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I know you all told me to S.C. my DBV 145 but, thanks to a great member here, I got a replacement DBV 145, DBV 200 and a transport for a deal (Thanks Eric!). I really want my IGT S plus Double Diamond Deluxe 5 cent machine to take DOLLARS and that would be fine. The problem is that the BV takes the money in for a second or so, then spits it out. I've checked MPU settings, DIP settings, etc... The BV is enabled. When the replacement came in, I swapped out the head and got the same thing. Then I swapped out the transport and got the same thing. I've swapped out the cash can with a known working one. Everything seems like it's on and enabled. I cleaned the hell out of my original BV and transport. Everything looks clean. The replacement looks clean.
Am I missing something obvious? :103-
I do have the DBV 200 and the power supply (Thanks to Mark for the PS and other parts). I could just stick that in and see what happens but it just BOTHERS me that I can't get the 145 to work.
If I do, are there any other settings to change for the 145 to 200 swap, other than the power supply?
Am I being a jackass? I really want the 200 for another machine and the 145 for my nickel machine.  :37-

at this point, I would just get the machine working FIRST. meaning accepting bills. swapping out the 145 to the 200 is easy, change the head on the transport, all plugs are the same,  hang the new power supply along side the old one and connect the wires.  you should be able to test. 

normally when the unit accepts a bill, holds it for a few seconds and returns it, indicates that the IDO is not right(sometimes the insert coin lamp will blink as an indicator to the wrong IDO) ,.

so swap to the 200  get the machine to work first then go back and try the 145 heads, (you will not have to change back to the original power supply to do this.

here are the settings for the 145.  http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=18286.msg152396;topicseen

hope this helps

Jim     

I don't recall if we checked this before, but check your credit limits. If for some reason they are set to 0 or lower then the number of credits a dollar is set to give,  the BV would take the bill just long enough to see that it would put you over the limit and then reject it. But as Jim said, most likely a IDO issue.

Another advantage to the 200 head is that it has more self test options that let you check for bill acceptance without needing to communicate with the machine.

I checked the credit limit and it was set at 9999. I checked my wiring at both ends. So...I put in the DBV200 head. To my surprise I already had the vented PS in there! So now I have an extra....thanks again Mark...I will need it for my Money Storm anyway, when I replace that DBV145 eventually.
I installed the new head and the same thing happens: bill in, sits there for a second and spits out.
Do I have to "re-enable" the BV? The DIP settings were all OFF...did I goof up there?

Flip DIP swith #10 on and try again. You have to power cycle it when you do.

Bill goes in, bill comes out.
Should I try my replacement transport just for the heck of it? It all sounds "good" like nothing is jamming but I'm still not the experienced.

Do you have a clear chip? Someone once said that they had the same problem, and that is what it took to get it working. At this point you have nothing to lose if you already have a clear chip.  Or try the other power supply just for the heck of it.

I do have the clear chip...completely forgot the procedure. It was written out on another thread...I've been printing all this stuff and that's one I didn't do yet! I may try the PS first.

Just stick it in like a set chip and press the test button. The display should count up a couple of times. Put the game chip back in and clear any errors. Then put the set chip in to re-enable the BV and set the denomination. May still have to try it with DIP switch both on and off.

I swapped out the PS and no change...didn't work at first, but then I ran a jumper from ground to one of the screws on the "hanging" power supply and it come on.
I'll try the clear set thing although this may take some time...I've only done that once after I replaced the battery on the MPU but never used a clear chip.
I think I can do this. With the clear chip, will it just count up and stop? When do I know to remove it and put in the set chip? I'm sorry if these are repeat question.

It will just count up like twice and stop. It will be pretty clear (no pun intened) when it's done. It only takes like 15 seconds or so.

But after the clear, put the game chip back in first and clear the errors. THEN put the set chip in. Until you put the game chip in, the EEPROM and CMOS won't have any data yet.

Sorry had to step out...
After the clear, and putting the game chip back in, how do I clear those errors?

You can test the DBV-200 in stand alone mode to see if it's the validator. Just turn on the number 6 Dip switch on the second set of switches (6 pack) then apply power and then turn Dip 6 off. The BV should cycle and accept bills without the stacker. If you  want to test with the stacker, turn on number 1 on the same Dip switch pack and leave it on when you turn number 6 off. That will test the BV with the stacker.

http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/ (http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/)

Since this is the third head (and second transport) doing the exact same thing, I would bet that it will probably pass that test and there is something else going on. 

Haven't done anything yet but wanted to give more information that may be important, that I forgot!  :25-
Back when I bought this a few weeks ago, the MPU battery was dead. I replaced it but never did a ram clear. I just put in the set chip and checked to see if the BV was enabled, which it was. Then I put the game chip back in and did the settings adjustments (hopper limit, credit limit, etc). The DBV had not cycled before but, at this point, it powered up and cycled but did what it's doing now...bill in, whirr for one second, bill out.
Should I have done the ram clear after I changed the battery?
I was about to do that now but thought I'd post this first. The DBV 200 is still in.

Do you mean just hold it outside the cabinet? I've never worked with BV's before until now.

There are two tests that you can do with the BV head. One tests without the stacker and one with it. If you are going to run the test, might as well run the one with the stacker. For that one, you start with DIP switch #1 & #6 on (on the smaller bank of DIP switches) when you power up. After you power up, you flip the switches off and put the head back on and you can then insert bills and it should take them all the way into the cash box.

Note: you must have power applied through this process. In other words you can't power up the machine with the switches on and unplug the head to turn them off, you need to just tilt the head up enough so you can flip the switches off while it's still plugged in. If you power down, you have to start over.

As for the clear chip after the battery change, you should not have to run it. But sometimes people get stuck in 61 loop, so then there is no choice. Since it seems we have tried everything else, it won't hurt to run it now. It just means you will have to set anything you have customized from the defaults back again (i.e. hopper limits etc) besides having to use the set chip again to re-enable the BV and set the denomination.

And  :172-

Okay I grew some bal*s and did a ram clear, set the denomination and enabled the BV. Put my game chip back in and got a WORKING BV! Now I'll configure the rest.  :3-
 - something else came back to life: the credit/cash option button. I wanted that to work before but couldn't enable it either. Works now.
Theoretically, can I just pop the 145 back in and it should work...right?
thanks !!!

Yes, as long as the 145 is working and is the right IDO.

Glad you got it working.  :3-

Popped in the 145 and it works fine now! And now I've got a spare 145 and transport and a 200 to put in my quarter Money Storm, or to put back in my DDD if I change it to quarters. I think, for now, I'll just work on installing the cool scrolling display.

 :105- Sometimes it just takes some BRASS ONES! :244- :72- :97-
 :259- for you sticking with it, and everyone else for helping!

CaptainHappy :95-

I second that, to all!  :259-

While you're all still here...a quick question.
A "soft" one dollar bill got stuck inside my transport. I fished it out, then, later,  another one (worn but not too bad) got stuck inside. I fished that one out. Then the BV kept alternating like it was ready, then not. It just sort of stuck in a "whirrrrrEEEEEEEwhirrrrrrrEEEEEEEEwhirrrrrrrEEEEEEEEE" cycle. The machine would still take nickels. I took the head/transport out and inspected it. Didn't see anything unusual. I put it back in and now it's back to working fine and I removed the more worn bills from the cash box.
I noticed that this transport makes more of a "sssssssssssszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" sound when it takes bills, while the transport on my other S plus does not. The other one also took ALL my worn bills, including the supersoft ones!
I have a spare transport, but is it difficult and/or recommended to replace the belts in the transport from time to time?
Of course, this unit was not used for a long time and I'm thinking that maybe just a piece of "bill crap" got stuck in a optic sensor!
Any thoughts?
Is there a manual for the transport? It doesn't look that difficult to disassemble.

One thing when you re insert the transport into the machine reach back on the left side and gently press the transport down.
Sometimes when you remove and re-install the transport will not drop down all the way in the back.
I would try to flip the lever down when removing and up once fully installed as well when I had a S+ with a DBV.
I also know that JCM or others may have recommended cleaning the belts and using something on them to make them last and work better but I cant remember what it is.

I made these videos to help troubleshoot the BV based on the sounds they make when powering up. But as noted above, you probably did not have the trasnport seated all the way, or the cash can in all the way.

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=14959 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=14959)

And the below pictures to show how to open the head and transport to clean the belts and rollers. I use a product called belt-ease
available at most automotive stores or Walmart to clean the belts. The stuff smells bad and you don't want to get it in your eyes. I spray some in the can's cap and then use a q-tip to clean the belts. It does a good job. Don't get it or alcohol on the head optics or it can cloud the plastic lens. But you can use alcohol to clean the plastic rollers. I have found that some transports are just noisier than others no matter how well you clean them. As far as lube, I use servo grease found at most hobby shops for the nylon gears. Just a little is needed otherwise it will just attract dirt. Probably not a big issue in a home environment.