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Title: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 19, 2012, 08:44:55 PM
why cant this work.....there has to be a way without using coins.......the casinos have $1000 machines im sure they take 10 $100 bills......if you clear the machine and set it to $100 then go to denomination and set it to $500 under coin denom...... would it allow you to put 5 $100 bills in to play 1 credit???

other option can you set up a multi denom without a button or pad? and set it to $500 on all games would it work?   are my sg chips compatable to multi denom? already have a multi denom version chip in it.......

sb base 000512 SB100512 CH :95- EDIT TO PREVENT FUTURE CONFUSION.
sg1 000328
sg2 000328


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: Foster on May 19, 2012, 10:05:06 PM
Staz have you played a S2000 set for $500 per credit in a casino?

In theory what you say about inserting five $100 bills to equal one credit should work on the S2000 but it might not be allowed.

The highest denom I have used or played in a casino is $5.




Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 19, 2012, 10:13:03 PM
im almost temted to try it but im affraid of messing my 1st clear up.....if i set my accounting denom to $100 then set my coin denom to $500 would it let me use 5 bills to play $500 at 1 credit.......right now my accounting denom is set to $500 and i changed my coin denom to $100 from $500 and its letting me play 1 credit at $100.......i wish there was someone that has a s2k on here with more clear experience to test this theory

HOW CAN I FIND OUT WHAT MY ACCOUNTING DENOM IS SET AT??


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: cowboygames on May 19, 2012, 10:14:14 PM
He can't do it on a single denom machine because the software has no ability to justify a partial credit till all five bills are inserted. Each bill into the BV has to equal at least one whole credit. He's tried a multidenom VS chip and the base chip he has doesn't seem to want to recognize the multidenom capabilities of it to do what he's trying to do.

Staz, I don't remember, did you try that version chip with or without a game clear?


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: slotsteve on May 19, 2012, 10:21:04 PM
staz that why when it came in it was set on coins,  thats a lot of bills to keep around every time you want to olay it you,ll wear out the cash can


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: Neonkiss on May 19, 2012, 10:24:01 PM
He can't do it on a single denom machine because the software has no ability to justify a partial credit till all five bills are inserted. Each bill into the BV has to equal at least one whole credit. He's tried a multidenom VS chip and the base chip he has doesn't seem to want to recognize the multidenom capabilities of it to do what he's trying to do.

Staz, I don't remember, did you try that version chip with or without a game clear?
:212- :212-
Just set it up as tokenized if you want to play at $500.00 per pull.
Now your token can be worth a max of 100 cerdits ($50,000.00)


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: slotsteve on May 19, 2012, 10:28:27 PM
He can't do it on a single denom machine because the software has no ability to justify a partial credit till all five bills are inserted. Each bill into the BV has to equal at least one whole credit. He's tried a multidenom VS chip and the base chip he has doesn't seem to want to recognize the multidenom capabilities of it to do what he's trying to do.

Staz, I don't remember, did you try that version chip with or without a game clear?
:212- :212-
Just set it up as tokenized if you want to play at $500.00 per pull.
Now your token can be worth a max of 100 cerdits ($50,000.00)
thats the easyest and best way


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: Foster on May 19, 2012, 10:37:35 PM
Staz do not clear the machine no need to do so if you have multi-denom version chip in it.

Let me experiment and see what mine will do.

Also Staz stated it has a multi denom version chip in it.

I use this post for the results of the experiment

I am going to do it with a smaller denom like $100 I only have twenties in my pocket.
I am using a VS011GX1 I believe


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: Neonkiss on May 19, 2012, 10:49:16 PM

Also Staz stated it has a multi denom version chip in it.



Ya, that's what threw me off. The title of his question is "why can't a single denom s2k take 5 $100.00 bills if its set to $500.00 denom???
Cowboy answered that question in post # 4

Now multi denom may be a differant answer.
We'll stay tunes as Foster provides the info.

I would think one of the multi-denoms needs to be the min of $100.00 if your feeding in the $100.00 bills as it will not reconize a partial credit


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: cowboygames on May 19, 2012, 11:21:07 PM
He has to be able to get a split VFD display that shows a dollar value for the money inserted for the machine to recognize an amount that is equivelant to a partial credit. All he gets is credit values for limit settings, now dollar values. When he got the machine it had a single denom version chip, I had him put the multidenom version chip in the other day and it would not give him multidenom options or the split screen display so he couldn't get it to set up for the $500 spins. My Money Mad Martians machine also has a SB chip that won't recognize or set up multidenom. ANY denom setting over $100 will have to be done on a machine that has a multidenom version chip and split screen VFD. His whole idea behind having a $500 machine was to have to put 5 $100 bills in for each spin. He'd rather not have to use tokens to do it.
If you watch the videos on youtube, everyone playing the single denom $500 machines is using printed tickets to add credits


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: slotsteve on May 19, 2012, 11:37:46 PM
the casino were it came from had it set on tokens  , i used dollar tokens in it to play , the glass is setup for 500 dollar  coins so why would you want it on  multi denom?


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 19, 2012, 11:46:57 PM
because if its multi denom i can set it to $500 as my 1st denom and shut off all the other denoms which will make it where i can use 5 bills for 1 credit....... sorry for being fussy but my whole idea to having this machine is to run 100's through it not tokens.......it would be easier if my 1st idea works......ill be waiting on fosters experament before i try anything....


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 19, 2012, 11:57:36 PM
these are all the chips in the machine
sb  000512 SB100512 CH :95- EDIT TO PREVENT FUTURE CONFUSION.
sg 000328
vs 011gx1


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: OhioGaming on May 20, 2012, 12:01:03 AM
im almost temted to try it but im affraid of messing my 1st clear up.....if i set my accounting denom to $100 then set my coin denom to $500 would it let me use 5 bills to play $500 at 1 credit.......right now my accounting denom is set to $500 and i changed my coin denom to $100 from $500 and its letting me play 1 credit at $100.......i wish there was someone that has a s2k on here with more clear experience to test this theory

HOW CAN I FIND OUT WHAT MY ACCOUNTING DENOM IS SET AT??

Go to      7.1.1.1 Acc. Denomination


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 20, 2012, 12:06:56 AM
that doesnt pop up?


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: cowboygames on May 20, 2012, 12:10:42 AM
He's tried that. He still runs into the problem where the BV won't work because the machine can't justify a partial credit when a $100 bill is inserted. It simply doesn't know what to do with the fractional credit amount. His denom options don't include accounting, player and coin denom. He simply has a denom setting with that multidenom chip because the SB doesn't seem to be multidenom capable


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: OhioGaming on May 20, 2012, 12:12:48 AM
So you are saying that a machine will not display the accounting denomination?


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 20, 2012, 12:18:30 AM
its kind of like the $100 wheel of fortune same vfd style....... it only takes 100s not 50s or 20s the more i think about it multi denom is my only option......luke told me my sg chips might not be compatable to multi denom i might need sg 000363 chips


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: cowboygames on May 20, 2012, 12:20:34 AM
That is correct. When I was on the phone with him the other night, he stated he simply had a denom setting option. Not specified as accounting denom and no player denom setting options. Same as if the single denom version chip was in it. What was very telling is that he also didn't get the split screen VFD display that a multi denom chip gives you. As stated above, my Money Mad Martians software is this way. The SB chip isn't programmed for multidenom operation and won't recognize it's features beyond single denom operation. Without a dollar value set to credits for limit setups and what not, I don't see any way to set a $500 denom and use the BV to add credits


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 20, 2012, 12:33:02 AM
no accounting denom in any where in accounting but i found that it did take 100s at the casino under terminal accounting it said  
bill drop 511 <<<in 100s
coin drop 13466
voucherdrop 49602

its amazing 24 million just in ticket vouchers got entered in this machine thats sick!!!!


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: Foster on May 20, 2012, 12:38:06 AM
Staz I cant give you accurate results on my experiment if you are not using SG 363 or 598, but also not sure if that game can use 363 or 598 is this same machine that you had Top box LED issues on?

I just tested mine
I posted it here since so many have replied.

Using VS011GX1 a multi-denom version chip
set for 1 denom, I disabled the other 3 denoms, and also coinless

The machine will accept any bill under the $25 denom
I had to use $25 even though I know the thing can go higher, might be a limit do to accounting denom set to $0.01
It accepted the twenties and ones I had in my pocket it tried to reject some bills but that was the BV having an issue with the bills.

What version chip is it using (use Accounting menu to find out)
1 Accounting
    Version Accounting.


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: cowboygames on May 20, 2012, 12:40:17 AM
That was the issue I had with the Martians game. There's only one set of SG chips that work in that game, but there might be others for the Top Dollar as it was a much more prolific platform


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 20, 2012, 12:50:17 AM
i think im gonna need 363's and it should work........


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: OhioGaming on May 20, 2012, 01:05:44 AM
Since $100 bills are the largest US bill floating around you will not be able to set your accounting denom to $500. It will have to be set for $100.

7.1.1.1 Accounting Denomination set at: $100.00
7.1.1.2 Coin Denomination set at: $100.00
7.1.1.3 Player Denomination set at: $500.00

Bill Validator will accept $100 bills.


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: Foster on May 20, 2012, 01:23:16 AM
Now to put my machine back to $0.50, $1, $2, and $5

I would change it to just $5 if I could get a $5 denoim label that matches the $5 that is part of the touch pad labels.
it is colored purple and white.
any of you photochop gurus what to give it a try for me.


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: CaptainHappy on May 20, 2012, 02:46:42 AM
Staz,

I called a friend at a casino to try and get some info to help you out and to prevent tail chasing... :72-

FIRST :81- You have listed the WRONG SB # above, it should be SB100512. (NOT SB000512 which is actually Double Diamond Run Reel Touch 5R9L180C) (That confused him for a few seconds! :97- ) What a difference a digit makes! :5- :200- :72- :97- :208-

Second your SG chips (SG000328) are Single Denomination only, so you will NEVER get Multi Denom to work with those. :60- The current setup in casinos is SG000577 for Top Dollar and some other Barcrest Machines. Others that may work in case a friend may have one of these chipsets to help you out... SG000329, SG000371, SG000378, or SG000535 to name a few possibilities for Multi Denom with these style games.  :89-

Some examples of other games that would work with these SG chips are: Double Triple Diamond Deluxe with Cheese, Money Mad Martians, Quack Shot, King Cash, Top Dollar 3R5L, Double Top Dollar, Pinball, Big Bucks Bonus, and many others - I got tired of writing them down. Basically with this info, I am sure that one of our members or vendors may have the right SG chips that they can sell you. :89-

I thought that I would list the above so that someone may be able to help you out, even thought they did not know they could since they do not have a Top Dollar 3R1L machine... :103-

Third, do not waste your time trying to use SG000363 as it does not support Top Dollar, which is a TYPE 82 Game! :58- You need a special SG to support that Type and others. :37-

Fourth, Good news, it looks like your Version Chip VS011GX1 is just fine! :3-

Finally, my casino buddy has not ever set up one of their machines for $500, so he could not offer any help there. :8-

Hope that this helps you get your machine going in the manner that you would like! :71- :71- :71-

CaptainHappy :95-


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: CaptainHappy on May 20, 2012, 03:14:08 AM
That was the issue I had with the Martians game. There's only one set of SG chips that work in that game, but there might be others for the Top Dollar as it was a much more prolific platform

BINGO!!!! :212- See my post for more info.. (Probably Above this post) Plus :204-

His current SG chips are SINGLE DENOM only. Top Dollar needs special SG chips. That might also be why he does not see an "accounting" denomination... SD is just that a Single Denomination, so I don't think a seperate accounting denom setting would make any sense? (Now MD is another story of course.)

CH :95-


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 20, 2012, 03:42:50 AM
so doing a full ram clear would be a waste of time it wouldnt change anything accept give me more grey hairs lol theres no way to set this to acounting 100.00 and player denom to 500.00 with the sg chips i have.....on a good note i got my backlites to work it was the plug not plugged in to that little side box.....


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 20, 2012, 03:46:05 AM
thank you captain for the news  :259-


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: CaptainHappy on May 20, 2012, 03:52:35 AM
so doing a full ram clear would be a waste of time it wouldn't change anything accept give me more grey hairs lol theres no way to set this to accounting 100.00 and player denom to 500.00 with the sg chips i have.....on a good note i got my backlites to work it was the plug not plugged in to that little side box.....

Yup, I am trying to prevent you from doing this... :277- :277- :277- :208-

At least you have the Back Lit Feature working! :244-

Start searching for the right SG chips and I think that you will be closer to your goal! (I left a big bread trail of crumbs/clues for those that read this thread, so maybe there will be a savior out there for you, just be patient! Good things come to those who wait they say! I always called BS to that!!! :25- :208- )

I will see if I can get my hands on any of those chips for you! :89- :71- :89- Give your "other" special machine some attention for now, I think it may be jealous! :97-

CH :95-


Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: Foster on May 20, 2012, 04:12:29 AM
I didnt realize it was a type 82 game, so CH is correct.

For the rest of those that read these threads -- Do not use a clear chip on a S2000 unless instructed to do so
Clearing a machine is usually not required, yes there are exceptions to this.





Title: Re: why cant a single denom s2k take 5 $100 bills if its set to $500 denom??
Post by: staz on May 21, 2012, 03:41:01 AM
more good new i saw a silver box on the side of my 1st reel i opened it and had player tracking board in it all wired up......looks kinda neet lit up....... thanks to you guys this machine is coming together !!!!!!!