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HI
I just completed my 3 reel to 5 reel conversion.After doing a clear 3 times,i reinstalled my base chip,powered back up.But now for some reason i get no power to the 663 display or winner paid,credits bet,total bet windows,lines played and ect.I know picture would help you help me in trouble shooting this issue,but cant post intill am.Is there one main area to look at to solve this problem?Pictures will be posted in am.Thanks mark

I've heard of a clear and key being done two different ways. I do a clear, then install the key chip and then go to the base chip. ( It works for me )  If you try this sequence, after you install the key chip and power up you should see netplex down on the left display. If you don't see it, check the ribbon cable that goes to that display It's right next to the hinge. All so make sure the door IO board is fully seated. If you still see nothing all kinds of things could be wrong,  I would first make sure you have all the new eproms installed properly, meaning the notch in the right direction and all eproms in the right holder. Make sure no legs are bent under. Which key chip are you using ??

I've did a lot of clears and keys on S 2000 and I don't remember ever looking at the right hand display to see if it's working or not. I would think not but I'm just not sure.

Hi
Here the pictures i promised,maybe this will help.Dose everything look hooked up properly?As alot of new parts went into this conversion.And i didn't have another 5 reel to use as a sample,each step along the way i have used the forum to make  sure all is good.But this  6-6-3 display that's just blank after doing a clear.Since my id tag plate states my s2000 is dated in the 12 month of 2003 I'm using clear chip #224 and key 31.Clear went fine as i was using Jim's  Better Slots print instructions off the forum.As for instructions it states to re install base chip and power back up and wait for displat to read testing memory.But display is not reading anything.From the pictures can you tell if i have all items hooked up correctly.And if i do where to go from here?

Thanks

is there power to the denom panel?

HI
That dose not lite up,all the displays dont lite.

check to see you have fuses on the motherboard or back plane.

All the plugs look right. Wish I knew which wires to tell you to look at to check voltages, but I don't. Might check to make sure your IO boards are seated well and maybe unplug your coins per line LED board to see if it makes a difference. Turn machine off first though

You are missing a jumper harness between the line display and I/O it appears to me, eliminate the line display for now and plug the molex you have going to it into the inside I/O card, btw you can't use the old I/O that was in the single row button deck, and for the sake of god would everybody quit telling people you need to use a clear chip, it is not needed unless you are setting an accounting denom lower or reconfiguring a game that had a system hooked up and then removed, for games that were working in your eyes and hands before you F****ked with it, just fix the mess you caused

If he has the correct I/O board - could it be that he
needs to change the settings from 5-5-2 to 6-6-3 in the Options?
That would require a keychip to do right?

If I'm wrong - please don't yell at me?
Thanks!

Hi
The first pictures i posted yes didn't have the jumper harness installed to line display,But it is now installed with same results displays wont lite up.I'm going to post some clear pictures on Thursday am,Maybe some one might spot something out of place in the cabinet wiring.In regards to the clear chip,Jimare you saying in my case i shouldn't of used the clear? as i will need to set the denom for this new game 3 reel to 5 reel conversion.Also one last thing i just discovered was when the power is on,and i remove reel #1 reels #2 through 5 lite up and stay lit.Is that normal ?THANKS FOR YOUR HELP,IT LOOKS LIKE I HAVE MY WORK CUT OUT FOR ME IN SOLVEING THESE PROBLEMS.

It is NOT recommended to install or remove anything in an S2000 with the power "ON".   :60-


May I ask, did someone TELL you to do this?  :129- :128-                      :100- Blue!  :96-

That's kind of like trying to change your wipers with new ones while they're swishing back and forth
and little rotten Johnny is in the front seat holding down the squirt button.... :72- :72-

First off...I'm going to suggest you do a full clear with a 224   :97-  :72-  :97-  :72-  JK

Seems to me your just missing the harness connection as Jim Blue pointed out.... "starred" in the picture below.

HI JIM
Made the connection that you and Jim at Blue ridge suggested,and then did the 224 clear.Still i have the same results no display.Only signs of power is on back side of lines played board is a tiny green lite that's lit.I'm send some pictures of some of the wiring from inside of the cabinet,Maybe someone can spot something out of place or not connected.Please excuse the amount of loose wiring,as some of the plastic ties had to be removed to make the conversion happen,they will get re wrapped when i get the machine up and running.Thanks for your help.
Mark

More pictures

Right behind this vertical harness outlined with my yellow rectangular box is a vertical black Molex header that powers up your VFD display.
If there's nothing plugged into it - that could be why you're not getting the VFD to light up...

JK = Just kidding....224 was not necessary but did not hurt anything either...like Jim Blue said. 

When you first power on...look at the the display, does it at least light up for a moment and say "Display Self Test Passes" or something like that before it goes blank?

Jim
It dose not display any self test message.But in bunkers last post he states i might not have pluged in that would connect under the pile of wires,is the plug that showing the source of my problems.

that plug is for a light box and is not used.  You have things plugged in correctly and like Jim B mentioned above...you have something plugged in the wrong spot at the mother board likely.

OR

- your display is bad

- your motherboard is bad

- you have a short in one of the harnesses

- your main board is bad

Hard to see in the pics but is yours wired up like this now.

Thanks for the response to this major head ache i have on going.I'm still at work.But when i get home i will compare your wiring to my wiring.And re post.
THANKS MARK

It looks like RR94 has the 5-pin green ones going in on the bottom right
and a 2-pin red & black pair of wires going into the VFD just above the green ones.

HI ALL
I'm back at it.After comparing railroads picture,it dose look like i had the rev a set of wires going to the back pull out not to the front as railroad has them,so i reversed them and powered back up,still same results no display.When power was still on i look down the front black pull out where the rev a cable mounts,its not lighting up.The back one behind the front one shows lights that are on.I don't know what this part is called.So if the front one dose not light from inside,is it bad?for test purposes only can i swap the front one for the back one?
THANKS MARK

Yep, those are a matched set of boards and interchangeable, 7802s they should be. That little plug going to the VFD display with the red and black wires I would guess is your power lead to the display, but you're not getting any power indication on the credit display either are you? The VFD display and the 663 LED display use different power plugs, but I don't know if it comes off the same source from the IO board

Hi
I just reversed the boards and the front one that would not lite,lites up when i moved it to the back.So is that telling me i have a bad cable up front?

At least you know the displays are okay now.

CCheck the socket and the wires going to it. You might have a pin bent keeping the board from seating all the way or a bad wire going to it

Still working on this problem in my spare time.Can someone tell if this would make any difference,When i installed the new complete button deck with wires,i used the remaining 3 wheel wiring harness that was already mounted and inserted in the mother board.Should i of used the wiring that came with the 5 reel deck?Someone on the forum told me i could use the old 3 reel wiring and just connect at button deck.My second question the connection at mother board is still mounted in same location as when it was used for a 3 reel machine,is there a new location for 5 reel use on mother board?Should i install the rest of wiring harness that came with 5 reel button deck.YOUR THOUGHT PLEASE
THANKS

How did you plug all the buttons in using a 3 reel harness? And yes, use the harness that came with the deck. And you use the same reel plug socket on the motherboard

The new  5 reel button deck came with all the button wired.The main wire that connects in the pull out board on inside door and display then winds down along inside cabinet wall  to mother board.So i will change the wiring.

Just replaced the wiring harness.What plugs into this empty plug back left corner behind reel #1 if any thing.When installing the new wiring harness i took it apart one connection at a time,and connected the new wiring harness all connections matched up except the one pictured.The old wiring harness had a two pin connection at this location.
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP

HI
Could some one with a s2000 5 reel tell  me what plugs into this plug,i dont see any spares plugs to plug it in.

That looks to be the plug for the coin handling stuff    comparator and opto

Yep, mine plugs into the coin handling unit.

Ron (r273)

Does your game take coins & have a hopper?

If you do not have hopper this is what you need to plug in there.
Ford

Ford,

You beat me to posting about that with a picture from my machine.. You are a "Quick Draw!" :244-  :259- for being so helpful! (Railroad and r273 also!)

CH :95-

It's about time I beat you. Not often that happens

I'm running this machine if it ever gets up and running with out coins/hopper etc.How hard is it to locate the plug for the one cable end on door?Any ideal what the other cable plug in back cabinet in one of the above pictures posted earlier?Also after installing the 5 reel harness,i get no power to inside cabinet and lower belly glass lights.When will the suffering end,you experts i bet our getting a good chuckle out this conversion.But i appreciate all the help.

You don't really need the plug, just cut the wire and twist them together or anything alee to jump the connection

  i unplugged the jumper plug on the harness you posted on my 5 reel S2000 and there was no change every thing acted the same  note**** i do not use coins or have a hopper in my machines

Does the red and yellow jumper Molex say S2000 on the side of it FORDSBS ?

I have at least a dozen of them if you want one.

Thanks for offering the plug,i sent you a email.
I'm still looking for the answer to this question,what dose this connection go to?When i removed the 3 reel harness it had a two pin plug at this location,and now the 5 reel harness has a much larger plug,I'm assuming it there for a reason.

This plug

By looking that should go to the Backlit Controller , you will need a harness extension.

It's difficult to tell just where that is in the cabinet, although it's near the power supply. Can you take a picture from further back? It does appear to be a tenet plug for a peripheral device, but it's hard to tell which one without having a better view of the location

HI
I will post a new picture as per your request,but just heading out the door for in state business road trip,will post the picture late Monday pm.This plug was on the 5 reel wiring harness,all connections that i  hooked up were a match,except this one,and as stated on a previous post,old harness had only a two pin connection plug at this location of this plug.I will also post the old 2 pin plug wiring harness if that will help.When i bought this button deck and complete wiring harness it was stated it came from  a working 5 reel s2000.

vegasbaby i took some pic of my 5 reel igt S2000.  the  plug in the door has a jumper as per  what BUZZ was going to send you. i unplugged mine and it still played fine . I do not know what it does but all of my 5 reel machines have this jumper plug installed

OK round two more pic . the plug that is behind the reel #1 is missing a extention harness as was previous posted by slottex. The harness # is 60754004-b   hk/08/06  as per on tag.  it plugs into  a power distribution board as shown i hope this helps

more pic let me know if more pic will help

That jumper plug connects the optic inputs to ground fooling the machne into thinking the optics are installed.
I think if you configure the machine as coinless it ignores the optic inputs but that may depend on which game ROMS you are using.

I don't see a power distribution board on my machine.My question since my s2000 was a 3 reel being converted to 5 reel,is this power distribution board only found on a 5 reel machine?

I didn't get a email !!

No, I have a Netplex/Power Distribution board in the topbox and the machine was originally a 3 reel machine.
I have since converted it to a 3 reel + bonus reel machine now and am still using the N/PD board for
other things such as a topbox printer, progressive display, speaker/sound board power, candle/fluorescent lighting.