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Just picked up a Vision Slingo machine,got it home plugged it in ...monitor black,BV cycles havent tried to see if it accepts cash,Display says Ram Error,no initial reel spin...I reseated IO and CPU boards (while machine was off of course)  Cant get into test functions due to no monitor I have checked for loose connections  ...searching for info on where to go next ...Many thanks in advance
Eric

If the machine has been cleared or the ram chips were removed/changed then it will turn on to a ram error. Open the door, get the alarm, turn the jackpot reset key reapetedly until the VFD display tells you to push the reset button on the MPU for 2-3 seconds. Machine should start, but come up with a call attendant error and you'll have to do all this a second time, but then the machine should start fine. I don't beleive the lcd will start till you clear these errors. At the very least I would expect you to need a key 31 to adjust some settings to actually get the game to play. It will depend on whether it was fully cleared or the ram chips were just removed/changed. Let us know where this gets you

There is a jumper that will show the boot progress on the screen. Don't remember the jumper number --- but if you are looking at the back of the monitor the jumper is on the left edge of the board.This is like the Bally jumpers which are removable.  This will give you a clue if the monitor is lighting up and if it's booting and how far into the boot process it gets.  The bottom box shouldget to a point where it says waiting for video. After a period of time it will complete the cycle like a regular S2000 even if the monitor doesn't come up. Hope this helps.

I will have to get the clear chip from my boss he has a spare CPU board ...about a missing cable at the back of the monitor see pics ,any thoughts...also there is a missing card in the side of the monitor,if i am correct you only need a card in the top slot?
i will try to clear ram and let you know what happens ..
Thanks alot
eric

Good pictures...
Your connections look ok off the back of the LCD.
There's nothing missing that you need to get that LCD going.
But where are they running to? LOL
Let's make sure they are hooked up correctly at the other end.

You may NOT need a Clear chip.
What cowboy was trying to tell you was a procedure involving turning the reset key, opening closing the door, etc.etc.. to clear the errors from the blue VFD display.
The IGT S2000 gets "stacked" errors sometimes and you need to open, close the door to get rid of each error.
Sometimes the errors remain on the display until you complete one full game - or in your case, get the LCD computer in the topbox to go through it's boot up mode.

A Clear chip routine is the LAST resort.
Basically it's just for changing the denomination of the machine.
Whether you want to make it a penny machine or a quarter machine, etc.etc.

I don't think that's what you need to do right now.
Focus on getting the Vision computer up and running...re-read carefully cowboy's post.

Also, if you get a chance, report to us what SB, SG, VS, and BGM card you have
installed in that machine.
They must ALL match in order to boot up the LCD.

The more that you can tell/show us - the better we can help you.

ADD>>> The jumper idyle was talking about is inside the LCD on the circuit board.
I think you need to remove the back panel of the LCD to get at it.
However, there are some holes at the bottom of the panel where you might be able to get at it without taking off the panel.
I will look at mine and see if that's possible.
 

Sorry I misunderstood I will try this and let you know
Thanks

The jumper I believe is JP3 and the only way to get at it is to remove the back cover panel.
It's not something you want to do when your LCD is all hooked up right now.
Let's forget that for now and concentrate on getting rid of your blue VFD screen errors.
We may not need to move the jumper if we can get past the VFD errors.

It's getting pretty late out here on the East coast so I'm hoping that someone that
has a Vision hooked up can jump in on this topic and give us a hand.
I don't have my Vision hooked up right now and I'm getting kinda sleepy.
I'll heck in tomorrow and see how this progresses.

OK....I hit reset key pushed reset button went as far as MS VERIFY:App Start on display
Eric

Do you ever get anything on the top box LCD? I believe that display gets power from the distribution board at the back of the top box and has a netplex connection going to the motherboard along with audio connections going the same place.

I will check wires to MPU..... At this point still no monitor and display still stuck on MS Verify App start

Vision models do get power from Dist. board (center back wall)
Vision model will take about 7 min. to fully boot, be patient
If still no screen after 7 min. but machine works......there is a small board inside vision box on one side with 2 little transformers. this board goes bad causing no screen, BUT machine will play.
Lindsay

OK ......After about 15 -20 min no boot on LCD..... No reel spin...No display on WP and Credit windows....display went from MS Verify App Start to MS Verify Comm Errror

check all plugs on backplane. check mpu for bent pin and be sure it's in all the way after you check pins. sometimes a pin will even get pushed back in the socket so look for that to. you might want to make sure all the ic's on the mpu anr in properly and in all the. no bent pins and the like.
Is this a new machine or was it working in the past?
Lindsay

 My vision   if in a cold room  less than 55 F will not boot up takes forever and i have to turn it on and off multiple times  to get past the MS Verify App Start   ( note*** there is a small message   on the top  screen on the left bottom of screen ) cant remember but will look  . this is on a 5 reel cleopatra  machine

That was my next question ....I picked it up last night so i just stuck it in the garage and its 20 degrees out side the garage is warm but not that warm,i will move it in today and see what it does later....i got it from a guy that didnt know much about it and it was probably working before he got it ..

Have fun with that "move it inside" part. They are heavy buggers

UPDATE..machine is warmed up ... my back is warming up.... finally ..boots up goes through restart closure M etc but comes up with Main battery low and there is a problem w/machine on LCD,and I can turn reset key and veiw menues on screen :..........making progress     :3- :3-

If the main battery is low it will have to be replaced before it'll boot. Do you have a board you can swap for the MPU long enough to see if that's the only problem?

I will have to get a spare from my boss tomorrow, i will try it then...thanks everyone for getting me this far... :131- :131-

Triplediamond, glad you're seeing some light ahead.  Snap some photos or video of that beauty when you get it going.  We like multimedia around here!

Congrats on your toy!

Jason

lolollolol I didn't know he was trying to turn on a Vision in a freezing  :215- :218- :216-  garage!?!?!?!!! :
No WONDER it won't boot up!!!  :72-

Let that cold puppy warm up a bit and with a new battery -
you oughta be back in business!!

I told you so COLD machines are FICKEL

Update .....Swamped out MPU Board ..no battery low error ....starts to boot up but stays at MS Verify App Start and LCD is orange and says Error Some Components are missing.....My other problem is the base game and reel chips in the origional board have no tags on them so i cannot be sure they are the right ones

Where are you seeing the two messages? On the blue VFD display or on the LCD up in the topbox?
"Some Components Are Missing" message may very well be a missing ATA card or BGM card.
I like to start my Vision with both slots in the LCD occupied with the correct CF cards
until the machine is running good.
The "orange" screen might mean the LCD's computer isn't properly
or fully loaded with the OS system?
Goes back to the message ...>>> "Some Components Are Missing"

The VFD says MS Verify App Start ,the LCD says Some Components are missing, There is a card in top slot but no card in side slot ..again along with the game chips I am not sure the top card in the LCD is the correct one .

If you take off the back panel and remove the jumper, the LCD will display everything as it's loading.
I'm afraid that won't help you though until you can get all the software correct to run your game.
You might want to get in touch with a vendor and see if they have the software for ya.

This Slingo...I have to see what software you need and post it up here.
That might help you get more help... :89-

That would be great if you could post the info on this game, i will get all new chips and video card and then see if it will boot.

If you can, turn off the power to your machine and remove the top CF flash card and take a good picture of it.
Please try to use a good camera...not some crappy cellphone pic.
I would like to see what, if anything, is written on it and possibly, what brand of CF flash card is in there.
Try to do the same with your MPU board and show us what chips are presently installed in the sockets.
Oh! I need a picture of your award glass as well...
there are a few different versions of the Slingo game.
Remember, the more you can tell/show us - the better we can help you!
Thanks!

Attached below is an example of what I'm looking at...that's why I need to see your award glass at the very least...
Telling me you have a Slingo is like me telling you I have a Chevy -
could be a Corvette or a Volt... :96-

Click on attachment to enlarge if needed...>>>

Roger that,I will take pics and post after work
Thanks for the help
Eric

Here are the pics,if you need more clear pics of the board i can do so......sorry the card is upside down

More pics

Ah! Looks like you have the 10XPay Slingo 3CM game kit in there!  :133-
I can't make out the numbers on that upside down photo of the CF flash card.
Can you tell us what it says?
My eyes aren't what they used to be...

I am sorry about the pic i didnt notice it was upside down until it posted
ATA 1.00.24
BGM 00000
       00009
       000010

Awesome...!!

okay, before you reinstall the MPU back into the machine.
If you can, try to get some black electrical vinyl tape, cut them about as wide as the top of an eprom chip
and cover up those UV glass windows.
If natural light gets in there for any amount of time, the data contained within will get corrupted
and begin to actually erase itself!
Below is what chips need to be covered up ( I photo-shopped some black lines onto your photograph.)

Also I included a photograph of what's inside under that small glass.
It looks like solar panels that absorb sunlight....those are exactly what that is!
They create electricity within the chip body and start wiping out everything.
The tiny wires from the solar panels go to all the memory blocks inside.

Natural sunlight will erase all the information inside those chips in time!
UV light will corrupt the chip in seconds and will be erased within minutes.

Click on any photo to enlarge if needed...you really want to see the eprom glass photo bigger...lol...>>>

So is it possible that these chips may already be bad.....i havent had them exposed for any amount of time...but i would be safe just to get replacements,then i would know what  #'s they actually are

I wish you had a chip reader/programmer and we would know for sure if they are any good.
The reader would give us the 4 digit hex number called the checksum -
this number verifies that the chip is okay.

My guess is that they are okay? I hope so.
Cover them up anyways so there can't be any further damage.
It's all you can do at the moment.

I'm looking at some lists right now to see if I can find out what the BGM00009 and BGM000010 would be for.
As far as the ATA CF flash card, it shows that you have
the 1.00.24 OS version for the LCD computer in the topbox, so I think you're okay there.
We still need to figure what is "missing" - according to the error message.

I wonder if we have to reload the LCD computer with the appropriate RFA card?
I know you're not doing a game change but it seems to me that the LCD computer lost it's memory so to speak maybe due to an onboard battery losing it's juice.
Attached below is the instructions I've saved for setting up a Vision from scratch...>>>


4.6 Game Program Change
Use the following procedure to replace game programs in Vision Series
machines equipped with an LCD.
Newer flash memory cards may require more memory in the LCD.
Ensure that the LCD has sufficient memory before changing programs.
1. Turn the machine power off.
2. Remove the processor board from the machine, and remove the
game, stepper base and version PROMs from the processor board
(refer to Section 4.1.1).
3. Remove the Bonus Game Module (BGM) from the LCD (refer to
Section 4.5).
4. Install the new game, stepper base and version PROMs on the
processor board and return the board to the machine (refer to
Section 4.1.1).
5. Install the new sound SIMM board if the machine has stereo sound
(refer to Section 4.2).
6. Install the new BGM in the top slot of the LCD and install the RFA
card in the slot on the left side of the LCD (Refer to Section 4.5).
7. Turn the machine power on. The LCD indicates the status of the
game replacement.
8. When the LCD displays the “Enter new time” prompt, turn the
machine power off.
9. Remove the RFA card and turn the machine power on. When the
VFD indicates that the machine is experiencing a RAM error, turn
the Attendant key.
10. When prompted by the message on the VFD, press the operator
switch on the processor board, hold for two to three seconds, then
release. The game program change is complete when the LCD and
VFD display game play messages.


I'm thinking that if you had the correct RFA card, it may restore your LCD screen function.
It is only needed for the initial start up then it's removed - you don't leave it in the side slot.

So Its time to post in the classified section for new chips and both cards for the LCD ?????
anybody comes to mind for vision parts .....
Again i appreciate all the help youve given me

 :194- :194- :194- :194- :194- :194- :194-

Thanks for fixing the pic knagl!  :3-
Hey, I was wrong about the ATA card...it's the RFA card that contains the OS info and that gets installed the first time only then swapped out with the ATA card after uploading to the LCD's memory.

Triplediamond...
Your boss's attract card in the side slot won't work.
All it contains is attraction songs and stuff -
not the OS system... :8-

Very strange...This BGM list shows entirely different games for
the BGM00009 and BGM00010 that you have on that CF flash ( PCMCIA) card?
I'm NOT convinced that this list is accurate at the moment... I will keep searching to verify.
However, if it is correct, that would explain the "Missing Components" error being displayed on your screen.

I'm getting >>>

IGT BGM00009 DOOR PRIZE B REL 3 * PCMCIA *
IGT BGM00010 MONEY FACTORY REL 3 * PCMCIA *

I personally have the Bonus Spin RW&B BGM00011 PCMCIA card and it matches this list, so...
you need to get that card read - to see if indeed that is what you have on it.
It may not be matching your chips and won't finish the LCD computer boot up because of it.

This particular list also shows that the Slingo 10XPay PCMCIA CF card should be BGM00155 -
though it doesn't say whether or not if it's for a 2 or 3 coin game.

Well,
I got the 10xPay Slingo stuff in the mailbox today Triple Diamond!
I opened up the history folder and saw that someone modified the card in 2007.
That's why it doesn't work...the Flash card won't match the checksum of the original.
BTW the originals are 13Mb in size while yours was 12.9Mb (It's an estimate) -
it was missing the 13kb (.DS_STORE) file to make it work.
Did it EVER work while you've had it?
I'm wondering how the two files were removed from the program?

Anyways, I rearranged the old PCMCIA CF flash card folders similar to the known good copy.
This card is fixed and ready to go out back to you first thing Monday morning!

I'm checking your MPU chips as we speak...good job with the electrical tape!  :96-
At least the UV windows are covered up!


Below is a snapshot from my computer showing your missing Vision file on the flash card.
Click on photo to enlarge...>>>

I just checked your 40-pin SB000229 chip.
The game is on an ST M27C4002 chip with 120ns speeds.
Data occupies it up to address line:18100...nice!
Your checksum of: 9BB8 - matches the known good SB chip!

I just checked your AM27C010 32-pin U-44 chip.
It's a Version chip with VS009GX0 written on it.
It's for a single denomination game
and it's checksum is: 0649 - it is good.

I am checking your pair of SG's GME 1 & 2 right now...
Both of them are on ST M27C4001 devices.
Your SG000046's GME 1&2 (U-19 & U-46) made in 1999 are okay but -
you should change those to SG000092's, made in the year 2001.

Thats good news ../... :3- :3- Thanks for checking everything out for me  :131- :131-
I never have got the game to do anything before .....so I dont know the story behind the missing file....The guy i got it from bought from another guy and it didnt work then..so my quess is that its been sitting in a garage for awhile.....when i get the chips and the card along with the fresh batteries in the board ...hopefully she will boot and run....will update ...thanks for your help
Eric

Correct me if I am wrong here, but I thought that SG chips were always 8 meg chips, like M27C801's??? I guess that it could be possible that earlier ones were on the 4 meg 8 bit eproms though??? Just curious as I may learn something new here, or point out an oversite??? :103-

Actually that makes me wonder as I just encountered a 4 meg CFG simm for an iGame game, and I thought that they were always 8 meg, so anything is possible of course.... :200-

CH :95-

I don't know Capt, these ones work fine.
His SG chips ARE on M27C4001 chips and I threw them into my Vision machine.
I posted up a short video clip...
The funny thing is I booted up the 10xPay Slingo game forthe first time on my Vision I've JUST put back together
after it being in my closet for over a year!
I played like about 3 or 4 pulls at MAX bet and hit the Bonus round.... :97-
who says installing new chips don't pay?  :72->>>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMG9-6hAEdI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMG9-6hAEdI)

Here's the rest of the video clip of the 10xPay Slingo game.
I repaired the PCMCIA CF flash card for Triple Diamond as it was missing a file that causes the LCD computer to freeze.

I JUST put together my old Ms.Little Green Men Vision game today to do this test.
I don't even have any fluorescent lights working or a reel glass with proper display installed yet!  :72-
My personal S2000 is fast becoming a Test machine for NLG members again!!  :37-  :96-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Su2sEczzUo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Su2sEczzUo)

Thanks for confirming Bunker! :259- I learned something new! Some SG's are 4 meg! :71-

CH :95-

There just wasn't a whole lot of stuff on them really.
when looking at the data with my programmer, it doesn't even fully occupy the entire chip on the address lines.
Most of the actual stuff for the game resides on the CF Flash cards in the LCD computer.

I walked up to my machine and it was in an attract mode...so I took a shot of it...>>>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQl7-7shOn4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQl7-7shOn4)

Below the video is a snapshot of all the chips and stuff installed...
Looks like it searched for the progressive spectrum display.
Sounds like an option one could add to this game!...>>>

Bunker ...You the man.... :3- :3- :3-
Thanks for helping out a Vision newbie ....
Will report when i get chips in ...see some """" LIVE ACTION """"
Eric

It's not a bad game really... :71-
I hit the Bonus round about 4 times in an hour!  :72-
I got extran spins and when that bloody devil comes out - he takes 'em away! arghhh!! :37-
I have no idea what the awards are without the glass but it fully works! lol

Hi all,
Update on the vision....replaced battery on board,installed all chips and card...replaced reel #3 was bad ...boot up goes through regular steps on display ...stops at MS VERIFY APP START and orange screen on LCD says Error some components are not found....pretty much stopped at the same place before chip and card replacements .....
I have tried clear chip ....no response .....dont know where to go from here  :8- :8- :8- :8-
Eric

That sucks...It worked fine on mine!!! Arghhh!
Stop using that Clear chip.
It's only for changing the denominations! Please!

I plugged in an audio amp card live ( I had a spare ready just in case I'd blow it up)
I wanted to see if anything would happen to the amp board if I plugged juice into it while the power was on.
Nothing blew up but I learned something....( this is how I learn things   :214- - I try to break it first!  :72-)
The LCD went crashing into the RED SCREEN OF DEATH!
Then up came the MSverify and after a few seconds, the LCD and VFD machine display BOTH said "Please Wait"...lol
A few more seconds later, the game was ready to play!

I learned that I can re-boot the LCD computer just by pulling out and re-plugging the red and black power Molex for the audio amp board.

How does this help you?  :103-
Well, it doesn't... :182-
But I have an idea!  :299-

Let me think for a minute... :79- :129- :128-

Okay! :149-  ::)

I think your LCD computer has a "stuck" logic signal.
The Clear chip should have wiped it away but it came back during the "Boot Up" sequences.
Soooo...( I'm thinkin' ! )  I remember when this happened to me.
I have the "Auto-Play" toggle switch on my machine.
It's not much different than your machine but it is.
When my toggle was in the "On" position, I could not get past the MsVerify line address in the Boot Up sequence for the life of me.
I flipped down that switch accidentally ( or in frustration - I plead the 5th ) and the LCD magically booted Up through it's last few sequences and the LCD video came right on into GAME PLAY MODE!!!!

You don't have a toggle Free play switch like mine.
I don't know what's wrong with your machine.
I strongly suspect that a wire is crossed somewhere and it's creating a "stuck" logic signal which prevents the LCD from completing it's "Boot"

The chips are fine - your machine is shorted somewhere or a deck button switch/optics wiring/cash can/belly door wire is grounded causing a stuck signal to reside in the communications of the machine.
You gotta comb through that machine and find out what's causing it.

Believe it or not ( By Ripley's) sometimes the simple act of undoing a tied-together cash can loop
will get the signals "unstuck" and your machine will function again.
I'd rather have a door open error than the LCD not working -
you can always clear a simple open cash can error by tying back the wires together later!


I'm making you a short video clip to show you what I mean...here it is...>>>

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKW_BrAZghU

Bunker,
Here is some food for thought :103- :103-  I have been watchin the machine as it is stuck on MS Verify about every 4-5 min the reel do the start up spin says no disp in the credit and WP windows then gives error of BV no comm or something to that effect ,flashes that a couple times and then goes back to red screen and MS Verify
Maybe thats one of the problems

BINGO!
You're on track to finding out the problem!
It's right there in front of ya!
All you gotta do is find it!
I like the way guys like JIM do diagnosing.
He like to pull out plugs, power up the machine and see how it goes.
If everything's okay, he shuts it down and plugs something in that he took out earlier.
Turns the power back on...at some point- he narrows it down to the source of the problem.

Check the ribbon cable /plug for your VFD display ( the blue one) and if yours is with those colorful wide flat ribbon cable down to the white box on the door...make sure the red/black wire with the black Molex connector is plugged into the board with the white box and other green wires on that too!

That white box houses the Netplex communications stuff for the VFD display and needs to work.


Of course, check the wires around the bill acceptor too because
you're getting messages that relate to that too.

Bunker, I'm not a Vision guy, but I am a PC geek.  Watching the videos, I noticed that there is a BIOS splash screen displaying "Press F2" to enter setup.  Is it possible to connect a PS/2 keyboard up anywhere on these machines and actually enter the system BIOS to navigate the settings?  The reason that I ask is that I have seen a few laptops and servers in my day that hang on that screen for whatever reason, and sometimes entering the BIOS via Fx key and restoring the defaults can clear up the boot problem.  

Just curious.

Jason

Yes...I have hooked up a keyboard to a Vision computer with various degrees of success a couple of years ago.
It's all the the massive threads somewhere in the Vision section of NLG.

Found it...Here's the beginning of it...I started another thread on it when I figured out how the pinouts were...>>>

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10167.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10167.0)

Tilt wanted to try it so we both worked on it and I got it going again in this thread...>>>

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=7309.75 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=7309.75)


There's another flash card that a Vision computer can take which up loads the OS to it. (the RFA card)
But I'm not quite certain that's the problem though it IS possible his Boot Up is corrupted to the point where it won't complete it.

Checked the ribbon and other wires to VFD seems ok.....Checked wires to BV, they seem ok also ...this might be a stupid question but I took out the BV head and transport
the head is a WBA-10-ss and the transport is a WBA 11...would the #'s be the same ??? also DIP settings are all off ??? I will probably have to read some posts on this
I will check all wiring as best that i can tomorrow (I am no electrician by any means) Its late Im tired and frustrated...need some sleep and a clear head....Tomorrow is another day...Thanks for helping me troubleshoot
Eric

If you are getting a comm error then check the 3 wire harness with a 3 pin connector for continuity with an ohm meter. This is the communications harness for the LCD.   It should have 3 light gray wires.  Maybe a bad connection.  Make sure it is fully inserted on both ends.

Traced grey wires from LCD to power supply connections are good need to check continuity ....still getting BV Comm Failure ..can I totally disable BV and bypass it ? if so how?
Maybe that would clear at least that issue...i dont know

I am still getting BV Comm Failure after the boot up reel spin could someone tell me how to disable the BV,dont really want to try this myself in fear that I might fry something else ........... :60- :60- :60- Also what about the Jumper in back of the LCD that some people were talking about not sure on that one as well.
Thanks
Eric

In the key chip menu:

3.3 Bill Acceptor
3.3.1 Enable/Disable Determines whether the bill/voucher acceptor is enabled or disabled.

Maybe he's got a motherboard problem that's causing a communication error or interrupting the start sequence on the LCD board. I've had numerous things cause comm errors including bad IO cards, motherboards, mpu boards, shorted button deck switches, etc. Even had a shorted top candle do it once. Just a thought...

Any thoughts are great at this point ....I was trying to disable the BV as per idesign but with the LCD not booting up i cant even get into the menu...i dont know much about this machine nor do i have another s2000 to compare the wiring to. :277- :277- :277-

Okay..you got a BV Comm Failure right after the maiden spins right?
Sometimes codes "pile up" or get "stacked" - one way to get rid of them is to just open
and close the door optics.
Try getting back to the BV COMM Failure again but this time open
and close the door a couple of times and give us more details.
I want to make sure if it's these codes preventing the LCD to complete it's start up sequence.

ok pretty much same as above....except now after after reels do maiden spin VFD says Door open B - Closure M - Restart - Call Attendent - Video Display Comm Failure --no error on the BV   :103-     I tried opening an closing door at this point  no response ,did not change display when door was open either....3-4 min go by and VFD goes back to MS verify App start and Red LCD....I dont know why it swithed errors I have not swithed or changed anything on the machine

Good...! :3-
That means the problem is NOT with your bill acceptor!  :267-

Now, turn off the machine for a few minutes and try powering it up again...
sit and watch with a pen and paper and jot down what happens.
Videos are much easier but few notes will do too!  :89-
do the opening and closing of door after it stops or freezes up again.
Patience is the key to troubleshooting.

I want t o see if your error codes change...
good notes are critical

Ok here goes (I will try to post video... that might take me a while because i have not done one before)
Start up - Door Closed - No Reel spin - MS Verify App Start - RED LCD - BV Cycles - No lights on Buttons - After 1 min VFD waiting for video display - after 4 min - VFD & LCD go black - Reel spin - Candle Flashing - BV cycle - VFD  Door Open B - Closure M - Restart - Call Attendent - Video display Comm Failure LCD is red still...after 4 min - VFD & LCD Black -BV Cycles - VFD mS Verify App Start and red screen on LCD....pretty much does the same thing ever 4 min......I found out the BV Comm Failure error comes up with Door Open MB only when the Door is open .....I really hope this helps

Only time I ever saw the red screen is with the wrong RFA. Have we verified the RFA is correct for that game?

Having been through this before:
IIRC,
Door open MB means the main and cash box doors are open,
Closure M means the main door was open but is now closed,
Door Open B means only the cash box door is open,
Door Open M means the main door is open.

So it looks like you have an issue with the LCD that would cause me to check the RFA, and an issue with the cash box door being see open at all times.

The cash box door can be bypassed by connecting the wires to the switch together, or if it's a standard microswitch on the door, you can either connect the 2 wires to Common and Normally Closed or adjust the switch until it reads 0 ohms with he cash box door closed, and infinite resistance if the door is open between Common and Normally Open. For home use, connecting the 2 wires together is the easiest.

I am going to say this one more time
When you bypass the switch on the cash box door the WBA takes way longer to be ready to accept currency once the cash can has been re-installed.
I have tested this in the past and recently even with 1270 enhanced MPU and 598 games I have to wait longer before my BV is ready to accept anything if the switch for the door is kept closed.
IF I allow it to function as IGT designed it it takes about 30 seconds.

The MPU and BV expect the signals in this order, I left out main door or belly door open and close because do not affect my timings
Belly shows as main door on a S2000 if switch is installed - bypassing the belly switch is ok.

Cash can door open - machine tilts (candle flash) disables play and BV
Cash box removed -  BV detects removal and sends to machine.
cash box installed - BV detects re-install and cycles to be ready and notifies machine its ready
cash box door closed - machine goes back into play mode and depending candle settings turns off the candle


I timed it from the moment cash can was reinstalled (switch bypassed) or Cash can door closed 

Bunker has helped me fix my PCMCIA card with the right files for the game ...see Reply 44 & 45 of this thread ....so like he was saying it has to be a short or wires crossed somewhere,so that is todays journey to trace wires ..........
It sounds like bypassing the switch on the cash can box is a bad idea..........my thought was just to remove the bv and transport to possibly get rid of the error,but after reading posts you would still have to disable it in the menu,of which i cannot access....I dont even know if the BV is working properly in the first place

.DS_Store is a system/hidden file written to every folder on a storage device when you connect it to a Mac, it stores the attributes of how the folder is displayed when it's opened in Finder (Finder is the Mac equivalent of Windows Explorer, and Windows Explorer uses the same type of file, called desktop.ini). My hunch is, when the card was modified, it was done with a Mac. The presence (or lack thereof) shouldn't affect the game.

Went back and took a look, the only thing he verified was what you were able to send him, your PCMCIA card with the LCD game on it (BGM and ATA files) and your eproms. The RFA is a separate PCMCIA card that is used in the left PCMCIA slot, not the top. When the RFA card is inserted, the LCD boots from it and the OS in the LCD is upgraded to the version on the RFA card. The RFA card is not left in the machine, it must be removed after the OS upgrade is complete.

If you read his posts, he initially thought the ATA was the OS, then he realized that was incorrect and that the OS level is determined by the RFA, so he has not been able to verify your OS as being the correct version.

So, my question remains:

What RFA is your LCD running, and what is the correct version for the game? I've gone down many rabbit holes with several red screen problems on my Vision LCD in the past, every time it was the incorrect RFA version... not sure how many weeks I've wasted on these problems before, but let me tell you, it was a lot.  :279- :200-

As far as bypassing the switch on the cash can door, I've stated the 3 ways to deal with this issue: the correct way and 2 workarounds. Feel free to use whichever method you like.  :89-  Personally, I'm kind of picky about how things work, I always try to avoid the workarounds and fix every single issue I find, no matter how small.  :5- :5-  :72- :72- :72-

I've been suspecting a possible incorrect RFA OS is uploaded to Triple Diamonds LCD computer
but there's not a thing I can do about it.

On top of that - because of my poor lists - I have no clue what would be the correct RFA for his game.
For those of you that want to know and to remind myself. -
the RFA gets installed the 1st time you set up a Vision computer...once the OS is installed,
the PCMCIA card should be removed.
It works the same way you would initially set up a home desktop computer.
Install the bios, the OS, then your optional programs and run all the updates.

We really need to see his LCD in video action to see if we can spot anything
in the boot up phase on the LCD screen.
There should be SOME info displayed before the RED SCREEN OF DEATH kills it.

I would like to add that the software worked fine on mine before I mailed them out to him.
I will go take a snapshot of my Vision Version Log screen right now to see what RFA is installed in mine.

There will be a message displayed on the RSOD, that's what we need.

I've already stated the procedure for updating the RFA...  :5- :5- :5-

Sorry brichter...I played 36 holes today...I'm dead! lol



okay...this is what I have...an RFA10025 installed.
It works with many different Vision games, SB's, SG's, BGM's, and ATA's.

Click on photo to enlarge...>>>

That's ok, I just watched the 9ers lose a close one... :33-  :8-

I jut got some more info on Triple Diamond's Vision machine via PM...
Apparently it's NEVER worked and the previous owner couldn't get it to work either!
It's highy likely the RFA installed is wrong as well as the wrong set of SB /SG chips installed.
What SB and SG are installed Triple Diamond?
We need that info too...should be written on labels on your chips.


On the LCD computer board left of the memory stick there is a jumper labeled JP1.
You have to take the cover off of the back of the LCD computer to get at it.
Make sure the pins are jumped...there's probably nothing on the pins right now
so any computer board 2-pin shunt jumper will work.
Power up the machine and the LCD should display what it's doing when the machine is "Booting Up".

We need to see what RFA is installed...if any.

He may also simply have a bad memory stick. Ran into that with my Bucks Ahoy

I will check the chips this evening and let you know (I am at work right now) If my memory serves me right I was looking(just looking !!) at the back of the LCD Sunday and the JP1 (2 little pins side by side ) had a black block on them..is that correct ??
Please keep in mind I know nothing about this stuff....anyways if not I will check out this evening as well
Thanks guys for helping me out
Eric

Well...that means they could be jumped already.
So...back to square one.
It's probably a corrupted bios and/or boot up sector on the LCD computer.
You need an RFA10025 OS CF flash PCMCIA card at least.

It will re-flash the computer with the OS and boot up lines.
I mentioned it about 30 Replies ago but was hoping that wasn't it.
You're starting from scratch now.

I will send you mine Triple Diamond but I need it back!
I don't have any spare CF cards!

PM me your mailing address and I will put it in the mail in the morning.

Can you try calling any vendors and see if they have any?

Is it actually on both pins, or just being stored there by being pushed on to only one of those pins?

Black block is for sure going over both pins,....Bunker was asking for Chip #'s SB000229  SG000046 GME 1 & 2  VSO09GX0

So you can actually see the LCD boot from BIOS to starting Windows, correct?

Negative...all that comes up on screen when you start up is Initializing please wait in lower left corner and then..the dreded RED SCREEN OF DEATH ...as Bunker would say ....I will take some pics of the back of the LCD screen tonight and post .

Okay Eric,
I have an RFA10025 PCMCIA CF flash card in the mail on it's way out to you.
I hope re-flashing the computer with the RFA card will help it BOOT?

You the man Bunker.....once again  :3- :3-  :244- :244-
I hope it reboots to ...my head hurts from banging it against the wall... :7- :7-
Thanks again everyone for helping me,I will try her again when I get the card

Well, I'm afraid you might have to bang your head on the wall one more time...  :7- :182-

I went to the post office, found a USPS bubble wrap mailer and stuck the PCMCIA card in it & sealed it.
I filled out our addresses onto it and went up to the desk...$8.54?!?!?!? craps!  
Mail's not cheap anymore - we must be paying for their donuts behind the counter!!!!  :37-

I'll PM the Delivery Confirmation Number to you. :172-
The mail lady said it will be at your house Friday by 6:30... :288-


When you get it, when you're ready to install it - follow brichter's instructions on how to use it.
It's simple really...  :89-  >>>

Insert my card into the side slot, keeps your game card installed at all times in the top slot .
Turn on the power, wait for the time/date message....wait a few more seconds then turn off the power
and remove my card from the side slot.
Always keep your game card in the top slot.
Once you remove my card, turn on the power and you should
get past the MSVerify part of the Boot Up sequence.

Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope it's not a bad memory stick or computer.

I'm wondering if those SB0000229 and pair of SG000046 GME1&2 chips are the right ones?  :103-
I have to do some research on those...  :209-

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I just checked his MPU chips on my lists...they are definitely Slingo chips!
So that's good! :89-

Hey no a problem with the shipping cost...I will get some money to ya...Thanks for the quick responce also....I will let you guys know what happens when i start her up  :204-

Following up with some pics - back of LCD..sorry phone pics
Eric

That's not a bad camera phone photo at all!  :60-
How many mega pixels is that puppy?  :72-

Anyways, I've highlighted that 2-pin jumper below in this photoshopped pic here.
I will jump mine tonight ad post a short video clip of the Boot Up mode
and what I see when I power up my machine.

Click on photo below to enlarge if needed...>>>

Whoo! I just checked Delivery Confirmation... :209-
The flash card got to your post office this morning Triple Diamond!  :267-

Cool......Hey thanks for the update...thats alot of mileage in a short period of time.... :71-  Hey check it out I finally hit 100 posts....I'm moving up in the NLG world..............

Congratulations on cracking the difficult 100...!!!  :3-
I asked so many questions in my 1st 100 posts... :89-  all that did was make me ask even more....!!!  :182-

Guys back then must of been shaking their heads
saying to themselves..."Who the hell is this guy?!?"  :72-

Wow, now there is an opening.........but I'll leave one to Buizz :5-

haha! I used to hang around at that other slot website but those techs were too snobby & never answered any of my questions - so I came here... :97-
People here were a lot nicer!  :89-  :3-

Vision Update ...Video is after installation of RFA Card ........... :37- :37- :37- :37- :37-



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFCF7fudcOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFCF7fudcOU)

Dang TD!!  I am so glued to this thread, and I'm not even a Vision guy!  I was hoping it was good news for you.  The good thing is that we don't accept defeat as an option out here.  Stay tuned...replies will be coming I'm sure.

Jason

Double Dang!
I was so sure it was going to work!  :37-

The good thing is this...we are now certain that your LCD computer works
and is showing that you're missing something like the correct SB, or SG chip.
Do you have the PCMCIA Slingo game software in the top slot?
I think it's in there but the video is very dark.

That error only came up on mine when I was first installing my game for the first time
and I had something wrong with my SB chip or something.
I have to find that thread because that will tell us what had happened.
Brichter had given me a crash course on DOS to get it going...
I lost a lot of sleep and hair doing that... :96- :72-

I'd like to add that cowboy posted an important post about 12 Replies ago.
He suggested you pull out the memory stick and give the contacts a good rubbing with a pencil eraser.
Cleaning those contacts will ensure that we're not having problems with the memory RAM of the computer.
It can't hurt and it may help ya!

I've also got in touch with a VIP member that got me a lot of help when I got into the Vision scene a few years ago.
He is invaluable to me and people that own this platform
and knows much more about Visions than I.  :89-

Both the cards were in their slots when i started her up.....sorry about the video,that was my first so I will get better as I go......I will clean the contacts in the morning....I cant thank everyone enough for helping me out,you all are a really great group of people   :3- :3-  I know eventually we will get the machine running...I look at it this way ,with every error that comes up I am learning more and more on how to fix it..  I will mess around with the machine in the morning as I am moving forward with drinking my dinner tonight   :253-

MAke sure those two pins on the left of the two memory sticks has a jumper.
It will help us when you boot up the computer and show how much RAM is installed.
I pulled out on memory stick on mine and got this error and the RSOD!
when I re-inserted the memory stick - the game came back to normal.

I tried  several things this morning to try an re-enact your error on the red screen.
I've pulled plugs and installed wrong BGM game cards on purpose.
Each time I got the proper error on the red screen for whatever I did wrong - on purpose!
I could not get your particular error to come up.
I am going to remove a file from my BGM game folder to see if that will cause a "Missing Component" error.
Below is a snapshot of the error I received when I threw in a Double Diamond Run BGM game card
using Ms.Little Green Men MPU chips.
Of course, you can see in the picture below, the computer is telling me I have the wrong BGM installed.
In the video clip, I pulled out one of the memory sticks...The LCD computer hits the RSOD when it doesn't have enough RAM memory...>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWJgYZisLck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWJgYZisLck)

This may help ....a little late,but I'm catching up with the videos...this is what it does before I installed the card you just sent me,You may have to forward to 3:15 as the machine just sits there..at the end of the video the machine does the same cycle every 3-4 min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvHlY-KGd7M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvHlY-KGd7M)..

Bingo!
I got the same error as you when I pulled out the BGM game card from the top slot.  :267-
I've successfully re-enacted your errors!  :71-
This error is the same as yours when the two pins are not jumped - we don't get to see anything that's going on on the LCD screen except for the MSverify on the VFD screen and the final error on the red screen.

It takes about 3 min to get to the MSverify again and get this same message again.
So you need to get those pins jumped so we can see the start up stuff.

The good thing is now I am sure your memory sticks are okay because you seeing the "Some Missing Components" error on the red screen and not the "Not Enough RAM Memory" error.
This means your memory sticks are okay.  :133-


Make sure you push down on the BGM game card in the top slot so the plunger pops up.
If you do that, then you know you have it inserted into the computer right.
Remove my RFA card from the side slot- you don't need it anymore.

Ok now Im a little confused.... in this photo the block on the pins doesnt that mean they are already blocked ? I am not getting this jumper issue and how you are able to see the boot up process on the screen...Sorry its all new to me

It looks like "bare pins" to me.
You need to install a jumper between them to create continuity for the circuitry to be "jumped".
Go grab one off of an old computer somewhere and shove it onto your pins.
They are like the ones on regular computers that may look like something like these below.
I kinda like the colored ones - they look like my wooden pegs!   :72- ...>>>

How do you do this Jumper ....Sorry guys but I dont want to fry something by doing this incorrectly...I know someone has posted a video or pics on this ...but I havent found it yet

Okay, Ill be right back....
I removed the jumper on the LCD computer from the other side and put it into the JP1 jumper location...it still worked!
Video clip shortly...>>>

Just pulled off the plastic black block off the pins (power off of course) it is all plastic ..no metal at the bottom like in the photo...i will have to go get some ..i dont have an old computer lying around

Yeah...a jumper with no metal in it won't "jump" !  :5-
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Here's a short video clip of how to install it we you get back from radio shack - I also tried
to show you how the PCMCIA card makes the plunger pop up when it's inserted correctly.
Those cards can only go in one way correctly.
Be careful of how you put them in.
Look at the slots on the sides of the card and make sure they're aligned up properly with the slot grooves.

The video clip is in two parts because I had to put the camera own to move the jumper in my pliers
to a better position to insert the sucker behind the memory sticks... :72-...>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuQfVA5Klv8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuQfVA5Klv8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-6OvMnsAbc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-6OvMnsAbc)

I have seen this message three or four times over the past few years and each time it has been the ATA card was missing some files or the wrong ATA card was in the top of the monitor. I have always booted and played these games with no card in the side. Hope this helps.

Yes...once the RFA OS is installed - you almost never need that card back in the side slot.
The problem is:
 I had his software working on mine!
Why wouldn't it work on his now?
I find it disappointing - to say the least!
I'm sure that the software is right because I had all of his software - in my machine.

On a side note...I do NOT remember offhand if I had changed the VS version chip like his VSGXO.
Mine has Version VSGX1 ( for multi-denom)...would the jurisdiction Version chip have anything to do with it?

I still suspect his top card isn't in correctly in the top slot
because I was able to match his error on the red screen.

Ok very nice info  :244- :244-  I get it now ....I should have pulled that block off to look at it first  :279-  Sory I feel like an idiot :5-...so i have to run around with the family,for awhile I will stop at Radio shack ..are these just generic jumpers i need?

yup...plain jane 2-pin computer jumpers.
Get two because you always lose them... :5-

Awesome...thanks Bunker...I will be back
Hey I was going to ask .....Are your machines really in your closet...  :103-  :72- :72- if so i was going to tell you to bring them out so people to see them.... :88-

 :72- Yup! And they're STAYING in there too!   :5-

Got these off the LCD ....Look at the System Battery is dead ...Replace and run setup.....Would this be the problem  :103- :103-

Absolutely could be. That's a 2032 battery isn't it?

Just to confirm, we are talking about the coin battery back of LCD board ...Lithium 3v BR2335 ?

Yep, put a meter on it and check the voltage if you can

 :208- :97- :72-
The bloody battery!
Now you see why we wanted you to get that jumper in there!
It's showing stuff that will pinpoint the problem.
You gotta go to Wallmart's now and pick up a watch battery.... :208-

I knew your LCD computer was working....but we never could see what the messages
were saying except for the last one in the red screen.

There's a way to scroll through all that stuff line by line but it has to be hooked up to a keyboard to do that.
Great eyes by cowboy for picking up the dead battery message line!
That is very important..."System Battery Is Dead- Replace and Run SETUP"
"SETUP" is my RFA card back in the side slot again.

You RAM memory (636k) is all good.
Once you get the new battery in, run the RFA card in the side slot one more time until you get to the clock/time/date message then turn off the machine and pull out the side lot RFA card.
Your game SHOULD be up...( I'm keeping my fingers crossed all night...lol)


Who's got the argyle sweater on?  :96-

uh oh...there's nothing on the "Hard Disk 0 : NONE" in the second photo...
that's NOT good.

I think it's not reading  the BGM card in the top slot.
That would explain the error message...>>> "Missing Some Required Components" error in the red screen.

You're going to have to check...it's very possible someone forced the card partially down backwards and bent the pins that are standing straight up.
If just one little itty bitty pin is bent and NOT entering the BGM game card - you will get the Missing Required Components" message because the LCD computer cannot read the PCMCIA card.
You're going to have to check the upright pins in that slot and see if any are bent.

so now it looks like we have a couple of possible problems.... :8-

That's why I was saying earlier...you got be careful inserting those flash cards.
Someone else could have done that before you and that's why you and the seller never saw the machine running.
It could also very well explain why your cards work in my machine - but not yours.

OHHH Cmon....Im starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel and now your gonna tell me its a train  :182-    :18- :18-

Please go back and read what I just posted...
I added stuff while you posted.

It's not the end of the world....all you gotta do is pull that unit out, set it on a table
and look down into the slot area and try to see if any pins are bent.
If, this is a big IF, the pins are NOT broken...you may be able to slowly bend them back up straight.

I will be happy to take mine apart to show you how easy/hard it is to do?

Do the easy things first - change that battery.
Maybe we will get lucky.

I will check the pins ......I know its not the end of the world...I was just messing around with the comment....I will check it out and let you know,I know where to look

It's quite daunting when you first look at it.
There are 2-rows of 34 pins totaling 64 pins in all.
If any two or more of those pins are "squashed" together -
they were both trying to get into one hole.
This is small tiny stuff we're looking at...I'm having a hard time just to get a decent photo of mine.
This is why I was trying to show you earlier how the plunger "pops up" when the card is inserted correctly.
You shouldn't have to force it !!!
The plunger doesn't pop too high - it only comes up to about just below level of the top of the LCD computer housing.

At the end of your LCD computer "Boot-Up" sequence - did you get to the red screen showing the "Missing Required Components..." message again? That means it's NOT reading the PCMCIA flash card.

I'm seeing if there's going to be a viable way to bend pins back...
My LCD computer's coming apart for you and in the name of slot science.  :79-

Below is a photo of 64 straight male pins in the PCMCIA slot of the LCD computer.
It's in a fairly high resolution so one can open it with their preferred picture viewer
and zoom in on this puppy!...>>>

Checked all pins They are all aligned with each other and in straight rows ....Those things are small !!! the card slides in and out smooth and plunger is working proper...whenever i install the card I make sure it is in all the way and is seated in the rails on the sides...and i dont push it down with any force ...oh and when the all the information is shown on the screen it does go back to red

How's that battery?

For testing purposes, I'd like to pull my battery but with my RFA card in the state of Idaho -
I won't be able to restore my computer for a few days!!  :72-

Thought I had a meter but I dont ....Go Figure ....May have to wait until I can Get one in the morning

oh crap.....sorry about that ....now i feel really bad....I can send it back...right away

State of Idaho???  Where are you from TD?  A month or two ago there were a couple of IGT machines on Craigslist in Mountain Home and one was a non working Slingo!

Are you the one that bought them?  

Jason

No TD...you're going to hang onto that RFA card I sent ya until we get this puppy running!
You're going to have to drop it back in perhaps because the LCD was indicating earlier that you need to do a "SET-UP".

Remember, we have a bit of fun working on these things...it's just a hobby for us.  :89-
There's absolutely no rush.
You and many others will learn how a Vision works by getting this going the way you want it to.  :89-
Again, there's no rush... :60-
I'll watch for your posts tomorrow.

Bingo .............I wasnt fast enough to get the other one he had ....Im in boise ...where are you ?

Bunker,all I can say is thanks ....thanks for going the extra mile to help people ....and like I said in the past you are one hellava multi-tasker............when this is over I will find some way to repay you....I will let you know what i find with the battery...........

Small world...I'm a Boisean as well.  Yeah, these types of toys don't last long on our local Craigslist for sure.

Hope you get that "Slingo" beauty going!

Jason

Wow ....it is a small world ...I had no idea ...I'm sure we will be in touch...we can send each other alerts when machines come up close.. :89- :89-


Admin note: Fixed quote box.

Good news ....Got a battery Powered up ...finally got past RED SCREEN OF DEATH !!!!!!! I can actually get into the menu and see it all on the screen....Bunker..it said Hard Disk 20 MB at boot up ......Here is what I have now...Candle flashing....  LCD Screen-There is a problem w/machine ...VFD says Call Attendant.....machine Type Mismatch...Closure M......Restart....THANK GOD>>>>>>> its good to see something else but RED     :3- :3- :3- :3-

okay,
press the test button once.
Up on your screen, see if you can get into the Keychip options.
dig around in there and look for machine "type" and set it for upright.
All the errors will go away by opening and closing the door latch a couple of times to removed the "Stacked" codes...

If you cannot get into the machine type settings,
then you will have to pull the MPU (with the power off and door open of course!)
remove the SB chip,
install the Keychip,
install the MPU again,
power up until you see two amber LEDs light up on the MPU board,
turn OFF the power again,
remove the MPU,
remove the keychip,
re-install the game SB chip,
re-install the MPU,
power up and go into the Keychip options
and change the machine type to "upright" machine....
then keep pressing the start button to get out of the Options
Close the door
and the game should come up.

"Hard Disk 20" means the LCD computer is finally "reading" the BGM PCMCIA flash card in the top slot.
Remember to remove the side RFA card.
Keep it aside for now...you need to hang onto it for like a week to see if the LCD "retains" the OS info.

What I think happened is the battery died...then the computer lost it's info but not completely -
Then fresh reboot of the RFA card in the side slot and a new battery allowed the computer to read the top card again.
The fresh battery should retain stuff in the RAM or CMOS eprom now.
Later on, you're going to want a spare RFA card in case the battery dies again.

Went through key chip menu set everything .....got out of menu....attract comes up on screen VFD says closure M and restart...coins just drop through....

Tried opening and closing door many times .....no change

Ok...you've got rid of the "Machine Type Mismatch" error by changing that setting...good!
Patience...we're ALMOST there!

"Closure M, restart"
I understand Closure M ( just means your door was recently opened and will go away at some point when the door is closed.)
but "restart"  :103-
Exactly what happens after you see "restart" on the VFD display?

You got the settings in now.
Turn off the machine then power it back up and tell us what you see.

Dont know if I typed it in wrong or it changed when I kept opening and closing the door ....it says Closure MB  REstart...candle bottom flashing

I wonder if there's a setting to monitor the motherboard (MPU) keylock tray in the Options?
Some casinos had locks for the MPU's with machine's set to monitor them if they were opened.

Check and see if your cash can/cash door wires are tied together and taped up.
Those wires are green and green w/blue stripe.
Candle flashing is normal until errors are cleared.

okay, I just checked...the "Door Closure MB" error on the VFD display is the result of the two wires I mentioned for the cash door not tied off.
They need to be terminated together and taped up so they don't ground out against
anything metal in the machine cabinet.
They should be located behind the cash box area.

Pull those suckers out of there, cut them them or rip them out, strip off a 1/2" of  cover from the ends,
twist them together and throw some electrical tape over the bare twisted wires.


There MAY be two other wires like these in the belly door on the top left hand front side.
Those monitor when the belly door is open.
Twist those suckers together too and tape them up.
That should take care of all the closure "M, MB, PHD" and any other door errors.

Can i cut the wires at the cash can door and tape them up ...right where they are wired into the door switch

yup! The point is to twist them together to create an illusion to the MPU that the door's are closed -
we're faking the computer.
Where you tie those wires is not important - as long as they don't get pinched into the metal of the cabinet!

By the way:
"B" mens belly door
"M" means main door
"MB" means main bill cash door
"PHD" means something I never needed in life...  :96-

Cut wires at switch of CC taped them together ...no bill door open on LCD ...checked for wires at belly door ...none same Closure MB Restart ...wierd thing is the cash/credit button is only button lit up on the deck ...if that means anything

Button lights don't mean anything at this point because you haven't checked them with a multimeter to see if they're any good.

You need to go back into the settings and run an door optics check...
I will give you the rundown on how to do that in 5 minutes but 1st, shut off the machine and power it back up.
I need to find out what the "restart" being displayed on the VFD is all about...

Also, are there any credits on the display beside the errors?
If so, hit the cashout button two times and report back ASAP.

You cut the wires on the Coin Comparator?
You CAN'T do that!!!!  just kidding... :72-
"CC" in our world, means the "coin comparitor" -
I know you meant the "Cash Can".  Good!  :244-

Every S2000 I've seen has those same two green wires hanging under the button deck
on top of the fluorescent light ballast on the top left-hand side when you open the belly door.

Yours may possibly be tied together already and shoved into the loom of the door harness -
besides that, we're getting an "MB" error which means the "main bill cash door."

No credits on machine ....never was ....0 in coins played window blank in other 2
I will check again at the belly door ....Sorry about the lingo I will get it right

Good...
Have you turned off the machine's power and powered back up yet?
I need to figure out this "restart" baloney...
It's driving everyone nuts!  :200-  :72-

Turned off and on ...I did this a couple of times actually...still same error everything works on machine except this  :162-nd no lights on the deck, try to feed coins ...they drop right through ...I have no idea either  :103-

We don't know of your button lamps are any good except for that one "Cash/Credit" lamp.
Like I said, you haven't checked them with a multi meter yet and they're not important right now.
You will get them working later.

Does the bill acceptor work?
Try to insert a $1 dollar bill.

We need to see what is "enabled".

Open the door, press the test button once.
On the LCD, you should see "Accounting"- press the spin button.
That opens up another column beginning with "Terminal".
Hit the Cash/Out button 4 times to go down to "Version" and hit the spin button again.
The "Version" column should pop up on the LCD screen.
Hit the spin button and you will see a page on the LCD screen telling you what is enabled.
This would be a very good time time for you to snap a picture and show us what is on there.

Ok stuck a $1 in the BV and it took it showed it on the screen.....Buttons on deck lit up and played game ...as soon as I hit the max credit button,the candle stopped flashing and Closure MB on VFD went away ......open the door ..close it candle flashes and closure MB comes back on until you hit the button to play game then goes away  :103- :103-
Oh and the coins are registering and falling in the hopper  :3- :3-

I think you have a setting in the Options that controls how the candle should act.
No biggie...it's in the candle part of the menus under....uh.....lol...be right back.

okay..go to...>>> Options/Machines/Candles/Door Candle...you can change the door candle setting to
turn OFF  immediately every time you close the door.

You better get your video camera ready and show us that puppy in action!  :3-

That's how it works. If you open the door, the candle flashes and you get closure MB till you play a game to clear it. That screen going blank and the door open coming up may be an optics issue or a burp. Keep playing and see what happens

He just needs to do a little tweaking here and there with the settings
and get the coin mech to work again and he should be fine.

In a recap -
The biggest two things that solved a lot in pinpointing the problems
was installing the jumper to see the errors like "Dead Battery".
But he had in re-install the RFA OS card to get that far!
Every time he turned off the machine, with a dead battery, he lost the BOOT up routine!
The RFA HAD to stay in to see errors...!
Also, re-seating that top slot BGM card finally allowed the LCD computer
 to READ the card as we saw in the boot up that there was nothing occupying the 1st HARD DISK 0. -
now it reads 64kb!!!!

Finally, clearing stuff that the previous seller didn't know beans about like
tying up cash door wires and so forth got this game up and running again.

The progress is outstanding!  Video footage is a must once it's done!

Jason

Coin mech is working according to his last post. He had a hiccup normally associated with a open door, that's why I mentioned an optics problem. Opening and relatching the door cleared it. Maybe the latch just wasn't seated all the way and the optics lost contact for a split second after he played a game

Could be a simple optics alignment problem....
who knows how many times that door was opened without checking it?  :72-
Those little screws can't keep it in the right spot FOREVER!


I agree! Video clip please!!!   :317- :183- :184- :199- :267-

He's probably washing all the fingerprints off the glass and button deck...
mine looks like hell now!  :97-

 :97-That's my point Bunker, most likely doesn't have any more real issues :89-

Update ...everything works fine ...stilll get the error but I will have to check the optics like you have told me ...I am happy to be playing....Just hit a 750 on the bonus round :133-  one last question for today ..for some options ,the first being VOLUME on my list..do you have to use the key chip every time to access these ??
On another note I cant thank you guys for all of your help...I would have never got this far in a short amount of time if it wasnt for all your knowledge. all you guys are good people ...Thank You  :244- :244- :244-  Bunker ....you really amaze me ..you are the MASTER OF TROUBLESHOOTING... :241-
I will clen up the fingerprints... :72- and shoot a video but it will have to be tomorrow ....my phone is deader than a doornail

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volume can be adjusted in menu 3 with or without credits on the machine, no keychip neccessary

Fantastic!  Bunker, you are the man...again.  One of the most selfless guys I know.

Jason

haha! Can I put MY machine back together now?  :72-

On the LCD screen, it will display a message for only a few certain options that you would need to use the Keychip to change it.
Mainly you only need it for changing the Keychip options, Denomination, etc.etc. It's a good chip to have.
 
Once you set the options the way you want it, you never really have to change them again - that is until you buy different kits to play with and swap out software/glass/strips...  I think you might want to leave this one in there for awhile...:96-
Get used to how the accounting works too!
There's lotsa cool stuff in there that you never see the tech at the casinos use!  :91-
It's fun to check how the machine is paying out every now and then with the reset key and accounting sheets!
   
Enjoy your game and if you get any problems -
let us know TD and we will try to help you out!  :89-
It's always good to ask here, before you change settings that you may not be familiar with.

to clarify MB CLOSURE means that main door was open and now closed AND bill cash door was open and now Closed (its actually 2 pieces of information (2 doors) in one message

Cool!  :133-
If the main door is closed and I open the bill acceptor cash door through the belly door opening -
what message would I get?  :129- That's assuming the sensors switches are in full operation
and the wires not cut, twisted, and taped up.


(I can see guys running  :273- to their machines trying this out... :97- )

assuming belly door switch is still functioning and not been cut and tied
in this order
belly or main door open ------M open
bill door open ------   MB open
bill door close  -------  M open and B closure
belly or main door open -----  MB closure


bellyand main  door closed but bill box a little open beacuse no lock or not tight 

if games played since main door open then    B open
if no games played since main door open       B open and M closure

Good stuff!
When I pull out the cash box and reinsert it through the belly door opening,
I then close the cash box door and belly door but cannot get the closure codes to go away
unless I open and close the main door.

Is that right?
That would mean that I would have to have access keys to the cash box door, belly door and the main door.
I thought you'd only need access keys for the cash box door and belly door to remove the cashbox from an S2000?

Closure message should stay on screen :200- :200- until you play a game

Ahh! I have to try that later on my personal S2000 machine!
I always thought the coin mech wouldn't accept coins
and one cannot play a game when there's an closure message for the cash box on the VFD screen -
I've learned something new today !  :89-

The machine "knows" when the cash box is removed from the bill acceptor right?
I have the cash box door wires tied up and taped - no switch there.
I will install all the missing micro-switches this week on my machine to do some testing -
they were never installed or working.

I could be wrong but cash box removals does not display a message with the switch. But it does send a sas exception that say cashbox removed. I catch that event in my sas program and log meters.

I agree with you...I don't remember offhand seeing any messages on the VFD display for the cash box removal
but it does show up in the LCD event log.

I think the "trigger" is an optic sensor in the back inside the WBA bill acceptor box that senses when the bill box is removed.

Hello All,
I have a question about volume settings ...........I cant find any ....I read cowboys post about the volume setting in menu 3.. I dont have a 3 ...I have 1 Accounting  2 History  4 IO tests thats it with no key chip and no credits on machine ?   :103-  wierd

you have to push the attendant switch on the MPU,
it looks like you turned the Jackpot reset key to get into the menu.

Just for clarity. Closure is just a message to show that the door(either M for Main or B for Bill) was open and has now been closed. 

W

Thanks Foster that worked....for some reason i thought the key and MPU switch pulled up the same options .....thats what i get for thinkin

thats what i said is reply 172

And I said it in post # 62...  :96- :97- :97- :97-

Reply #68...I checked... :208-
Way the heck back on page 3... :5-

Well here she is ...not a bad machine for 200 bucks.....the game is kinda slow,but I'll keep it for awhile ...I need to find me a pinball kit...Good Luck right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyUvHlK23RE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyUvHlK23RE)

Just wanted to say thanks again to everyone that helped me get it running,now i can work on some other options......

Eric

Hey! That's good TD!  :244-
That game is nowhere near the graphics with today's more modern games
but that was the top of the line games when it came out!

JDKMunch has the Pinball Vision game I believe...maybe he'll make
a short video clip of it in action for us Vision guys to watch?
I have the "Ms.Little Green Men", the "Fishing Game", and I am trying to get
the final pieces for a "Sizzling 7's Tee Time" game and for "The Munsters" Vision game.
My 5 and 6 year old nephews love playing with the "spaceship" game - as they call it.  :72-

Great job TD!  I think you can jazz up your spin sounds with a Multimedia Lite II board and a DSV sound SIMM.  ;)

Jason

Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTVeAIlVbBk&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTVeAIlVbBk&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

The sound SIMM is either a DSV00042 or a DSV000024.  Check with Jim...aka blueridgeslots.

Jason