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I have repeatedly run the clear chip several times before replacing with the SB chip!

I remove the Clear Chip and replace with my SB Chip.  Once I get the “RAM ERROR".  I turn the set Key (4) four times.  Now I get a message that says "PRESS TEST SWITCH FOR 2-3 SECONDS".  I proceed by pressing the small white button on the MPU for 3 seconds then release.  Now the message on the LED now reads "CLOSE MAIN DOOR".  I proceed and making sure the lever is pressed down with force to make sure it is fully seated.

Now the Door LED reads "TESTING MEMORY".  When it is finished I get a message that reads "CALL ATTENDANT".  At this point I open the main door again.  I immediately get an Alarm again.  I proceed, keeping the door open, and turn the Reset Key (3) three times.  After a few moments the reels spin machine reboots and I get a message stating coin-in jam door open m. I never get the message MACHINE TYPE MISMATCH which I should!! I never get to remove the SB chip and replace with key chip!! 

I’m lost don’t know what the problem is!  Can’t get a complete clear on this machine!

I keep getting the error message coin-in jam door open m and the machine will not do a complete clear!!

Any Suggestions will be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks,

Richard

Does your machine have coin handling stuff or is it coinless?

Coinless!

Do you have the coinless bypass connector attached to the harness?

Hello yes I do.

And did you go into the key setups and enable coinless mode?

Will not let me change!

Richard,

I've experienced weirdness with clear/key procedures before that I cannot explain.  I have one combination that's REALLY strange.  Whenever I switch from my 3CM Double Diamond Deluxe to my 3CM Crystal Sevens, the clear/key procedure does not play nicely.  The only way I can get around it, is to perform a clear/key with a completely different theme.  

My .02, try the key/clear with another theme and see what happens.  If another theme clear/keys fine, go back to your orignal theme that you were working with, and see if it takes. 

Jason

Jason, I already tried with another theme same out come.

Thanks,

Richard

Is this a 3 or 5 reel machine? I had the same thing driving me crazy on a 5 reel. It was a bad display.

Hello this is a three reel machine.

Thanks

If you have another MPU board I would try it. You can also unplug the plug behind the winner paid window then try to clear. If that display is bad you could get coin in tilt error. Hope this helps.

erbs thanks I have tried another MPU board did the same thing but I didn't try unplugging the winners paid window. I will this.

Thanks,

Richard

Richard  I know there is one set of instructions out there that does it a different way, but I go from the clear chip, to the key chip, to the SB chip ( in that order ) and seem to always have good results.

Buzz thanks I will try this!

I bought this machine end of December and haven't got it to work yet!

Thanks,

Richard

Richard  I posted this two days ago.   http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=16668.msg141287#msg141287  If your doing a clear for a coin error you might be chasing your tail.   :103- :103-

I agree with this, ran into the same error tonight. Was working on a new machine and pressed the cash out button and the machine is coinless. Had to do a clear 3 -4 times to be sure, then key31 and sb. Make sure you set the coinless to enabled or you will be in a loop.

Richard  Just a thought, but maybe you ARE getting a complete "clear" but the coin error is sticking it's ugly head up as soon as you install the SB chip.  Door IO and the displays is where I would check.

Buzz your help on using the clear chip, key chip!  I believe this has worked. Machine has not had the coin-in jam and any other error yet. I hope this fixed it.
I received the machine not working end of December, the seller said it was working just fine when he shipped it. :259-
I will let you know.
Thanks, Richard

If what the seller said was true, then whoever packed it for shipping - changed something?

How would a machine get an "Coin-In Jam" error from shipping?

I think a couple of UPS guys opened it up started playing with it for a couple of days
then decided to slap some packing tape on it and deliver it to you?  :72-

Hey, they played it so much that they got the coin-in jam error!!  :72-
Machine was received with credits on it, when I powered it up got the coin-in jam error.
I believe Buzz's suggestion has fixed it! I hope!  Clear chip, key chip and base chip.
Thanks to all! :244- :244-

Richard

IF I use a clear chip
I do it in this order and usually do not have a problem.

1 Clear chip
2 Base chip
3 Set what I can set
4 key chip
5 base chip
6 +finish all the key menu settings I have to adjust. which is 80 percent or more. I have my own TITO working.

I use to do it this way to and it worked fine. But when you get a weird one like the coin out error, Buzz's way works better in that case.

Clear chip at least 3 times in a row
key chip
base chip
key chip again if you missed any little settings

I had a Coin in Jam on my Vision Ready the day I got it,
The Vendor had me try many things including clearing it about 6 times.
I even tried it when I was working on it without his help.
Nothing we tried solved the issue.

I had prepared to remove the mother board and inspect it, by disconnecting every plug to the M/B.
I decided not to remove the motherboard and since I was not sure where every connector went.
I carefully figured out what each was and put it in the proper connection.
I even removed and re installed the MPU, Door and Cabinet I/O (probably the 10th time I had done it)
Powered up still had the coin in jam
turned it off I decided to leave it alone for a day or two.
Came back to it a day or two later, powered it up, no more coin in jam.


Note CMOS RAM chips in the S2000 looses data almost immediately. when you remove them from the board.
The EEPROM on the motherboard is considered a permanent storage device (by IGT and various gaming jurisdictions) but once the Clear chip gets done with it.
It is cleared, as long as you use the proper clear chip (97 or later)

IF you have a programmer capable of programming/testing/erasing the 24C16. The GQ-2/3/4X can do it. Buzz I suspect your Batronix can as well.
Test it, and erase it (fill with FF) and remove and re-install the CMOS RAM chips (you just cleared the machine)

I do not know the complex logic that goes on between the door I/O and the main CPU on the MPU but I suspect the SENET chip, most likely a another Micro controller is buffering any Coin in / out jam errors.


 

Foster  I'm going to post two pictures of the same machine. First one is of the machine in playing order with a 5 line display in place of where I need a 9 line display. ( I don't have a spare one ) Second picture is the same machine but with a bad 9 line display. Please note a coin error in the second picture.  Now you can talk until the cows come home and you will not convince me a chip is causing this error on my machine.  All I did was switch a good display for a bad display.

OK I just went one step futher, I took a 9 line display from a second machine and installed it in the first machine. NO coin error. Bottom line is I have 3 displays (1) 5 line and (2) 9 line Two of the displays the machine plays and 1 display I get a coin error. Case closed.

Buzz that is a different issue than what I in 2007 and freebird4 recently was having with coin in jam error on our machines.

I could not clear mine, but doing what I did to mine got it working.
I am one of the first few on here with a Vision Ready or S2000 in 2007.

I will say this sometimes even the guru's get stumped why a simple tilt wont go away.
When we try every thing known at the time but try something that is overkill and it goes away.

Those are good pictures Buzz and definitely states the case but it brings up a question in my mind as to
how in the world does a bad, non-working line bet display cause the the MPU to output that particular error?
That's what confuses me.  :129-

I know the SB or SG chips store messages such as "Bad Display", or "bad VFD display" and
you'd think the MPU would throw out those error codes instead?
It just shows you how hard it is to diagnose these machines when one would think a "Coin-In Jam" error
would be related to the coin mechanism area.

Does the MPU throw out a "Coin-In Jam" error if you have the "wrong" display installed instead of a bad, non-working display?
I was just wondering because I don't have any non-working displays to try...

stayouttadabunker, Buzz is correct it definitely can. Don't know why. That same display caused me to get a coin in jam on a coin less machine. Mine had a burnt spot on it.

Ouch! The IC component at location R36 is blown up as well as it's surrounding traces big time.
That's NOT an easy fix considering the tiny size of those traces in there.

I'm not saying that Buzz is wrong at all...I believe he stumbled onto the fix by swapping around displays and parts.
My question was why we get a "Coin-In Jam" error instead of a more appropriate "Bad Display" error.
Thanks for showing us that blown up board.  :3-
Mine was blown up too last year near the 14-pin white Molex header but I was able to get some parts from coorslight's son to repair it.
I blew mine up by plugging it in while the power was "On".  :182-
That's a big no :60- no with any of these I/O-driven components. :7-

All of the constant coin in errors I have encountered were caused by the door I/O board being loose or bad. Maybe the board came loose in shipping ???? Thanks

It's very likely and I agree with you too.
I've learned enough that's it's never good to turn on a machine without first pushing in
everything that could possibly come loose during movement or shipping.
The worst thing that you can do is power up a machine
and a loose I/O card shorts itself out...meaning more  :56- :148- to shell out for new parts!  :72-

Which card is the I/O card?  I've never messed with one.  Just curious.

Jason

Jason  I'll tell you like I would tell Staz, If you don't know, don't  F**k  with it. 

5 button deck you have two ( they are different part #) one is located on the MPU chassis ( the one you plug your backlit cable into) the other is located between the belly glass and inner door panel to the right of coin comparitor.

10 button has two of them on the door, one inside one outside inner door panel. And the one on the MPU chassis.

Thanks Buzz.  Just wanted to know where it/they were located.

Jason

I have had some machines that have had the door IO tie wrapped so it can't come loose. Makes you think this is a problem even in a Casino.

This machine was sold and when they got it home it only played a couple on spins and got the coin error.  Next day we took another machine to them and swapped out the MPU and kit and brought the bad machine back to the house. I think they told my Son they saw a extra light hanging below the button deck and they messed with it. Lord forbid one of our OCD nit pickers get a 10 button machine that has extra unused lights hanging below the buttons. I can see 75 post asking where to put the light.

Bunker in this case no IO's were harmed, only the display. ( no burn marks on the display ) You would think when I plug in a 5 line display into a 9 line machine I would get a error but I don't, the machine excepts it.

That makes sense don't it?  :72-

Sounds like when I was younger and my '77 Toyota Corolla needed new plugs.
I only had pair of new ones ( didn't know beans about gapping plug either! ) but it sputtered and coughed all the way to Napa Auto parts
where I swapped out the junky plugs right there in the parking lot!
Turned out I needed a new rotor for a smoother engine... :25-

Guys!! Thanks Again for all of the HELP!!!!  Machine is still working!!!!  :244-

Richard

That's great freebird!! :136-

What move did the trick? Swapping out that "Line Bet" board?  :129-
It will help future members when reading this thread!  :89-

I followed Buzz's suggestion: clear chip, to the key chip, to the SB chip ( in that order ) after doing this I setup printer and etc. and it works great!!! No more coin-in jam error!!!!

Experience makes the difference and Buzz has it!!  :131-

Thanks to all for the suggestions on fixing my problem!!! :244-

Richard