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came with my machine not connected. can anyone verify these as progressive boards? they came in my mokohn KISS video slot. ty

They are Mikohn. I know that much. Should be to a progressive display, but don't know which one.  Let me know when you find out what they are.  I must have 200 of those square piggy back boards like the ones in your picture.
would love to know what progressive system that they go to.

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If i do find out for sure i will post it. Ty very much.

ok so in the picture above, the big board was already hooked into the wires to motherboard, so i took only available connector not plugged into anything and plugged it into that small board (connector is made for it) next to the plug that already in it. its a splitter board by the way. so from the small splitter board has the phone jack. now would the phone jack run the cable to the host port on the progressive screen?
is it safe to attempt it? thx

Ok i went and tried it. It didnt work. Went to call attendant, hard/soft tilt screen.
'progressive communication error'
I really would like to get it working so i can tie it in with my top box progressive screen.

theres only 4 places to hook into this display. ethernet port, another ethernet port labeled 'host' , another labeled 'extn' and a peripheral round port. i tried the host port and i had progressive set to sas in cabinet settings. it seems now thats not the right one. i thought maybe it stood for 'stand alone system' or something, but after researching, it seems thats for casinos only. ill try the other option witch is 'mikohn/PGI progressive" and try that with the host port again. there is also an option for 'mystery bonus" do i leave that disabled? anyone please? only error message i show when display is on is a 'C1'. i think i just need to hook it up and not worry about programming. the 2 boards pictured above is all that came with machine. am i missing something to make it work?
ive researched online pdfs for hours with no luck. ty

heres my display after it boots after showing version 5.01, it then changes from this picture to coins dropping and saying 'mystery frog bonus" and 'any coin can win' then reads C1 and repeats. underneath on the display it say 'nuerizon' but it seems they are a dead company too. no internet info and thier website is gone.

SAS means Slot Accounting System

So what port would u plug into display if u had to guess? It has a cable running out of ethernt and another running out of host when i got it.  Obviously i just want it to run the progressive on this machine only.

Sorry I am not familiar with Mikohn machines or that particular system from Mikohn.

I am just familiar with the Cham II+ (SA) and how to configure it and connect to the IGT S+ or S2000.

Let explain my understanding of progressive systems generically

Stand Alone(SA) - means the slot or game machine is the progressive computer/controller and the display is just an dedicated output device.

Linked - means the machine signals credit or coin in to a separate progressive controller.
     Some machines may expect the controller to regularly send the progressive back to the machine this depends on what progressive protocol is implemented by the machine
     There are a few linked protocols and they are regulated by at least one gaming board.

A progressive system is just a subset of what SAS can do, SAS handles every thing from machine security events (Door status, tilts, BV errors), Accounting, Stats, Voucher/Ticket printing and redemption, AFT, EFT, and more. it requires at least one SAS Host system.

Although I added Mikohn progressives to my PE+, I haven't seen these types of boards.  Based on the type of output, I suspect the unknown board is a type of Gateway and the Splitter would be hooked to a Controller.  That would make the most sense.  A controller would go to a Splitter, but would most likely not be inside your machine.  Instead, a Gateway would be in the machine to translate the signal from the Splitter to a format that the machine can recognize.  As Foster indicated, if the machine supports a Stand Alone Progressive through the menus, then you could use that feature and not need the boards.  As for the Mystery Bonus, that's an additional progressive option, typically for random bonuses.

I think you're going to need a Controller to use those boards.   :25-

What kinds of options do you have through the menus?  Perhaps you can get your progressives working without the need for boards?

[edit] I just re-read and see that the ports coming out of the displays on the top are ethernet or host.  That tells me that you most likely cannot use the machine menus alone.  The displays need ethernet-based connections to a Controller.  You may be able to still activate a Stand Alone Progressive, but it wouldn't display on the displays up top (that would be no fun).

Thx to the both of u for helping. The cabinet menu actually has a progressive section. Im at work right now but my memory has it at option:
Progressive: enabled/ disabled
An option for type: mikohn/pgi or SAS
Then a couple more options regarding values of  0 to 9999 or something i didnt understand. When i get home ill post here.
I tried hooking everything up then going into top box but got hard/soft tilt of: 'progressive communication error' in sas progressive mode. Ill try mikohn type with nothing hooked up tonight. Thx gentlemen.

It appears that the progressive display that you have in your topbox is some sort of version evolved from Mikohn/PGI as those companies merged some time ago and continued producing progressive systems for different slot machine companies.

The ["C1"] error code generally means that there's some sort of "lack of communication"  but it's not specific as to where.
I wish I could help you more but I have zero documentation on the PGI display unit other than a much smaller, simpler stand-alone progressive PGI unit designed rather for the IGT S2000 platforms.

Normally, the telephone cables are for communication back to a "linked" progressive system.
However, it may be very well possible that your topbox unit needs it to connect
to the lower cabinet instead of being used as external linking cabling.

There's just not enough info on your machine platform here on NLG to confirm this -
you may need the help of someone that has working knowledge of your machine to come in and post some help.
I hope this post will attract some attention to your thread and machine.

Yes thank you very much. I was afraid of that. Thats a bummer but at least the game works! Im not gonna give up though. Maybe try and add a controller? What sucks is i cant find any info that pertains to my hardware. Ty!

You're boards are so similar to this ...

http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44&product_id=1711 (http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=44&product_id=1711)

Curious, underneath the piggyback board, is there an RS-232 style plug?  If yes, I would be so adventurous to connect to my PC using the "Other" option in PSP software and see if it will "load" any settings from the device.  You would need a modified RS-232 cable (search NGL and you'll easily find) and the PSP software (also on NLG).  But, that's me.   
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Keep in mind, I'm also the one who recently blew up my Game King!

Ty for link ,but it looks different I thought. i have removed the piggyback board and there are 2 connectors it plugged into.
Get this: On my motherboard tray, its written with a sharpie: 'western village' so i went and googled it and low an behold, it returned a WESTERN VILLAGE HOTEL AND CASINO, sparks NV!!
We need a progressive tech that worked there in 2005-2006!  :89-
Im pretty sure thats where it was in service, as i bought it off a gentleman just 1 hour from there. Help! :99-

Correction: western village INN & casino

Ok made a little progress. It looks like the bigger board is a logic board. The part number on my board is 321-033-00 and the one pictured in this manual is real close. A 321-035-00.
Ok so i have a splitter & the logic board.  :3-  And the logic board came already connected to the MB harness and it does power up when plugged in. Tim

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4971.0;attach=26448 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4971.0;attach=26448)

So i would need a main controller that would run to my display and the SMIB logic board. Besides maybe having to program it, am i missing anything else to get this working? Do u guys know what controller would be compatible? The display is called neurizon. Tim

Great news to come back and see your progress! :3-

According to the post below, you need a CON2. 

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=15989.msg136420#msg136420 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=15989.msg136420#msg136420)

Since Mikohn made both the CON2 and your machine, I would think any of the CON2 product lines (i, f, s) would be compatible?  CON2 Supercontrollers are much more expensive than CON1, so I would read about the CON2 thoroughly before choosing which CON2 to buy.  You can get a CON2 manual from RudysDeals.com for free.

For programming, I think you will need Mikohn's "Download for Windows".

I would also recommend the "Mikohn Techs Pocket Guide".

I'll send you these via PM.
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Can't wait to read how the story ends! :89-

Ty very much vegas dave! I was thinking a con2 also but i needed Your opinion 1st. Time to start shopping around for 1. I know ill have new challenges getting it programmed and working, by why stop now. :-)

Oh and ty for manuals and stuff. Will read up tonight. :-)

ok downloaded all the manuals. ty very much. i got a question for u dave or anyone else who can weigh in: my logic board is also called an SMIB board, on an another informative post in this forum ,i copied this over to here:

What is a SMIB??? Here you go:

The Mikohn SMIB is a logic board that allows the Mikohn CasinoLink system to
communicate with different types of slot machines. See page 5 for information about SMIB
interaction with CasinoLink.
Slot machines, produced by different manufacturers such as Aristocrat and IGT, often use
proprietary methods of communication (or protocols). The CasinoLink system has its own
proprietary protocol as well. One SMIB is installed in each machine that is linked to the
CasinoLink system, with cables connecting the machine and the system to the SMIB. As the
interface between the machine and the system, the SMIB receives data from both and
translates the information from the sender’s protocol to the recipient’s protocol, before
passing it on to the recipient.

Regards,

CH

so my question is for setting my machine up for a stand alone progressive, would this board not even be required?? thx, Tim

Hmmm ... :103- "CH" is Captain Happy, so perhaps he can shed some light on this.

My understanding is that a Stand Alone typically displays the progressive on the monitor screen as opposed to a meter.  At least that's how it works on the older machines (I'm not sure about newer machines).  So, I'm thinking the board is still needed to display to the meter on top.  The Splitter is probably not needed though.

What kind of menu options do you have for Stand Alone?  If you choose the Stand Alone option, what other options are available after that?  Given the cost of a CON2, it's definitely worth exhausting the stand alone options first.

:Dave

no doubt. well the progressive menu only gives option for mikohn/pgi or SAS. then below there is option to turn mystery on/off. nothing for stand alone, i might be stuck having to use a con2 ill send captian happy quick PM.

Ah I see, I know you wrote that in earlier posts, but I thought there might be something more there.  That means you don't have Stand Alone.  If you did, you would have options for things like ... Current Jackpot Amount, Jackpot Reset Amount, Increment, etc., if your machine supported Stand Alone. 

Instead, you will get a CON2 Controller and set all of the jackpot and increment settings using software and hook it up to the SMIB.  On older machines, you would set the machine menu to "Link Progressive", but in your case, you'll set it for "Mikohn/PGI".  Hopefully, the SMIB will recognize the CON2 (I'm a betting man and bet that it would) because a CON2 does talk to a Supreme, which is so similar to your SMIB.

Good luck!  Can't wait to hear the outcome and what you hear from CH. :88-

Sonds great but what about the fiber optic cables that run out of back of the display? 1 comes out of 'host' other comes out of 'ethernet'
Ive read everything and searched everywhere but cant figure it out.

Well I was no help in the PM... It has been so long since I played with Mikohn stuff that I can't remember S#$%! I vaugely remember doing some research trying to help someone in that quoted thread. :25- :5-

CH :95-

Np cap'n, thx anyway. Your other stuff was very helpful.

According to the Supreme manual (which at this point is the closest there is), these would go to J5/J6 (or J7) on the Logic board.  I see in your picture that there are two wires already in those slots.  Where do those lead to?

The splitter board (and I have a few) is only needed if you are trying to run to multiple display controllers.

Slot <---> Con2I -- Display out  ----> Splitter -----> ChamII ---> Display
                                                    Splitter -----> ChamII ---> Display
                                                    Splitter -----> ChamII ---> Display

I would drop the splitter out of your configuration as its not needed.
Slot <---> Con2I -- Display out  ----> ChamII ---> Display

The CON2I (please NOTE the I) - the I means IGT and you need the I version if your machine is an IGT
- lots of CON2's around but not many of the CON2I's
A Con2I will run you 600+ some I have seen sell for more than 1K

THe only reason you would need the CON2I is that you have a bank of slot machines and you wish to run a linked progressive.

An alternative to the CON2I would be a CHAMII+. The plus model is a single slot standalone controller.
The plus model can be put into NON-SA configuration if you later decide to buy numerous slots and link the progressives together.

Slot <---> ChamII+ ---> Display

What you have not shown us is the back of the display.  This will help the team identify what kind of display it is.

The most common display like yours is called a supreme.
A supreme uses two forms of input. THe first is a program called DOWNLOADER which allows you to download graphics into the display.
You connect your PC directly to the display for this.

The second is the CHAMII+ which provides the progressive information to the display.

The absence of the progressive information generates the C1 or C10 error.

His machine is a Mikohn if I remember right

ok gentlemen thank you very much for joining to help. i got detailed photos of display and SMIB board. as of right now minus splitter this is all that i have for the progressive so far. its all that came with machine. ill start with backside of display. this is every port on backside

sorry this posted twice :)

ADMIN NOTE... WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I ONLY SEE ONE ATTACHMENT! :128- :129- ;) ;) Now the truth... I edited your post for you and got rid of the second duplicate picture. :97- You can even do this yourself if you hit the modify button in your post, after that you can uncheck the box in front of the duplicate attachment. :89- CH :95-

bottom of display. its a fat enclosed display. not like others ive seen called 'meters'

This might help a bit.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030322010055/http://www.neurizon.net/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20030322010055/http://www.neurizon.net/)

Looks like it comes from Oz

I have never run across this before.

thx jay ill check it out. 1st heres my smib pics detailed. ty

another

j6 i think. wierd how it ends to a very tiny board.

connector plugged in to MB i think. came like this

sorry if its too many photos. last one. my display 'neurizon'.
this was in casino in 2006 im sure. cant find any documentation on it whatsoever.

holy crap jay!! wow. right after i said cant find any documentation. thx man! sorry, was photoing my pics before i looked.  :25-

Yikes!  Jay taught me everything I know, so if he doesn't know, I definitely don't know.  I so want to see if we could work through it and get it working.  I've seen these KISS machines out here in Vegas, but not in a while.  They're really cool.  I hope someone who knows about these finds this post.

In the meantime, I don't want to assume anything.  Pictures are great!    :89-  I'm wondering now though if that's a motherboard?

Typically, the motherboard is a very small board attached to the back wall of the machine.  There's not a lot going on the MB unlike PC's.  They're more like a backplane that holds the main microprocessing board.  The microprocessor board has all of the game and graphic chips attached to a removeable tray that pushes into the MB.  Since this hooks to a wire and I see another gray wire inside the machine, can you take a picture of the inside of the machine, particularly where the other end of that "MB" wire goes?  Maybe you have another box inside the machine that is the missing "controller"?  I'm stretching and probably overly optimistic, but just like a gambler, I'm always thinking ... maybe this next hand? :89-

I'm working on a sunday :( ill try and trace that connector better tonight. That was my assumption that it ran to mb, but your right i need to know for sure. All the input from everyone here is much appreciated. Ill be saving what jay typed for sure.  :3-

Oh sorry dave forgot to mention, that other grey wire is unused from end to end. I have no idea what the casino techs used it for. 1 end looks like the connector from my photo we were talking about, and the other end has like 5 small female slip on connectors. Ill send photo tonight. Its unused but Could be for progressive aswell?

ok heres the unused grey cable ends. the connectore are different then i described. they look like they might be for a progressive card. theres 4 not 5. im holding them all together to shows ID's.

heres the other end

and heres shots of the progressive setup in cabinet menu as discussed couple days ago if this helps.

1 more

ok last night i plugged in the card, splitter, and phone jack to ethernet cable into dispaly and i got this!
positive sign?
all i need is a controller possibly?
anyone seen this message box on a uv1700 progressive setup?

it wont let me play of course ,hence it says its locked out. but it looks like maybe i got the supreme/ logic card doing what it supposed too.
i still get C1 error though, as nothing is going iinto RS-485 host port.
when i unplug the logic card the lockout goes away and i can even leave the 'mikohn/PGI' progressive option on.

I hope you guys are still watching this post! :88-
Tim

Hey, did you ever get this working or get your CON2i?  I see someone posted a WTS at ...

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=18933.msg156851;topicseen#new (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=18933.msg156851;topicseen#new)

Thx vegas. Yes weve been discussing a deal but i need to be 100% sure it will work with my setup. Hes trying to hook me up with a tech that can confim it. Gotta be sure cause they not cheap. :-) thx vegas!!

This meassage is for vegas and anyone else who can help: my display only has dsl cable/ fiber optic cables coming from it. And my j5 connection from the smib card is a small red plug. (please see photos) now, studying the con2 versions, i see nothing on the controller for these connector types. There are however dsl type jacks on this different type of mikohn controller made in lima, peru. Heres the link to the manual:
http://www.mikohn.net/manuales/progressive_system.pdf (http://www.mikohn.net/manuales/progressive_system.pdf)
See pages 13 & 14 for pics
Is it likely the con2i is not the right controller? Help!

Hey, so sorry for the late reply!!!    :25- :30-  :52-

I was out of town and still catching up.  Even after making you wait, unfortunately, I don't have an answer either.  I'm just not familiar enough with that kind of setup.  But I'll throw in my two cents to keep this post alive.

First, I think you will have a very hard time finding this particular Mikohn progressive system from Lima, Peru.  Okay, I know, more bad news.   :7-

Second, often times, it's not a straight-through connection where both ends of the cable look the same.  You often times need a harness where the connector on each end is different to support the machine or controller that you're connecting to.  The CON2 manual describes various harnesses in the Appendices.  If you can't find the harness anywhere, you're probably going to have to make it.

Finally, the CON2if is specifically designed to include fiber optic connections (thus the "f" after the "i").  That might make the harness a little easier, but making a harness isn't all that bad (although if you read my post, you'll see I required Band-aids and lots of alcohol).
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I hope this helps and at the very least, moves the post back to the forefront for more experienced eyes.   :209-

Ty very much vegas. Your words will stay in stone here for future reference when / if i get more clues. I have faith in time we'll make some progress when someone sees this that knows. . Ive learned to be patient at this point. :) thx brother.

Hey Tim,  :88-  just wanted to let you & everyone else know that I heard from my guy that the slot tech he knows is looking at the sigma manual this weekend & will be in touch with you soon.  :204-

You- are- the- MAN!! Thank you, thank you! :244-