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my machine was working fine shut it off later in the night i turn it on and im getting a reel 5 tilt then door open m then closure B........ NOW WHAT DO I DO... :279- :99- :99- :99-

Check to make sure your belly door is closed and then the main door. If it doesn't reset you probably have bad door optics or an optics alignment problem. I was getting various reel tilts till I finally bypassed door optics after replacing them twice. They just wouldn't adjust enough to line up properly. Goes back to IGT's crappy door piano hinge. Just a suggestion...

Staz  With the door open just turn the jackpot key, close the door and your done.

optics look okk this happened to me a while back last time i  checked all wire plugs and it worked this time it isnt.......basicly im getting a wiggle on my top reel .......this part in the vid....

I wanted to watch your video clip but this pop up came on the screen.  :5-
What the heck is that?  :103-
lick on screenshot to enlarge if needed...>>>

Bunker That's all right you can't make heads or tails of the video anyway.

Staz  Do you have a 5 reel game or we talking about the top bonus wheel ????????????????

top bonus wheel.......

ill upload a better video if i open the door and turn the reset key i get accounting on the front of the machine?

BUNKER  you posted LICK on  screenshot   :103- ?????? :103-   Is this some type of new SCATCH  and SNIFF and LICK program that is new to me???  :208- :208- :208-

heres whats happening.......i cant remember how i fixed it last time......it feels like its stuck......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qPOdEYsmgY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qPOdEYsmgY)

Staz  I want to repeat myself. Open the door and turn the jackpot switch that's located on the outside of the machine. DO NOT PRESS THE TEST BUTTON

as i open the door then turn the reset key it shows up as accounting then i close the door and i get same errors....... reel 5 tilt and closure mb  and call attendant...... what kills me is this machine was running great for months........ i dont even no where to begin.....to get any parts for this is gonna be a miricle.....

You posted this as a S 2000, were not working on your Bally are we ??  None of my S 2000 take me into book keeping when I turn the key with the door open.  :103- :103- :103-

 I got a whole load of machines that had SG000155 game chips and I got a s**T load of reel tilts All I had to do was open the door and turn the key, close the door the machine would boot up and try to finish the spin. Nine times out of ten it would tilt again,  (changed to SG000363 no more tilts).  Had about fifteen machines do this.  Anymore if I see a SG000155 it goes into the trash.

 Let's be clear, I know nothing about the top reel you have.

Staz, just out of curiosity, how do you turn the power off on your machine?  With the power switch inside of the machine or from a power strip?

The door optics topic always gives me the creeps, so I shut all of my machines on and off at the power switch and set my token values up at 100 dollar value now to minimize the number of times that i have to open and close the door and put wear and tear on the coin comparitor and mechanical components of the hopper.  

Jason

I know nothing about "the big wheel" either, but can it be manually spun with the power off like a standard reel?  Maybe spinning it with the power off would help it...again, assuming it can be done.

Jason

i always use the power button.....i tried spinning it......it spins manually..... about 5 months ago this happened it drove me nuts for a week then all of a sudden i must of did something and it spun normal......never had a problem since today....it can be so many things.......

heres the errors i get and they wont clear...........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rRXW76fgkA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rRXW76fgkA)

Reseat the MPU?

Jason

Could errors be stacked?  Did you open and close the door several times in a row?

Rob fought a closure MB a while ago...

Check here:
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=14518.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=14518.0)

Jason

Staz, if you turn the machine off and on what does that top wheel do? It's a netplex device so I would think if it weren't working or was the problem, you'd come up with a netplex device error, not a 5th reel tilt error

Also, just to be clear, that's a 3 reel base using a 3 reel wire harness, not a modified 5 reel wire harness, correct?

yes its a 3 reel harness im check mpu board.......

i swapped out mpu boards with a diff set of the software and no change reel still wobbleing........ no change same error codes after going through the 3 sec clear with a diff mpu.....

I was asking about the 5 reel wire harness because I use one on one of my 3 reel machines with the 4th and 5th reel plugs jumpered. If this was the case and one of the jumpers came loose it would error on that reel. Do you have an alternate backplane to try?

no i dont but i checked all the plugs.... all secure........only other guess it could be a bad reel motor?

No one mentioned that the "B" door switch may be bad. open up your cash box door and check the accuator. If it is saying closure B then that is telling you that the cash box door was recently opened and that would cause a reel tilt. IGT S2000 error codes do not stack like Bally codes.

how do you check the actuater and where is it?

The actautor is the metal arm that is connected to the microswitch. The switch is near the locking mechanism. A lot of times the acuator falls off or is damaged but the switch could still be worn also. The error "B Closure" is not an error at all it is just letting you know what happened to the machine prior to last game play. Closure is a past participle of close. But if you in fact have a "B Closure" message then for a fact that switch came open during the last game play or after.

Cashbox door switch, if it's not already bypassed, should be, with the wires cut off and tied together. Same with the belly door switch :89-

would that cause a reel tilt 5?

Yeah i forgot everyone here has home machines. Our gaming commission will not let us do that. But if it is indeed spliced together then you would or should not get the B closure message. SO it is worth a check. If it is spliced by twisting the wires, then it is possible for that to come undone or have a loose connection. Also with a lot of usage with your cash can you can cut other wires partially and have one ground to the chassis causing erratic signals. I have seen that happen also. The biggest mistake my technicians make is not check the easy things first. They assume everything is good and it has to be deep into the machine. Just verify the splice is still good then move on at least.

Any door open will cause any reel to tilt including reel 5 tilt.

Would that hold true for a reel 5 tilt on a 3 reel machine?

heres the inside of my cashbox it looks secure........when i close it......

If someone had swapped the harness of a three reel with a five reel maybe it will. I use the required parts in our shop so that would be something to check out. Other wise it should not.

Check your switch if the red little button is not rounded on the top and is flat then it is going to be intermittent. Also maybe the door is coming loose. If not then continue with the troubleshooting. I just did not see that the B door was check at all in the prior posts.

Staz, when you plug the game in or turn on the power switch, does the bonus wheel start a slow incramental rotation while the machine boots until it comes up with the error? I've watched these bonus wheel machines turn on before and it seems like that wheel always did that before the main reels finally spun and the game was ready to play. That's another question. When it boots, do the reels spin before the error or does it never get that far?

We do to usually, but sometimes ya gotta use what's handy. That reminds me, I gotta pick up another 3 reel harness...

Yeah i hear you. It would be nice sometimes to do that here, but if the commission hears of it they may not be happy. But in this case a three wheel with a bonus wheel can have a reel tilt with the b door coming open. A lot of times the bonus wheel reports as reel 5.

Dang I just threw away 50 of those. I should have saved some and got permission to bring them home.

when the game boots up the bill validater cycles through then the bonus wheel starts to shake not going foward as it suppose to be going slowly around....then no data flashes across the progressive......then after a minute the reels spin and the progressive pops up but  errors occor..... CALL ATTENDANT, CLOSURE B,DOOR OPEN M,AND REEL 5 TILT........

So you close the main door and still have M door open? And you checked your opticsand door switches, interesting. I will ask some of my techs if they have an idea.

50 what? Careful how you answer here, wasting good parts is crime punishable by... well, by nothing, but it's a damn shame!

when i close the door at start up i get CALL ATTENDANT,CLOSURE MB,AND REEL 5 TILT

We had some bonus wheels that did that. We reseated some of the wheels and their connectors and plugs to get the tilt to go away. It may be a bad motor on the wheel. Can you get it running, and if you do what does the machine say when the tilt intiailly happens? If it does'nt have a door open tilt thenit is the bonus wheel or an IO or other factor controlling it. I know you have been through this with the other guys, i am just trying to catch up. Its always good to go through it all again. I tell the techs that your best tool for troubleshooting is the other techs you work with or can talk to.

I think everyone needs to step back and think.  Staz says he closes the door and the lower three reels spin. To me that means all the switches are working as they should. If just one of them was open the lower reels would not boot up. Unless I'm missing something, the error has to be caused by the one reel that will not spin, in this case the top one. If I remember correctly in that top box there are driver boards and all kinds of BS that I know nothing about.

 shivwitts  I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest with you but a S 2000 can and will stack errors.

Buzz,
What happens in the lower part of the machine doesn't affect his topbox wheel.
The problem is that his bonus wheel optical tabs are missing the optics...common with WOF's.

The hub has to come off along and with the power off,
you manually turn the wheel to see where it's either hitting or missing the optics.
When the hub is screwed back on, you have to make sure the
wheel is perfectly vertical and not out of alignment with the optics.
It's a very fine line in the optics/tabs area and it must allow the
tabs to go completely through the optics or you get a reel error [5].

Once the wheel is aligned, re-install the glass, power up the machine
and you ought to be good to go.

okay this is to weird...... i slammed my cashbox door closed a few times and closed the door and all the errors went away.......so there has to be something in the cash box door that caused me to be up all night messing with this machine....... i really want to through this machine out the window....lol jk........so now who can give me a picture detail of what to look for in my cashbox door and how to tighten it....... im very clueless when it comes to optics........ i really appreciate all the help on here....... i bet my cashbox is worn out cuz i open it a few thousand times being my machines a $150 a spin......i cant believe it was the cashbox all this time......

Yes Buzz I know they do , but they do not do it like Bally's do. In an IGT you dont clear them like a Bally by restting the options switch. IGT will have multiple errors but will not "stack" them like Bally machines. The netplex will not allow one error to be repeated several times like the other. But thank you for your clarification. And yes the driver boards a lot of the time up top can be reseated (dont hot swap). My apologies for asking about the B door. I do realize that several of the people on this site would make awesome slot technicians. Who i would gladly have work in our shop. So i am not trying to step on any ones feet. Just trying to help.

 I am glad you got it working!!

That's awesome. These machines are just wierd sometimes. You never know where the fault will lie. Just remember with IGT and Netplex the cause could be anywhere.

i cant believe all these errors..... was due to that little metal roller in the cash box door wasnt making contact......i want to thank everyone on here everyone gets  :259- karma :3- :3-

Staz,

This is why most people at home disable this switch and bypass it by tying the wires together.  :71-

CH :95-

still getting same errors  :103- :103-  are these the 2 wires i tie together?

i tied them together and still getting same errors ........i cant figure it out....... it worked foer a few spins and errors came back.....

Does your machine have a belly door switch?

no i never opened the belly door theres a lock on it.....

Yes, those are the wires for the Bill Door Switch, just make sure they are tied together well and that no wire is exposed that can short to anything. Best to use a crimp connector or wire nut and cover with electrical tape.

You may want to check and reseat all top box connections, especially to the reel driver board...

CH :95-

i bypassed the cash box optics now im getting closure M and reel 5 tilt? whats closure M?

whats this mean under input prossecer  my bill validater and main door flash 0 then 1 constantly?

closure M means you have closed the main door.

I posted a long time ago, and recently a couple of times that bypassing that switch is not a good idea and will not affect trouble shooting if you make sure the switch is working when you close the BV door.

IGT coded the SG (Game Chips) so when the BV door opens it disables the machine, BV and shows the tilt "DOOR OPEN B" and when closed (no other issues) machine and BV are enabled.

This is what the machine is expecting concerning that switch and the cash can
home user                                     
You open main door (tilt shows on VFD) or belly door (tilt may show on VFD if belly door switch installed -same as main door open)
You open BV door (switch opens) machine disables game play, BV and displays BV door tilt       
remove cash can                           
do what ever you wanted to do with the cash can
install cash can
close BV door (switch closes)
you close main or belly door
machine enables game and BV

I have noticed when I bypassed mine shortly before I made the first post saying not to bypass the switch the machine took way longer to enable the BV.

so any ideas what i should do? im so lost should i reconect the wires back on the cash box door?

Yes, since it don't seem to be the problem.

i just cant figure out whats left to check...... all connections on top wheel are secure, i swapped out mpu's same error codessh up.......im leaning its the reel motor but why would it work for a little bit today.......th stop working again... :103- :103-

Staz  Try opening and closing the main door latch 6 or 7 times. You don't have to swing the door open, just lift the latch and then close it.  Might not help but worth a try.

thanks buzz i tried no luck, but i did try something that worked i felt behind the top box on the molex connector hanging down..... as the machine was powering on i sqweezed on the molex connector and the wheel started moving normal i let go of it and it went back to shaking.......so i unplugged it and replugged it and applied some pliers to it and wammoooo my machines working again....... i spent from 11 last night till 4 in the morning then 8am today till 10 tonite on this damm machine im soo tired i just hope this solved the problem......its running good now.........again thanks to you guys i fixxed this.......id be lost without you guys......

I figured that one of the many top box connections was going to be the culprit! :89- Glad that you are up and rolling!!! :3- :244- :161-

Wheel all agree that you were sure sad that you could not play your super cool toy! :279-

CH :95-

i need help i was actually really sad lol...... my friends called me up tonite to go clubbing and i blew them off to fix this machine....... i was determined....lol

Congradulations Staz! Glad ya got er whipped! :244- :244- :259-

I loose, hanging Molex connection...
Zip tie it up to the reel cage so it doesn't come off again!

Good job Staz!

okay here we go again :279- i turned my machine on and the same thing happened...... :37- i snapped lol...... :25- i took appart the top again......i was paying all my attention to the molex connector which seemed fine and secure so im jiggleing the wires in the back as i have the machine turned on...... i come across this other black little box with  wires wrapped around it  leaning against the back of topbox.... i move it away from the metal panel in the back of the top box while the wheel is shaking and BOOM..... it starts moving like its suppose to......whats the use of this? its something to do with static something........ its like black and it just was dangleing with wires wrapped on it...... WHY WOULD IT CAUSE A REEL TILT 5 EVERY TIME IT TOUCHED THE BACK OF THE TOPBOX????????? i straped it away from the back panel and now machine working fine again......

Post a picture Staz, sounds like an external power supply for something. Maybe it doesn't even need to be there and it hanging from the wires is pulling on something else

heres a pic the black box with wires wrapped around it......

That's suppose to be there, it's a choke. Should be plastic coated though and touching the metal case of the game shouldn't hurt anything. You've still got a bad connection:(

That black part is a ferrite core.
The wires being wrapped in and around it creates a noise filter,
There is also one on the cabinet I/O to back lit reel light controller harness (it is near the cabinet I/O)

I am thinking you have a loose connection, broken wire, exposed wire (damaged insulation) or the like going on you moving it around fixed the issue.
I would investigate why it fails in the original position but works where it is now.

im thinking it has a little weight to it so by me strapping it so it just didnt hang could of been pulling on a wire and the wire wasnt making a connection..... its just so damm hard to get back there i wish igt made doors in back of top boxxes......lol

LOL! Black and Decker makes a back door opener for those :72-

come to find out it still started to give me a reel tilt 5 error once again :37- :37- :37- i went feeling behind there again while the machine was on and pulled out all the wires that were crimped up under the motor while and the wheel again began to move normal..... after that i did a start up test 10 times and all times the wheel turned normal....... im almost betting it has to be something in the wireing coming out of the reel motor...... but what though......and why would it go bad after a year.......

Sounds like you're gonna need to remove screws/nuts and pull that wheel out for inspection

  just because you only had it a year doesent make it only a year old  YOU DID NOT BUY IT BRAND NEW. Many machines have had 24hr a day running time on them for years . Its like doggie years

id like to thank everyone on here and a special thanks to bunker for making me a new harness...... :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- :244- it was the harness that was cuasing that reel 5 tilt..... my machine now with the new harness is running minty!!!!!

You got it already? Wow! That's fast! I just mailed it Tuesday morning!?
I'm glad it's working...I wasn't sure if the harnes was going to be of enough length.
In any event, I'm glad it's working!  :89-

Just for kicks, leave the machine on for a few hours and let things warm up.
If the tilt errors come back the I think your problem lies elsewhere.
Once a machine fully warms up - any faults that lay with the reel driver IC board components will show up.
That's when we have to keep our fingers crossed
and hope the problem was only just the old harness and nothing more.

im letting it run all day and playing it nonn stop so far so good.......

Let us know when you get a "Spin" of the bonus Wheel.
That's when I think it may be possible the tilt error might possibly resurface.
Keep us updated today...
For now, keep your fingers crossed and hope you get some winners!  :89-

no tilts all day looking good....... :89- :89-

 

Well then if it was me it would never tilt because I never see a SPIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was it I put tape on the belly door did the bat mod and now it works just fine .... Thanks
Dan