jackpot key but think i screwed it up. any info on self test settings and dip settings on the JCM would be helpful. Loving the machine but trouble shooting material is hard to find.

You said the DBV "holds it"...
Does the DBV spit the bill back out?
Do you have any error codes on the display?
Close the door with the latch fully down and tell us what numbers come up.\

Stick in a $1 dollar bill.

no error codes, takes bill almost all the way in to the can but stops like the signal is trying to be approved.

Does it come back out?
If not, check the pathway to the can.
Maybe something's blocking it?

and sorry holds bill no send back until you reset

Just the simple act of lifting the handle latch up then pushing fully down resets the machine.
There's no need to turn the Jackpot key or press the little white Test button.
Did the bill acceptor work when you first got it?
Make sure the cash can is fully inserted all the way back into the holder.
The gears need to mesh.

wasn't working when i first got it, dad told me it worked and dosn't know when it quit working. is there a setting in the input mode that sets up the bill acceptor?

is this bill acceptor located next to the hopper, or is it next to the reels?

to the right of the reels

you probably have a western money system in your machine. If I recall there were two types of aftermarket units put on S+ machines. unless you can find a working sub. then I think you might have to deal with the machine as it is.  I don't think any of the aftermarket units could be upgraded to a 200 head.  If your system has an old money chip in it then thats what it is. they used a top stack system similiar to Bally.  with a door on the side to remove the cash can.


Jim 

yep, no door though, turn key and unit slides out cash can and all

have an s+ machine haywire mfd1989 w/dbv-145 top load transport w/eprom attached to bvd assy. how do you setup bvd ex. 9-1, 22 or 23 settings and denomination. it is a .50 machine that takes 2 quaters. walk me through it while i still have some hair left.








Merged from JCM-DBV bill validator board.  SF :31-

Oh! I remember those things....it's actually inside of the
machine cabinet against the right wall!
They have gray ribbon cable on the floor of it and a hole in the
metal base plate where you can see the eprom chips.
Those things are ancient!
They had a triangular base bracket which bolted to the reel shelf.

They cannot be upgraded at all I believe...?
You may be only able to use bills made prior to 1990...old bills.
Before the vertical lines were put in them.
They were made by a company called "Sevens Systems Inc."

A friend of mine who sells machines throws away those old Western Money System validators -- he says that they're much more trouble than they're worth.

here is what it is doing now lol, when you reset the bvd makes several noises and the transoprter runs to the top of the tray and no insert bill light will come on. still takes coins, but no bills. it has an upgraded bvd-45 new $ eprom installed. any ideas?

also give me a run down on waht i can replace it with? a bvd 200? will power supply work?

You're gonna to need to change the DBV power supply and get a shorter reel shelf.
slot machines unlimited has them >>>

Mike
What game chip are you using? Some of the older game chips will do that on a newer bv

SP 1085

That one should work fine. that is not the problem.

mike5c55, I merged your two threads. There is no need to start a second thread on the same issue; it only causes confusion when members end up posting in both topics.


Post is now reply #11 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10925.msg94962#msg94962) in this thread.


StatFreak :31-
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In the interest of clarification:

BVD:
(http://i53.tinypic.com/5nrj14.jpg)
("Bradley, Voorhees & Day")


DBV:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/zyc36b.png)
("Dollar Bill Validator")

 :71-

I wonder what knagl would have put up if he had said VDB?  :96-

I can understand that you want to get this up and running, apparently the stacker is not working, somewhere on the unit should be the name of the company who made it. you could google the name and see if they are still in business. perhaps they would have parts or offer service.

without seeing the machine ,I'll guess the main logic board is located along the front left wall, that's why the bill acceptor is where it is.  In my opinion its not worth it to attempt to modify the machine. You could probably buy a different machine with a factory bill acceptor cheaper than you could trying to get this bill acceptor working.

you CANNOT add a bill acceptor to this machine WITHOUT major modifications.there simply isn't enough room. that's why the bill acceptor is where it is.

S+ models like yours were changed to accept factory bv's. board was moved to the back of the machine, hopper was moved over to the left, etc. to make room.

Jim

thanks, got it working, only takes dollar bills. gonna get a BVD oops, i mean DBV-200 lol. anyone know where i can get a transporter?

Glad you got it working.  It will probably take "old style" $5 bills (as in, bills from 10+ years ago, before they did the large portrait makeover) too.

I'm not familiar with the inner workings of those bill validators that are mounted next to the reels, but I'm not sure that you can just change the head to a DBV-200 and be good to go -- at a minimum, you'd need to change the power supply, too, as the DBV-145 power supply won't work for the 200.

Awesome, got the power supply and the head on the way. My dad gave me the slot so i won't get rid of it lol. he had it for over 20 yrs.

should i post that picture of the cash box on the validator forum?

Might as well just keep the whole thing in this thread, Mike.

Good luck with the upgrade -- let us know how it goes!

If your dad bought that thing 20 years ago, it must not have seen too much casino use, and it must have cost a small fortune.

Think it was around $3000.00, and thanks.

Another question? The upgrade chip I bought, does it go on the dbv or the slot c.b.? in case i ever run across this agian? see pic

If it was a chip for the DBV, yes, it goes where you've pictured it -- attached to the head of the validator.  The bill validator is more or less a stand-alone add-on to the S+ slot machine, and the MPU (circuit board) of the slot machine doesn't do much of anything when it comes to the bill validator.

got it thanks

There's 6 screws that hold that plate with the rectangular hole down in there.
Remove the screws and you'll be able to get the old chip out.
These chips are directional...there's a little notch on one end.
Make sure you put the new chip in the same way you took the old one out!

Also, watch out for the new chip having legs that are bent
outwards a touch wider than the socket holes.
It's really easy to bend a leg.

If you bend a leg, just bend it back straight.
I like placing one side of the legs into a row of socket holes than gently squeezing the
raised legs inwards to get them in the other row of socket holes.

After you've inserted the new eprom, closely inspect the legs to make
sure every single leg is in their respective holes.
It's also easy to miss a leg being bent flat inwards under the chip's body and not even in the hole.

I really don't know what you intend to do with power supply you bought?  the unit must provide its own power source from within. the unit I have and have seen on other machines is all self contained. there were no external supplies associated with these units when I removed them from machines. the 145 head in the unit has a input bezel similar to the "sh" version used on Bally and Williams and Sigma. If you ordered a "SS" type it may be difficult to insert the bills. the "SS" type require a add on type bezel. I don't know alot about this system, I am guessing the chip in the unit that is visible is for interfacing with the S+ machine, the chip for upgrading to a newer type currency was always located inside the 145 head itself. and because its a 145 head when you attempt to upgrade, you have to get the right chip with the right protocol burnt into it. there are no provisions to select between the two on a 145 head.

Hopefully someone out here has more knowledge about these systems and could advise you .

Good Luck in your endeavors .
I have attached photos of the two types of aftermarket systems that I have come across.
 

Most people open the lid on that trash can and let them fall in... :96-
But you're like me...you hoard old parts for fun and historical value... :97-

Do we need to send the TV cameras and that Hoarders show to your place. :79- :79-

Ron (r273)

I guess I was under the impression from the picture he posted that the chip he was showing was mounted on the underside of the head -- it's tough to tell from the picture, and I'm not very familiar with the setup he has.

That chip is mounted on a sled that slides the whole unit into the slot. and a 200ss won't work because you have to remove the board from the dbv head and mount it to the base.(wires aren't long enough) and the pin connectors are different (molex). this super sucks. looks like i am stuck with dollar bills yall!!!! lol.

May I offer a suggestion?

According to the list I have, a SP1011 will work for your game and allows $0.01 denom and tokenization.  You could turn your machine into a "penny" machine that runs on quarters.  If you insert a quarter, it would give you 25 credits.  If you insert a dollar bill, it will give you 100 credits.  If you have 200 credits in the machine and press "cash out", the game will give you 8 quarters ($2.00).

You'd need to buy a couple of new chips for your game, but it would (in my opinion) make it a better setup for home use with a validator that's only good for $1 biils.

Did you ever try traditional 20^th century 5, 10, 20. etc. bills?
If standard money (before the government decided to redecorate every two seconds :5-) works, you could keep some around to use in the machine.

On a similar note, Just set the the BV denomination $.01. That way the rest of the machine works as normal. A quarter will give 1 credit. But a dollar will give you 100 credits. That's how I had mine set up to quickly load up credits but still keep it as a $.25 machine with correct hopper payouts..