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 :200- :208-I have an round top IGT S or S+ (how do you tell the difference between s and s+).   . 
When I turn the machine on I get the code 12 in the winner window.  Under the codes pasted on my machine
that's a "low battery voltage".  Does that mean I have to replace a battery or ?. 
What do I need to do? 
If it's a battery where is it located?  Or does the code 12 mean my power supply is going?

Your input would be greatly appreciated.

Don

The onboard MPU 3.6 volt battery has dropped below the threshold voltage.
That in turn, causes the MPU to shoot out the code [12] error code.
Time for a new one.

Place a WTB (Wanted To Buy) ad in the Classifieds section of NLG
and I'm somebody will have one for ya!  :89-

The easiest way to tell if you have an S Plus machine would be if it had a built in bill acceptor.  The older S machines (and some of the earlier S Plus Machines had no internal bill acceptors).
Assuming you have an S Plus machine ...

The battery is located on the MPU board behind the tray located behind your hopper.

The Battery ...

To expand on CommTech's answer, S+ machines have easily removable MPU boards as pictured above (the silver tray with the black knob which just plugs in and unplugs in one motion) (always turn the power OFF when unplugging or plugging in the MPU board).

S (non-plus) machines have MPU boards which are attached with multiple cable harnesses which must be individually plugged and unplugged when removing the board.

Thanks to all for your very helpful information.  I have determined that I have the S+ model.  So now I have to order the battery.
The next question is:  Can I just pull out the old battery, or is it soldered in with the clips on each side?  If so does the NEW battery come with the clips attached and then they have
to be soldered in where the old one is?  If so then I guess I melt the old solder with a soldering iron and then solder the new one in/  If this is so do I use solder with flux all in one?

Does anyone in this forum sell the batteries and are they expensive?

ALSO: Does anyone know how to change your e-mail address on here.  I have a NEW one and can't find a way to change it on here.
The OLD one is: removed for your protection

The NEW on is: removed for your protection

Thanks for your help in advance.

Don

To change your e-mail address, go to the bottom of your profile page, second item.

Ron (r273)

  Don   I apologize if this pisses you off, but after reading your post about your soldering skills PLEASE don't try this on your own or your next post will be where can you buy a new board.( I've been wrong before )  OK now that you've said screw him, cut the  tabs off the old battery as close as you can. Now solder the new battery tabs to the old tabs. ( Very little heat going to the board. )  If you have a BV your going to need a set chip.

I live about 20 miles East of Palmdale and if that's any where close to you I would be happy to solder in the battery for you.

Don - there are some excellent posts on here in regards to soldering batteries and other components on boards that go into detail on type of flux, methods, solder types, etc.) that might help you out. Just search "soldering battery" and you should find them. :89-

-Roslyn

I removed your e-mail addresses from your post above so that any potential spam bots that crawl through the site won't be able to see them and add you to spam e-mail lists.  I see that with Ron (r273)'s help, you were able to update your e-mail address in your profile.

If you haven't soldered a battery in before (and based on your posts, you haven't), I'd tend to agree with Buzz and try not to do it yourself, at least don't solder the tabs to the battery since that's where the biggest danger is in the proces (of the battery bursting due to too much heat).

If you're close enough to Buzz or another member, let them help you do this the first time.  If not, I'd buy a battery with the tabs already soldered on so you don't have to do that part.  Then, one at a time heat up each solder pad on the board to remove the old battery from the board (with its tabs attached to the battery still), then solder each new tab to the board being careful not to heat up the board too much and damage anything on the board.  Also be sure to observe the correct polarity when attaching the new battery.

Don
If you have a Interstate Battery near you just take the board to them and will put a new battery in for you for about $9.00 battery included

Thanks to bunnyslots, Knagl, Buzz, r273, and CVslots.

You all have been very helpful to me.  I live in Cathedral City, CA and I just checked and there is an Interstate Battery store on Perrez Road in Cathedral City.  This is only about 2 miles from where I live.  I'll take my board up to them tomorrow and see if they have a battery and will install it for me.

If I'm able to get it fixed do I just put the board back in and turn on the machine?  Or what do I have to do to get the machine going again?

Thanks once again for all your help.

Don

Well, it depends on what the machine does when you turn it back on.   :89-

In my experience, some machines have simply fired right back up as if nothing ever happened.  Others will give you a 61 error, and others have given various other errors.  See what happens and report back here if you're having trouble.

This link will be helpful for you -- it has a list of common S+ error codes, along with the step(s) required to resolve them: http://www.newlifegames.net/igterrors/

formertexan,
When you're ready to install the MPU back in and power it up -
please don't be hesitant about posting any questions you might have.
We are here to help you get your machine up
and running the way you want it to!  :89-

Thanks Stayouttadabunker,

Again I really do appreciate all the help the kind people have given to me regarding my problem with my battery.  As I said earlier I will be going to Interstate Battery tomorrow and see if they will help me.  I just might be asking some more questions when I get the battery in.  All you people are GREAT.  How do I donate some money to help the forum out?

Don
 

Right at the bottom of each and every page you should see a yellow DONATE button .   Thank's,   every little bit helps

 :59-
Hi everyone who helped me last night.

I still have problems! 
I bought a battery today at Interstate Batteries.  I'm not sure if it's the correct one.  He first started to give me one that I think had a wire on both sides.  Then he asked me again what it was for and I told him again IGT S+ and he looked on his computer and came up with the one pictured here.  He said they didn't do any wiring there.  He said they did wiring in San Bernardino, CA.  He gave me the man's name because I said I was going to Los Angeles Wednesday and Thursday of this week.  I called the man and he said he didn't do wiring either.  He said the one with the wire on it was much easier to attach.  But he wasn't allowed to do it.

So that's where I stand as of now.  Maybe the wrong battery and no one to do the wiring if it's the correct battery.

I'm attaching a picture of the original battery and the one the guy at Interstate Batteries sold me today.   

Tkanks,
Don
 

The only way to use that new battery is to pick up a battery holder that has the solder tabs now.
Solder the battery holder to the board and drop in the battery.

Here's a kink to a page from the Newark catalog...>>>


http://www.newark.com/catalog_129/index.html?page=1576 (http://www.newark.com/catalog_129/index.html?page=1576)


Screenshot picture of the page below...>>>

Well, if battery holders are what get the job done for you, Mark... to each their own.   :72- :72-   :97- :97-

He gave you the wrong battery. You want the one with the leads on each side, Interstate battery is a franchise deal and I guess in Cali. they don't teach customer service, but in Illinois they desolder and resolder while you wait you should do a search and see if there are anymore locations around and call them I've attached a copy of my last invoice.

Good post Bunny!
Interstate really should of had batteries with leads already soldered onto them...too bad they didn't.

formertexan, I will give you a battery if you PM your address.
I will make a short video clip of how to solder a battery onto an MPU board.
It's a piece of cake actually
and takes no skills at all.  :72-

All you need is a cheap soldering pen with some rosin paste flux
and a small spool of electronic circuit solder.
Some sandpaper would be good to have to clean the soldering pencil tip too!
All this can be picked up at your local Radio Shack store I'll bet, sometimes comes as a kit.


Here's a short video clip I made for you to show you how to change out a battery on an MPU board...>>>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pan8k8OjIgM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pan8k8OjIgM)

That's the reason I go to interstate cause I have less than no skills :72-

Ha! I wasn't picking on ya Bunny!

Anyways, I think they sell soldering pencils as a kit with paste and soldering wire for like about $9 bucks.
Pick up a kit and some metal paper clips and try soldering a little box out of them!
If you can make a box with clips, you can do anything!

Stayouttadabunker and r273,
Stayouttadabunker after I PM you I went to the E-bay page that r273 told me about in the upper messages.  I bought the one that was for sale there.  It said it was for the IGT Slot Machine.  I think that it was r273 that said whoever was selling the battery on E-Bay was a member of this forum.
I think it is the correct battery.  It has the pins coming from it.  Looks like an open paper clip coming from it.  I will try and read all the info on the solding that you  all sent to me and see if I can do it myself.

Buzz,
I was hoping the have a correct battery by tomorrow morning (Wednesday), because I am driving to Los Angeles on Wednesday morning and coming back  to Cathedral City on Thursday afternoon or evening.  I will be coming down I-10 and was going to try and come up your way.  I'm not sure how far you live North of I-10.

   

I actually think that the guy at interstate battery had the right battery in the first place where you mentioned it had wires on it, did it look like the one I attached here, the picture stolen from the internet... If it is like the one in the picture, they call those Axial Leads, and they are just as good as the batteries with Solder Tabs. I guess that it looks like not all of the interstate battery stores have soldering services. :25- :8- :37-

Buzz may not see this as I think he is still on the road, if you want to PM me with your cell phone number I will try to get it to Buzz so that he can try to call you. Also he is pretty far North of I10... Look on the Map for 138 up in the desert. :25-

CaptainHappy :95-

Bunny What Bunker said is absolutely correct, and using that same set of logic  if you buy a real sharp pocket knife  Patrice on a couple of Rib I Steaks ( T bone if you prefere ) then you will be qualified to preform brain surgery. Perhaps Tacman will volunteer to be your first patient.  A word of CAUTION, if rumores mean anything you may need a magnifying glass to find it !!!!!!!!!!!   :79- :79- :79-


formertexan  I live about 45 minutes North of the I-15 /  I-10 split.  ( About 1/2 way between Palmdale and Victorville.) And I will be more than happy to do it for you. ( I have batterys )

If you screw the board up, I'll give you another one.

The picture you posted of your board is the easier one  to solder a battery to. I would say go ahead and give it a try, just follow most of Bunker's voteo.  I say most because I can't figure out why he used flux to desolder the battery or why he uses sandpaper to clean the tip when a damp rag works just as well and a lot quicker.  ( Only Bunker knows for sure )


Mark I'm back, they pissed me off and I only hauled two rides to Vegas. ( two trips ) spent the night in the sleeper in Whisky Pete's parking lot and never went inside the Casino.  Back just seeing how much  :79- :79- :79- I can stir up. Today is pick on the other Mark day. The other Mark who is sometimes called SOB.

Ok Buzz,

I will gladly relinquish my duties as your secretary! :200-

I call him TOM!!!! (You know, T.O.M. - The Other Mark!!! :97- :72- :97- We Mark's have a private club as there are alot of us! :88- :208- )

CH :95-
AKA the "ORIGINAL" T.O.M. (The ORIGINAL Mark in this case!)

Buzz and Bunker,
I think I will try it myself. The video that Bunker made was fantastic.  It made me feel that I can do it myself????  GREAT JOB BUNKER!!!  Tks so much...
Will just a cheap electric soldering iron do the job.  I don't have a soldering iron so I will have to buy one.  Hopefully I won't have to spend a lot of money on one.


Bunnyslots,
On your invoice from Interstate Battery I couldn't read it very well.  If you could give me the item number of the battery from Interstate I will take mine back and ask for your item number...     Or is just any 3.6V Lithium battery with wire leads a correct one?????

Once again THANKS to EVERYONE who has given me advice.  I've tried to thank all of you, but if I have missed anyone, it wasn't on purpose.

You ALL have given me the courage to try this myself..providing I get the correct battery to work with....

I'm working with PAY PAL on a contribution to your "outstanding forum"

THANKS!!  THANKS!!!!

DON

Saft  LS14250  they can cross reference for their part number 

 Don your welcome and your welcome to stop by anytime, the only restrictions I have on visitors are, If you bring a small child with you, when you leave you gotta take them with you. ( I ain't changing anymore dirty diapers )

I suggested that maybe he could call Joey?
It would only take a couple of days by mail instead of me from the east coast??

I only have a few left but if formertexan can't get one - I will mail him one of mine.
I'd go back to Interstate though and ask for an axial battery.
Like you said, it's NOT critical that the battery has the flat tabs -
wired batteries or the ones with axial leads would work fine as you can see from my video clip.

Now how come I didn't see Page 2 of this thread?  :25- :279-
I just responded to page 1.  ( Which was pre-Buzz... :72-)

Buzz, I've sanded papered my solder pencil tip for years...
I leave the darn thing on too long and the pencil gets too hot and gets CAKED with hardened junk!!!  :277-
I don't use my Weller soldering station for simple jobs like this -
just my cheap old trusty pencil solder.

I didn't flux the battery lead - I flux my pencil to get it hotter! LOL
I know, I know... but it works for me... :97-

It looks like A L I T 2 1 5 0, but it's tough to tell for sure.  The number Buzz posted above should be enough for them to cross-reference.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/wa4qhg.jpg)

It is ALIT2150 3.6 V

 :59-
Hello Everyone,

Just a quick note here.  I am in Los Angeles and getting ready to come back to Cathedral City, later this evening.

I checked yesterday morning at Interstate Batteries where I bought the other one.  He checked on his computer with the numbers that you gave me and he couldn't find any with the axial leads.  The first one he showed me the other day didn't have the wires on it after all.

If I can find a Interstate Battery store here in Los Angeles I will see if they have any.  They might close before I get out of my play though. 

Don

I made it back from Los Angelos without any luck getting a battery with aerial leads. 
The man at Interstate Batteries here in Cathedral City had taken my information I received from the forum and said he would check further into if he could get me the correct battery. 

I had a message on my answering machine when I got home last night that he had some information for me.  So I will check with him when they open this morning. 

When I finally get the correct battery can I just buy a cheap electric soldering iron do do the soldering?  Any recommendations on this?

:279- See and fully re-read Reply#20 again...please!
All that you are doing is changing a battery.
However, you are welcome to spend $200 on a professional soldering station to change a $2 battery...  :5-
Can't you just borrow a soldering gun or soldering pencil from your neighbor next door?

Don  You have a couple of choices, first PM me your address and I'll send you a battery. second I will be in Beaumont 2 AM Monday morning, I should be there for about a hour and a half. I can bring a battery and soldering iron no problem soldering using the inverter I have in my big truck.  ( Works with a Mr Coffee )

That's AWESOME BUZZ!!! :131- :244- :3-
Buzz the Midnight Traveling Slot Repairman!   :200-



Don, please bring a bloody video cam!
We have JUST GOTTA see this event!  :97-

Nope,  Carnival Rides     Last Monday it was 2 round trips to Las Vegas, this week one from Beaumont to Merced  ( 257 miles ) drop that one off and Bobtail to Las Vegas ( 455 miles ) pick up a ride I left there Monday and take it to Santa Maria ( 401 miles )  Hope and pray then don't want me to go to Las Vegas twice.  The truck runs out of diesel and I run out of gas.

A little trivia  they just this past winter put a s**t pot of lights on their Big Wheel ( 110 foot high Ferris wheel )  Cost 200 GRAND  it's all computer controlled and puts out quite a light show. Each light module is about 6 or 8 inch's long, mounted one after the other on each and every spoke, they said they cost $151 each. And just think, the right tree limb when I'm moving the wheel could cause a lot of damage, each and every one of those lights are right out on the edge of the trailer, both sides.

Bunker,

Sorry to ask so many questions about the battery and soldering iron.  Some of us are good at many (certain) things and some of us are better at (other) things.  You have apparently done a lot of soldering and working on circuit boards.  I haven't done any of this, but I'm willing to try if I get the chance.   

As for borrowing a solding iron or gun from the neighbors they are ALL in their 80's and 90's and having a soldering gun is about the last thing they would have.  And I am in my 70's.  But as I said I am "Still Willing to Try the Soldering".  I WILL review the soldering post again.
 
Thanks for making my day!

Buzz,

Thanks for the offer, but I will try it myself.  You are a KIND man. 
I will go to Radio Shack and try to get a 15W solding gun, flux and solder.   

Everyone Else,

Thanks for all your kind help.  Sorry I didn't know much about the subject of this post, but I learned a lot from you.

Have a GREAT DAY!!!!

Don

Good luck, Don.  If you've never used a soldering iron before, I'd do as Bunker suggested and play with some paper clips and solder first to get a feel for it before you do the board.  Let us know how it turns out!

 :208- :279-
Hopefully one last question before I solder.

I have the correct battery (I bought on E-bay).  I bought a 15 watt soldering iron from Radio Shack.  Rosin soldering Flux from Radio Shack.
"And my question".  I bought 60/40 Rosin-core solder (.032" Diameter, light duty), from Radio Shack..........It doesn't say Electronic Circuit Solder..Is This OK To Use On My Circuit Board?   

Don

Yes Sir.  what you bought will work just fine.   You can use just about any kind of solder but acid core.  ( Acid eats the copper )

 :131-
Buzz,

Thanks so much.  The FUN begins a little later.  May have to be put off until tomorrow morning... Company coming for dinner and cards..


Don

Don I sent you a PM with my phone number.

 :79-
If I have a brand new soldering iron do I have to coat the tip with my solder first?  If this is correct, do I just hold the soldering iron to the solder and let it melt on it on the tip of the gun?

 :131- :244- :88-
I DID IT!!!!!

I just finished solding the battery and turned the machine on and got 61 code and went from there......

Thanks to ALL who helped me through this.  I never could have done it without you all!!!!

And a BIG THANKS to Buzz.

Also when I hit the PLAY button I got all 7's....  Wish I could do that at the casino.

THANKS!   THANKS!!!!

Don

:136-

:105-

Yippee!!!  :291- :267-
Another happy slot homeowner!