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Just picked up an igt double diamond had multiple power distribution problems (no flourcents, front leds, bill reader problem) i have system up and running on bills but canot for the life of me get the cc to opperate.  I have power to the unit but i dont even get the power led to illuminate.  Any help woulb be much appreciated

what model Igt is it? S+? S2000? Gameking or I game? We need more info or post a picture of the machine

You won't see the LED lit with the door open.

Mark  On a S 2000 and a Game King the Comparator does light up with the door open

Oops. Good to know. I only have S+.

If it is a S2000, is it in coinless mode??

There has been so many IF'S here lately that it doesn't pay to ans. a post until they tell you exactly what they have or post a pic. of the machine.

Sorry, very new to this will have a pic for you when i have access.  Model# b5033cfiw if that helps thanks again for the help

Deffinately an s+ model

BBall to YOU Pippo, I'm an S2000 guy :131-

Ok, now that we know it's an S+. Are the coins dropping to the tray or the hopper?

Straight to the tray

First make sure you have the proper coin in the comparator. Reseat it or put another one in. Next reseat all of the plugs (with power off). Then turn the sensitivity dial back and forth a few times and then turn it all the way ccw and then back cw just a bit.

You can always pull the cc out of the holder. Open the front drop down door and push the pigtail wire to the front of the door.
Then plug in the cc and close the door. Hold the cc in your hand and see if the led illuminates after the machine resets. If so, drop in a coin and see if the rake pulls. Make sure you have a sample coin in the cc. It need to be the same denom as the coins you feed in.

Tried putting cc on outside still no led yes i do have a good sample coin in the unit..  I think it is fried. Any suggestion on where to purchace new?

In the "Coins Played" window on your display, does it change when you fully close down the latch on the door?
If not then your door optics need to be looked at in order for the CC to work at all.

He said it's taking bills, so I 'think' we can assume his door optics are good. But ya never know.

oh...sorry. I didn't see that part.
His door optics are okay then...otherwise the DBV would NOT be working....lol

Well...there's a couple of things we haven't ruled out just yet.
It could very well be possible that it's only a burned out LED lamp but the CC could still work?
I've never had a burned out LED lamp though so I cannot be certain whether or not
a CC circuit board totally relies on that particular IC component to be working -
in order for the entire coin comparator board to function?

I'd try turning the coin sensitivity adjustment dial back fully counter-clockwise to the stop point,
then turn it clock-wise one quarter of a turn and try dropping coins through it.
If it still doesn't work - then I'd go shopping for a new coin mech.

Remember, on S+'s...you need coin mechs that have the 2 gray wires on top and are rated for 24V!!!
Not the 12V ones with two green wires.
Those ones go POOF in an S+!!!
 :98-

Trying sensativity adj now if still no luck i'll order a new cc and let you know hpw it goes thanks again for all your help get back to you guys soon

I'm having a problem with my cc also.  It is a CC-16 being used in an IGT S+ Slant Top.  It worked fine last time I used it, but it has been sitting for months.  When i finally got around to powering it back up, got a Code 12.  Replaced the battery and everything comes up fine now, but coins just fall right through the cc into the hopper.  (Sample coins are identical... using brand new tokens which are all identical).  I swapped it out with my other cc and the machine works beautifully.  Should I assume that the other one is junk?  Is there anything I should look for that could possibly be cleaned?  It's weird that it would work the last time i used it and not now.  Thanks in advance for any insight :)

If you have not already done it, try turning that sensitivity adjustment pot back and forth a few times.. Then turn it all the was CCW and then just a hair CW. The adjustment pot can get some oxidation on the wipers if it's been sitting for a while and cause it not to work. Turning it back and forth a few times often helps.

Thanks... I will try that and let you know if that worked or not :)

Ok, before I even tried that, I popped the cc out of my slot machine that works and popped it into the holder (sorry, don't know what it's really called) of the one that didn't, and it still didn't work, so I took the cc that I didn't think worked and put it in the holder of the one that I knew worked and now it works, so the problem is not the cc, but rather the holder the cc pops into.  Any idea what these cost?  Any members on here have one they would like to sell or how would I search for it on E-bay?  It is for an IGT S+ Slant Top machine.  Thanks :)

I'm a little confused. I thought you already had put another CC in this machine and had it work a couple of posts ago.  :103-
 

<edit> Now that i read this yet again, it looks like you took a known good CC and put it in the machine that was not working. Now the machine that was not working is working. Correct? If so, then you have a problem with the CC.

Sorry for the confusion... I just re-read my post and confused myself lol so I edited it.  I found out that both of my cc's are good, but the holder it snaps into is no good because even the cc I knew was good wouldn't work in it.  Hope that makes more sense.

Regardless of my confusing posts  :200- I now know I just need to replace the holder and not the actual cc.  What are these really called and does anyone have one for sale without a cc in it?

Ok, let's back up then. You say the coins are falling to the hopper and not the tray correct? If so, your CC is working. Sounds more like a problem with your coin optics board. Try reseating the plug on that.

And let's back up even one more step. What does the 'bad' machone' show on the display? We need to make sure there are no more errors on it, since you did have a 12.

I would open the door, press the self test button a few times and then close the door. What is displayed after that? Does it have a BV? If so, does it take bills?

No error codes or anything any more.  Once I switched out both the cc and the holder the cc goes in, it works and plays normally.  Don't laugh, but what am I looking for when you say reseat the plug on the coin optics board?  Is that on the holder the cc plugs in?

poppo   Mark Don't forget your messing around with a slant top in this thread. 

True, but aren't they set up pretty much the same way. CC and then coin optics?

It sounds like the CC is working since the coins are going to the hopper. But the optics  are not registering it for some reason.  :103-

Where do I find these optics so I can check them and also to make sure the board is reseated?

Here is picture from  an upright. I don't know how much different a slant top is. The coin optics and connector are circled.

Mark they are close to the saame except the comparator bracket ( with the comparator and coin optics still installed )  lift out of the machine as a whole unit.  Have a large plug on the bottom that the whole thing slides into.  

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I tried reseating the plug and still nothing.  The cc does work in my other machine though.  So it looks like I need a new S+ Slant Top holder that the cc snaps into.  Does anyone know of someone in the group that might have one for sale?

Yep, that's what I need minus the cc :)

Don't know why the pic didn't show, but Buzz's pic is what I need.

Unless you have some extra cash you want to spent why don't you let Poppo talk you through testing the coin optics.  ( that's the Green board right below the comparator.)

If he thinks he can... lol.  It depends on what's involved.  I'm not very mechanical.  I know just enough to be dangerous  :279-

I guess what I am trying to say is the optics are just a part of the whole unit. Why replace everything, when only one part may be bad? The optics just unscrew with two screws behind the plug and three on the other side. The one in Buzz's picture just doesn't have the little plastic cover over it. Here is another shot of mine without the cover. At a minimum, you should take it apart and clean it. Can't hurt. I would swap it with the other one. Finding just an otics board will be easier and cheaper then the whole assembly.

If you still feel like you need the whole assembly, just put a WTB in the classifieds here and I'm sure one of the vendors will set you up.

Thanks poppo... I didn't realize you could take that off of there.  I will take it off and try and clean it later and see if that makes a difference.  If not, I will place a WTB ad.  Regardless, I will post what I find out.

If you're going to clean the coin optics, don't use alcohol. Start with a dry Q-tip. If that doesn't work, you can use a Q-tip dipped in a mild solution of water and dish washing liquid, followed by a Q-tip dipped in clean water, and then a dry one.

If you're still having problems, the next step would be to go into the input test menu and test each optic by slipping a folded piece of paper/cardboard through the optic chute to see if the value changes when the optic is occluded.


<ADD> At this particular moment, CRS is preventing me from remembering if the open optics have voltage (display a 1 in the test window) or not (display a 0 in the test window). Either way, all three optics should have the same value in the test menu when unoccluded, so if you see anything besides 111 or 000, you'll know right away that the optic board or harness plug is bad.


[EDIT] Oops. We know your harness is good because swapping the entire assembly fixed the problem.