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I think this is my first Rant, well it's more of a pet peeve.   I'll keep my swearing out of it so i don't have to moderate it.

   I often see classified posts for items that I think may not gain buyers for several reasons including price.  Many of these prompt "concerned people" to create replies to tell the sellers what their item is really worth.  I think these posts are ignorant and prevent more people from offering items in the classified since the "concerned members" may post what they think the items are worth.  Who gives a darn what the asking price is on something, either PM the person if you think it's out of line or just sit back and chuckle to yourself.  If someone has a similar item they wish to sell for less, then list it.  The comparison pricing may actually help you.  If you want the item and it's priced higher than you want to pay, PM an offer of what you want to pay, maybe they'll accept, maybe they wont.   I like to peruse the classified section and have bought items, but never sold items there.  The more items listed the merrier to me.  If I want a Gamemaker board and know that they are currently going for $50 on eBay, but see one here from a member I trust for $60, maybe I'll contact them and either buy or offer $50, but I sure as anything won't post that they are going for $50 on ebay as a reply to their post.

  Hey this is a forum and people will do as they like since it's not in person, that's why this is a rant and not a rule.



Thanks for reading,
Wayne

Bravo Wayne!  I'm glad you posted this.  Thread crapping/hijacking is about the most uncool practice on any forum...especially when it comes to buying and selling.  Private messaging works wonders keeping the peace.

Thanks,
Jason

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CaptainHappy :95-
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I have a feeling I know what thread may be in question.

FWIW, a while back I had asked the higher ups about another practice of people listing items for sale without any asking price but taking offers via PM. Basically making it a private auction. I felt that is what e-bay was for. But in the reply, I was told that there was no rule against that, AND that it was also ok to point out if someone was asking too much for something they were selling.

So I fail to see what the harm is in pointing out alternatives to people, especially if it is a new member who may not know better. If people want to offer something to someone in a WTB ad, they should send their price via PM. And if it was that thread that prompted this one, I would have made the exact same post whether there were any other replies or not.

  It has nothing to do with any single specific post, so you don't know, well maybe you do now that I told you.  :96-

 
I'm not sure that you read my post at all since this has nothing to do with that.  People posting items is great, no matter whether they show the price, solicit PMs for the price or take best offers.  Discouraging people from posting items by attacking the pricing of items in posts is what I posted above, please read it again.

As always, thanks for your post/opinion,
Wayne

But that is what was also addressed when I was talking to the higher ups about the other practice. Basically I was asking about the classifieds rules in general since I never saw any posted. I was told that no rules were needed because it is generally 'self policing' by people pointing out when items are over priced. So I interpreted that response as meaning it was almost encouraged to comment on pricing if it's out of line. I'm not saying I agree with that, but it was the reply I got. :103-

Check your PM in a few so maybe everyone is on the same page.

We can still make fun of REALLY overpriced stuff we find on ebay and craigslist though, right? Heck, I got stepped on for the post on the CR2354 batteries the other day. Thought it was a good deal found out it wasn't so much. Although in my defense, when I was origionally looking for those, there weren't any hints about mouser or whomever. I think someone recommended happ, but that was it and they were too expensive.

We have a separate section for that, though... and man are there some funny posts there!  :200- :200- :200-

I  fill that if you reallly wamt to sell something  you should post a price here  , there only a handfull of people in this group that have too much free time, most of us don,t have the time to chase a seller that don,t post a price or is fishing, if the posted price is too high then we can email each other and try to maske a deal , also I  think post where the item is for sale from state  ect  would help, shipping is going up every day, Remember just because you see it for sale on ebay for 2200 don,t mean its worth  that ,We bought a old seebreg juke  6 months ago , soon as i saw it I knew I wanted it ,When I asked the price 1st thing they did was show me a print out from ebay for 3700, at that point i started to leave, they were in shock, asked why  i told them if they wanted ebay price or even 1/2 of it they should restore it and get it running, they left the room  came back asked for a offer , i said 500, they came back at 700  , i bought it for 600, 5 years ago it was worth 4500 to 6000 today , maybe 1500 , also they told me they got it for 100 after we made the deal so there still are a few people than don,t beleave ebay ,  pawn guy,s or the pickers
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Great day all
Steve

There is no sense in over complicating what Wayne is saying here, which by the way I agree with 100%.  What he's talking about is basic ethics and common sense.  The inability of some of the members of this site from butting their noses in where it had no place being in the first place is beyond me as well.  The concept is simple...A person may list something for sale and list it with a fixed price if they so desire.  They may also list it with no price and say "talking offers" and then you PM them.  It's a simple concept fellas.

EBay or FleaBay does not dictate market price.  Instead it is often the place where sellers offload items that are not properly tested or known to be bad.  You are buying cheap and you are also buying at a risk as often the ads on there clarify it with "as-is untested"..."you buy it you bought it".  Sometimes it works out for you and sometimes it does not.

The price of an item is always what someone is willing to pay.  Some people buy and willing to pay the price based on several factors.

1)  Location.  Some things are heavy and cost a fortune to ship and if you can drive a few hours to pick it up versus paying a couple few hundred in freight then maybe it's worth paying the price.

2)  Reputation.  Some things are bought from a certain person or vendor based on the fact they know they are buying a good part or machine that is going to be backed up and warranted if something goes wrong in the near future.  You don't get this on Ebay often.

3)  Support.  Not everyone knows everything about the part or machine they are buying and therefore buy from someone that they know will spend a few minutes or hours on the phone with them helping them out.  You definitely don't get this on a Ebay purchase.


Bottom line here...if I had to summarize what Wayne is saying in one sentence, and most of you should have learned this when you were 5 years old but some apparently did not......"If you don't have something positive to say about someone's classified ad, then shut the hell up and move on".

Well said Jim..... :212-

I can see both sides of this. On one hand if someone posts something that is over priced, those who know it is, won't buy it. But what about that new person who did a google and found it and then paid more than they should have. Should we just say 'Oh well, he just got suckerd, and it's not my problem', or should we be watching out for each other, especially for the new members who may not know better? What I learned at 5 years old was to not to look the other way when I see someone being wronged.

Poppo, I can see what you're saying about "someone being wronged."  If it's a friend or family member, I would absolutely help out where I could, and sending a private FYI message is totally the right thing to do.  For somebody that I don't know, I bow out and watch things happen how they are going to happen.  I have a very strong opinion when it comes to "caveat emptor."  The last deal that I put together was strictly between the the seller and myself.  There were a few NLG'ers that were aware of the sale, but when it came down to dollars and negotiation it was handled 100% in private.  Some may have thought I was out of my mind for what what I had paid, some may have thought I got a steal, and others may have thought it was right in line with fair market value.  The bottom line is that if the buyer and seller both walk away from the deal feeling good, the dollars don't matter.  Both the buyer and seller need to do their homework and pull the trigger when it's right.  Sometimes too much public information around financial matters can cause more bad than good.  Sort of a religion and politics type of thing in my opinion.

Thanks,
Jason

Wow, you really think that the people buying items on here are 5 year olds.  Being wronged, suckered?  If I needed a board for an S-Plus and someone had one tested working, you're going to tell me the value of it?  I don't think so.  You may see $10 boards on eBay and think that's what they should go for, but I would be happy paying much more especially since I have to pay to ship it here.  I only want to buy one and pay shipping once, not 3 times to find a good one...   You'd be surprised how many people purchase older clear chips from eBay for cheap, only to find that they don't cover the newer mains in their machine.  But that eBay pricing is what most guage as the going price.

  I give much more credit to internet buyers and know that most search around to find what they need.  As I said earlier, if you have the same item to sell them cheaper, rather than interfering with the ad, why not just post your own same item for the price you think it's worth.  But of course, you likely wont sell it for that, that's just the price you want to pay.  If an item is available cheaper, then why wouldn't it show in the Google search, probably because there aren't any others for sale out there, until you list yours of course.  You don't like when people don't put a price in their ads, but think it's ok to post in their ad threads telling them that what they have isn't worth what they're asking? Both sides, yes.

anything in this post that seems like a question, really isn't.  I'm not looking for your answers to those, just hoping you ask yourself those questions.
I don't post anything for sale in the classifieds here and have no intention of starting, since i'm not a parts person, but I do appreciate those that do post and just plain don't like the interference in their ads. I almost think the threads should be locked when posted.

Thanks,
Wayne
P.S. Jeff, I now agree...     are we having fun yet.. :96-

Good job Wayne about time some one said something about the subject.

You obviously did not read what I wrote.  :25- I said that if someone were to post something that was clearly over priced and nobody said anything, a new member may think it's a good deal because they don't know better and end up getting screwed. All because nobody spoke up. And it's not always possible to send the person a PM if they never post in the thread. Maybe you are ok with that, but I don't like seeing people getting a raw deal.


Actually I have given quite a few things away for free, rather than see the person spend more than they needed to. All I ever hope for is that they will someday help someone else out.

Maybe I just have different values. <shrug>

I read and "perused" this entire thread.  Very interesting.  Some of the responses I think may be due to the influence of-- :154- :140- :222- :289- :153- :147- :171-. I do not get as much time here as in the past but do enjoy it when I do.  I myself have made alot of people very happy and a few angry over the years,  Still in all I have received the same in exchange over the years here.  ~B.  As my wife would say-----"Chillax"----- :96-.

Well,  As something completly off this subject  I posted this last reply here and seen I had 69 messages since last clear out on my pm's.  Another time today the "69" came up,  Then again on "something else-- :208-".   Omen-- :103-.  Guess today was just a 69 day--------- :103-.   Just plain silly on my part --but it's true--- :88-.  B.

I support Waynes position. I even get a bit jilted when someone points out a Craigs list post for an overpriced S+ or other older model. I really believe that its the sellers progitive to list the price as whatever they want and let the market determine if it sells or gets re-listed at a lower price. If the forum is ebay and someone chooses to pay 3K for an old machine its not like he/she is not armed with 200 other adds for similar machines at competitive prices. Its up to the individual to pay what they are comfortable paying.

I for one have received excellent support from our active vendors and if they can't turn a buck then our supply (at any price) will quickly dry up. Most of us are not in the business of buying container loads at auction from Casinos, or risking thousands of our dollars so some jack-ass can cherry pick, but thats what they do. So if that obscure Mikon board is $75.00 to me and it may very well be true that the machine it came out of only cost the dealer $50 at wholesale. I don't feel ripped off as I know he/she is sitting on a ton of other parts that are not moving, costing the dealer rental space, costing them interest on the money they have invested.

How many people want to buy off of Ebay from an unknown selling part number xj72-p untested - the seller doesn't know  what they are selling, and don't have a spare to back it up. THe contrary is true as the dealers on this site certainly know what they are selling and will make good on defective parts etc. I have no problem with them turning a profit and the spoilers who say thats too expensive thinking they are saving someone are really doing the community a dis-service in the long run.

The capitalist system says .......Let the market decide.

I certainly do not like misleading offers. I can remember a particular Craigs List offering of a Bally as the only one of its kind. We all knew this not to be true and had a good laugh but that is not what this rant is about.

As Jay-Jay would have said back in the day-------DYNO-MITE--------------,  Could not find a tnt icon here so,   :181- :212-.  Everyone grub up and get ready for the work week,  For those of us that have to work.  I see the board Daily of the regulars on here that have retired or have the time to dedicate.   I may join them in about --------------- :103-,  B.

Jay, it is absolutely anyones perogitive and free choice to sell whatever they own for whatever they can get. It's become almost a tradition on the craiglist and ebay topics here to point out some of the more ridiculous stuff along with what are beleived to be truly good deals. I buy a LOT of stuff from vendors on this site and a few on ebay. I pay what they're asking and don't try to bargain for better deal. Very seldom do I do auction stuff anymore. If it's fair to them and fair to me then we do business.When I buy something, I shop around first and compare price and source for what I feel is the best value. After I buy it I don't keep shopping to see if I got screwed. Let's not forget to be thankful, above all, that we have this site and opportunity to help each other and occassionally piss each other off. It's sure better than the alternative

That's generally been my personal policy.  I've only commented on classified ads to say, "that's a great deal" or, "that's a really nice looking kit."  If I think the person with the listing is out of their mind on a price, I just move on.

Now I feel guilty as I have "piled on" when comments were made about an item not thinking about it from the other persons perspective. So "I'm Sorry" if I stepped on toes and from now on will keep silent if I cannot make a positive contribution to a thread. Some people pay Retail for items but those with greater knowledge do pay Wholesale or better, it's human nature to want a bargain. You do get what you pay for in life................

I agree that its everyones nature to want a deal and I dont think anyone is saying "don't barter".
but that is a far cry from camping onto a thread and offering feed back like
"Where do you get off offering prices like that...." which does not add value and discourages people from offering up product.

** This is an example only I am not accusing anyone of actually saying this ...

While I do agree with most here, I feel if you let the outrageously priced classifieds stand without comment, the classified section will become the slot machine version of craigslist or ebay with absurd pricing. Personally I've laughed hysterically at some of the prices posted here, but like PT Barnum never admitted to saying.. there's one born every minute... if you can sell an S+ kit to someone on this for $500, run as fast as you can to the bank.

Who says $500 is un-reasonable for some themes in good condition ??   
Casino Glass in Vegas sells sheets of glass for $60.00 - $80.00, and this doesn't include chips or reel strips ?
Belly+Reel+top = $240.00  - this is a professional business selling to casinos and consumers alike.
I use it as my benchmark when considering to part with my money. There are other points of reference for someone to make a decision.

Now that the illegal repos are not readilly being made / sold the real stuff may appreciate as it becomes more rare.
If someone wants something bad enough they will pay the piper.

Or it will sit alongside a competitive advert.... and sit and sit and sit.....

SpinLuck which is a popular theme in the Pachilo world sometimes sells for as much as $1200 when most of us won't part with $75 for a Pachi.

We could put out a disclaimer that says let the buyer beware but they never did that on the Saturday Post, Supermarket bulliten board, or e-equivelents of these.

I say let someone post a S+ kit for 9K - they won't be getting my cash, but they won't be getting any trash talk either.

I think all anyone is asking for is a little respect and a practice of non-interference.

I am guessing this is from my comment about price on the gameking, however my original intent was to comment in the post that the seller posted a picture of a 15" and called it a 17".    My thinking was to help the seller get the ad correct and comment that pricing was high if they really were selling a 15" gameking.     If I was reading this site as a buyer I would want to know that I am getting a good deal and even more so if I am reading it on a slot machine forum.   Having been on this site from almost the start of it I know that most folks who read it and comment on it know the going prices.  The price he posted was higher than what is on ebay and sold the last 30 days. 

So let's say the seller needs the money bad and quick to pay bills, I would rather know and adjust etc.   This can be looked at in many ways I think.

Again I was not looking to distract the seller from getting 2K on a 15" gameking. 


   

This wasn't about any single post. It's good you told them of the screen size difference. I just think we'd see a lot more in the classifieds if the pricing didn't get publicly attacked.  If I had Haywire Deluxe kits for sale, I'd want $150 for them, but may just skip these classifieds since I would just want to post them for sale and not want to hear what people think they're worth. They're worth what they're worth and I'd ask what I'd ask and someone would pay it or offer less or whatever. This is why some people list on eBay first instead of here. 
The Haywire DLX kits were just an example.

Thanks,
Wayne

My comments also were not about a single post either.  This happens OFTEN...lack of respect.  If I had to dig deep into some of my own WTS posts, I could find some ridiculous comments even from Vendors at the top of the page where they had no business being in the first place.  Although I disagree from time to time what I read in WTS posts, one thing I would never consciously do is step in on another individuals or Vendors post with negative comments....it's none of my business.  I have made posts on other Vendors WTS posts with what I thought was positive or helpful comments or maybe just having "fun along with the guys", but never to comment as the "proper sales price" of an item.

As someone else pointed out above, people like the classifieds here because it's not e-bay or craigslist and generally one expects to find things at a fair and going price. I actually list things here first BEFORE e-bay so that I can try and give someone a good deal since I look at this forum more as a 'community' than a just a place to buy and sell things. Despite my relatively low post count, I was here before the forum lost everything a few years back and we had to start all over. And even though I am not nearly as active now as I was back then, I still come here first to look or ask for things before heading to e-bay.

Of course there are some things that are more rare than others, but most of us already know that. I think the only time we really see any comments about prices is when it's obviously out of line for the current market.

<sarchasm>Ok, now that all is said and done, I have an authentic Las Vegas slot machine called "Million God" that I would like to sell.  SUPER SUPER RARE!!!  It came right out of the casino and has those buttons that stop the reels...JUST LIKE VEGAS!!!  It has a 32" screen and all the bells and music that will make you want to dance while you play!  You play with REAL quarters too!  I wanted $5000.00 for it, but will let it go for $4995.00.  FIRM!!!

I only take cash, and please don't waste my time with lowball offers.  This is the REAL DEAL!  Bring Las Vegas to your very own living room!!!</sarchasm>

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Thanks,
Jason

The first rule of economics is "Something is worth only what someone else will pay for it".  Simply someone can post a slot for $5000.00 because he feels it is worth it, doesn't mean he can sell it for that, or get anyone to buy it. Seems it is more like buyer beware then anything and they should do their research on prices etc. Everyone is always free to ask questions of the seller thru PM's.  I have done that here and asked the more "experienced" members of the forum if they thought it was a "good" deal when i bought it. I have never been steered wrong.  If it is a classified ad, it is up to the buyer to do his research. I would never personally comment on a classified or contact the seller to tell them that they should change their price. That is their business and their ad. Just my 2 cents and you get what you pay for.  But I am gonna list it in the classifieds for 10 cents. need to make a profit :)

Sorry but if you don,t post a price I won,t waste my time emailing you to get one , I think no price = fishing for a sucker if you got something you really want to sell you,ll post a price , god knows we all have paid to much for something now and then,  so somethings we own for more than they are worth  sometimes we all have to just let something go at a loss , It only hurts for a while, Also this group is not a bad group on bashing others prices go to rgp group there  you see the bigest assholes in the world

Actually, you're averaging 6.54 posts a day since you've become active again. If you continue at that rate, you'll settle in as the third highest poster (although it will take a while for you to get there.)

We now return you to the rant in progress...

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NOTE: These opinions are MY OWN, and are NOT made as a moderator.

I see both sides of this argument. Sellers don't like having their ads interfered with, but this community has a long history of protecting its own and exposing any offers that it deems unreasonable. In short, we're a tough market.

For the most part, I tend to agree with Wayne that interference should be kept to a minimum, although I'll stand as one of the few who will admit to having participated, albeit rarely, in posting negative replies in ads that were clearly outrageous.

While I don't think it's fair to jump in on any classified post in which one disagrees with the asking price, I also don't think that it's right for the more informed members here to just sit by and let a newbie respond to a WTS and pay $1800 for a Wild Cherry S+, or $150 for an S+ 10MHz MPU board because no one would speak up.

I've read the comments about giving buyers credit for being savvy enough to surf the net for going rates before buying, but this is a highly specialized and unusual hobby, and regulars here might have forgotten how difficult it can be to learn the ropes, as it were. I overpaid for my first machines before I found this site, and I'll venture to say that many of you did as well. I won't say by how much on the grounds that it might serve to embarrass me. :5- :30-  I recall being ripped off for $50 for an electronic copy of a pdf manual that was so poorly scanned that the pages had overlapped, so that more than half of the information was missing. I paid $250 or $300 for my first S+ kit; a run-of-the-mill Five Times Pay without reel glass. (ouch! I don't recall the exact price.)

There are a lot of fly-by-night sellers out there on eBay, Craigslist, and on retail websites selling overpriced machines and parts that are poorly shopped out, if at all, and offering little or no customer service after the sale. In a way, this site is an oasis. Our regular vendors are some of the most reputable and fair-priced sellers in or out of the country. The overwhelming majority of our non-business members also offer their personal items for sale without incident and in the spirit of community. We have had members who were disgruntled about transactions, but that is inevitable.

Right now, we don't have ads for $1800 S+ Wild Cherry machines or $150 10MHz S+ MPU boards. If we adopt a completely capitalist non-interfering caveat emptor approach to our classified section, we might. If we are scaring off some sellers, perhaps it's for the best.

Okay, since I seem to be in the minority, I'll await the replies to which I've left myself open.. :127-  :218-

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I agree with you Stat  :205-  Anyone posting in the classifieds here has to be a member.  just looking at the number of posts someone has by their name lets you know how long they have been here. If i see someone with 500 posts selling an item, that gets my attention to look at it opposed to someone with 1 post and new to the site just trying to unload soemthing.
 
Now about this swamp land I have for sale  :96- :72- :208-

Think i could say soemthing about the warden here....lol  :72- :97-

How much?!  :184- :184- :183- :199-   I've got some desert wasteland I could trade you...  :287- :287-     :200-  :97- :97-

well with all the snow and rain we've gotten here in the last week, I'll make you a great offer on the desert property as long as you promise it will be dry and warm  :279- :89- :72-

Honestly, in addition to the above stated, I also take a gander at the "Karma".  Sort of a nice quick "feedback" reference if you will.

So does $4985.00 and a package of button bulbs sound fair for that pachislo?  No warranty on the bulbs though...as is.  Haha!

Jason

David  It's a rare day when you and I agree on anything, today is one of those rare days!!  :212- :212- :212-

Is it 2012, and the world is ending???? Are all of the planets lined up???  :259- K+ and thanks to both of you for the entertainment that you provide!!! :244- :3- :244-

Sorry, just had to raz you guys a little bit! :208- :200- :5- :88- :96-

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CH :95-

You have to understand, I started off with pachislos and paid 250.00 for my 1st one (IGT RWB). As time went on I realized that I could have S+'s and S2000's for about what a retail price on a pachislo would be. Then as I educated myself, I found out how the market works for those who make it work for them. Now that I am armed with good knowledge (off this site and by talking to others in the business), I refuse to pay retail for slots because I know now how much they go for in the wholesale market and the different grades of machines. Remember what Sy Syms said "An educated consumer is our best customer". Lets distribute "knowledge", remember, NLG is an "information machine" of sorts. I'm not saying give up your shop secrets or how you buy a lot of machines wholesale. If people really want to get educated and make a hobby out of this, they will never pay "retail" again for any slot. And BTW, this applies to anything you purchase in life (remember Consumer Reports?)

I wonder if "Consumer Reports" will ever rate slot machines?  :72-
I used to peek at that magazine on the coffee table from time to time.
My step-dad had a lifetime subscription I think... :5-

I think somethings wrong with Buzz today...
he's actually agreeing with Stat on something!  :208- :97- :72- :96-

Jeesh! Them guys are like Siskel & Ebert...thumbs up/thumbs down

Mark  I sat here looking at a empty screen  for the better part of 2 hours planing what to say without pissing to many people off. (like that's ever bothered me before)   Stat came along and put it much better than I ever could.   Hell I might even invite him back for our 2nd annual Christmas Dinner together!!   ( he didn't like my menu anyway) 

I might as well keep going
We have a member on this site that sells on Ebay. Right now she/he/they have a S+ clear chip for sale, $36.95 + $2.90 shipping. Now from what I've read today, if she listed it here in the classified, most everyone wouldn't/shouldn't say a word about it.  Wayne, Jim, Jay and others, you can bet your a$$ I will !! Not for the 2 or 3 hundred members that use the site pretty often, it will be for the 3 thousand + members that only come on when their machine is acting up, and don't forget the guy that's about to sign up. He's having trouble with his S+. First thing he will hear is get a clear and set chip. I could go on and on but everyone gets the idea.

This whole thread is based on ones opinion. Is one person opinion right and another person wrong "NO" I don't think so. I could care less if most will not say anything, but please don't try to force your opion onto me. ( I don't need any help, I can think for myself ) !!!!!!!!!!

Well, at least I'm not the only one that voiced that opinon. Although I seem to be the one who got  :30- for saying it.
 :5-

Just give um sometime ! :279- :279-

you had better start thinking like I tell you to Buzz!  :200-  Seriously though, you think that a clear chip for $36 is something that people need to be warned about?  Hell, I wouldn't sell them for that.  First there's the chip, then the time, not just burning the chip, but listing it, and supporting the sale, not to mention packaging it.  If I did decide to sell chips, which everybody should know I don't, then you can always list yours for cheaper in the next thread, just stay the blank out of mine   :96- .  Knowing you, you'll just give them to whoever needs them.  As you said, opinions vary, and I know nobody will change yours or mine for that matter, well on this subject anyway. 

  This turned out to be a hot topic, I hope you all had fun with this.  I wonder how many more pages it will go..

W

You sell a clear or a key chip to someone, it's an automatic 30 to 60 minute phone call in many cases explaining the process, step by step, of clearing, keying, and then setting up the parameters of a machine.  Why don't you sell chips again?

I agree with Buzz and with others as well...!
Everyone has their good and strong points.
It's basically like pro and anti abortion rights...lol

If I see something outrageously priced...I usually say something.
But usually people post something before I do anyways.
So I just shut up about it... :97-

If they get mad when I'm just joking around - I say "so what" right?
They just don't know me well enough I guess.
I try not to make anyone mad at me but one can not please everybody.
There's always somebody out there that doesn't like what anybody says...that's normal... :72-

By the way, this thread is dead now because I started screwing around with it...lol
I think I'll just side track the heck out of it  and start talking about something else just to throw everybody off.
Let me see...let me pick a subject matter to hijack this thread...how about...uh....boobs and sex?  :200- :96-
I really like TZTech's avatar...how can I get one like that?

IGT owns the right to those also LOL

Right click > Save As...  :96- :96- :96- :200- :72-

I think for April Fool's Day...wouldn't it be funny
if everybody had his bouncing boobie avatar?  :97-

Hey,
   Who dug out Bunker. Never mind hijacking this post .  If it's too hot, then go outside for a few minutes. a little of mother natures blanket will cool you off.  I'm hoping for a record with this one, and we've only just started.


Of course you do.  If you see someone put a clear chip up for the outrageous price of $36, plus a whole $3 postage, you'll be all over them.  I should have asked Buzz what clear chips are worth.  

Anyone have any 8 meg chips for sale?  I could use a couple hundred of them.  In the past I got them for $2 each, that must be what they're worth.

Let's keep on track now.

W

The S2000 chips ARE expensive...even the blank ones...  :96-

Jim  You ask why don't I sell chips AGAIN.?????   I have never sold a chip in my life, but I have gave away at least 200 and I paid the postage !!!!!!!!!! Take your next shot. 

Bunkers right, we should all enjoy bouncing boobies for April Fool Day

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Ok it's back and it's funny, but should be on another thread. W

  I think most of us must have overpaid for things in the past, especially over 10 years ago when everythin slot related was way more expensive (example S-Plus $2500).  The fact that we all tend to look around for deals on items or see a load of slots being wholesaled off, conditions some to think that that's what the retail value should be from then on.  I think someone already mentioned supply and demand further back in the posts, and that is true.  This is why I've repeated that if people who think items are priced too high post their items for cheaper (what they say they're worth), then the supply will be there and the price will likely come down to that level.  I don't see that happening though.  What I do see is pot shots at peoples classified posts. " that's too much for your item, they usually go for less", not really a quote, more of an example.  So post your cheaper items, and everyone will be happy(sure).  If everyone did this, then there would be lots of great things to peruse in the classifieds.

W

  I think he was talking to me Buzz.  But while I post, why don't you post your Buzz's free clear chips post lol.  what the heck.

W

Excellent point and well written Mopar!
This is why I respect your opinions!  :89-
You're a lot smarter than you look....oops  :72-


just kidding ya! You know me...

Hi Mark,
   I think everyone here is pretty smart, we just have different viewpoints at times. 

W

Exactly,
That's what I was saying earlier.
I really like it when people speak their minds...
that's how we get to know each other better!
Anyways,
I gotta get to bed...interesting stuff to read tonight...as always! lol
snow shoveling tired me out!

Very Very True!!!!!!

So Bunker, are you saying that he's not smarter than he looks?  :200- :279- :30- :127-  :208- :208- :208-

Sorry guys, I just had to lighten this up a little. :88-


Stat :31-

Well put Buzz!  :3-  everyone has an opinion and us entitled to it. I think trying to compare Ebay to the NLG classifieds is like comparing apples and oranges. What flies on EBAY certainly doesn't fly here. This site does a great job of policing and all anyone has to do is ask the question, Is this a good price? The members here are more thn willing to say too high, too low (no such thing) or just right!  :89-

I think after reading this thread over many days if the affected parties cant work it out . Or respect that opinions are what they are . A first annual NLG dueling shoot off should take place. I can provide transportation / guns / ammo to a remote spot where this duel can take place (don't worry about the bodies i have a backhoe) Then winner take all and now has his side well represented  :79- :79- :79- :208- :208- :208- :208- :211-

That was just his way of admiring my looks without coming off as coming out.  I do know how to rebuild a holley though.

Hey Stat, what have you been feeding Buzz, Perhaps a special topping on his pizza?  Stuffed crust?  Whatever it is must be good.
Have a great day,
Wayne

Took a nap and ready for round two .  Haven't had this much fun since my Grandma got her left tit caught in the wash machines wringer. ( sorry  you young folks don't know what I'm talking about )   :103- :103-


PLUNGER BOY  Thanks for the offer, but I prefer to use my own.

Wayne  You can teach a chimpanzee to rebuild a Holly.  Wait were talking about Bunker, might be a little harder to train him. ( sorry Mark the Devil made me say it )

My diet seems to be of some concern, can't expect much, I have to eat my own cooking. I thought that was Bazil I was using, who knows what one of my Sons may have put in the jar. Boy are they going to be pissed when they find out most of it's gone.  :37- :37- :8- :8-

Sorry folks I gotta go work on some S2000, have 9 of them telling me the door is open when it's not. known good optics and MPU ????????????

Hey Buzz!
I was fooling around my mom's wringer washer with wet socks.
It pulled me in up to my elbow !!!  :72-
I was screaming my little head off!!!!
She came over and hit the release handle on the side
of the rollers and out popped my whole arm!  :208-

It was not the first time I thought my name was "stupid".... :5-  :96-

GEEES BUZZ only 2. I had to add on just to hold the armory ..Slots are my 2nd hobby the mrs said when you have more than a third world country its time to start a new hobby so i did (slots) note its starting to get out of control :264- :264- :264- :264- :264- :107- :107- :107- :107-

You've obviously never been the the Command Center, it's surrounded on all sides by "remote".  :208- :208- :208- :208-

That's for sure!  :71- :287-

"There are a lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes." [Casino]  :14-

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buzz what are you up to now
what are you looking at in there...
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Look  at the picture real good . I think buzz is wearing a bikini top or bra :97- :97- :97- :208- :208- :208- :208- :79- :79- :79-

Look  at the picture real good . I think buzz is wearing a bikini top or bra :97- :97- :97- :208- :208- :208- :208- :79- :79- :79-
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He needs something to support his "man-boobs".... :96-

Does Buzz have moobs?  :103- :103- :103-


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As someone who was a victim of this when I first joined, I know all too well about this.  As when I first posted a machine a bit to high I  was spat at, kicked, sucker punched and was made out not very well lol. I licked my wounds and realized my rookie mistake and moved on. I have always wanted to say something, but felt it wasn't my place on here as I'm too new. I'm glad it was finally mentioned. Like mentioned in posts in here I did see a post where some machines were being offered at a certain price which seemed high. Rather then make comments about it I just made a post advertising the same product at $800 cheaper. For newbies with all the vendors at the top of the page if they jump on something that's way over priced and don't do there homework I think the fault falls on them.

Dave

I think the point that some of us are trying to make is that the newbies come HERE to do their homework. As pointed out by others, this forum has a long history of helping people, and not sitting idly by and let them make mistakes or get ripped off.

Rarely will you see someone post a question (that has been asked a million times) and have someone jump on them to use the search function. Instead, they just answer the question, or point them to the answer.

Dave, that was absolutely brutal and a perfect example of what Wayne and others are talking about here.  I wish you would post a link to that thread for others to read up on and see again and remember just how brutal some can be on here.




Yes sir Mr. Poppo (and Mr. Buzz and others), this is a site about education.  It's also about sharing a hobby, interests, creating new friendships, helping one another out, and just being FRIENDLY in general.  My question to you sir and others..... Is there a better or more proper way of doing it to maintain a friendly atmosphere here with regards to classified ads?

For example:

A newbie posts a classified for a Double Diamond S-Plus and says "$2,000 - taking offers".


Which is a better approach if the sale price is really just eating at you:

1)  Post directly on the posters ad stating things like "hey are you crazy you can get the for $200" and "hey the information you got on this machine is all wrong".  And then the rabble piles on.  Go read Dave's post...that was ridiculous.  Belittling someone is a pretty poor way of educating someone and others.

OR maybe try another approach

2)  Privately send the person a message.  Give him some some links to Vendor ads, Ebay ads, and Craigslist ads.  Give him / her the opportunity to reconsider and perhaps update their ad or eliminate all together.  This is a positive and polite way of going about it.


AND so you say "what about the Newbies that see the ad and overpay"..."what about those poor fellas...we gotta help-em"


3)  Well I believe most people on this site are not 5 year olds.  People know how use the internet and they do their research.  But just in case, there are great Craigslist and Ebay threads on here.  Someone posts a classified for a $2,000 DD....why not instead create a new post on the Craigslist thread..."Hey guys - I found a DD for only $200" and here's the link.  The message gets across without directly belittling someone that might be a great new member.  The other newbies also see it at the same time.  There...you did your part to educate....you can sleep well tonight.

Some of the way newbies are approached on this site are remarkable...it's amazing they came back at all "for more education".  Dave for one...Delma comes to mind....others.


My point is, if you want to educate, then do just that, do it in a polite, positive way, but you don't have to be an asshole about it.  That's not what this site is about.

As to the first part, again people do use the Internet to do their research. And that is how most find this site. I know that's how I found it and how I learned that I paid too much for my 1st machine. I wish I would have found it sooner and saved myself a bunch. Had I looked in the classifieds and seen e-bay type of prices, I would have assumed that was the best one could do.

As to the second part, that may not be a bad idea. We have a craigslist type of ad thing here for guns. When someone posts a ridiculously priced ad, sometimes someone will will post a separate FS ad for the same gun but then say 'You can find gun x at store x for $xxx'.

The only problem is one would really need to post it in the classifieds section since many people may not even look in the ebay/craigslist section. I don't usually look there because craigslist is a local thing, and I already scour e-bay. And posting in the classifieds probably won't fly. I look at the classifieds here because most of the time the items listed are priced correctly.

Here's another point that I wanted to bring up: someone new comes on and says that they want to have their machine run on quarters. Then people jump on him and accuse him of wanting to illegally have a gambling parlor. Maybe the person wants to use quarters for his own reasons and maybe he lives in a legal state where you can use quarters. As a result, the person "drops out" and won't ask for advice again as someone made an assumption or an accusation without asking qualifying questions either in PM or open forum. Maybe the person is just not knowledgeable and needs an education. We have a "radar" for dishonesty and probably could call someone out if they were really going to setup an illegal home casino for profit. I have been "yelled" at for saying "Why don't you just use tokens?" not thinking that the person may have considered that already.

My feelings get hurt when you guys make fun of my frequent change of avatars.  I have feelings.  I'm human.  I hurt. 

LOL!
Jason

Jason, don't you know thats Sy Redd of IGT , laying in his coffin?

  THE MUMMY HAS NO FEELINGS . IS NOT HUMAN. AND CAN ONLY BE EATEN (HURT) BY KILLER FROGS  :89- :89- :89- :72- :72-

Ah, the Slingo Slaughter... Those repeated kicks went on for days with a few posts of people that had bought machines cheap and couldn't say where anyone else could buy them or had the machine youwere selling, but didn't list theirs for sale.  The kicking and general bashing continued for pages, but people got a laugh out of it, that's for sure.  It's good that you got past that and continued here.  I probably should have started this post back then since that wasn't what I thought this site was about, and I don't believe in kicking someone when they're down. 

Thanks,
Wayne

lol..."The Slingo Slaughter" poor EIS.
At least he got a boatload of karma for putting up with the critics.  :71-
He was like Bambi staring at a spotlight... :208-
I stayed completely away from that thread...  :58- :60- :60- :138-


http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=7324.msg65429#msg65429 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=7324.msg65429#msg65429)

NO DON'T POST THAT DREDED THREAD lol........Man what a  :30- :30- I took back then. I was very close to telling this site to F-off but after it calmed down some members did start to say nice things and I got a bunch of PM's telling me not to take it personally. I'm glad I did stick around because it's one hell of a informational site. Plus I have talked to some great people on here and found things I couldn't find before and even helped a few people out here. I also got to know I truly good and helpful member, that being Jim (bettor Slots). Although I haven't met him in person just talked several times on the phone even though he's only an hour away lol.  I found out as quickly as someone is willing to tear you down, they will also be the first to help you out. I just hope there wasn't too many people that were run out.

BTW I have a super rare Double Diamond S+ for sale it has all the original graphics and even takes Quarters comes with smoke smelled stand and free shipping Asking only $6,500  :97- :97- :97- :97- :97- :97-


Dave

You noticed I never hammered you but I WILL NOW!!! lol  :96-  :30- :30- :30-


lol just kiddin' ya...

And just think I may have some Ms. LGM strips coming in and I was going to let you try your "procedure" on them! I'll just have to pass now lol j/k

lol        :25- :279-  :208-

Quote from  eis_slots  
And just think I may have some Ms. LGM strips coming in and I was going to let you try your "procedure" on them! I'll just have to pass now lol j/k
 :91- I found them....  :244- I found them....  :3- I found them....  I found them....  I found them....

All you need to do is paypal me $56.00 .. that all for these new strips. that includes shipping/ handling/paypal fees and they come in a pretty USPS heavy duty box.

  :103- maybe Bunker will pay me more ?   :81- no, I own you them anyways , paying back a favor.. :89-

they might be for a slant top, they seem to be printed sideways.... lol   JK!


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       Dan

I got an idea lets tell Bunker there his and let him pay for them. Then you can ship to me. Then I'll copy them on a printer. On some cheap paper and send to him he'll never know the difference.  :200- :200-

Just keep this post private.  :96-

Well, you got the strips. Now you can put them in and sell that machine.

You going to post it here for sale or do you already have a buyer ?  I have the glass I can not use anymore, gonna hang it on the wall I guess.

Post a picture when it's finished.


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      Dan

Yes I got them thanks. Haven't opened the box yet lol. The machine will be for myself not for sale yet lol

Well?!? Let's see what this puppy looks like !  :184- :183- :267-

okay, okay...I'll wait til you get it together...lol
You better show us some pics of this new baby!  :14-

Its going to be awhile I have two other projects first. Bunker you still wanna borrow them to try your test?

Dave

lol   no,... that's okay.
I have a backlit set for my game...
I try to remember to install the game before my nephews come over to visit.
They really like "the spaceship game" ...  lol