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Title: What works with a superboard? Post by: theDotster on January 02, 2009, 07:43:35 AM Hi,
How can you tell if a PE+ game will work with a superboard? Is it only games with the extra Data chip or will others work as well? Any advice greatly appreciated. Paul Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: midas on January 02, 2009, 08:35:24 AM Any PE+ chip will work on a Superboard regardless of whether it only has a program chip or both a program and data.
On the wingboard, only a couple dozen games will work. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: theDotster on January 02, 2009, 08:38:58 AM Many thanks Midas and a happy new year to you.
Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 03, 2009, 02:41:16 AM On the wingboard, only a couple dozen games will work. Midas- You seem to know the most about the wingboard. I just bought one -- which games can I use with it? What chips must I use on the main board with it? Any information you can provide would be most appreciated. Also, the board I got has a pin missing from the 28-pin socket that plugs into the DATA EPROM connector. I presume that there should be all 28 pins coming out of the wingboard, right? Thanks in advance. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: midas on January 03, 2009, 11:40:54 AM I haven't had a wing board for a long time. I had some PE+ machines and learned a lot about them. I have since graduated to Game Kings and Gamemakers. I'm still saving up to get a WMS 550.
But, as I remember, yes, there should be 28 pins that go into the data socket. Does it look like the pin broke off? I've attached a list that Cactusjack made a few years ago that lists the games and chips for the wingboard. Use a XP000017 program chip, Cap and CG 2298's. Basically, most PE+ games that use a DATA chip can be used with the wingboard, with some exceptions. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: 2Nutz on January 03, 2009, 06:21:27 PM Also, the board I got has a pin missing from the 28-pin socket that plugs into the DATA EPROM connector. I presume that there should be all 28 pins coming out of the wingboard, right? FWIW, just checked my spare daughter board which I recently received, it's also missing a pin for the eprom socket. Curiosity got me going so pulled out the board from my functioning PE+ with a daughter board and it is Not missing that pin. And off course now when I try to restart the game I get a CMOS error, try to clear, goes to verify memory and shows Call Attendant. Off I go to call attendant. ........ Oh wait, thats me :37- Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: 2Nutz on January 03, 2009, 07:26:26 PM OK, back up & running. Pulled the cmos ram chip from daughter board, grounded all oins and re-insert, didn't even loose the validator :3-
Just to add more info to the listed games.txt file, also using a XMP000017 & X2298 cap but with CG2426 character gen chips and games X000002P X000158P X000516P X002029P X002275P Now to get back on track, knagl, did you happen to also get your daughter board from April ? Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 03, 2009, 09:50:41 PM Thanks fro the info, Midas and 2Nutz and K+ to both of you. I'm sad to see that I can't use Shockwave with the wingboard -- I was hoping I'd be able to.
Yes, I got the daughterboard (wingboard) from April. I contacted her about exchanging it and she said that she has one left. The board I got is probably repairable, but I don't have any of those sockets, nor am I that handy with a soldering iron. I would guess that yes, a pin broke off. A friend told me that he thought I would need to use a "XMPnnnnn" chip in the PROGRAM slot (where nnnnn is a number), but you guys are saying that XP000017 is the way to go? Are there other chips that also offer wingboard capability, or is that 17 the only (and correct) chip to use? Thanks in advance. :3- Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: 2Nutz on January 03, 2009, 10:15:23 PM The XMP00002, XMP00004, XMP00006 are game chips for the MultiGame that does not use a daughterboard, ie. 5 games on 1 data chip instead of 5 data chips on a daughterboard on the processor board. :5-
knagl, did she happen to verify if the 1 board she has is Not missing the 1 pin? I just wonder if MAYBE this was some kind of IGT fix for an issue since you and I seem to have a daughterboard in the same condition. That or I'm just gett'in my hopes up not to have to monkey around with soldering on another socket. FWIW, the missing pin on mine is at pin loc #15 of the Data Eprom connection, very bottom right side corner, looking from the top of the board its underneath. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 04, 2009, 03:49:26 PM Aah, okay, that's where the confusion was on the XMPxxxxxx chips -- thanks for clearing that up.
I don't have the board in front of me -- I'll have to look at it and maybe take a picture of it tonight or tomorrow. The pin it's missing is indeed on the corner of the socket where it would plug into the superboard -- I'm not positive as to which corner at the moment. ...and no, I haven't heard from her yet to verify that the other board she has is intact or not. I know she's dealing with some bigger issues right now, so her turn-around time on e-mails and shipping and the like has slowed down. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Stolistic on January 05, 2009, 06:03:00 PM Anyone able to explain briefly how you select games and what the screens look like? Is there a main menu and you use the 5 hold buttons to select? Does is just say Game 1, Game 2 etc or how else would it get the game descriptions?
Any screenshots would be interesting to see. Also, to re-ask Knagl's question... Is XP000017 the only Program to work with the wingboard? Thanks Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Slottex on January 05, 2009, 06:39:41 PM I RUN MY PE+ WITH A XMP00030 SO I DONT HAVE TO USE COINS. IT WILL ALLOW FOR TOTAL HAND PAY. HERES WHAT I HAVE ON MY BOARD-
PE+ DATA X002068P X000516P X000158P X000451P X000291P PE+ GAME XMP00030 RUNNING CG2298 MRO,MGO,MBO,MXO CAPX 2298 EVERYTHING WORKS PERFECT WITH THIS SET UP! Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 05, 2009, 07:46:50 PM SLOTTEX-
Thanks for your post. So it looks like it IS the XMP series chip that I would use in the GAME chip slot? What are those five games you listed that are working on your machine? Thanks! :3- Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Slottex on January 05, 2009, 09:35:56 PM I AM ALMOST SURE YOU HAVE TO RUN THE XMP WITH THE PIGGY BACK. THE GAMES I AM RUNNING ARE-
X00268P DOUBLE DOUBLE BONUS POKER X000516P DOUBLE BONUS POKER X000158P FOUR OF A KIND BONUS POKER X000451P BONUS POKER DELUXE X000291P DEUCES WILD POKER HOPE THIS HELPS, DANNY Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 05, 2009, 10:08:59 PM Thanks for the info! I'm excited to get my Superboard in and to try my Wingboard to noodle around with it!
Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: 2Nutz on January 06, 2009, 02:17:49 AM Kind of along the same lines, is there such a thing as a PSR sheet for the PE+ program chips?
How 'bout a PAR sheet for the data chips? Just curious if the hit % changes slightly with more coin like on a S+ ? Maybe I'm just think'n too hard (or not enough :5- ) :103- Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 06, 2009, 08:35:33 AM Kind of along the same lines, is there such a thing as a PSR sheet for the PE+ program chips? How 'bout a PAR sheet for the data chips? Just curious if the hit % changes slightly with more coin like on a S+ ? Maybe I'm just think'n too hard (or not enough :5- ) I think PSRs existed at some point, and there may be PAR sheets for the PE+ video slots (but unlikely for poker games as they don't have reels -- "Paytable And Reel"). That said, it's possible to figure out payback percentages for any video poker game based on the paytable displayed on the screen. Alas, that's the maximum percentage, obtainable only with perfect play. Since the average player does not play computer-perfect, the actual payback percentage would be less (greater casino hold). I think those are the numbers displayed in the poker section of the bible (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%20Poker/Game%20Library%20-%20PE-Plus.htm) in each game where it shows the optimum (perfect play) percentage, and the realistic casino-floor percentage. Just a guess on that part, but it makes sense. Yes, the payback percentage is bigger when the maximum coins are played as there's a bonus on the Royal Flush (much like the top award on many slot themes has a bonus for playing max coins). It looks like someone uploaded a PSR for the PE+ in the "Submit a new File" section (blue navigation under the vendor ads at the top of the page) -- look for XP000008.doc. That'll at least give you a flavor of what one would look like for PE+ poker games. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Stolistic on January 07, 2009, 01:08:00 PM I've been trying to figure out all the technical details about the wingboard recently in order to add support for it in MAME. Below are some screenshots of it emulating. I am using CG2298 like some have mentioned in the past, but note the top area of the select menu has garbled graphics. Could those of you that said you use this CG confirm that your select menu is garbled too, or maybe I'm not emulating something right either.
I'll be posting much more technical details when I have things ready. If anyone can answer my question above it would be appreciated. Boot Screen: (http://www.stolistic.com/slots/wingtest1.png) Progressive Settings: (http://www.stolistic.com/slots/wingtest3.png) Specific Game Screen: (http://www.stolistic.com/slots/wingtest4.png) Select Menu: (http://www.stolistic.com/slots/wingtest2.png) Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Slottex on January 07, 2009, 08:30:20 PM MY SELECT GAME MENU IS AS CLEAR AS OF ALL THE REST, NO PROBLEMS. DOUBLE CHECK ALL OF THE LEGS ON YOUR EPROMS!
Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Stolistic on January 07, 2009, 09:35:04 PM Thanks for the feedback. Looks like my issue is with the CG chip size. I was only accounting for a 27c256, when that particular graphics chipset is 27c512. So the program didn't find the rest of the graphics. I think thats where the E16/E17 jumper comes in.
Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 07, 2009, 09:42:46 PM Thanks for the feedback. Looks like my issue is with the CG chip size. I was only accounting for a 27c256, when that particular graphics chipset is 27c512. So the program didn't find the rest of the graphics. I think thats where the E16/E17 jumper comes in. That makes sense -- from the "GAMES.TXT" attachment earlier in the thread: E16/E17 must be on E17 to select 2nd half of CG roms and CAPROM. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Stolistic on January 07, 2009, 10:02:25 PM Yeah will be interesting. I can get the main menu to come up fine now, but then the individual games don't paint. So still more to do, but I'll figure it out.
Game Select Menu: (http://www.stolistic.com/slots/wingtest5.png) Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Slottex on January 07, 2009, 10:06:35 PM knagl did we do you any good ? Hope you are up and running!
Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 07, 2009, 10:50:55 PM knagl did we do you any good ? Hope you are up and running! Getting there -- I'm working with Stolistic (although he's doing most of the work!) to make stuff happen -- my superboards just arrived today -- it'll be the weekend before I get to tinker, but thanks and K+ for all your help so far! Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 07, 2009, 10:52:28 PM Yeah will be interesting. I can get the main menu to come up fine now, but then the individual games don't paint. So still more to do, but I'll figure it out. Is that the wrong CAP chip in there then? The top part of the display looks odd. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Stolistic on January 07, 2009, 11:05:26 PM Is that the wrong CAP chip in there then? The top part of the display looks odd. Maybe SLOTTEX can confirm the screenshot for us, but everything seems to be right otherwise. For the record, I figured out the other painting issue. It seems the larger graphic chips toggle a bit on Port3 when accessing the higher banks. So now everything is working 100% (assuming the menu graphic is right). Below is the setup I'm using with CAPX2298 (not listed): (http://www.stolistic.com/slots/wingtest6.png) Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 07, 2009, 11:19:58 PM Well... to steal a picture from your blog, I would tend to believe that the font and background should look more like the traditional multi-game set:
(http://www.stolistic.com/slots/wingtest5.png) (http://i43.tinypic.com/wwddv5.png) Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Stolistic on January 07, 2009, 11:35:54 PM I thought the same thing, but since you can swap out the games to your liking, the marquee can't be hardcoded to just 5 games (like the multi-game on 1 chip has).
So my guess is, they went with a generic looking top logo, and custom paint the bottom arrows only. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 07, 2009, 11:50:45 PM I agree that it shouldn't have the logos in it, but what I'm saying is that the background of where it says "Multi Poker" should be the same color red, and the font that says, "Multi Poker" should be bright yellow -- not that color that it is now. The one on the right looks correct -- the one on the left does not, based on what I've seen in the casino.
Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Stolistic on January 07, 2009, 11:56:15 PM Ah yes, your right. I didn't apply the E16/E17 banking to the CAP so I was painting with the wrong colors.
Correct below: (http://www.stolistic.com/slots/wingtest7.png) Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 08, 2009, 12:04:02 AM Much better! :3- Very nice work. :131-
Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Rep on January 09, 2009, 12:29:34 PM Sweet! More fun with MAME for me, also I meant to post a while back I have a few chip sets here that aren't in MAME yet (about 3 I think). Would you like to add them? I don't have a reader but since my PE+ is currently dead I could probably mail them to you or someone to get them read. Lemme know :)
Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: knagl on January 15, 2009, 08:17:20 AM I found the following tidbit from a 1998 IGT Europe publication for a trade show which mentioned some games that will work with the wingboard (link (pdf) (http://www.igtonline.com/international/images/snice98.pdf)):
(http://i43.tinypic.com/xvfoj.gif) Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: Stolistic on January 17, 2009, 01:03:32 PM According to the pictures of the arrows (and progressive text) found in the graphics chips CG2298. Below is a list of supported games for the wingboard:
Bonus Poker Double Deuces Nevada Draw Poker White Hot Aces Bonus Poker Deluxe Double Double Aces & Faces Odds & Ends Poker Two Pair Crazy Eights Double Double Bonus Poker Full House Bonus Nevada Bonus Poker Deluxe Deuces Wild Double Joker Poker Royal Deuces Poker Double Bonus Poker Deuces Joker Wild Poker Jacks or Better Sevens or Better Loose Deuces Deuces Bonus Joker Poker Tens or Better Triple Bonus Poker Deuces Wild Poker So that is what this CG chip is capable of displaying. It is possible that other CG chips will expose other games not listed above, but this is the only one I have looked at. Title: Re: What works with a superboard? Post by: jay on January 17, 2009, 02:19:36 PM A couple of these I have never heard of before.
Odds and Ends Poker Crazy 8's are two right off the top. |