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I just picked up a Coral Reef S+ machine.  I replaced the battery, did a ram clear, and a den om and BB set.  I had one problem after I removed the den om/BB chip and reinstalled the game chip.  When I turned the machine back on I did receive a "61" in the display, I then pressed the white button but never got "61.....1", it just went blank.  The reels starting spinning a few seconds later.  I closed the door, turned the jackpot reset, and the machine reinitialized.  The BB never cycled, but the machine plays fine with coins.  I replaced the BB power supply and that wasn't it.  I removed the plug from the BB power supply to the machine power supply.  I put the red lead from my multimeter where the red would have been, and the black lead where the black wire would have been.  My meter is set on 20 DCV, and I'm getting a reading that fluctuates between .2 and .6.  Is it safe to assume the 12V on machine power supply is bad?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.              

I need to ask of you, what in the world is a "BB set" ?  :129- :128-

Sorry it is a typo, it is supposed to be BV (Bill Validator)

IF you have the DBV-145 or 200 in your machine the power to the head and transport is the 6 pin connector on the left side of the head.
On my power supply the wire colors are red and brown.
You want the top and bottom pin of the connector that are closest to the front of the machine or the left side of the 6 pin connector as you are looking at the connector side

Can we back up a few steps? When you power up the machine, does the the BV do anything at all? Does the transport cycle at all?

And this:

If you are measuring the voltage going INTO the BV power supply, it is ac not dc

I'd like to go back even further if I can...


After you use a Clear chip, you must put the SP chip back in THEN
take the SP chip back out and install the SET chip.

It's possible that if you use a SET chip without first installing the SP eprom,
the machine may not keep the SET chip settings you've programmed -
in other words, you might have to put the SET chip back in, set the
game for a quarter and then re-enable the DBV.
Then re-install the SP eprom and re-boot the MPU.

I could be wrong on this as I do NOT have a machine nearby...
and I'm not sure if you've already done this or not.

I'll throw out there, too, that a few SP chips bypass the 61-1 step and just go straight to the "maiden spin" after a 61, which it sounds like happened with you.  What SP chip is in there?  Do you have the PSR for it?  If so, dig through it (or we can help you) and find how to see if the bill validator is enabled and if the denomination is set.

Poppo asked a good, important question:


If it does not, then don't bother looking at the settings as the issue is in your validator or its power supply.  The bill validator should cycle and make some noise when the machine is powered on regardless of whether it's correctly enabled or not.

I have to agree that sometimes it surprises me that it goes directly to the "maiden spin"
after a chip change & booting up the MPU.

I begin to wonder if I had already put in the board before and had forgotten?  :97-
Makes me think that sometimes I have a voodoo machine.... :208-

Wow, thank you all for responding!!
 
The bill validator does absolutely nothing when the machine is powered up, not a beep, not a peep, nothing!
When I tested the 3 prong female plug on the machine power supply that the BV power supply plugs into, I had it on AC first but didn't get much of reading which is the reason I then tested it on DC.  I also checked the fuses and they're all good.   
My multimeter tips are too big to fit into the holes in the 6 pin connector on the left side of the bill validator head.
My game chip doesn't have anything on it, and I don't know what a PSR is.
After I used the Clear chip, I did reinstall the SP chip and followed the instructions, then took the SP chip back out and installed the SET chip.
Did I miss anything?
 

Ok, so it sounds like the BV is not getting power. But before we go any farther, what model BV do you have. There should be a label on the head like DBV-145 or DBV-200 or something. As mentioned the BV should cycle when the unit is powered up. So forget about clear chips and set chips for now.

Oh, pictures always help.

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I also neglected to mention that my very first slot was a Coral Reef (hence my avatar).  Beware -- the machines tend to multiply!

poppo - I have a DBV-200, I have attached a picture of it. 

knagl - I came across your post before I posted mine, it's ironic because one of your problems was the bill validator also.   

Ok. Does your BV power supply have vent slots along the edge? If it doesn't it's a BV-145 power supply and may not work as it can't supply enough current.

Is the other end of the power supply (the two cables that go to one molex) plugged in good to the harness? From your earlier post, I am not sure what power supply connector you were looking at. You said:

"I removed the plug from the BV power supply to the machine power supply."

Refer to the schematic above and you should have 115vac on pins 7&9 of that 9 pin molex. They are the white and black wires on the BV power supply side. You should be able to stick meter leads in there with everything connected.

That is funny -- two Coral Reefs with DBV issues when purchased.

That said, my validator cycled when powered on -- I just couldn't get it to enable since there was a wire snipped in the harness of my machine.  It sounds like your power supply is either dead or not supplying enough voltage.

OK, here's what I found out:

The BV power supply DOES have vents.

The molex connector from the BV power supply was plugged in good to the harness.

I got 124V AC from the harness plug.

Based on that either the replacement BV power supply I just bought is bad, or the the bill validator head itself is bad, correct?

You could try measuring the 12Vdc out of the power supply as shown above. The head could be bad since it passes power to the transport. I would suspect the power supply first even if you did replace it. 

As you suspect, it appears my replacement bv power supply is bad. 

I previously tried to test it but my multimeter tips wouldn't fit into the holes, so I just inserted paper clips into the holes, then clipped alligator clips to the paper clips and then to the multimeter tips; I got absolutely no reading. 

I will get another bv power supply and let you know what happens.

Thank you to everyone for their help!!

There is a fuse inside of the BV power supply. At this point it could not hurt to take it apart and check it out. But if the fuse blew, it may have been for a reason.

Trace the harness back from the BV and its power supply make sure that a connector and/or has not come loose or broken.
The machine harness splits into 2 directions one going to the motherboard (BV Communications) and 120V AC from the top of the S+ Power supply.
Make sure that a connector back there didnt accidently come loose or a wire has broken.

There are at lease 4 connectors plugged in back there.
one for each fluorescent light and 1 for the BV.
I have an extra one there for BV Sticker on the door. its to the far right the ones you want to check are the small ones on the left and center.

But he has good 120VAC going into the BV power supply and nothing coming out. I know you can run make a BV head and transport cycle with just applying 120VAC to the BV power supply (I've done this on the bench outside of the machine).

I checked all the connectors and everything is plugged in firmly.

I took the BV power supply apart and it is definitely blown, it looks like it got pretty hot.  The back of the board is all black, the solder must have melted off the big round capacitor because it is real loose, and the fuse is blown.  I'm sure the power supply was blown when I received it because I definitely would have smelled it if my machine caused it.

I purchased another BV power supply and I'll let you know when I get installed.

Thanks you again for everyone's help!!

Hopefully you'll have good news to report.  Make sure that the new power supply you get has vents in the box -- the ones that don't have the vents are for the DBV-145, and won't have enough juice to properly power the 200.

OK.......I have some good news and some bad news.

I got my replacement bill validator power supply, installed it, and now the bill validator cycles like it should, and the light comes on like it is ready to accept bills.  I tried to put singles in it, it takes them, and then spits them back out.  I then re-setup the coin mech and bill validator.  No change.  I also bought a replacement bill validator head in case the old one was bad.  I installed it, it takes the bills in, keeps it in momentarily and the "insert coin" light flickers, and then it spits it back out.  Any idea on what the problem is?

What SP chip are you using? We were just discussing this in another thread that if the BV ID is set wrong it will turn on the bezel but reject bills. You can always (with power off) flip dip switch #10 on the BV head and see what happens. That is the one closest to the smaller bank of switches. So try with all dip switches off. And then with just #10 on.

Also, you may try cleaning the belts on the transport. If the belts are not grabbing, it will reject the bills.

I flipped switch #10 to on, and same thing.  I also swapped out the transport with a known good one from another one of machines, and same thing.   

Without a doubt, as poppo said, it's the wrong ID on the validator for the machine.  What SP chip do you have, and is there any indication on the DBV as to what ID it is programmed for (it should be 22/23 selectable by the DIP switches, but we need to make sure) Edit: I see in reply #11 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=11262.msg98038#msg98038) that the sticker says it's ID022/23.

Did you have the power off when you changed DIP switch 10?  Are you positive you were flipping switch 10 and not 1?

Just so you can be orientated correctly. Off is toward the chip.
Note: Yours may have a flash chip and not a socketed one. Same thing.

I double checked and I did flip switch #10 on on the new bill validator, I have also attached a picture of the top of the new validator.  I don't know what 2.40-04-03 means.  I checked the old validator and #1,#2, and #10 are on, should I filp #1 and #2 off and try it again?  I tried flipping #1,#2, and #10 on the new one, and the light never came on.         

and there are no numbers or anything on my game chip.

Look at the chart above. 1-6 'on' will reject the those bills. So like I said, first try with ALL switches off first (most common setting). Then try with just 10 on if that doesn't work.  You must power cycle it when flipping switches.

We can figure out the SP number in a bit. Try this first.

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In fact, it's generally best (with any electrical device that uses DIP switches) to have the power OFF when changing DIP switch settings.


To determine your SP chip even though it doesn't have a label, follow these directions:

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/SPSS.htm)

It's sounding like the main problem was dip 1 & 2 being on. That would reject the singles he was trying. While good to know the SP# and how to determine it, it's going to be one ID or the other. So either all switches off, or all off except for #10. I'm betting if he flips them all off it will work.

I'm back, sorry for the delay.

OK, I flipped all of the switches off and it rejected the bills.  I flipped switch 10 on and it also rejected bills.  I just used that transport in another one of machines last week and it worked without a problem, maybe I will put back in the other machine and test it again. 

I also checked to see what game and reel chips I have, and it doesn't make sense according to the instructions.  With a 4 displayed in the coins played window, the numbers 4239 and 5 flashed back and forth in the winner paid window, and only the number 0708 was displayed in the credits window (it never flashed to another number). 

Maybe a bad game chip??????   

SS4239 is a valid chip number for a 2-coin Coral Reef game (not sure what the deal was the flashing "5").  SP708 is a valid SP chip number that supports Type 5 games (Coral Reef is Type 5).

From the PSR for the SP708, which got me thinking about something...

Do you know what denomination your machine is set to by chance (not whether it takes quarters, but the denom that is set up in the self test menu with the use of the set chip)?

To be perfectly clear, too, when you say it's rejecting the bills, it's taking the bill in, holding it for a second or two, and then spitting it out, right?


Edited to add: The PSR doesn't say it, but our SP/ST list (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=68.0) identifies that SP chip as being for ID022, so if that's accurate, you need to have DIP switch 10 set to ON (with everything else off).

I set it up to take quarters.  I don't remember setting up a "bill limit" with the set chip, I believe the only thing in the instructions was turning the bill validator on. 

You are correct, it's taking the bill in, holding it for a second or two, and then spitting it out.

   

I'm pretty sure it is the game type combination. I get a 2 on my Double Jackpot Haywire game/reel chip combo.

I'm stumped.  It almost seems like the head isn't switching protocols when you switch the DIP switch -- that's the only thing I can think of.

Please don't take this as talking down to you or anything, but you're sure that switch 10 (and not switch 1) is set to ON, and the others are set to OFF?  I just can't think of any other reason why you're getting the results that you are.



Could it be set to $25 by mistake, by chance, instead of $0.25?  With that, it would still give one credit per quarter inserted, but wouldn't accept anything less than a $50 (and the $50 or $100 would likely need to be an older (non-colorized) style bill).  For kicks, it might be worth going through the SET chip procedure again.




Aah, well, that makes sense as Coral Reef is Type 5.

There is another step. With the SET chip in:

Press the test button and look for 9_0.
Press the spin button to set it to 9_1 (turns on the DBV)
Press test button until 6 appears in the coin played window.
0 appears in credit meter.
Press the spin button to increment through the available denominations. Numbers are in cents (2500 = $25)
When the desired denomination is in the credits window, press the test button to set it.

If the denomination is set to 0 it won't work.

There is another step. With the SET chip in:

Press the test button and look for 9_0.
Press the spin button to set it to 9_1 (turns on the DBV)
Press test button until 6 appears in the coin played window.
0 appears in credit meter.
Press the spin button to increment through the available denominations. Numbers are in cents (2500 = $25)
When the desired denomination is in the credits window, press the test button to set it.

The spin button doesn't do anything after 0 appears in credit meter.

Interesting.  It certainly should, otherwise you can't set the denomination (and your machine won't know how many credits to give for a dollar, so it won't work)!

Try it again using these instructions (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/dbv.htm).

Is there a label on your SET chip to indicate what it is (like "SET015" or "SET090")?

I don't remember - can you change the denomination with a SET if there are credits on the machine? :103-

To Billk - if there are credits, get them off first and try again. It can't hurt. There are certain settings you can't change if there are credits. Just not sure if this if one of them.

It would make sense that you can't -- otherwise your four $0.25 credits could turn into $4 if you changed it from $0.25 to $1.   :89-

There are no credits on the board, and it is a set 15 chip.  Is that the wrong set chip? 

It 'should' be ok. It does let you enable/disable the BV beteen 9_0 and 9_1 correct? Is it still at 9_1 when you put the SET chip in? If so, you might want to toggle it off and then back on and then see if it will let you set the denomination.

When you put the set chip in, what options (displays) do you get as you press the self test button? Are there any options that the spin button is lit?

Assuming that the data on the chip is a SET015, it should work with your chip.  (Sometimes someone will label it as a 15 but it'll actually be programmed with something else.)

As much as I hate to suggest using a clear chip, this might be a good time to try it to clear all of the settings in the motherboard and see if your SET chip behaves properly.  Try poppo's suggestion of disabling the validator, power on with the normal game chip, then back to the set chip and re-enable and see if it'll let you set the denom first.  If not, then think about clearing and trying again.

OK, I will try those 2 suggestions tonight and report back.  However, I am confused.  I have 2 different sets of instructions and they both say that I am setting the coin denomination of machine when I press the spin button after I turn the bill validator on (when 9-1 appears in winner paid window), from 0 - 5 is nickel, 10 is dime, 25 is quarter, and 100 is dollar, there isn't an option higher than 100.  There is nothing about setting the denominations for the bill validator.  Is it possible that that the set 15 does not set the denomination for the bill validator?         

It's possible but that depends on what SP chip you're using.

It appears to be an SP708.

Start reading>>>


Set–chip   IGT utility program SET005, SET015 or SET017 is required to modify the denomination and enable/disable the bill acceptor. If the bill acceptor is disabled, the denomination can be set in the self test mode.  SET017 is required to select the SAS EFT option.  IGT SAS must be specified as the accounting system communication type in the self test mode before the SAS EFT option can be selected with the set-chip.

FEATURES AND CAPABILITIES
Bill Acceptor   JCM compatible; can accept $1 to $100 bills.  Rowe compatibility limited; can accept $1 to $20 bills.  Enable/disable with the set–chip.  The game will automatically disable the bill acceptor if the denomination is set to either $500 or $1,000.  If the Credit Only option for paying bill credits is selected, the bill is paid as credits regardless of the current player initiated credit/non–credit selection.
Bill Rejection
Feature   Bills will be rejected if any of the following conditions occur:  a $5 bill is inserted and the game denomination is $2, a $50 bill is inserted and the game denomination is $20, the game denomination is higher than the bill denomination, or the credit value of the accepted bill plus any credits on the game would exceed the bill limit that is set in the self test mode.
Denomination
Modifications   Requires the denomination set–chip, unless the bill acceptor and SAS EFT option is disabled, in which case the denomination is set in the self test mode.  When the denomination is set to zero (none), the bill acceptor is disabled (if present), the game will not display progressive amounts and all progressive wins will cause the game to go to a hand–pay lockup condition.  Can be set at $.05, $.10, $.25, $.50, $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $25, $50, $100 or zero (none).  If the SAS EFT option is selected (using the set–chip), the denomination can also be set at $500 or $1,000.

Not that I'm aware of.  It would defeat the purpose of the set chip if you couldn't set the denomination, as you can't use the bill validator without a denomination set (the machine doesn't know how many credits for a dollar without setting the denomination).

Ok, so that is pretty standard. The question remains why he can't change the denomination with the set chip unless he is not actually enabling the BV.



No, as noted above, if the BV is dissabled you set the denomination in self test mode. If the BV is enabled, you use the set chip.

This is what is confusiong me.
"they both say that I am setting the coin denomination of machine when I press the spin button after I turn the bill validator on (when 9-1 appears in winner paid window), from 0 - 5 is nickel, 10 is dime, 25 is quarter, and 100 is dollar, there isn't an option higher than 100."

First where are you seeing this (the highlighted)? In the self test or the with the set chip? If you are doing it in self test, then the BV is not enabled.

After you change the 9_0 to 9_1 with the set chip, exactly what are you doing next. Pressing the spin button at that point 'should' only toggle the BV on and off. You should have to press the self test button again to get the denomination settings. That is why I asked what displays on each press of the self test button with the set chip in. Are you actually getting to a point where you can toggle those denomination settings? If so, be sure to press the self test button after you are done to 'save' the setting. If you have just been changing the 9_0 to 9_1 and exiting, it may not be saving the setting because you didn't set a denomination.

I will have to get back to you on Tuesday. 

Thank you again for everyones help!

Tuesday?  :72-







http://www.youtube.com/v/6DVCgKsqn30?fs=1&hl=en_US

Interesting. You thought of the Stones, and I thought of Popeye and Wimpy.  :150-

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They did have a psych evalutions done on me this morning...
I had to take some pills in a plastic cup but I tucked them under my tongue...  :200-

Is your tongue properly sedated?  :96- :96- :96-  ... ...  Oh, excuse me. I meant  :47- :47- :47-


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they said pee in the cup not drink out of it   :279- :279- :279-

I didn't see any letters in the bottom?  :5-

Everyone uses the same cup. They only have one   :25-

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This thread has definitely bottomed out. :127-  :97- :97- :97-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axMmRTD_AuY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axMmRTD_AuY)

Well, we gotta do something in the meantime 'cause we gotta
wait for that guy to get back like next Tuesday?!?! lol

He only said Tuesday. Not WHICH Tuesday.  :96-

What can I say? You're both right.  :47-   I guess that cup is going to get quite disgusting by the time he gets back...  :40- :40- :86- :86- :86-  

No wet, yellow-tinted pills for me, thanks. I'm trying to quit.  :25-  :81- :58- :58-   :18-   :222-   :126-   :256-


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