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This is probably a dumb question....but what the heck. :71-

About 9 years ago my wife and I went on a cruise where we played the dot matrix WMS "Big Bang Piggy Banking" for the first time.  About 5 years after that I decided to buy it and found it super cheap, or so I thought, at $625.  I remember bringing it home turning it on for the first time and being disappointed because it seemed to be missing something...at least from what I remembered.  I have been wracking my brain about this for years. :25-

You all know how during play the Piggy does some silly antics up in the dot matrix box.  For example a feather lands on the pigs nose and he/she lets out a big sneeze....  Well I distinctly remember the Pig during an Elvis impersonation of some kind on the machine I played on the ship and it was the first thing I looked for when I got my machine home...well it just does not do it.  So question is  :103- am I remembering wrong or was there different versions of this game out there based perhaps on local market????

I thought maybe my memory was just bad, but I asked my wife yesterday about it and she said "oh yeah...I remember that...how come your machine doesn't do that?".  Well my memory is horrible and I can forget somebody's name 2 minutes after I meet them....but my wife has the memory of an elephant which makes me think that maybe I am not completely crazy...  :5-

Anybody out there have any insight on this???

Thanks.

Jim S

Yes there is more than one Version of the Top Box Graphics, did your machine you have come from AC NJ?, those I believe always had the graphics that didn't have the cool things like the X-Ray and Feather

it's the rom in the top box.. WMS got sued by graceland and was ordered to remove the ELVIS PIG from the game..   

:97- graceland had no sense of humor :97-

But on the good side not all of the roms got nuked as ordered by the court..  its rumored that some survived.  :3-

My wife's Big Bang Piggy Bankin' (came from Ottawa) does the Elvis impersonation, which is good since she's a fan (well, we both are really).  You could upgrade yours by doing a "software" change which involves changing the eproms and clearing with the correct denomination key/clear chip.

Good luck,
Wayne

Hah!!!  Thank you all for confirming...I remember my wife and I laughing our azz off at that game on the cruise with the Elvis Pig....sure it had more to do with the 2 bottles of cheap wine we downed with dinner... :97-

Would love to get my hands on a set if anyone out there has everything I would need to make the change.

My machine was built in 1999 in Chicago...it has the Feather, X-Ray, Butterfly on Nose, Popping Pig...maybe something else can't remember.

Thanks again...K+ to you all.

Jim S

This is just flat out wrong and at best, "urban legan."
I know the guy that worked at wms and that did
the DOT programming for Piggy Bankin and Big Bang.
If you would like to ask him directly, his name is Scott
and he now works at LED in chicago.  He doesn't
answer email very well, but you can always ask Duncan
(also at LED), since they had cubes next to each other
at Wms during this era. Apparently Duncan was driven
crazy by Scott and the development of these two Pig games.

ALL the animations are random. And there's 100's of
them. You could play regular Piggy and BB Piggy and
not see the Elvis animation for days of continuous play.
Both regular Piggy (there's only ONE version) and Big Bang
both have Elvis. And there's only one version of each
game's DOT software.

But generally speaking, you will see Elvis more often
on Piggy Bankin than on Big Bang Piggy Bankin. The reason
is simple, there's way more animations in Big Bang (it
uses twice the dot ROM space of Piggy), so the
chance of seeing the Elvis animation is much reduced
due to the sheer number of animations the game has
to choose from.

Negatory sir, I have 2 different Big Bang Top Box Eprom Versions, and I can personally state there are less animations on the one, I had a Big Bang since 1999 in my showroom, when I dig them out I will post pics

FWIW, I've never seen the Elvis animation on my Big Bang game, but I've seen all the other animations dozens of times (archjds - one you forgot was the "flashbulb" camera animation where the pig gets blinded after his picture is taken).

On all the times that my Big Bang game has been played I only see at the most about a dozen animations that keep playing over. In the 2 1/2 years I've had the game I have not seen any other animations play other than those. How bout a list of the animations? Feel Free to add more.

Feather                                                                      
Butterfly
X-Ray
Camera Flash
Pin Popping
Mirror
Pinch or tail pull?
Spider Scare
Blink & Yawn
Fly on nose/Raspberry
Chewing Gum- Pops on Face
Chewing Gum- Bubble floats away
Coin in- Propeller Tail
Coin in-$$ eyes
Coin in-Oink & Wink
Coin in-Facing Laugh & Snort
Coin in- Chews then Burps
Coin in-Turns in circle Giggling

 Dan (tacman)

I have the Big Bang Piggy Bankin round top and mine does the elvis and all the other ones as posted here.  I have had it going on a couple years now.  I do not play it that much but it's still fun when I do.  Thanks B. 

I talked to duncan and scott today about this, to try and
get the facts right from the guys that did the DOT animations.

Piggy was a Telneas game. So when Wms lost the Telneas
patent, they could no longer sell games using Telneas (like
Piggy). Since Piggy Bankin was their #1 selling game up till
that time, they didn't want to abandone the franchise.

So scott did Big Bang Piggy Bankin. This did not use the Telneas
patent. But they added another bonus game to it. This was
done for a couple reasons.  The primary reason was Piggy Bankin
was "rapable". That is, much like Xfactor, when the game got
just short of 30 coins in the bank, you *knew* the game was
getting ready to pay off. Xfactor had the same thing, that is
when it got to 9x you knew 10x was right and ready to pay off.

So to do away with this, they made the "break the bank" feature
a much smaller part of the game (unlike the original Piggy).
That is, you could not win a ton of coins in break the bank.
All the coin winning were shifted to the roulette wheel style
bonus game.

Ok now what about Elvis?  Did Wms get sued? the answer is
NO they did NOT get sued, nor even threatened. BUT wms was a
bit "gun shy" about Elvis, seeing how they just lost the Telneas
patent. So not wanting to go through that again, The Elvis
animations were left out of Big Bang Piggy Bankin. At least that's
what Scott remembers.

So in summary:
Piggy Bankin (all versions) have Elvis.
Big Bang Piggy Bankin (all versions) do NOT have Elvis (so says Scott).

So that begs the questions... PwrStroke claims to have seen
Elvis in Big Bang.  So PwrStroke we need your EPROM versions
which are available through the diagnostic button on the
board door.

PICs of big bang elvis would be good too!

FWIW, they brought back the Elvis pig in part with the video slot "Rich Little Piggies" -- as I recall, one of the symbols is the Elvis pig.  This slot also has a lot of the original sounds and music from Big Bang Piggy Bankin'.

PWRSTROKE,

Can you post a picture of the Elivis on your machine???

I can positively state that my wife's Big Bang Piggy Bankin' has at least one elvis on it ( I kinda think there's two).  Perhaps Barry's machine came from Canada also.  I'll see what I can do about capturing the elvis pig in action.

Thanks,
Wayne

here is the elusive elvis pig.

...

...

here is the other pig returning.

Well there he is...just as I remembered....apparantly "Scott" at WMS needs to be given this link to see for himself.

Okay guys...all kidding aside now...who can I purchase these eproms from ? :79-

I am going to upload a video to youtube then post it here.  The file was much bigger than I thought so I may have to edit it.  check back later or tomorrow.

I believe Jim said he has both versions.  I'm not sure if you would just need the top box eproms, or everything.

Thanks,
Wayne

The video starts with the x-ray then hits a big bang, then in a little while elvis makes his appearance. Video may still be processing. I hope the quality is good, it was 110mb.

Enjoy,
Wayne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE-sE2fY0s8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE-sE2fY0s8)

hahahaa :97-

I would like to propose this for Video of the Week #3

Thanks for making the video Wayne.  :3-

It's a shame that Elvis made his appearance just as you hit a 45+ coin winning spin. :79- At least he showed up.  :71-

Elvis has left the building.

 :72- :72- :72- :72- :72- :72-

Sorry, had to be said.

Dan #2

I had hoped for some Elvis jokes.  Williams may have tried to kill him off, but we all know he's alive!
Stat, I'm not surprised you noticed I hit the 7s when elvis came out

Have a good night,  I have a doctors appointment in the morning, so I better go to bed.

Thanks,
Wayne

Yup. You want to be sure to be rested and feeling your best when you see the doctor; that's what they're there for. :30- :72-
Thanks again for the video. :89- I mean, "Thank You. Thank you very much."  :124-

What is Elvis saying there -- is it just, "Well, hello there!"?

I will email the video to duncan and scott for a reaction...

I looked last night and the Canadian machines had V 1.01 and some US games from a Midwest jurisdiction had V 1.0, the Canadian games had the newer Top Box Driver o/s, I still have to look and see what version the NJ games have

Being healthy is only the slowest rate in which you can die....highly over rated....

I showed Scott and Duncan the video to Big Bang that
Mopar posted. Scott said, "hmmmm, i swear we took
out Elvis, but i guess we didn't."  I know not the best
reply but that's what he said.

Well... they did at some point, apparently -- my Big Bang doesn't have Elvis in it.

Hi Jay,
  My wife forced me to go, she's great(I really mean this), she actually "rushed" me off the phone or I would have been late to the appointment, now I have to go for all kinds of tests tomorrow.  I'll be sure to keep an eye out for Elvis while at the lab.  Nothing to worry about though, I'm sure.

Thanks,
Wayne

Nice video Wayne, I have sold at least 6 of the Piggy Bankin machines over the years but yours is the first I have seen with the Elvis feature. Pretty Cool  :131- :131- :131-

dansgames  :5-

Wayne's dotmation chips are version 1.01 (compared to most
everyone else that is using version 1.00). They have a different
chksum obviously. But i think you also need his lower CPU board
XU2 and XU3 chips to make the complete transition to Big Bang
Elvis Piggy.

The latest set made are available, either top or top and bottom 2, 3 & 5 coin versions

More information on this.

DOT version 1.01 is *only* the XU4 dot ROM.
That is, XU3 version 1.00 and 1.01 are the same.
is that right?

here's the breakdown...

Non-Elvis
NJ juristiction. 92% return, 3 coins.
DOT version 1.00 for XU4
S rEl  5.07 U
S SyS 5.21
S daT 5.00
Sound 1.00
dot xu3 - cksum 1a84
dot xu4 - cksum ?

Elvis version??
Std juristiction. 90%, 3 coins.
DOT version 1.01 for XU4
S rEl  5.04
S SyS 5.14
S daT 5.00
Sound 1.00
dot xu3 - cksum 1a84
dot xu4 - cksum 5f4a
 

Hi guys my big bang piggy game has elvis also but very hard to get him to come out. It comes out when you hit the tripple bars with no wild. I also had a new one that I never saw before.When i hit the tripple bars with no wild a car came accros the screen with a piggy driving it and waving. Never seen that one before.I also have a piggy banking that the elvis comes out every third time you get a big pig on the pay line.

Can you try to catrch it on video?

Thanks,
Wayne

I will try. I forgot to tell you when he drove accross the screen he came from left to right into the bank. When elvis comes out he comes from the bank accross right to left.

I seem to remember the car thing, but I'm not clear on wether it's on my wife's machine
Thanks,
Wayne

Can anyone Confirm this?

Hi Jonathon,
   It took quite a while for the Elvis pig to visit, I got lucky in being able to record it.  give it time.

Thanks,
Wayne

Thanks Wayne I have played for 2 or 3 hours for three days now.   :96-

I think I have seen each of the other animations at least once -

We play our piggy game a couple hours each night and I still haven't had Elvis pop back up yet.  It's been weeks.  The only thing we have been able to hit is the 1400 coin jackpot again, just last night.

But you have seen him before?

Yup, he is on my machine, still in hiding though. :37-  But as far as I know, my machine came from Canada :89- and I hear the chips were different up there.  :103-

would you be able to check the checksum on the chips for me?  I would then know if we have the same version game.

Only if you tell me how to do it. :103-  If it's easier to explain on the phone PM me.

Jd         he doesn't have a burner but his machine came out of the same litter as the one I still have. Pretty darn sure it came out of Canada. All the instruction on the machine are in English and French. I will get down to his home and get the check sums for you. Buzz   

PS  I had that machine a year and a half and I never saw Elvis, plus the darn thing never paid me anything Ron has it three weeks and hits the Jack Pot three times and Elvis stops by and says Hello!!!   

That's Crazy!!  I just want to confirm exactly what version has Elvis -  The chips should be labeled with the checksum.

I just sent you a PM with the check sums on the game I still have.  Will get down to Rons and check his soon Buzz 

I tried to replace the lower XU2 and XU3 and I got this "JuR BAD" error.

that's because different xu2/xu3 chips were made for different juristictions.
to use the new chips you'll need to change RN3 on the Slot I/O board
to make it work. there's basically 3 setting for this:

1. "standard". which means no RN3 jumpers
2. NJ.  the left most jumper is installed at RN3. between pins 8 & 9.
3. LV.  RN3 jumpers installed between pins 8 & 9 and pins 6 &11.

The lower chips won't make Elvis appear for the record

What's the difference in the chips then?

Your topbox display has a separate board with eproms on it that control the bonnus graphics. When you do a game change those would have to be changed as well to the theme you are changing to.

 Dan (tmann)

By the time this is done I hope to know exactly what chips are needed for Elvis.  :79-

Buzz - I'll be gone until Tuesday so after that you can come over and check things out if you want. :89-

Jonathon  You PM me and said you now have Elvis. Now you must tell me and everyone else, what combination of chips did you end up using?  Buzz

Sure cfh was correct

Std juristiction. 90%, 3 coins.
DOT version 1.01 for XU4
S rEl  5.04
S SyS 5.14
S daT 5.00
Sound 1.00
dot xu3 - cksum 1a84
dot xu4 - cksum 5f4a

This will definitely gives you an Elvis pig... I'll try to catch him on film.    :72-

Now here is what I'm going to try next.  Jim at Blueridge said lower XU3 and XU2 don't determine if you have an Elvis pig or not.     I'm going to leave lower
XU-3 as 5.14 and change my lower XU-2 chip to the 92% and see if I can get him to come out.  I believe that the lower XU2 only determines the pay percentage.

Don't expect to see him very often.  Had I known he wasn't going to be around very often I would have tried to get a pic of him when I seen him.

How did you get rid of the "JuR Bad" Error? 

some jurisdictions require a soldered jumper, when it's standard you have to remove this.

W

I was changing the jumpers.  I went back and read cfh's post about bank RN3.  When I looked at the board more closely I found out I was changing the wrong bank of jumpers.  I cut the solider wires and was good to go. 

I may have to put them back to get XFactor to work.  Hopefully "Standard" covers all jurisdictions.

unfortunately "standard" does not cover all juristictions.
if a ROM was programmed for New Jersey, then it will
require a NJ RN3 jumper. having it set for RN3 NV or all
RN3 removed won't work.

Maybe I can get actual jumpers to put on that bank so it won't be an issue.

using a DIP switch would be best. the problem is,
that board is 4 layers. so doing any soldering work on
that board is a bitch. you could ruin the board if you're
not good with a desoldering iron.

williams didn't use a DIP switch because the whole
point behind this was to make it a bit of a chore
to change juristictions. if you're running a game in
LV you don't want NJ software running in it.

OK, I have had this set up for weeks now and still no Elvis Pig.
I had out of town guest over for the last 2 weeks and when they were not at the pool they were playing Big Bang.
I have run through thousands of credits, Hit the top award and all others below that. Got over 800 on the bonus rounds and still no Elvis.
Has anyone had any luck with this set up?   :37-

I have only seen Elvis on mine one time, a couple months ago.  We have been trying to get him to come back up but not yet.  I have the camera out here just in case he pops up again.  I guess he shows up when he hasn't 'left the building'  :72-

 :3- :3- :3- :3- :3- :3- :3- :3- :3- :3- I JUST GOT ELVIS TONIGHT!!!!!!!

please please stick with it.   
I hit this -  and Elvis when came out-    I quickly leaned over to get the camera and fell out of the chair, knocked my drink over and scared the hell out of the dog.   It happened so quick that what I'll have to do is leave the camera recording when I play to capture him.  He mumbled something too.

No I have been playing an average of $100 a day for about 2 weeks as well.


sd card not working ... will reboot for pic.. brb

OK Here's the hit.  Now I have been trying to track Elvis and his hit frequency.  I have to say that this -  with all the time playing tripple bar hit is more rare. 


PS Anyone know an easy way in vista or 7 to shrink a photo?    It sucks I have to go in to photoshop and shrink size.  On a mac it is easy as 123.

Ashyron - you have this setup?  With all the checksums i mean

I don't know what I have.  Buzz hasn't come over yet to check it out. I just know I have Elvis cause I have seen him and he says something like "How you doin?" and then takes off.  Where ever your game came from, my Stampede Deluxe came from the same place.  Your tracking bar says the same thing mine does.  I'll have to search and see where the instructions are to find the checksum and other info. :103-

Buzz will know.  :131-

Like Wayne says - Don't open the door unless you must.

I believe the "One Club" was a player's card in Vegas multiple properties used like 7-8 years ago.  It seems I got one from Circus Cirus and at one time or another - but it had multiple properties on it...

Dan #2

Have Buzz check it out for us!
I would love to have Elvis on my machine. I have been playing for weeks with the previous set-up with no luck.

Buzz please let us know what we need !!

neon   Main board  XU 2   883F            DOT. board    XU 3   1A84
                           XU 3   8BBD                               XU  4   5F4A
    Now there seems to be a lot of questions if the main board chips need to be changed. Stat said when he changed his Mermaid Gold, the lower chips changed the graphics. Now how I become a expert on Elvis I don't know. Hell I had that machine over a year and I've yet to see the King!!!   Robert you have a email

Thanks Buzz,
I'll keep check it out tomorrow.
Too late tonight to do anything.  :149-

The ONE Club was used by Mirage, Ti etc before they were merged with MGM,

OK I did some checking and I have the same numbers on my chips that Buzz mentioned in his post.

On the old site we used to have a good post that gave direction on how to do this easily, I found this thread that at least mentions the proram, IRFANVIEW, which I have used for a long time. It is a great little program. STATFREAK may still have the text of the old instructions???  :103- :103- :103-

This should at least help you out for now:

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=432.msg2643#msg2643 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=432.msg2643#msg2643)

CaptainHappy  :95-

Within Vista you can right click on a picture and choose to email it, which will pop up an option to compress the picture for emailing.
You will then have a email window up with your smaller attachment which you can then right click and save onto you hard drive under a different name (as you don't want to overwrite your orginal). Youi can then attach that to your post. Hacky but it works.

Infranview remains one of my favoriate graphic transition programs.

Irfanview is a great program for making simple changes to image files and has a fantastic batch function that, once properly set, can resize multiple images with just a few clicks. The reason that I did not re-post the instructions is that our new site automatically shrinks large images for display in posts. The reader has to click on the image to see it full sized. This saves bandwidth and helps keep the page load times reasonable for those with dial up service, which was the reason that we used to restrict image sizes.

I found my old instructions but they don't include using the batch process. I will create a new document and post it in a new thread.

I was hoping for a quick way in the preview.   It's annoying to open a separate program just to shrink a photo.   On a mac you can open the image using the default image viewer and change its size and type.

Stat,

Good point but not entirely true (just mostly). The Forum software will resize the inpost image for presentation purposes but it doesn't shrink the size of the file. If your file size is too large regardless of the picture size you can't easily post it without first bringing down the byte count. 

True.

Elvis Pig' showed up when I hit the PURPLE 7, PURPLE 7 and RED 7. I'm thinking that certain hits trigger animations. I haven't hit the above combination again nor have I seen 'Elvis Pig' any other time.

Nice going Dale  :244- :3- :244-
I guess there is hope for me. I have been running this combo for a year now and have not seen the Elvis..  :37-
Elvis has left my machine  :58-

He might only show up on some of the 7's combinations.

Hey JDKMunch, were you able to exchange the Standard XU2 (90%) to the LV XU2 (92%)? Did you have to change to  the  6 and 8 jumpers?

what about doing a reel strip test on you machine to see if he shows up in the test mode ????

I did the Reel Strip test (5 in bet window) but there was no Dot Box animation. What do I need to do to bring up the animations?

im not sure i did have a machine here , was not sure if it would work or not , i guess it did not work, so now you just need to keep playing and how you hit the combo needed to see elvis,  see you in a hundred yrs, or so   :79- :79-

'Elvis Pig' visited me again. This time he showed up with Triple Bar with a pig, Wild, Triple Bar no pig. My wife witnessed it and now knows I am not crazy as I have been playing this game quite a bit. Actually, she probably thinks I am worse off then she thought, all this for a 3 second glimpse of 'Elvis Pig'.

... and the video?  :200- :30- :97- :97-

All I had was my phone and I wasn't fast enough. Believe me I thought I was ready, He's a slippery one. Anybody that gets a video deserves a medal.

The trick is to simply have a video camera on a tripod running all the time, every time you play the machine. Dump the losing sessions and start over if you run out of memory/tape. When he finally shows up, you stop the camera and edit the video on your computer. That's how most of our regular slot video posters do it.

I believe that 'Elvis Pig' went zipping by in a tiny car. I hit a Red 7, Purple 7 and Red 7. It went by left to right, no warning. As the first two sevens came up I went to turn on my camcorder on my phone and he was gone before I hit record. Elvis does live!

He is hard to catch!

 :96-

It's just plain old luck.....  :96-

W

 I had the dotmation machine for years - only saw Elvis once.
Countless hours spent playing her too.   I traded her in
Only because I was afraid to leave the slot on like my others.
With credits in the machine the dot screen just sits and burns.

The trick is to turn the reset key and turn off the dotmation screen when not it play.

I did that all the time too - but it just
Irked me to have to do that all the time.

A few times my wife started pressing buttons
And messed stuff up too.

What was she doing out of the kitchen?

 :97- :72-






Oh, it's a joke people, lighten up!   :200-

Hey guys, I was reading some old posts, very interesting about the different versions for software in Big Bang Piggy Bankin. Did the question about which model machines and/or software versions the Elvis animation appeared in ever get resolved for sure? At one time it was thought that Elvis was only in the original Piggy Bankin (telneas type machine), that when the later model Big Bang Piggy Bankin came out he had been removed. How did this all sort out?

Thanks!

Here's another Video of ELVIS pig Thanks to pinrepair.com
http://www.pinrepair.com/slots/wms/piggybank.wmv (http://www.pinrepair.com/slots/wms/piggybank.wmv)

Mike

:212-

That's what I've been doing and recommending for years.



If you've turned the switch with the door closed it's in bookkeeping mode. She can't mess anything up; she can only step through all of the data off of the various main menus.