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Title: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: slots4home on January 17, 2009, 11:57:26 PM
Just checking to see if you have or have not received your 2009 DOJ registration, Last year I received mine on January 03, and this year I still have not received mine for this year.
jusk checking
Darell


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Joeylc on January 18, 2009, 12:20:15 AM
We got ours Last Week ...


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Slottex on January 18, 2009, 09:02:53 AM
 I WAS LATE SENDING MINE, SENT OUT ON 1-10-09 AND RECEIVED ON 1-17-09. I ALWAYS FAX MINE. IF YOU DON'T RECEIVE RE-SEND BY FAX.


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Slottex on January 18, 2009, 10:33:34 AM
DARELL, IS THIS THE ADDREESS YOU USED- THIS IS THE NEW ONE.

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
950 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE,NW
CRIMINAL DIVISION,OEO
GAMBLING DEVICE REGISTRATION UNIT
JCK BUILDING,ROOM 1048
WASHINGTON,DC 20530-0001
ATTN: SANDRA HOLLAND

I JUST CHECKED THIS IS THE 19th YEAR THAT I HAVE BEEN REGISTERED AND ALWAYS RECEIVED IN LESS THAN 10 DAYS. I SURE MISS  MRS. GLADYS WILSON SINCE SHE RETIRED!


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: StatFreak on January 18, 2009, 12:35:38 PM
Wow! You guys know these Gov employees on a first name basis! AND notice differences in efficiency when one retires! :131- :131-
That is quite possibly the longest address I've ever seen.  :81- I'm surprised it doesn't contain her desk number and the specific filing cabinet that the application goes in. :5- :97- :97-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: stayouttadabunker on January 18, 2009, 01:36:52 PM
It strange that they file these applications in the CRIMINAL division. :96-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Slot Docs on March 10, 2009, 07:13:51 PM
Hey guys,
      I applied in Nov 08 and got mine in Dec 08 for 09......That worked out well.......
Slot Docs


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Randy0777 on March 25, 2009, 06:26:52 AM
Cool,a topic I researched and even called the Md. DOJ and they told me to call the Lottery :30-.  I want to be able to sell machines to a "legal" state... But I'm not allowed to own them in my state??? Can I do this?


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: StatFreak on March 25, 2009, 11:35:23 AM
I would think that it would depend on your particular state's laws. Maryland is a 25 year state, so at least they don't prohibit slots altogether.

I know that several slot-unfriendly states allow registered slot dealers to operate as long as they don't sell newer machines to local residents. Most state governments are motivated by greed, just like every business; they don't want to see your business license fees and taxes going to the state next door. Still, I would check the laws for MD, or make some phones calls.


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Slot Docs on March 25, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
Hi Randy,
   you are missing the point here the DOJ registration we are talking about is not issued at the state level.
it is issued at the federal level. All you have to do is fill out the form and fax it to them and you are registered.
there may be other requirements by the state such as you must be in a free trade zone, licensed by the state,
sales tax permit, or other special licenses, however the DOJ is issued via the feds, IMHO the state of MD cannot make it
illegal for you to obtain the permit as that would fall under the Restraint of Trade rules set up by the feds. They can
however enforce any state or local requirements in addition to the DOJ registration. So definitely check with
you state and local authorities as to what the requirements are. 
Slot Docs


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: dpalmi on March 25, 2009, 02:30:45 PM
All you have to do is fill out the form and fax it to them and you are registered.

Hello!

Do you know where to get this form??

Dan #2


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: StatFreak on March 25, 2009, 03:01:33 PM
Good points Slot Docs. I didn't mean to suggest that the DOJ was a state-level document, only that one would need to get past all of the state hurdles in order to be able to engage in the buying and selling of gaming machines in a particular state. The DOJ alone won't get you into the slot business, and as suggested, it is the probably the easiest part of the process.

That being said, don't take the filing of a DOJ lightly. You will henceforth be on the fed's radar so you'd better be sure that you're going to go the whole way and make it worth while, and that you have been, and will continue to be in compliance with all state and federal regulations regarding the sale and distribution of slot machines and parts.

dpalmi, I believe that the address is listed above in SlotTex's post. If they are the receiving point for filled-out applications, I'm sure that they can provide blank ones as well.


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Slot Docs on March 25, 2009, 03:17:04 PM
Hey Stat,
      You also bring up some very good points which is basically what i was trying to convey in my post. One letter form the DOJ
dose not make a business.........make sure you cover all the bases via State, county, and local authorities. Also make sure that
you make & maintain meticulous records concerning the purchases, sales, & shipping concerning games by serial # make & model
as well as finances just as in any other business.
Slot Docs


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: StatFreak on March 25, 2009, 03:24:09 PM
I know that it's been a long time since you first registered, but do you know if they do background checks? Just curious.


BTW, I already said this, but to be blunt: ...to "have been" in compliance with all state and... means that if you're in a 25 year state, you'd better not own any newer machines right now. 'Nuff said.


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Slot Docs on March 25, 2009, 05:39:41 PM
Hey Stat,
      As far as I know they do not do background checks. That as far as I know is left to the different states
as some require it and some do not. As far as my last post I was never implying that you were not in compliance
with any regs what so ever, i was only agreeing with you to point it out to those others that are interested.
just so that there is no misunderstanding.
Slot Docs


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: StatFreak on March 25, 2009, 07:50:17 PM
We're on the same page. :71-

I was also just pointing out to anyone looking into this option of the pitfalls that one could encounter - particularly for those who collect machines as an under-the-table hobby and wish to move into the professional arena.

Perhaps a person could get away with getting a DOJ and setting up a business while in possession of machines that they shouldn't have had beforehand if their state failed to do any checking, but I'm still of the opinion that this would be a risky and un-worthwhile chance to take.

It's kind of like applying for a gaming license: you want to be squeaky clean before getting started. :89-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Slot Docs on March 26, 2009, 05:35:33 AM
Hey Stat,
      You got that right............Why invite scrutiny if your not ready...........would be kinda foolish.
Thats kinda like on COP's a guy gets stopped for speeding and has a bag of a leafy green substance
in the car, and the Cop asks him if it's ok to search the car, and the dumb ass says sure..........
then he acts surprised that the cop found the stuff, well thats not mine...........yeah sure buddy
tell it to the judge, why would the guy tell the COP it was ok to search ?????
Slot Docs


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: brichter on March 26, 2009, 05:39:48 AM

why would the guy tell the COP it was ok to search ?????


That's why they call it "Dope".  :72- :72- :97- :97- :25- :25-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: StatFreak on March 26, 2009, 12:38:39 PM

why would the guy tell the COP it was ok to search ?????


That's why they call it "Dope".  :72- :72- :97- :97- :25- :25-

 :72- :72- :72- :72- :72-


Okay, soapbox/preacher alert!  :68- :68-

You'd be surprised how many people don't know that they can say "NO" to a police officer, and fewer know that their car is protected from illegal search by the constitution. If a person (or a suspect -- as all persons are either victims or suspects in the eyes of police) refuses, the officer will pressure him or her, as a parent would a child, by saying something like, "What are you hiding? If you have nothing to hide, then why not let me search and you can be on your way?" Don't fall for such pressure tactics.

An officer must have probable cause to search without permission, and you're saying "no" is NOT probable cause! If the officer stretches the law to invent probable cause, stand firm and repeat over and over that you do NOT give him permission to search. Then let your lawyer handle it.

This holds true even if you really don't have anything to hide!! You don't have to prove it. Remember that the officer is not your friend; he or she is trying to find anything incriminating to use against you. Don't give him the chance. You may believe that you are 100% in compliance with the law, but that officer might find something in your car to use against you anyway.

I learned this lesson at a very young age when vandals drove their truck through our front hedge and ruined it. When the police arrived to take a report, the FIRST thing that they did was to use OUR phone to call the precinct to see if my mother had any outstanding warrants! (obviously, she didn't, but that's beside the point.) The police are not there to help you 90% of the time. When you're lying in a pool of blood after a serious accident, then you can honestly say that the police are there to help you -- unless they determine that the accident was your fault!  :7-


End of soapbox/preacher alert!  :68- :68-

<ADD> I can be reasonably certain that at least one member here is a police officer. I still stand by what I say.


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Slot Docs on March 26, 2009, 05:06:20 PM
Great point Stat,
      One thing we know for sure is that they won't be there to protect you when a robber comes along
or someone burglarizes your home, but they will damn sure rip your car or home apart if they even suspect
you of anything. I Witnessed this firsthand when a friend of mine was accused of burglary of which he was innocent.
They (COPS) came in a searched his house and car and trashed both of them, then when they didn't find anything
they told him, Oh sorry for the inconvenience, but we will be watching you, and walked out the door. that was 15
years ago and he has not been to jail or even had so much as a traffic ticket.
Slot Docs


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: stayouttadabunker on March 26, 2009, 06:41:42 PM
Poor fella, I wonder if they're still "watching him"? :96-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: reho33 on September 25, 2009, 06:14:25 PM
hey I got one, only after I found out that it was easy to get and cost no money. Besides, the government knows me good! I got a ham license issued by the FCC and my license plates also have my call letters on them. So the presumption of privacy is gone. I just live and enjoy my life and choose not to worry about this stuff. Unless of course you live in New Mexico:

HOME OWNERSHIP OF SLOT MACHINES
Having a Slot Machine in your home has only very recently become available.  This came about as a result of the Court of Appeals decision in State of N.M., ex rel. NM Gaming Control Bd. v. Ten Gaming Devices 138 N.M. 426, 120 P.3d 848.  The court’s decision is very limited.  To legally obtain a slot machine in New Mexico, it MUST be purchased from a distributor or manufacturer licensed to distribute or manufacture machines in this state by the State of New Mexico.  ONLY New Mexico licensed manufacturers and distributors, licensed in New Mexico may transport gaming machines in New Mexico.  You may not purchase a slot machine in another state and bring it into this state without first complying with New Mexico law and federal law, the Johnson Act, 15 USC 1171.  Any slot machine purchased and transported into New Mexico without first complying with State and Federal law, is subject under the law to forfeiture and destruction.  The homeowner may not make a profit from having the machine.  Persons who play on the machine can play for winnings only.  The homeowner may not offer the slot machine for resale, to sell a gaming machine in New Mexico, you must be licensed to do so.  A homeowner may not transport the slot machine from one location to another, only a licensed manufacturer or distributor may do so and must comply with the state and federal law to do so.  A homeowner charging a fee to play or keeping a portion of monies (tokens exchangeable for cash) put into the slot machine for ANY reason, would be commercial gambling, §30-19-3 NMSA, a fourth degree felony.  :60-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: stayouttadabunker on September 25, 2009, 06:45:59 PM
"Chop, Chop, Chop..."     (the sound of an wood axe chopping reho's head off)  :96-

No, why in the world did ya go and do that for?
You can't do anything now...that means buying and selling selling/ trading parts and stuff...man oh man.

Understand the word..."restricted"....


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: slotsteve on September 25, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
Got our 1st doj in mid 70,s  some how in mid 80,s we didn,t renew it we thought we were flying under radar ,we were in nj at that time , had a few pal,s in vegas reno that found us some bally 800,s,  then bright and early one morning came a knock on the doors it was fbi. 5 years later  after flying  back / forth  from nj to las vegas spending close to 100k  with  lawyers and travel  we got a plea deal which at the time  I thought it was finally over but it wasn,t  my home town took away my abc  lic  {worth  250k at  time} lost of biz in my club in 2008 we moved to va  1st thing we did was get a doj , if I had it in 1985   they would have left me off  hit list on the raid , they never caught me with a ilegal slot my charges were driving a rental truck and talkin on telephone about moving slots to non legal states  nj/ ny so get the  papers it may save you some $$$$  and headaches , b ut  when locals took  my slots in 77 the doj  didn,t mean anything to state of nj  thanks to laws changing with the opening of ac I got most of my slots back and made 3x  as much sellimng them after the state holding them for 3 years


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: reho33 on September 26, 2009, 12:45:23 AM
I know, I know..........but it sucks in NM. I guess I just don't care. I think this crap has to stop. I don't get why some legislative body is so, so terrified of a game......after  all, it's just a game isn't it? I guess greed plays into the mix, they just want their cut like everyone else. When the numbers first came out, they were declared unlawful, now the states run the game and it is.........a lottery. Maybe I should move to Ohio :149- :138- In CT, the law basically states that if they smell you Thinking about a slot machine, they will (in no particular order) stomp on your ba11s, kick your door down, place you in a Full Nelson, make you say "Uncle" and then dispose of your body on the way to jail, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. And that's just for thinking.........imagine what they would do you you took action..........of course the Mohegan's and the Pequots are totally exempt from the statute. Maybe there should be an organization National Organization for the Reform of Slot Laws! :79- And by the way, a pinball machine in CT that gives free plays is considered a gambling device. Sorry for the soap boxing, I know that this has been debated ad nauseam here so my apologies if I seem redundant. I just think that if a person feels strongly enough, and lives in a slot -hostile state, they should write their elected officials about getting the law changed. I love my games as do most of the people here on this forum. I would be heart-broken if someone took them away and crushed them in a compactor, loss of money paid for them and loss of enjoyment :37-. Again, sorry for the rant........ahhhhhhhhhhh, now I feel much better (bettor) .


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: stayouttadabunker on September 26, 2009, 01:11:47 AM
nah..That's okay!...I believe there's nothing wrong with what you're saying reho...
I wish we could play with our machines without having eyes in the back of our heads all the time too.

I really believe there should be an ammendment to the slot laws in every state since
just about every state runs some type of gambling...
If the states cannot have slots, then all they do is have the tribal entities open a casino up...
The tribes are really state employees and get paid by the state they're in- every 2nd Thursday.
It's just loophole in the federal laws where they use the tribal Indians as a false storefront while
they rake in the cash.

Home ownership of slot machines could all work into the states' favor too...
playing these machines at home only really make you want to go out to a "sanctioned"casino and try and win for "real"...
Home ownership would enhance the states' coffers tremendously.... :89-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: reho33 on September 26, 2009, 02:43:05 AM
Maybe if the law were written that you agree to a few things like

1)You agree not to use the slot for gambling of any kind.
2)You agree that the machine will not be accessable to the general public.
3)You agree to get a DOJ certificate.
4)If the local jurisdiction wants your machines seriall #, etc, charge a yearly fee, that would be reasonable.
5)You agree not to use US currency, tito or token in/out.

This would be reasonable, most of us would comply, no biggie. I just thought that in NM it is weird that a slot can be used at home and anybody can "keep their winnings" So I guess that means that if people come and put money in and play and win, it's OK?????? Isn't that gambling? And the part about not importing or moving. I would challenge that in court because the DOJ is your right to ship and receive machines in interstate commerce. The NM Gaming Board are just sore losers because the court found for the defendant. So the decided to make everyones life miserable. They suck. :81-
     If marijuana is going to come off the books (I do not advocate drug use of any kind) and it will, then most lawmakers will see the silliness of such laws on gaming devices and dump them altogether. OK, no more talk on this subject (at least not for tonight)


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: jdkmunch on September 26, 2009, 10:53:41 PM
It's ridiculous -  states where slots are illegal should also outlaw dice and a deck of cards.


I agree the laws should be amended.    :137- :137- :137- :137- :137- :137- :137-

If GAMBLING is taking place you should loose all your machines and pay thousands in finds/taxes and go to jail.  To enforce this anyone can turn in a gamboling operation and get a hefty reward.





Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: brichter on September 27, 2009, 12:53:03 AM
That will never happen in California because the enlightened legislators here understand that criminals would never commit a crime unless:
1: They had a rough childhood, in which case it's not really the criminal's fault or
2: The criminal had in their possession any object that was during the commission a crime, because the object was just so full of evil that the criminal really had no choice other than commit the crime. In that case, it's not really the criminal's fault.

So, the state believes that by only allowing children to be raised according to their standards, and eliminating all evil objects, they will eliminate all crime. Simple, no?  :127-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: reho33 on September 27, 2009, 12:53:58 AM
What's to stop me from taking bets on PacMan. I could invite people to my house and bet one team against another, for money. It is just as sinister as crack-cocaine. I consider the matter closed. I didn't mean to hijack the thread. I guess if anyone is intrested, I could start a separate thread about this. Anyone who feels strongly about this subject should join the thread and write the congressmen/senators that represent you and politely ask that the laws be amended to accommodate us law-abiding citizens in this matter. I don't feel that I should be labeled as a criminal/offender for enjoying a game. Peace out!


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: reho33 on September 27, 2009, 12:56:16 AM
Cull -e fornia (as AHnold would say) don't get me started............ Having a pachislo in CA is a crime  :103- too........


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: slotsteve on September 27, 2009, 11:35:32 AM
It's ridiculous -  states where slots are illegal should also outlaw dice and a deck of cards.


I agree the laws should be amended.    :137- :137- :137- :137- :137- :137- :137-

If GAMBOLING is taking place you should loose all your machines and pay thousands in finds/taxes and go to jail.  To enforce this anyone can turn in a gamboling operation and get a hefty reward.

So if the guy next door to you  has a few slots and lets  his pals play for money you would RAT  him out, Being a rat is not a good thing,  my wife and I play our slots every nite with real money if  someone  ratted on us and they checked  cash boxes  we should go to jail? pay finds? pay more taxes,  god I can,t beleave you would even post  that here or anywhere




Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: jdkmunch on September 27, 2009, 01:18:13 PM
If you read the post I said Gambling - And you damn right I'd turn you in.  If I saw people coming and going from your house every night and saw that it was a gamboling operation I'd have your ass locked up in a second.  

Just like I would for - drugs, prostitution.

Please read the definition of gamboling and repost.  I don't think getting your own money out of the slot is gamboling.  



Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Neonkiss on September 27, 2009, 03:09:46 PM

Please read the definition of gamboling and repost.  I don't think getting your own money out of the slot is gamboling.  




gam·bol    (gām'bəl)  
intr.v.   gam·boled or gam·bolled, gam·bol·ing or gam·bol·ling, gam·bols
To leap about playfully; frolic.
n. A playful skipping or frolicking about.

If I saw you Gamboling out of your neighbors house, I might think you were on drugs, or trashed  :154-      :109-


Sorry, I couldn't help myself.    :79-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: jdkmunch on September 27, 2009, 03:38:18 PM
Lol!! :61-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: CommTech on September 27, 2009, 03:50:46 PM
Maybe if the law were written that you agree to a few things like

1)You agree not to use the slot for gambling of any kind.
2)You agree that the machine will not be accessable to the general public.
3)You agree to get a DOJ certificate.
4)If the local jurisdiction wants your machines seriall #, etc, charge a yearly fee, that would be reasonable.
5)You agree not to use US currency, tito or token in/out.

I believe your first two points are reasonable.
Unless your are selling or maybe transporting these machines across state lines, then 3 would not be needed.
Number 4 is just plane unreasonable! Would you agree that your local government should charge an annual fee for any VIDEO GAME that emulates gambling? No? Whats the difference between a home slot machine (used for fun) and the video games you buy in the store that does the same things?  Nothing!
And as far as number 5 ... Who cares what form of currency or non-currency you use to play with, as long as your not gambling?

There are already laws on the books concerning gambling. There wouldn't need to be any additional laws to regulate home slot machines.

I also agree with Stout, that legalising home slot machines would ENHANCE Casino and STATE  revenue, not hurt it.


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: jdkmunch on September 27, 2009, 09:54:19 PM
I would like to apologize for my misspelling!   (One more reason to hate IE…. My firefox has a built in spell checker.)  Anyway I find it most interesting that there are two spellings.  I recently found out that the Protestant 10 commandments split the first two and the Catholic version split the last two (covet thy neighbors wife and covet thy neighbors goods)   - - Does this mean that there are really only 8 commandments? 

gam·bol (gmbl)
intr.v. gam·boled or gam·bolled, gam·bol·ing or gam·bol·ling, gam·bols
To leap about playfully; frolic.
n.
A playful skipping or frolicking about.


gam·ble (gmbl)
v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.
v.tr.
1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager.
2. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission.
n.
1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture.
2. An act or undertaking of uncertain outcome; a risk: I took a gamble that stock prices would rise.
 


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Neonkiss on September 27, 2009, 11:46:29 PM
You know I was just funning you....  :30-

I think that's why were all happy and full of joy when we win  :148- while Gambling, Because were Gamboling  :144-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: StatFreak on September 28, 2009, 03:46:12 AM
You know I was just funning you....  :30-

I think that's why were all happy and full of joy when we win  :148- while Gambling, Because were Gamboling  :144-

Actually, I think that you would gambol because you won at gambling. :96-



Hey, is this the time to bring up the difference between lose and loose again? :30-

Here is an example of the correct usage of both words, although the word loose, when used to refer to a "loose slot", is slang. The sentence, however, fits our forum well:  Did you lose money playing the slot machine because it didn't have a loose pay table?

lose
Pronunciation: \ˈlüz\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): lost \ˈlȯst\; los·ing \ˈlü-ziŋ\
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English losian to perish, lose, from los destruction; akin to Old English lēosan to lose; akin to Old Norse losa to loosen, Latin luere to atone for, Greek lyein to loosen, dissolve, destroy
Date: before 12th century

ADD> loser (pronounced \ˈlü-zər\ is also correct, although not mentioned here (because it is a noun, not a verb). Def: One who loses, especially consistently. Ex: "He is a loser."  SF :31-

transitive verb 1 a : to bring to destruction —used chiefly in passive construction <the ship was lost on the reef> b : damn <if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul — Matthew 16:26(Authorized Version)>
2 : to miss from one's possession or from a customary or supposed place
3 : to suffer deprivation of : part with especially in an unforeseen or accidental manner
4 a : to suffer loss through the death or removal of or final separation from (a person) b : to fail to keep control of or allegiance of <lose votes> <lost his temper>
5 a : to fail to use : let slip by : waste <no time to lose> b (1) : to fail to win, gain, or obtain <lose a prize> <lose a contest> (2) : to undergo defeat in <lost every battle> c : to fail to catch with the senses or the mind <lost what she said>
6 : to cause the loss of
7 : to fail to keep, sustain, or maintain <lost my balance>
8 a : to cause to miss one's way or bearings <lost himself in the maze of streets> b : to make (oneself) withdrawn from immediate reality <lost herself in daydreaming>
9 a : to wander or go astray from <lost his way> b : to draw away from : outstrip <lost his pursuers>
10 : to fail to keep in sight or in mind
11 : to free oneself from : get rid of <dieting to lose weight>
12 slang : regurgitate, vomit —often used in such phrases as lose one's lunchintransitive verb 1 : to undergo deprivation of something of value
2 : to undergo defeat <lose with good grace>
3 of a timepiece : to run slow

— los·able \ˈlü-zə-bəl\ adjective

— los·able·ness noun

— lose ground : to suffer loss or disadvantage : fail to advance or improve

— lose it 1 : to lose touch with reality; also : to go crazy
2 : to become overwhelmed with strong emotion : lose one's composure <so angry I almost lost it>

— lose one's heart : to fall in love




loose
Pronunciation: \ˈlüs\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): loos·er; loos·est
Etymology: Middle English lous, from Old Norse lauss; akin to Old High German lōs loose — more at -less
Date: 13th century

1 a : not rigidly fastened or securely attached b (1) : having worked partly free from attachments <a loose tooth> (2) : having relative freedom of movement c : produced freely and accompanied by raising of mucus <a loose cough> d : not tight-fitting
2 a : free from a state of confinement, restraint, or obligation <a lion loose in the streets> <spend loose funds wisely> b : not brought together in a bundle, container, or binding c archaic : disconnected, detached
3 a : not dense, close, or compact in structure or arrangement b : not solid : watery <loose stools>
4 a : lacking in restraint or power of restraint <a loose tongue> b : lacking moral restraint : unchaste c : overactive; specifically : marked by frequent voiding especially of watery stools <loose bowels>
5 a : not tightly drawn or stretched : slack b : being flexible or relaxed <stay loose>
6 a : lacking in precision, exactness, or care <loose brushwork> <loose usage> b : permitting freedom of interpretation
7 : not in the possession of either of two competing teams <a loose ball> <a loose puck>

— loose·ly adverb

— loose·ness noun

ADD> looser (pronounced \ˈlü-sər\ is a valid word, but is VERY RARELY USED (correctly). Ex: "John's knot is tied looser than Mary's knot."  SF :31-



gam·ble (gmbl)
v. gam·bled, gam·bling, gam·bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.
3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.
v.tr.
1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager.
2. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission.
n.
1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture.
2. An act or undertaking of uncertain outcome; a risk: I took a gamble that stock prices would rise.

It's interesting that for noun 2 they chose the stock market for their example, because the verb intransitive definition 2, "To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit," certainly encompasses investing in the stock market, unless one has insider information.


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: reho33 on September 28, 2009, 11:21:16 AM
Gambol! I just have to confess.............Mom, Dad, I SCREWED the casino by having my own slot machine.........

Sometimes the abuse of slots is just not that obvious: Call 1-800-Turn-my-azz-in to stop the illegal use of slots, day or night
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Here is a link to a tee shirt that says "Mom and dad, I screwed the telephone company.................
http://www.phonelosers.org/images/order_tshirt2_back_big.jpg?phpMyAdmin=Am5GtwN9B1d5U07871O3b%2CHSiG8&phpMyAdmin=10c4a8582act2e83b170

I would like to get that design but have it say "Mom, Dad, I screwed the casino............."


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: jay on September 28, 2009, 08:56:27 PM
Just building on that idea.......Would you not think that one way of managing problem gaming would be to put a machine in someones home .... let them play it until the novelty wore off....

Think of it like a methadone clinic......


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Neonkiss on September 28, 2009, 11:16:12 PM

There are already laws on the books concerning gambling. There wouldn't need to be any additional laws to regulate home slot machines.

I also agree with Stout, that legalising home slot machines would ENHANCE Casino and STATE  revenue, not hurt it.

I couldn't agree more.

Also for those who live in States where a machine has to be of a particular age before it is considered legal, Think about this.
I have see State Statues written it law that when they were enforced it went to the Supreme Court of the State.
The one particular law that I'm thinking of had to do with building protection based upon the age of the building.
A group of people (The Small Hotel and Motel Asso.) sued the State claiming a hardship on the cost of the upgrades to all these buildings. The Supreme Court of the State told them at the end of the trial, Not only did we (The State) tell you to up-date these building when we wrote this State Statue, But I'm here in this Court of law telling you to have your people up-date these buildings..

Well you would think that a Judge from the State Supreme Court would be the final answer.
6 day later they filed and appeal based upon Age Discrimination and won. This Judge ordered that this Statue can not be enforced with its current language.
To date this Statue is still on the books and no one has taken the initiative to re-write this law or have it removed.

If you get busted for just the possession of a slot machine because of it's age, I wounder if you could get out of it because it is AGE DISCRIMINATION.
A 5 year old machine does the same thing as a 30 year old machine, so what's the difference? It has to be all or none.

Just my 2 cents.


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: Billythekid on September 29, 2009, 12:36:37 AM
If you read the post I said Gambling - And you damn right I'd turn you in.  If I saw people coming and going from your house every night and saw that it was a gamboling operation I'd have your ass locked up in a second. 

Just like I would for - drugs, prostitution.

Please read the definition of gamboling and repost.  I don't think getting your own money out of the slot is gamboling. 



Quite frankly why would you be so uptight about GAMBLING on a slot?  At least in California, your neighbor could hold a big poker game every night of the week, that is gambling too but not illegal, so there's nothing you could do about it. My friend has a twice a week poker game with 60 plus people.. Tournament pots get up to $1500 for first place $800 second and on.  You must just be a stikler for obeying every single law out there. There are lots of them most people don't even know about and I'm sure you break them all the time...


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: reho33 on September 29, 2009, 12:45:57 AM
Again, like Op-Bell said, most states just copied CA's statute and went with it. And also, you are just as guilty of gambling whether it is a modern S2000 or an 1899 Liberty Bell. Is a knife less dangerous being 100 yrs old, or just new. In NYC the only legal way to possess a switchblade knife is if you are disabled and only have one arm. The theory is that if you had 2 hands, you could open the knife but if you only had one, well, you get the idea. Again, I did not mean for this to be a soapbox on slot laws but I think that if we are to retain our rights in the future, we need to take up the mantle and write the letters, make the phone calls, etc. It is ironic, that in CA, where slots were invented by Charles Fey, you would think that the state would want to protect peoples right to own them. After all, it is part of California's history. I don't think medical marijuana is though......... In response to your comments about giving a gambling addict a  home slot.......it's the act, not the venue. If your drunk at home or in a bar, makes no difference, the end result is the same, addictive behavior. So getting back to the thread topic, I have my DOJ for 2009 and will apply Dec 1 for 2010.
     By the way, has anyone here ever played Left-Right-Center?


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: brichter on September 29, 2009, 01:35:47 AM
At least in California, your neighbor could hold a big poker game every night of the week, that is gambling too but not illegal, so there's nothing you could do about it.

Actually, I think that is illegal in California.


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: slotsteve on September 29, 2009, 10:38:01 AM
Whenl i got poped in mid 70,s in  nj there was no slots  legal  then came ac and they had a pre 1941 law   we were able to get all back that didn,t have any power cords going to them , only lost 2  jenning  standups  with hoppers , that bust was good for us we sold them for a big profit after we got them back and they were legal


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: stayouttadabunker on September 29, 2009, 11:20:24 AM
Hate to remind you of your wild, younger days Slotsteve but,
what was the penalty at that time in NJ? :129-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: reho33 on September 29, 2009, 11:41:25 AM
penalty? Death with the possibilty of exumation............... :72-


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: slotsteve on September 29, 2009, 07:11:45 PM
Hate to remind you of your wild, younger days Slotsteve but,
what was the penalty at that time in NJ? :129-

6 months on each charge  i think there was 3  they took 90 slots out of our cellar got 88  back  but they wouldn,t bring them back we had to get them it never went to court was a plea deal , this was a load from england sega , jennings  , mills  , we had the doj  but nj  didn,t care  then came  slots in ac and the law changed pre 41


Title: Re: DOJ REGISTRATION
Post by: stayouttadabunker on September 29, 2009, 08:24:53 PM
So the court of New Jersey looked at your DOJ and basically said...
"what's this piece of paper?"

I think I understand why...
The DOJ's are federally "insured" but meant squat in the state you reside in...
Hmm...makes me want to go pick one up!.... :5-