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Can someone tell me what kind of comparitor I need to work in a S+? I have several, but they do not seem to work, the coin goes in and drops to the hopper, but does not register. I can press the test button on the coin optic and it does register.

Thanks,

David

Here is the run down on coin comparitors.

CC-62 12VDC (common to Bally & Aristocrat)
CC-62 Wide Body 12VDC (common to Bally)
CC-62 12VDC (special for Military)
CC-33/CC-37 24VAC (old version-common to IGT)
CC-33 12VDC No Inhibit
CC-16 Multi-Voltage (early version as PEM-46)
CC-16 Multi-Voltage No Inhibit (early Bally)
CC-40 24VDC (early Bally - as a PEM-48)
CC-40 12VDC (Special - R29 = 1MEG)
CC-16-D 12VDC Inhibit (common to Sigma)
CC-16 12VDC No Inhibit (Atronic/VLC/Aristocrat)
CC-16-D 24VAC No Inhibit (common to IGT)
CC-40 AC/DC No Inhibit (common to CDS)
CC-40 12VDC No Inhibit (common to SEGA)
CC-40 AC/DC Extended Credit Pulse - 48ms
CC-40 12VDC No Inhibit
CC-40 AC/DC No Inhibit (13 Second Tilt Pulse)
CC-40 12VDC Inhibit (650mS Tilt Pulse)
CC-40 AC/DC Inhibit
CC-40 12VDC Inhibit
CC-16-D 24VDC No Inhibit (common to Bally)
CC-16 12VDC Inhibit (common to Sigma & WMS)
CC-40 AC/DC No Inhibit (48mS Credit/13 Second Tilt
CC-40A 12VDC Inhibit High Extended Credit Pulse
CC-16 13VDC Inhibit (common to IGT)
CC-33 AC/DC No Inhibit 12mS Sense Pulse
CC-32/CC-36 13VDC Inhibit (common to IGT)
CC-40 12VDC Inhibit (11.5mS Credit/700mS Tilt)
CC-62 12VDC (special for U.S. penny)
CC-16 12VDC Inhibit (special for U.S. penny)
CC-40 Wide Body 12VDC Inhibit (700mS Tilt)
CC-33/CC-37 24VAC (common to IGT)
CC-40 Wide Body 12VDC No Inhibit (13 Second Tilt P
CC-37 24VAC Enhanced for poor quality bi-metal coi
CC-40 AC/DC No Inhibit Extended Credit Pulse
CC-40 12VDC Inhibit (1.5 Second Credit Pulse)
CC-40A AC/DC Inhibit Hi Gain 2

The S+ uses the 24VAC 16CCD CC's with the two gray wires going to the rake solenoid.
The ones with green wires are usually 13VDC - totally different voltages...  !!!
The "test" button on the coin-in optic boards is called a "Service Coin" button according to IGT.
Pressing the Service Coin button and putting credits on the display while the door is open is NOT the same
as dropping coins through the optics - all you are doing is checking to see if the boards are working
but it does not check to see if the coins are being registered through the optics themselves to send credit signals back to the MPU.

What size encoder is sandwiched between the coin-in optic boards?
If you have a large token encoder, a nickel or quarter will register only intermittently.
Also, adjust/check the coin sensitivity dial on the CC.
Simple rule-of-thumb adjustment is to turn the dial fully counter-clockwise
and then turn it clockwise 1/4 turn.

You can also do coin tests in the menus for the coin comparator or the coin-in optics.
These questions have been posted on NLG several times.
Just try a search for them.

Oh trust me, I searched and just got more confused from the many posts and still no definate answer, I will check the encoder next and then guess I will do the coin tests in the menu. Can you explain how the coin test works please?

Thanks

according to your first post:  the CC-16 is doing what it is going to do, its whole function in that machine is to accept metal objects that are identical to the sample metal you have placed in the sample .

In your case you have put a coin in as a sample, it is accepting the coin and directing it to the hopper. its just not registering the coin as it goes through the optics.

the switch you are pressing is actually using the "B" optic circuit to establish a credit.

go to the inputs test  10_1 in the winner paid window,remove the cc-16, fashion a stick the size of a Popsicle stick, place it in between the area where the coin would go, move it side to side, you should  see the 1 change to a zero, do the same for 11_1,  on 11-1 you can also test the white button, It should also change the 1 to a zero, lastly 12-1, if all these respond then the optics are good. my guess is that the 10-1 will not change,if that is the case, clip the transistor and it should work.

Hope this clears up any confusion.

Jim 

Open the door and pull out the coin comparator.
Press the Test button ( uh...the real little white "Test" button... :72- )
until you see a [1] in the Coins Played window and a [10-1] in the Winner Paid window on the reel glass display panel.

This is "Input Tests <1>" page 1. and the Coin in A test. Skip that one...they never usually work anyways.
Press the change button once to show a [11-1] in the Winner Paid window.
While watching the [11-1] on the display, wiggle a popsicle stick back and forth down through the optics.
You will see the [11-1] switch back and forth to [11-0].
If this happens, then the middle optics are "reading" the stick.

Now, press the change button on the deck one more time and you will see [12-1] in the Winner Paid window.
This is the optic test for the "C" optics.
Again, watch the display as you wiggle the popsicle stick down there.
See if the [1] changes to a zero as you wiggle.
If it changes, your optics should read coins as they pass through the encoder.

If you have the wrong encoder, your coins are missing one of the optic beams - hereby not "reading" or sensing the coin passing through there or sending a signal back to the MPU to register a credit.

JIM has his quick six-guns out today!   :97-

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don't you mean "6 ears" and 3 guns  :208- :208- :208-

so there are 16 different CC-40 comparitors, how do I determine which one that I have and if they are useable for any of my S+, S2000 or Bally 6000 games? I also have one labled CC-16D, 4B, is this one usable for any of the 3 mentioned games?

Thanks,

David

I'm gonna give you a real short list of the machines you seem to be working with.

CC 16 24 V    ( GRAY wires )      fits a Bally 5500, Bally 6000, and a IGT S+
CC 16 13 V     ( GREEN wires)     fits a IGT S 2000

If you use anything else in the above listed machines, there is going to be a 99% chance they will not work.

CC-16D, 4B Is a incomplete number  I can only guess as to what it is. Look at the wires going to the rake if they are Green try it in a S 2000, gray any of the other 3 machines.  Put a green wire one in a S+ or a Bally and you might see smoke.

Well, I have 8 of the cc-40 mechs, all with the grey wires going to the rake, but none of them will accept and register a coin in any of my S+ machines or Bally 6000 machines. as far as the other coin comparitor, I have a cmi # of 66160047 and the model # is CC-16D, 4B (it has a green led if that helps)

David  NO where did I say use a comparator with gray wires. what I said was a CC 16 D 24 V will HAVE GRAY wires.  If it makes you happy just keep on sticking those CC 40 in your machines, they aren't gonna work but go ahead.

I was not SAYING that at all, good grief, just trying to get some info as to if i can use these for any of my machines. If they can't (AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY CAN'T) possibly there is another member here who may have some use for them is a machine that DOES work with them. I am sorry if i am not as knowlageable about these machines as others but that's what i thought this forum was for, not for humiliation!

Moderator, please close this post.

Thanks

Nobody's making fun of you man...
if anybody does - I'll virtual kick their butt... :200-
I was wondering...what ARE the CC 40's for anyways?  :103-

that is what I was trying to find out, I aquired these from another operator & I was hoping that they would work in one of my machines but I don't think they will. I will trade all 8 of them for 4 that will work in a S+ or a Bally 6000 machine, if another member here could use them.

thanks,

David

Though they don't say what machines they're for...this link to Happs will give you excellent info on coin mechs...>>>

http://na.suzohapp.com/gaming/coin_comp/accessories.htm (http://na.suzohapp.com/gaming/coin_comp/accessories.htm)

i found that link earlier, but it is vague as far as what machine I can use it on.

Dino' s list is the best though...!  :89-

the cc-40  cannot be used in an IGT or Bally  machine.  it has  a set of optical sensors, as well as the sample coin circuits..it will also produce a credit pulse that the host machine could use to establish credit.

however, I think you should be able to use them.  when I test these units out of the machine, I just apply 24vac to the yellow and black wires, no other wires connected to the unit, and the cc will do what it is supposed too do, accept coins as compared to the sample coin.

so if you just hook up the yellow and black wires ( remove the red loop, and purple wire) now the unit will accept coins. you will probably have to cut Q-2 or Q-4  off the optics ,( if not you may get a 21 code) and I'll bet the machine will operate just fine and no one will be the wiser.

Hope this helps

Jim  

Thanks so much, sounds like a plan. On what you said, hook up the yellow and black wires, remove the red loop and purple wire and cut Q2 and Q4, can you be more specific? Sorry for my lack of knowlage, i'm sure it is a simple procedure, but I am still learning.

Thanks again for all of your help guys.

David

Jim,
Do you know what platform or machine models the CC-40 's were made for?

Thanks!

the harness that normally goes to the cc-16  has the black and yellow wires right where they belong,  use a pointed tiny probe, use it to push in the stop that prevents the pin from coming out of the connector. then remove the red loop and the purple wire.  that's all that has to be done to the harness.

Q-2 OR Q-4,  this is located on the coin optic board,  on some model its Q-2 on later models its Q-4,  same transistor, just a different label  . its a SMD , surface mounted device,  just pop it off, doesn't require much.

let me know how it works out.  its worth a shot to get it to work.

Jim

Bunker,    the brochure that I have on the unit states:  the cc-40 is ideal for use in VLT applications where high discrimination against stringing is a necessity.  the cc-40 is supplied with high security optics as standard equipment, providing a higher level of security against frauding.


Jim

Thanks Jim,
That's the same thing Suzo-Happs says on their website.
If anyone is wondering what "VLT" stands for  - it means "Video Lottery Terminals"
Kinda like the ones you see at horse racetrack parlours.

With a simple modification, cc-40's are great to use on Sigma SG150 or Sg300...They use high end security optics which sigmas also use...If anyone need the mod. I can supply you with it...
Jimmy

Correction...I use MC-40's  :200-

This may also help if anyone really cares...
Slot Machine Mfr. / Coin Mechanisms’ Comparitor Part Number Cross Reference Chart
- IGT
CC-16 13volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ IGT p/n 57018491 CMI p/n 66160177
CC-16 13volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 IGT p/n 57021191 CMI p/n 66160179
CC-16 13volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. .50¢ IGT p/n 57018791 CMI p/n 66160181
CC-16 24volt No Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ IGT p/n 57018991 CMI p/n 66160186
CC-16 24volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. .50¢ IGT p/n 57018891 CMI p/n 66160185
CC-32 13volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 IGT p/n 57026791 CMI p/n 66320004
CC-33 24volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 IGT p/n 57026891 CMI p/n 66330035
CC-36 13volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + IGT p/n 57027290 CMI p/n 66360004
CC-37 24volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + IGT p/n 57026990 CMI p/n 66370011
- ARISTOCRAT TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
CC-62 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .25¢ Aristocrat p/n L00020 CMI p/n 66620010
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Aristocrat p/n L30500 CMI p/n 66460011
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Aristocrat p/n 07-40273 CMI p/n 66460280
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 4gram U.S. .25¢ Aristocrat p/n 07-40274 CMI p/n 66460281
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. $1 Aristocrat p/n 07-40275 CMI p/n 66460282
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 12gram U.S. .50¢ Aristocrat p/n 07-40276 CMI p/n 66460283
- ATRONIC AMERICA
CC-16 12volt No Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ Atronic p/n 65010443 CMI p/n 66160059
CC-16 12volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Atronic p/n 65010444 CMI p/n 66160115
CC-16 12volt No Inhibit 12gram Australian $1 Atronic p/n 65006153 CMI p/n 66160130
- SIGMA GAME, INC.
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ Sigma p/n 590009 CMI p/n 66160044
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Sigma p/n 590018 CMI p/n 66160117
CC-16WB 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Sigma p/n 590012 CMI p/n 66160134
MC-16 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Sigma p/n 150029 CMI p/n 66460076
MC-16 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Sigma p/n 150030 CMI p/n 66460078
MC-16 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Sigma p/n 150031 CMI p/n 66460080
MC-16WB 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Sigma p/n CMI p/n 66460084
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Sigma p/n 150036 CMI p/n 66460088
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Sigma p/n 150037 CMI p/n 66460090
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Sigma p/n 150038 CMI p/n 66460092
MC-40WB 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Sigma p/n 150057 CMI p/n 66460189
- BALLY GAMING, INC.
CC-16 24volt No Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢/.25¢ Bally p/n E-887-0201 CMI p/n 66160047
CC-16WB 24volt No Inh 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Bally p/n E-887-0202 CMI p/n 66160055
CC-16 24volt No Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Bally p/n E-887-0203 CMI p/n 66160056
CC-62 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .25¢ Bally p/n AS-5001-0100 CMI p/n 66620003
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Bally p/n E-887-4601 CMI p/n 66460011
MC-62 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Bally p/n E-887-4606 CMI p/n 66460065
MC-16OE 24volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ Bally p/n E-887-6002 CMI p/n 66460152
MC-16OE 24volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ Bally p/n E-887-6004 CMI p/n 66460069
MC-16OE 24volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 Bally p/n E-887-6005 CMI p/n 66460154
MC-16OE WB 24volt Inh 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + Bally p/n E-887-6006 CMI p/n 66460155
- WMS GAMING, INC.
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ WMS p/n 09-42000-1 CMI p/n 66160120
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 WMS p/n 09-42000-2 CMI p/n 66160116
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .25¢ WMS p/n 09-42000-3 CMI p/n 66160118
CC-16 12volt Inhibit 6gram U.S. .50¢ WMS p/n 09-42000-6 CMI p/n 66160142
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 2.6gram U.S. .05¢ WMS p/n 09-006832-01 CMI p/n 66460200
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $1 WMS p/n 09-006832-02 CMI p/n 66460202
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 4gram U.S. .25¢ WMS p/n 09-006832-06 CMI p/n 66460201
MC-40 12volt Inhibit 12gram U.S. .50¢ WMS p/n 09-006832-11 CMI p/n 66460206
MC-40WB 12volt Inhibit 14gram U.S. Casino $5 + WMS p/n 09-006832-13 CMI p/n 66460209

unfortunately, that procedure did not work, I will be getting a few of the correct comparitors from a fellow member, thanks for the help on this though.

David