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Title: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 01, 2009, 02:54:42 AM My wife hates her 1 year old Dell Computer running Vista.
Her computer's CPU is always overworked,bogged down and slow... We have to continously clean it out despite her computer having a larger HD, more RAM memory,etc. than my 9 year old homemade computer that runs XP. My line of thinking is that Vista is still a fairly new operating system. It hasn't worked out all the bugs yet. My homebuilt with XP has 8-9 YEARS worth of MS updates and runs quick and slices through webpages like a hotknife. I have never used any anti-spyware, norton, mcafee or any other program to protect my computer other than XP's built in firewall, disk clean up tool, Mozilla Firefox browser and Lavasoft's Adaware from PC world. My computer is stable as hell. This is the question, would it be better (for the next few years until MS gets all the bugs out) to run XP on her computer w/all 9 years of MS updates, Service Packs and Mozilla Firefox? Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: Foster on February 01, 2009, 05:43:47 AM You can try but be aware that maybe XP drivers may not exist for some of her hardware.
If her CPU can handle it maybe a 64 bit version of Vista might help some. Also FWIW microsoft already has Windows 7 in Beta, It may or may not still be available for D/L I am running Windows 7 and Mac OS X on a HP slimline PC. I was running Windows Vista Home Premium 64 bit. Been very happy with it. Other than not letting DOS programs direct Access to Hardware. Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jdkmunch on February 01, 2009, 12:42:34 PM Vista is an absolute pig - Foster is right go to dell's support site and put in the service tag and see if all the drivers are there for XP - if so then no issues at all. I would think that they would be.
Windows 7 is slated to come out later this year and it is much improved over Vista. Microsoft took out all of the bloat from Vista so it runs much faster and with a much improved window interface. But if you can run XP do it now! - I have it on the 1500 machines I'm responsible for - from new to very old and it works perfetlly. Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: StatFreak on February 01, 2009, 02:56:49 PM Is MicroCrap still selling XP or are we talking copies? If so, did the community find a way around the required activation?
It's not that I mind paying, but I thought MS stopped selling XP altogether. Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jdkmunch on February 01, 2009, 03:13:31 PM sorry I don't deal with that activation crap. We use the vlk volume license keys.
Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: rickhunter on February 02, 2009, 06:22:37 PM If the machine has Windows Vista Ultimate or Vista Business, you are license rights to downgrade to XP Professional for a "nominal Fee". Call Dell, I think they will charge you $45 for the media to use Windows XP if you have either version of Vista listed.
If not, you can buy an OEM Windows XP Home license for around $90 plus the cost of some "hardware" (A prerequisite for buying the OEM version, typically you can just buy a cheap mouse and you qualify). As previously posted, Windows 7 is in beta, so if you can hang on a bit longer, you may go to that. The general word is that this version appears to be what windows Vista should have been. MS says release date Jan 2010, though there's a lot of speculation that it will be out before then. Meanwhile you can still download the beta version for free. The beta license expires on August 1st 2009, so you get to use it for 6 months or so for free. After that you will either need to install a previous version of windows, or hope that the next beta is out and you can extend it beyond then. Here's the link to the public beta download. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx) Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 02, 2009, 07:24:25 PM Thanks a lot Rick Hunter,
I think we will try that Windows 7 for now and see how it goes on her computer. We are also thinking of using the Mozilla browser as it works really well (quick) on mine... kudos+ to everyone who has helped us! Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jdkmunch on February 02, 2009, 08:07:21 PM Let me know your opinion - I think you will like 7
Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: dpalmi on February 02, 2009, 09:33:49 PM MS says release date Jan 2010, though there's a lot of speculation that it will be out before then. Hello! I have been in the IT industry a long time and Microsoft never gets a product out when the say they will. So I would expect it to be after Jan 2010. That's one reason Vista sucked so bad - everything they said they were gonna do at first got yanked out because they ran out of time. Dan #2 Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jdkmunch on February 02, 2009, 09:47:31 PM I think that vista's reputation is so badly damaged that MS will push 7 out sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: StatFreak on February 02, 2009, 10:21:54 PM The people who would really know are MS employees. The best source of info for those not in the Seattle area would be MS Consultants working for large private companies, or the employees of the IT departments of those companies. For that matter, those same companies would be the first to get beta versions AND full release versions of anything MS puts out. When I worked for Warner Bros, we had the final release of Windows 2000 server two or three months before it was officially released to the public, and we knew everything that was going on with development for more than a year preceding.
Does anyone on the site have such a contact? :103- Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jdkmunch on February 02, 2009, 10:39:16 PM My company received all releases months earlier too. 2000 XP and Vista were all received months before. Not that much is being said about 7 except this will be the only beta. No release candidates either. We will see....
I'll ask my friend who is head of IT at Mt. Sinai. Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: StatFreak on February 02, 2009, 11:58:09 PM ...this will be the only beta. No release candidates either. ... Sounds like they're pushing hard because of Vista's failure. Why do I have the feeling that I would be better off waiting for all the I'll probably wait until it's been out for a few months and read all the bug reports, complaints, and compliments (hopefully). Thanks for the scoop. :71- Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: Foster on February 03, 2009, 05:44:31 AM My only complaint is not with Windows 7 it is with another software vendor.
I used their software to get access to my Mac OS X partition in Windows, and It refused to let me set the windows partition active so I could install windows 7 on it. I had my Mac OS X active so the boot loader used for Mac OS X would load. I can pick any partition to boot from: Windows 7, Mac OS X, Factory Recovery. I had to uninstall their software to do so, and they don't have a version out that works with windows 7 out yet. Their current Version refuses to install. Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: edski on February 03, 2009, 06:06:15 AM Install Windows 7 on a separate hard drive.
That's what I had to do, because it will not install over XP, only Vista. I wanted to try all my applications on Win7, but since I found it came with "Media Center", I'm more interested in in trying that on the "Big Screen", to see what it can do. IF I can find some time! The last couple months have been Work, Sleep, Work, Sleep, Work, Crash, Burn, Work. Time to make the Doughnuts. I MADE the Doughnuts! Ed Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: edski on February 03, 2009, 06:18:23 AM If anyone wants to try Windows 7 Beta, the Download and Software Keys are still available.
Be a Beta Tester! See what kind of junk MS has to offer before they make you pay for it!! :72- :72- :97- :99- Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jay on February 04, 2009, 12:22:18 AM For $500/year you can join the developer program. This gets you every release of every software package.
Each month you receive between 10 and 20 disks. You also get tech support on all the products. When you figure one "incident" call is between $200-$500 you can get support on any product for free. Not a bad value when you consider MS Office Pro is around $400.00. Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jdkmunch on February 04, 2009, 12:26:14 AM Yep MSDN is well worth the money.
Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: StatFreak on February 04, 2009, 12:39:56 AM Yep MSDN is well worth the money. I though MSDN was more expensive. Is that the basic subscription price? Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jay on February 04, 2009, 02:35:53 AM Perhaps, Its been a few years since I last participated. I think the cost also varies on the size of your organization.
Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: StatFreak on February 04, 2009, 03:02:26 AM It's $600 if all you want is the OS.
For $2500 you can have VS pro and MSDN premium, which is close to what I was expecting. But remember, it's only for one year. Here is the price list: MSDN Premium MSDN Premium Subscriptions include the named Visual Studio product, Expression Web and Blend, Operating Systems, SQL Server, Servers, Office, Dynamics, MSDN Library, Managed Newsgroups, Online Concierge, 4 technical support incidents, and more. Visual Studio Team System 2008 Team Suite with MSDN Premium $10,939 Visual Studio Team System 2008 Development Edition with MSDN Premium $5,469 Visual Studio Team System 2008 Architecture Edition with MSDN Premium $5,469 Visual Studio Team System 2008 Test Edition with MSDN Premium $5,469 Visual Studio Team System 2008 Database Edition with MSDN Premium $5,469 Visual Studio Professional with MSDN Premium $2,499 MSDN Professional MSDN Professional Subscriptions include Visual Studio Professional, Visual SourceSafe, Operating Systems, SQL Server, MSDN Library, Managed Newsgroups, Online Concierge, 2 technical support incidents, and more. Visual Studio Professional with MSDN Professional $1,199 MSDN Operating Systems MSDN Operating Systems include Operating Systems, MSDN Library, Managed Newsgroups, Online Concierge, 2 technical support incidents, and more. MSDN Operating Systems $699 Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: brichter on February 04, 2009, 03:36:51 AM For my job as devtest, we get Technet subscriptions, which also works out well for IT guys:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/ms788692.aspx (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/ms788692.aspx) We don't pay near that price ($349/yr, $249 for 1 year renewals), but it's still a pretty good deal if you're just looking for run-of-the-mill softwware and licenses. Here's the list of what's available: Applications (45) Access 2003 Access 2007 Accounting Business Contact Manager Business ScoreCard Manager Front Page Groove 2007 Hyper-V Server 2008 Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 InfoPath 2003 InfoPath 2007 Interconnect 2004 Interconnect 2007 Internet Explorer 6.0 Office 2003 Office 2007 Office Communicator 2005 Office Communicator 2007 Office Communicator Web Access Office Servers 2007 Office XP OneNote 2003 OneNote 2007 Outlook 2003 Outlook 2007 PerformancePoint Server Project 2002 Project 2003 Project 2003 Server Project 2007 Project Portfolio Server 2006 Project Portfolio Server 2007 Publisher 2003 Publisher 2007 SharePoint Designer 2007 Small Business Accounting(App) Virtual PC 2004 Virtual PC 2007 Virtual PC for Mac 6.1 Virtual PC for Mac 7.0 Virtual Server 2005 Virtual Server 2005 R2 Visio 2002 Visio 2003 Visio 2007 Business Solutions (24) Dynamics AX 2009 Dynamics AX 4.0 Dynamics Axapta 3.0 Dynamics CRM 1.0 Dynamics CRM 1.2 Dynamics CRM 3.0 Dynamics CRM 4.0 Dynamics GP 10.0 Dynamics GP 7.5 Dynamics GP 8.0 Dynamics GP 9.0 Dynamics NAV 4.0 Dynamics NAV 5.0 Point of Sale 1.0 Small Business Accounting Small Business Manager Financials 7.5 Small Business Manager Financials 8.0 Small Business Manager Financials 9.0 Small Business Manager FRx (SBM) Solomon 5.5 Solomon 6.0 Solomon 6.5 Solomon 7.0 Solomon FRx Operating Systems (26) Compute Cluster Pack MS-DOS Small Business Server 2003 Small Business Server 2003 R2 Windows 3.1 (16-bit) Windows 3.11 (16-bit) Windows 3.2 (16-bit) Windows 7 Windows Advanced Server Windows CE DirectX Kit Windows CE Toolkit Visual C++ 6.0 Windows Essential Business Server 2008 Windows Internet Explorer 7 Windows Internet Explorer 8 Windows Server 2003 Windows Server 2003 R2 Windows Server 2008 Windows Server 2008 R2 Windows Services for UNIX 1.0 Windows Services for UNIX 2.0 Windows Services for UNIX 3.0 Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 Windows Small Business Server 2008 Windows Vista Windows XP Workgroups 3.11 (16-bit) Servers (56) Antigen Application Virtualization for Terminal Services BizTalk Server 2002 BizTalk Server 2004 BizTalk Server 2006 BizTalk Server 2006 R2 BizTalk Server Accelerators and Adapters Commerce Server 2002 Commerce Server 2007 Connected Services Framework Content Management Server Customer Care Framework 2005 Customer Care Framework 2008 Customer Care Framework 2009 Desktop Optimization Pack Exchange Server 2003 Exchange Server 2007 Forefront Client Security Forefront Client Security Beta Forefront Security for Exchange Server Forefront Security for SharePoint Forefront Server Security Management Console Forms Server Groove Server Host Integration Server 2000 Host Integration Server 2004 Host Integration Server 2006 Identity Integration Server 2003 Identity Lifecycle Manager 2007 ISA Server 2004 ISA Server 2006 Live Communications Server 2003 Live Communications Server 2005 Office Communications Server 2007 Operations Manager 2000 Operations Manager 2005 Project Server Search Server 2008 SharePoint Server 2001 SharePoint Server 2003 SharePoint Server 2007 SharePoint Server 2007 Search Speech Server 2004 SQL Server 2000 SQL Server 2005 SQL Server 2008 System Center Capacity Planner System Center Configuration Manager System Center Data Protection Manager System Center Essentials 2007 System Center Mobile Device Manager System Center Operations Manager System Center Reporting Manager 2006 System Center Virtual Machine Manager Systems Management Server 2003 Systems Management Server 2003 R2 TechNet Technical Library (1) TechNet Technical Library TechNet Technical Training (4) Technet Briefings TechNet Webcasts Windows Server 2008 Training Windows Vista Training Tools and Resources (29) .NET Compact Framework 1.0 .NET Compact Framework 2.0 .NET Framework 1.0 .NET Framework 1.1 .NET Framework Redistributable 1.0 .NET Framework Redistributable 2.0 .NET Framework Redistributable 3.0 Application Compatibility Baseline Security Analyzer 2.0.1 Bookshelf Symbol 7 CRC 3.05 Data Analyzer 2002 IIS ILMerge Internet Security and Acceleration Log Parser MSXML 4.0 Office Resource Kit Services for Netware Solver Foundation SQL Server Migration Assistant SQL Server Tool (SQLH2) Translation Glossaries Windows Hardware Compatibility Windows Installer Windows Server Update Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor 1.0 WinFS XML Parser 3.0 Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jay on February 04, 2009, 04:19:59 AM Bill - This is the one that I was thinking of....$349 usd ~was aprox~ $500 Canadian if you included taxes.
Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: brichter on February 04, 2009, 05:09:48 AM Yep, it's the best way to go if you don't need all the developer kits.
Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: jdkmunch on February 04, 2009, 10:29:07 AM You can get personal - then you get 12 or 15 activations per product.
Title: Re: XP on a Vista computer? Post by: Joeylc on February 05, 2009, 02:30:08 PM (http://www.stillebacher.at/wp-content/uploads/image/tux_machine_gun.JPG)
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