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Title: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: slotsx2 on April 21, 2011, 12:37:49 AM I didnt know where to ask this, :103- so I'll ask it here. "Do I use polarized or non polarized bulbs in my machines? Does the answer to that question apply to all bulbs, IE: button bulbs, credits bet bulbs on the reel glass, and or backlit bulbs? and if so, why? and will it damage my machines and or fry me?
Thanks, Jim Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Foster on April 21, 2011, 01:49:10 AM I have never come across a polarized incandescent bulb, LED's on the other hand do have a polarity to them.
But to make it simple for people to install wedge type bulbs to solve them not working because they got reversed. Some of the bulb replacement LED's have a resistor and additional diodes or such as part of them so they can function properly no the polarity. I did get some LED bulb replacement from Happ Controls that did require you to match the polarity Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 03:31:09 AM Jim Simple ans. to your question. Install your LED if it doesn't work, pull it out and rotate it 180 degrees and reinstall. Most LED are polarized.
Word of caution LED installed in wrong place can/will cause serious damage. I don't know what kind of machine you have so I won't say anymore. Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: slotsx2 on April 21, 2011, 06:02:56 AM Have 2 IGT S2000 & 2 Bally. Had planned to replace all bulbs with LEDs.
Jim Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Foster on April 21, 2011, 06:36:42 AM Just be careful
If the Wires from the LED's short the positive and negative terminals in the socket something will be damaged. Look at the bulbs and the sockets and you can get an idea what I mean. It is the smaller sockets the S2000 and S+ uses for the BV and denom lamps that you have to be careful. IF you make sure that each wire coming out of the bottom of the LED touches only one terminal and not both you should be fine. Also be sure that the end of the wire near the top of the LED is not too long either. I have never had a issue with LED's in my denom lamp or in the BV but I always look at bulbs or LED's to make sure each wire goes to its respective side and that side only. A small piece of tape along the bottom edge of the LED should prevent issues as long the tape stays in place when you insert the LED. The lamp sockets for the player switches should not give you any trouble. I bought LED's that would replace the lamps in the S+ and S2000 from Happ Controls and they did not last long. They did replace all of them one time under warranty. The replacements didn't last any longer than the first ones. I then bought some from MCM Electronics I have not had to buy another LED replacement for either machine yet. I need to buy one since I have added a multi-denom player button to the deck. I just moved the LED in the change button to the multi-denom buttton and put a regular lamp in change button. Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: reho33 on April 21, 2011, 12:20:51 PM I fried my Bezel lighting electronics by putting LED's in it, you need to get an LED lighting bezel, it's made with the LED's in it already.
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Yoeddy1 on April 21, 2011, 05:45:10 PM I don't use LED's at all in my S2000 nor my Game King, because of the unknowns of what could get fried. I'll stick with OEM stuff. LED does look cool though.
Jason Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: FORDSBS on April 21, 2011, 05:53:09 PM I don't use LED's at all in my S2000 nor my Game King, because of the unknowns of what could get fried. I'll stick with OEM stuff. LED does look cool though. Jason Oh come on Jason. You try everything else. Try it Jason, you'll like it !!! Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 06:12:06 PM I don't use LED's at all in my S2000 nor my Game King, because of the unknowns of what could get fried. I'll stick with OEM stuff. LED does look cool though. Jason Jason Just do a search for LEDs I think I counted 200 threads on the subject . I'm not going to say these will work in a Bally ( I don't know for sure ) but a S 2000 and a Game King your plenty safe to install LEDs in all the play buttons. The trouble begins when you install them in the Denom light and the DBV bezel. ( these two I know for sure ) besides they most times look like crap anyway. "I know" some cluster LED look good in the denom light, I just can't afford them !! And don't even think about installing them in backlit reels, trust me they look really BAD. Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Yoeddy1 on April 21, 2011, 06:14:35 PM I don't use LED's at all in my S2000 nor my Game King, because of the unknowns of what could get fried. I'll stick with OEM stuff. LED does look cool though. Jason Oh come on Jason. You try everything else. Try it Jason, you'll like it !!! Smells and smoke freak me out. When I nuked the board on my old CEI poker machine, that left a pretty big scar in my mind. When all you have are flourescent lights lit up and a cooling fan spinning, that's enough to make you want to hurl your lunch! Jason Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Yoeddy1 on April 21, 2011, 06:17:40 PM I don't use LED's at all in my S2000 nor my Game King, because of the unknowns of what could get fried. I'll stick with OEM stuff. LED does look cool though. Jason Jason Just do a search for LEDs I think I counted 200 threads on the subject . I'm not going to say these will work in a Bally ( I don't know for sure ) but a S 2000 and a Game King your plenty safe to install LEDs in all the play buttons. The trouble begins when you install them in the Denom light and the DBV bezel. ( these two I know for sure ) besides they most times look like crap anyway. "I know" some cluster LED look good in the denom light, I just can't afford them !! And don't even think about installing them in backlit reels, trust me they look really BAD. Good to know Buzz regarding the buttons. I thought they required different sockets, but if it's just the LED, that's not too bad. I've seen them in backlit reels and they do look like crap in my opinion. Jason Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 06:33:08 PM I don't use LED's at all in my S2000 nor my Game King, because of the unknowns of what could get fried. I'll stick with OEM stuff. LED does look cool though. Good to know Buzz regarding the buttons. I thought they required different sockets, but if it's just the LED, that's not too bad. I've seen them in backlit reels and they do look like crap in my opinion. Jason Jason If you had a set of backlit LED panel reels you would throw rocks at the reels you now have. ( also takes a different controller ) I posted this pic. yesterday in another thread. LEDs fit in the play button socket. Put them in and if they don't work pull them out and rotate bulb 180 degrees and reinstall. ADMIN NOTE: fixed missing bracket "]" on quote box as someone erased it by accident i assume, but you never know this BUZZard could be doing it on purpose to mess with me and keep me on my toes at the same time! OK, it was more effed up than that! I finally got it to look right. I bet the BUZZard is laughing now while saying the Skipper should have left well enough alone! :208- :279- CH :95- Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: StatFreak on April 21, 2011, 06:45:15 PM Reho and Jason, you don't have to be overly worried about using LEDs in the S2000 IF you just pay attention and read what Foster said.
(That's a big "IF". lolol. :72- :72-) I also want to give credit to Buzz for first showing this to me a while back. :3- Just be careful If the Wires from the LED's short the positive and negative terminals in the socket something will be damaged. ... It is the smaller sockets the S2000 and S+ uses for the BV and denom lamps that you have to be careful. IF you make sure that each wire coming out of the bottom of the LED touches only one terminal and not both you should be fine. Also be sure that the end of the wire near the top of the LED is not too long either. I have never had a issue with LED's in my denom lamp or in the BV but I always look at bulbs or LED's to make sure each wire goes to its respective side and that side only. ... A small piece of tape along the bottom edge of the LED should prevent issues as long the tape stays in place when you insert the LED. ... Personally I would cut the wires on any of the LEDs whose wires wrapped around both sides of the base. I would make sure to cut them slightly shorter than the length of the base on the feed side so that there was no chance of them shorting anything. Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Magicslots on April 21, 2011, 06:47:10 PM I have LED's in all my S2000's, and my GameKing :96- Given the choice, I will never go back to the incandescent bulbs :60-
The LED's look better, they stay cool (don't cook the Legends) and they use a fraction of the power. :89- I even went to all LED's in the buttons on my S+ machines...way better! :200- As to the reels, I am looking forward to finding the newer led reels for both my 4 reel and my 5 reel games! The OEM XE359 bulbs are hard to find, and I agree that the led reels make you want throw rocks at the old ones! :37- I just missed a kit on ebay a while back that had the new reels and the reel controller. (so if anyone has one for sale let me know) :3- Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 06:57:03 PM David if any credit is to be given, it's to BIG Blue, Jim is the one that told us why/how I burned up two boards. ( With Capt. Happy watching ) Hell one of them was his Tabasco. He should have never let me open the door !!
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: slotsx2 on April 21, 2011, 07:12:32 PM How many would be interested in buying the same LED'S that IGT bought from the company that made the LED's I am looking for?
He said if he sold them it would'nt be like a dozen or 2.... Anyone interested let me know. He's gonna call me back tomorrow. An S2000 with backlit reels...... hmmmmmmmmmm I'm counting around 25 per machine???? Jim Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Magicslots on April 21, 2011, 07:36:43 PM I would be interested in some details. Finding leds for the buttons is an easy task. There are several suppliers that sell them for around a
dollar a pc. or so. The denom lights are more, like the one MCM carries. The bulbs for the reels? I havent seen any led bulbs for the S2K reels that don't show a bright spot on the strips. If they are out there, I would like to try some. The newer led backlit reels that IGT has, use smd mounts and a seperate/different controller. Maybe I am not as "experimental" as Jason on some things, but I am interested in finding a workable solution. At least until I can find a new led reel kit etc..... Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 07:58:06 PM I bought 3 or 4 of these LED panels off Ebay to try in a back lit reel. 1st off they are exactly twice the size I needed, You can cut them and they still work. Problem is with a standard controller they never go completely out. I only have one machine with LED backlit reels, and I never got around to changing the control boards to see what would happen. "Some day maybe"
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Magicslots on April 21, 2011, 08:04:34 PM Great little idea there Buzz! :89- Do you have any pics of them mounted on the reels? :103-
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 08:17:34 PM I never got for enough into the project to mount them. If you notice the male electrical plug fits right into the female on the reels.
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Magicslots on April 21, 2011, 08:22:37 PM I had seen these on ebay, I think they were originally car dome lights or something.. :103-
The search continues :209- Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 08:26:04 PM I think they are for dome lights, but you know what, that LED panel doesn't know that.
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Ron (r273) on April 21, 2011, 08:32:28 PM I have LED's in all my S2000's, and my GameKing :96- Given the choice, I will never go back to the incandescent bulbs :60- The LED's look better, they stay cool (don't cook the Legends) and they use a fraction of the power. :89- I even went to all LED's in the buttons on my S+ machines...way better! :200- As to the reels, I am looking forward to finding the newer led reels for both my 4 reel and my 5 reel games! The OEM XE359 bulbs are hard to find, and I agree that the led reels make you want throw rocks at the old ones! :37- I just missed a kit on ebay a while back that had the new reels and the reel controller. (so if anyone has one for sale let me know) :3- Is this what you are looking for? http://cgi.ebay.com/IGT-S2000-LED-LIGHTED-REEL-KIT-/110677424763?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c4e37a7b (http://cgi.ebay.com/IGT-S2000-LED-LIGHTED-REEL-KIT-/110677424763?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c4e37a7b) Ron (r273) Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Magicslots on April 21, 2011, 08:36:20 PM Ron, I need the 5 reel version for my TD Red hot Strike, believe or not, I dont own a 3 reel S2000 ... yet :97-
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 08:55:57 PM Ron They got into this very thing yesterday in the Ebay thread. This link you posted is for slant top reels. They decided the lights could be moved, but I'm still wondering if you put a set of slant top reels in a upright machine and in key menu tell the upright it's now a slant top, will the reels line up on the pay line correctly. Guess if all else fails you can always off set the strips.
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Ron (r273) on April 21, 2011, 09:04:07 PM Ron They got into this very thing yesterday in the Ebay thread. This link you posted is for slant top reels. They decided the lights could be moved, but I'm still wondering if you put a set of slant top reels in a upright machine and in key menu tell the upright it's now a slant top, will the reels line up on the pay line correctly. Guess if all else fails you can always off set the strips. Ahhh...... that's what I get for not reading all the poop on flea bay. I think you need to try it and let us know. :30- :30- :30- Ron (r273) Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 09:11:39 PM Ron If I had a set of slant top reels I would give it a try, but I don't feel like spending 100 bucks on a set for futher education of NLG members. :25- :25- :25-
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Buzz on April 21, 2011, 09:25:46 PM I didn't think I could put up a pic. this large. LED reel, looks easy enough to move the lights Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Magicslots on April 21, 2011, 09:41:59 PM Slant top eh? I thought the reel shelf looked kinda strange... :5- :200-
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: cowboygames on April 21, 2011, 10:25:17 PM And I beleive the size of the shelf is the only differance. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the slant top reel shelf mount inside the machine at an angle? As far as putting LED bulbs in an incandescent reel socket, that was discussed on here a while back and it's a nono. I wrecked a backlight controller myself doing that. The lights stayed on full bright all the time. I've got one of those kits coming, so if interested parties want to hold off for just a bit, I'll be the guinea pig and let evryone know if/how it worked out and how I tackle any problems that come up
Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: CaptainHappy on April 21, 2011, 10:46:43 PM And I beleive the size of the shelf is the only differance. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't the slant top reel shelf mount inside the machine at an angle? As far as putting LED bulbs in an incandescent reel socket, that was discussed on here a while back and it's a nono. I wrecked a backlight controller myself doing that. The lights stayed on full bright all the time. I've got one of those kits coming, so if interested parties want to hold off for just a bit, I'll be the guinea pig and let evryone know if/how it worked out and how I tackle any problems that come up :259- for the guinea pig! :208- CH :95- Title: Re: Polarized or Non Polarized?? Post by: Magicslots on April 21, 2011, 11:25:13 PM Quote I wrecked a backlight controller myself doing that. Well, I have to admit...I put a 161 LED in one of my reel sockets. Partly out of curiosity, partly out of desperation. I didnt have any spare xe359's and I found a comparable voltage led at the Texas Pinball Festival for a$1.25. I knew about the socket issue, so I clipped the wires so as to have only one on each side. It was a little tough plugging ir into the socket, (due to the clipped wires) held my breath and flipped the machine on. Ta Daaaaa..it worked like a champ. :3- It does hot spot the reel strips so it would not look good in all the sockets, and it does not go out completely, but the glow was not very noticeable up high next to the reel glass florescent. Any way, the search for a good/great type bulb continues.. |