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Hi All, I've got a closure MB error on one of my machines and it won"t clear. I've already taken the cashbox door wires and tied them together. When I can get it to just a closure m error it still won't take coins or bills although the VFD display alternates between saying insert token, play 3 coins and closure m restart. I'm using a 1270 board and I've done a full clear and reset. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for the help :89-

 Did you do a I/O test will the optics see a closed door ? Did you try a different board? I had a general reel tilt last week that drove me crazy . it turned out to be a bad board . I thought it was the optics (WRONG) wiring (WRONG)reels (WRONG) it was the main board 

My optics are bypassed. Went through the IO tests and the BV door test flashes 0 and 1 constantly. Couldn't find anything that said optics tesy, but maybe I didn't look hard enough because I don't have them. Am I looking at bad MPU or motherboard?

 look under  I/O input test Processor listed as main door should flash 0 and one needs to be interrupted to clear error

I did those tests and the main door and BV door tests both show constant 0, when I close each during the tests then they flash 0 and 1 alternately as long as they are closed. I would think that when they are closed then a constant 1 should show in the test :103-

No, because the signal is pulsed.

Guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "Closure xxx" mean that the door in question was just closed, and not that it is still being seen as open? I think that perhaps there is another problem preventing the machine from playing.

I think the "closure ..." message(s) are supposed to go away after the first game is played under normal operation. :128-

Stat :31-

Rob  I just tried ( 5 )  S 2000  Mine say DOOR OPEN M when I close the door this goes away and the machine boots up. S+ and PE+ you had to play one game for the candle to go out this is not true on a S 2000.  You said you have the optics bypassed, take a look at your cherry switch.

I'm going to try to use a little logic here because I don't know.  When we remove the nicad battery from a 502/504 board and a trace gets damaged in that area you will get a door open error that will not clear.  On your enhanced board it will not work with that battery removed ( I tried )  What IF that battery was dead on your board ??   I don't know the ans. maybe one thing has nothing to do with the other.

David I was typing when you posted, but I think your question got ans.

Hey Buzz, that's a good thought and I checked that. Finally got pissed and swapped out the MPU and motherboards back to a 504 and 960 combo. Same crap so I swapped the cabinet and door IO cards with known good ones and that didn't work either :37- The son of a bitch just won't fully reset and clear that last hurdle. VFD still cycles through with PLAY 3 CREDITS, INSERT COIN, CLOSURE M and RESTART. Now, I did remove the printer and BV. Is there some kind of jumper I have to put on the now unused plugs to make this work. Also did a full clear and key on the 504/960 boards when I installed them. I'm not super slot guy, but I don't think I've overlooked anything :30- :30- :30-

Yes, you're right.  "Closure" is NOT an error message.  "Door Open" is.

So I don't actually have an error? For whatever reason the machine just won't take coins? I installed and reactivated the BV just to see if it was a comparitor problem and it won't ake bills either. All limits are set for more than ample amounts and if I push the button on the coin optics I get a coin in error message, so the machine is reading the comparitor. Still stumped :103-

A machine showing any combination of "Closure M" or "Closure MB" and/or "Restart" and no other messages should be ready to play.  Are you sure the comparator is good?  You've tested the coin-in optics by pressing the button, but the comparator above the optics could still be dead and rejecting all coins for whatever reason.

Just finished changing the comparitor, didn't work. Changed coin optics for good measure, that didn't work either. The machine acts like it's ready to play, just won't take any coins. I've got the denom set for quarters, same as it's always been and the token amount is set for 15 credits per token. It doesn't give a dollar value to them it just wants to know how many credits a token is worth

If his machine is anything like mine, this is not true !

 I have 7 S2000  in the house and every one of them when you close the door any and all info displayed on the VFD about a door being opened, will disappear upon boot up.
Untill the door open display is cleared the machine will not play.

I have never seen a jumper on a BV or Printer. Turn both off in key menu.

OK when you did a clear/key did the machine recognize the door being closed ? You know press test button for 3 seconds and then close main door. I'm assuming you have a cherry switch in place of door optics, try pushing it in 4 or 5 times. I know a clear should have cleared any errors, but worth a try and doesn't cost anything.

Another train of thought, how about putting this board ( with chips ) into another machine ?

Yep, everything is working fine as far as the cherry switch and I've checked the door optic mod wiring like 12 times. Doing the clear/key(twice now with 2 differant board types) hasn't been a problem. In fact, if I leave the machine alone for a minute, it goes into it's attract mode feature. The green light is on on the comparitor when I open the door and the switch on the optics will trigger a coin error. Do I need to maybe just set token value to 0 or 1? I know I had that set to 40 before the clear. I don't know why or how token value could make a differance and token value is the only option under the token setup menu option.

A "Closure" message does not equal a "Door Open" message. 

On the three S2000 machines in my basement, and on every machine I've seen opened and then closed in a casino, the display shows "Door Open" when the door is open (and yes, I agree 100%, the machine won't play), and then they show "Closure" when the door has just been closed until a game has been played.  If your machines don't display a "Closure" message on the VFD, I'd venture to say that you have some odd software in them.

I've got to eat my words a little bit. I just tested 29 more S 2000 and 2 of them will display door Closure  after boot up. Those two both have SG000129 game chips.

Kevin  I have to wonder which one of us have this funky software.  34 out of 36 machines are doing exactly as I posted !!!!!!

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Hey! You guys are strayin' off the topic here! :72- I've got a serious emergancy here :8-

Anyway, I changed the power supply to and no luck. Only thing I haven't changed is the power distribution/comm board. Belly door switch is bypassed for good measure and I traced the cashbox door wires all the way back to the motherboard and tied them together there. I don't have any lights on the MPU, but I don't on one of my working machines either. Should I try the comm board? Is there a possibility the sb or sg chips took a dump?

I'm no expert like the other guys but I'd check the chips.
Ford

I suggested putting that board with eproms into another machine. One way or the other you would know if the files are good or bad.

I got a reel tilt on a machine and the comparitor light stayed on. Also cashed out a machine and turned on the attract feature , it will not go to attract with the door open. Make you think your optic bypass is working.  The coin optic button, I've never had one do anything.

With the cherry switch pulled out you fool the machine into thinking the door is closed. If you press the coin optics switch with the door closed you get the coin error. You get nothing if the machine thinks the door is open. I swapped the sb chip with my spare and get the same problem. I don't have a backup set for the sg chips to try and it's my Money Mad Martians game so the board won't work in another game unless it's the same theme. Top box will hold it out. I tried swapping the power distribution box to, no luck.

We might be talking about a couple of different things, too.  I'm saying that when a machine that is powered on then has its door opened, it displays "Door Open" -- then, when you close it, it displays "Closure M" until a game has been played.  Is that not your experience?

(To be clear, I wasn't talking about immediately after a power-on.  I couldn't tell you what my machines display then off-hand -- I'm talking about when the machine is idle and ready to play, opening the door, then closing it.)


Sorry 'bout that.  I'm trying to make the point that a "Closure" message isn't a tilt of any kind, just a notification.

Doesn't "MB" mean "Middle Belly" door?  :103-
Exactly what is "MB"?

Kevin  LOOK at the pictures. I opened the door took one picture, closed the door and took another picture.  Do you see anywhere in the second picture that the door has been opened. With out ever touching the power switch. I close the door ,door open display on VFD goes out and candle goes out.  Look at the credits on the machine and the position of the reel strips , you can see I have not played a game !   Must be just some of this FU software they make us use on the West Coast !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bunker,

M is for Main Door (This is Main or Belly actually)
B is for Bill Door

CH :95-

IF you see "DOOR OPEN MB" that means that both the Main Door and BV doors are open.

On my S200 with Enhanced MPU and SG 598 when I close the Main Door I do see Closure M for a split second (just long enough if I blinked I would not see it)

Yeah, I'm just getting that closure M and RESTART that come up on the VFD along with the INSERT COIN and Play 3 Credits messages. I used a 224 clear chip, but that shouldn't matter, I got the 2 lights and all settings in the menus were reset. If it was a top box problem the VFD would indicate that, I've seen it before. I what would "fix" it, but I've got to much money in it for that :279-

Go and make the 2 green wires for the BV door are not pinched against the chassis or shorting to ground in anyway.
Very easy pinch the wires if you have removed the inner chassis of the BV and re-installed it.

A while back I recommended that if you are opening the BV door and removing the cash can regularly do not bypass the BV switch
reason being is with switch in place and not bypassed:
1 Machine detects the BV door open
2 Cash can removed (BV reports it to the machine)
3 Cash can re-inserted (BV reports it to the machine)
4 Machine detects BV door closed
Doing so allows code in the BV and machine to run in proper sequence to enable BV properly.

If you keep the BV door switch closed/bypassed, I noticed it took longer for mine to be enabled and sometimes it would not enable until I did a Bill Test.

I disabled and removed the BV :60- I really don't know what else to do. All I've got is that damn closure m and restart and I've changed everything but the sg chips. If I had an extra set I'd of done that already too which means that's probably what it is. Coinless mode is disabled and the machine reacts to signals from it, something else has to be holding it out

Time to do a full Clear?


( oh, Blueridge is going to love this!.... :72-)

While it's clear from Buzz and Knagl's posts that some chips display the closure message while others do not, the important part to take away is that those messages are not tilts or error codes. There is clearly something wrong, but it's almost certainly not any of the door switches.

Is the theme a reel touch theme and how many reels?
I am asking because maybe putting a 1270 or 50x with a basic 3 reel game from known good working machine might determine if it a mpu issue or something with the wiring in machine.
also when you switched the motherboards to go from the 1270 to 50x board did you make sure you put the 3 SENET connectors in the proper connectors on the motherboard.
top box is spare senet, door to door and cabinet to cabinet.

It's a 3 reel s2000/barcrest, Money Mad Martians.I changed from the 1270 board back to a 504 when I couldn't overcome this problem earlier today. Senet plugs are all correct. Absolutely EVERY board in this machine has been swapped for known good boards and the problem hasn't changed. I even took Buzz's advice and opened and closed the door about 50 times in a row in case it had stacked issues. I've double checked all wiring and reseated MPU and IO boards.I've wiggled and picked at the wiring harness along it's lengh to make sure nothing was shorting to something else and followed all plugs(and reseated) to make sure that if they weren't plugged in that they weren't suppose to be and if they weren't suppose to be then that they weren't shorting against something. I've actually been pretty thorough, might have to reward myself with a crown and coke or 3 or more :140-

lol! Been there done that and Jim would be proud of how little good it did. Even swapped the ram chips a bit ago to force a hard reset

Sounds like the closest member needs to come visit you and help you get it doing.

Rob  which SG chips are you using and do you have another set in a different machine ?? Did you test the spare SB100464 and make sure it was good when you got it ??

would coinless mode being enabled prevent coins from being used?

I did Jim and as far as I can tell it works great, it's in there now, thank you. The SGs are SG000138's. As far as I know they are the only ones you can use with this theme and those I don't have any backups for. At least I know NOW that 362's, 363's and 597's DON'T work :72- LOL, it's been a long day :30- I do have an update though. I re-installed the BV(for the third time) and the machine accepts and plays fine on paper money, but the coin comparitor still doesn't work. That earns me a free drink though :89- Wish I knew what the hells going on with the coin mech.

coinless mode is disabled

Foster Strange you said that, I think that will be you or TJ and I don't recall him having any S 2000.    :79- :79- :79-    It's only 174.7 miles

can door optics cause that? or a battery issue?

Sorry, I misread who sent the prvious post, this has been corrected.
Staz, both could cause it, but checked and eliminated

well unless he has moved it says 817 miles from my local to his in AZ

That's right Buzz, I forgot Foster's a Greenie. The wife's a hell of a cook if you're ever in the area Foster:)

I got it Buzz

Well,
You did good Cowboy!
You got the paper route working...
now it's just a matter of time but I'm sure you'll get the coins to work too.

It's strange though that the BV would work after it did NOT work the 1st two times huh?
Picky, picky machine you have there!


You might as well try swapping out the coin mech -
you've swapped everything else! 
It might work on the 3rd time?!?! :5-

Lol, swapped the coin mech and bracket and solenoid and optics 3 hours ago :89-
Sent out a round of karma for all who've participated in todays practice in frustration too :30- Thanks everyone for your help, hope I can gret this coin thing figured out in due course.

I can't help any more that everyone else has, other than some virtual: :252- :289- :197- :171- :278- :152- :198- :253- :154- :140- :134- :9- :222- :153- :147-
Just don't drink the :155- waiting for the Martians to arrive and save you! :72- :97- :208-

 :259- for your patience and effort! Good Karma is on your side and your machine will work the way you wan't it eventually! (Otherwise I will have to punish it and take it and it's problems away from you! :89- :71- :89- )

CH :95-

Thanks Cap, I was just commenting to a friend how lucky I am that my biggest worry today was getting that machine running. If that's not good luck then I need to re-evaluate priorities. :89-

IF the machine is not showing coin in tilts of any kind (jam or tilts)
I am wondering if the signal that enables the coin comparator is not working or not getting to the coin comparator, therefor the coin comparator is not enabled and is rejecting the coins.

Let do some looking and testing on mine to see what voltages are involved (TTL, CMOS or up to 13V)

What would I look at to see if it's got that signal? Other than disabling coinless mode of course. In the IO tests there was one called COIN IN which had a 1 next to it and one called COIN DOOR which had a 1 next to it

i never even noticed till tonight that my machine flickers door open m and closure b when i open the door on the machine....... :103-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGxkeIXLnA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKGxkeIXLnA)

I came up with 275 miles, but my "admin" info isn't as accurate as Buzz's. :96- :97- :97- :97-

Cowboy, I hope you get it working. Have another drink on me.  :222- :151- :198- :171-

Stat :31-

Thanks Stat, I'll make sure it's a good one and use the XR :89-

Since we're reaching now, how about turning the jackpot key or running a Netplex autoconfig.  :)

You'll get it fixed cowboy...no doubt.

Jason

there are 4 wires going ot the coin comparator
Red is +13VDC
Black with red is BGND (also signal ground)

Orange with blue or violet is the comparator enable signal
Orange with red is the Coin in (or good) from the coin comparator (without a scope or such we wont see it change (my meter is too slow so we wont be testing this one)
the machine still has detect coin falling through the 2 coin in optics before it will added to the credit meter or game play.

On mine when connected (machine ready to accept coins) mine reads 0 when comparator is enabled and 9 volts harness connected to comparator or 13 volts harness not connected to comparator when comparator is disabled.

Connect red lead form meter to orange with blue/violet stripe wire the black lead to the black with red stripe wire (BGND)
By the way black with red is the top most wire and the enable is the bottom most wire when the harness is plugged into the coin comparator
I have my door optics bypassed so I can do door open and closed testing while door is physcially opened

   Did you try dropping in a coin . in the coin in I/O test i think it should go from 1 to 0 to prove it sees it

A couple more good ideas Jason, but there again, tried(many times today) and no luck

I got the equipment, I'll give that a shot in the morning, I've got a full day in on this thing and it's time to let it be for the night. I'll let you know how it comes out. I wa swatching it operate today, or not operate, however you want to look at it and the reject solenoid never energizes so all coins drop through before they get to the optics. And this is with 2 completely differant comparitor/optics sets. I'm almost wondering about a bad IO socket too. Anyway, I'll check what you mentioned and post back, thanks

You know, I didn"t actually try dropping a coin in in test mode. I will tomorrow. I'm learning, I've never had issues that required using the IO tests before so I'm unfamiliar with them. Thanks for the heads up on that

If you just happened to have mailed something to two different fellows, and you still had their zip codes and you checked the mileage on Truckmiles .com and it came up 174.7 miles. I guess we could get into a pissing match as to the actual miles they each live from City Hall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seems like on this site, if you don't have the proof in your hand you must be full of crap. ( cleaned that up a little ) 

But this thread has been very helpfull. I found out Kevin has 3 perfect machines and I have 34 F/U machines. Guess I'll have a hell of a yard sale !!!!!!!!!!!!

I never said that your machines were "F/U"d, Buzz.  I did say that they were different from what I've seen, however I will take a slice of crow pie (not the whole thing, however).

I was mistaken -- all three of my machines do not act as I previously described - HOWEVER - my Game King and PE+ do act as described, and one of my S2000s does as well:

If I open and close the main door only:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CNFpBaLq5Zw/Tl32X8KbBKI/AAAAAAAAACg/jOW-beBc6hs/s640/IMAG0093.jpg)


If I open the main door, open the bill door, close the bill door, then close the main door:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R2_epjkLJzA/Tl32bbU7ioI/AAAAAAAAACk/bLef037LvDQ/s640/IMAG0094.jpg)


Please accept my apologies, Buzz, you were right that it is perfectly normal for an S2000 machine to not show the Closure message after all of the doors are closed (my other two machines do not display it, although the bottom segment of the candle does remain blinking until a paid game has been played).

My real point as I mentioned earlier and David highlighted is that a Closure message is NOT an error, not a tilt, and is not something that inhibits game play.

Let me guess -- the Closure message went away after the first paid game?  :88-

Something bugs me though...why is the BV working now after the third time?
Did you do something different?  :128-
Did you change a setting in the machine set up Options?

Yes,  closure/restart message disappeared and candle went out. I hadn't done anything differant as far as settings that third time other than to actually screw the BV housing down inside the cabinet instead of just balancing it on top of the meter housing. All other settings were the same. I was even careful to turn the machine off during ALL board and peripheral swaps yesterday. I'd started working on that damn thing about 3 hours before my first post, so it was a long and educational day. I'm going to try the things Foster suggested last night with the coin handling this morning and see if I can tie this thing up

I ran the IO test for coin in 1 and 2 and dropping a coin in never registers. I've got a 1 on both tests and they don't go to zero with a coin drop. Any ideas?

Anyone? Anyone?...Buehler....Buehler

Wow, no stones appear to be unturned, but for whatever it's worth...

What about unmodifying that has been modified and returning them to original factory spec as a troubleshooting step.  Ie bypassed switches, etc.  Might be worth a shot.

Jason

Thanks for the thought Jason, but it had this problem BEFORE the mods. The mods wdre an attempt to fix the problem :37-

Rob   I don't know if this will help you are not.

 If you recall, on a S+ or a Bally 5500 we could block the rake open on a bad comparitor and the coin dropping through the coin optics would be counted as a good coin. This is not true with a S 2000. I know I had a problem like this and I either replaced the comparitor or the optics, but I just don't remember which. ( maybe both )  

Thanks for the tip Buzz, I've literally swapped out everything on this machine but the door and cabinet wiring harness'. It's getting a little frustrating. Do the SG chips have anything to do with whether the machine will accept coins or not? Version chip?

...but it used to work with all of the components that are in there now right Rob?  Or has this machine never worked?

Jason

It was working great till I took the BV and Printer out, then no coin acceptance. Put the BV back in and alternately swapped out ALL boards and the comparitor assembly with known good ones and no change. All swapped parts work in other machines. Finally got the BV to work again after the 3rd attempt. Comparitor has power, but doesn't react during an IO test. All programming and credit limits have been checked and rechecked numerous times and I've cleared the machine 3 times over the course of this problem. That's why I'm wondering if it's a software issue related to a removable chip. I've tried swapping the SB. Don't have SG extras. Maybe I'll try the version chip

When you attempted the clear/key procedure, was the BV and printer installed or had you taken them out and tried it?  A clear shouldn't hinge on what other devices are installed, but believe me, I have had my share of botched OS reformats and/or the OS not recognizing specific devices in a PC because of hardware not being configured correctly in a system BIOS or on the motherboard itself. I guess where I was heading was...

1.  Reinstall the original BV and Printer.
2.  Perform a netplex autoconfig.  (Does an S2000 have a CRC calculate function for the BV?  I know GK/i-Game does.  Anyway, if so, I'd run that too.
3.  Whatever the result, reattempt the clear procedure.  I zap it 4-5 times to make sure everything is wiped the hell off.

If the above was tried with the printer and BV installed, attempt the clear with them NOT installed.  Does the same thing happen?

Aside from that Rob, I am seriously stumped.  Wiring harness or chips???

Jason

Join the club then Jason. I tried what you mentioned. When I origionally took the BV and printer out the only thing I did wrong was not disable the printer before I removed it. Machine was turned off and when I turned it back on it came up with the printer communication error. Ran the netplex configure option and it hasn't accepted coins since. I'm thinking I'll sit down with it tommorow and go through EVERYTHING one more time, scratch to finish

Cowboy, I went through all 6 pages & I can't give any help other then what you did.
Only thing I would do is if there are any chips you did try others I would try that. :279- :279-
Ford

Have you tried putting some different glass in, chanting to the IGT Gods, and performing the clear/key with the "Service" light on?  LOL!

Jason

I know what's wrong. You don't have MINTY strips.  just kidding

Lol! Brand spankin' new direct from the IGT god strips :89-

It couldn't hurt to clear it and start over.  While you shouldn't need to clear it, perhaps it will resolve the issue.

Does anyone know what part of the software controls coinhandling? I know the version chip controls a lot of cash related issues and jurisdiction stuff, does it or could it affect coin handling too?

I don't know but after trying all the other things why not try another chip, it can't hurt.

That and I could unplug the top box and slide in my Triple Double Stars conversion kit board in to see if it works that way too. That would at least give me a differant set of SG chips to try.

Good idea

 :30- :30- :30- Well boys, it's party time... :198- :151- :140- :140- :140-
Changed the version chip and put the 4th differant comparitor in and I have coin handling :3- :3- :3-

 :wa :136- :105-
Ford

Do you know if version chip or comparator ?

I was going to ask the same thing...
I'd be swapping out the coin comp with one of the others to rule out the CC's.

I hate to ask a dumb question but I've been told that there ARE NO dumb questions...lol

Anyways, on the other coin comps - were the coin sensitivity dials adjusted right?

I personally like to turn the sensitivity dial counter-clockwise all the way
]and then turn it clock-wise about a little more than a quarter turn.

I hope this helps at all?

I'm not superspicious or anything, but I'm gonna try the last comparitor that didn't work in a differant machine and I'll let you know in a couple minutes. And a HUGE thank you for all the help and support from everyone getting through this problem

A couple minutes later..

The last comparitor I took out of the machine that wasn't working when removed, now works in my Triple Red Hot Sevens machine

Then it was the chip. I suggested that in post 21.
Ford

lol...about 71 posts ago... :72-

Sorry Ford, I musta missed that one, woulda saved me lots of time:(

When"s the last time anyone saw a Version chip go bad? I don't remember EVER reading anything like that on the site.  Jurisdiction issues and multi-denom issues, but not a bad chip

Shows that your human. We all miss some of the posts. Main thing is you got it working.
Ford

I'm glad you got it going...  :89-
Was thinking I'd have to make a trip down there and kick yer butt!  :96-  ( just kidding ya !)

Way to go Rob!  To be honest we knew what the fix was all along, we just wanted see where your breaking point of insanity was.  LOL!!  Just kidding.

Jason

LOL! Seven golf courses, no waiting Bunker. Mowed and cups moved daily :89- I'm going back down for a few rounds in Oct

Let's just say it's a good thing I don't keep a hammer in the slot room tool area:)

WOW!  I was afraid that I was going to read this post and hear that you KILLED your machine by now!!! :279-
 :92- :wa :136- :105-

CH :95-

LOL! It was a pain in the arse and it came close at one point, but it paid off in the long run. Thanks again everyone for the help :3-