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where can i find the year, make and model numbers for my machine ?...it's a square top vs round top and is 18 inches wide by 40 inches high..is it an "s" "s+" or what..it must be an oldie and i'm just a newbie at this so be kind with your answers...thanks/

It's either an S or a really early S+. Can you please post a picture or two of the inside of the machine? We'll need to see the MPU board inside there to determine what model you have.

Could be either one. Open the door and look at the MPU board, if it just plugs in it's a S+ if you have to plug the wiring harnesses to the board it's a S.  A picture of the insides with the hopper removed will tell us for sure.

PS  MPU  ( main board ) will be either on the hinge side of the machine or behind the hopper, down close to the floor.

:238- coach851 :88-

As Buzz and Knagl said,  :211-, but basically, if the main board (MPU) is just sitting in the machine (may or may not be attached to the wall) and has three large wiring harnesses plugged into of the sides of the board, it's an S; if the main board is plugged into a motherboard – a small circuit board that is anchored to the floor of the machine – and the MPU has no wiring harnesses directly attached to it, it's an S-plus.

I'm just guessing, but since it's a pre-DBV (dollar bill validator) model, it was probably made sometime before 1992-3. There's a plaque on the right side of the machine under the handle that should have the date of manufacture. You could also post a picture of that.  :71-


Stat :31-

I am guessing an early S-Plus from 1989-1991. 

Am I the only one noticing the really unique thing about this cabinet?   Take a good long look, you should notice that it is one of those very seldom seem intermediate width body machines, they are about 4-5 inches narrower than the standard wide body cabinet.  Very cool! 
Only downfall, finding glass kits to make game changes is a bitch with these.  I have one narrow cabinet with a Haywire in it.  Finally found a glass kit to fit it for Wild Cherry.  Unusual, very cute little machines!  :-)

I guess we can get into a pissing contest, the only S machine I've ever owned was a narrow cabinet. And it was a Wild Cherry had to be the nicest closing door I've ever seen. First time I met Stat Freak he came over and help me fix the hopper pay out.

I guess we can get into a pissing contest, the only S machine I've ever owned was a narrow cabinet


Hey Buzz, so you don't get wet and smell funny the Intermediates were made in S and S+ and are 3" narrower than the standard Wide Body (or normal width) machine

S were made in both Narrow Cabinet and Wide body in 9" and 16" Top Box

Intermediate S+ never were IBV (only Side Mount)

We still have a hundred or so intermediates, probably 40 S and 60 S+  a super cool machine for town homes with narrow steps to the basement

the reason for Intermediates was more machines in smaller places (like Riverboats)

thanks for all the numerous quick replies to my question..from the info given i suspect that i have an s+ machine..but i am posting pictures of the inside and circuit board..also someone suggested that i forward info/pic of the nametag under the handlle but i couldn't find one..but i do see various tags with numbers on them and the info "AS 6-89"  could this mean that is was assembled in june of 1989 ??

as someone mentioned my machine width makes it difficult to find the right mod kits..i ordered a kit on ebay to change my double diamond to a double diamond deluxe..when i got the kit  the upper glass was for a roundtop and the lower glass was 3 inches wider that my original glass..so i figured i didn't really have a problem because the round top upper glass and my square top upper glass had the same info on them so i really don't have to change the upper glass.  the only difference with the lower glass (aside from the width) is the word "deluxe"..so i figure i could get along without changing the glass or just have it cut to width..seems that the height of the glass is the same as my original..my BIG question is will the plug-in "stepper base" as it is labeled work on my machine ??  the "stepper base" is labeled "SB100088 and is dated 07/10/01...will it work on my machine ???

no sir  if you have a SB chip it fits  S 2000 machines.

so- i guess i got the wrong chip-what chip do i need and where can i get one ??   i guess i can put the kit i have back on ebay unless there is anyone out there who can use it..if so please let me know..thanks again for all the help..../andy..

if you had an sb chip in there it would hang over the socket like Wilt Chamberlin in a small bed. It maybe miss labeled. does this game fire up?

 coach851  I'll be out of town for a few days, when I get back I can do some research on which SS  ( REEL ) chip you need to install the Double Diamond Deluxe.  Give it some thought and change the machine to a Double Diamond Haywire. ( You have everything you need except for a chip )

Correct, an early S+ machine in a smaller-than-typical cabinet.   :89-

As far as model numbers go for IGT of that era, they may or may not last through the first conversion. If I remember this correctly your current configuration would be a B4036C. B= S+ No B would= S Slot. 4 would = Intermediate cabinet 5= wild body   0= 9in or chop top   1 would= 16
in or casino top.   36= 2cn multiplier and C= credit.

B4036C= S+ Intermediate 2 coin multiplier with credit

as it has been determined you have an Intermediate S+ machine.   if you want to convert it to a double diamond deluxe you could post a WTB kit for a IGT Intermediate machine.  you will need the top and belly glass, reel strips ( the reel strips you have are probably AAA,all the same number)  for a two coin DDDLX you need  ABA), and a new reel chip  e.g.SS4252.


Apparently you purchased a S-2000  roundtop  kit.   you may want to sell that here on NLG, place a WTS classified ad.

hope this clears up your situation.

Jim 

hey leapyearguy---if i did have the right chip, where would i install it ??

ss chip goes in the reels prom slot     sp goes in the game prom slot

leapyrearguy-thanks for info..right now i have ?? (can't read clearly-could be ss) 3342 chip installed in the reel slot...  thanks again/andy..........

leapyearguy---so sorry...i should have typed 3442....what chip do i need for a double diamond deluxe ?  thanx/andy..

http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Diamond%20Deluxe%20%282%20Coin%20Multip.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Diamond%20Deluxe%20%282%20Coin%20Multip.htm)

Andy-

Please take a couple of minutes to check out the information under the "Rick's FAQ Files (http://www.newlifegames.net/faq1/)" button near the upper-right corner of the page.  There are some great articles there explaining how to do some common tasks on S+ machines, including specifically how to change the game theme in your machine (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gamechange.htm).



Also in that FAQ is a link to the IGT S+ Game Bible (http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible), which lists most of the games available for the S+, their chip numbers, and their payback percentages.

For your machine, since you wanted to stay with a 2-coin game, you'd click on the bible, click "2CM" at the top (for 2 Coin Multiplier), and then find Double Diamond Deluxe in the list.

thank you so much for pointing out the location of info related to my issue..i'll certainly read the info/andy..

where does one acquire the various chips mentioned on the guide ??  is there an outlet for these chips or must i pour thru the various topics, check ebay or what ??

Many of those chips can be purchased through some of the reputable vendors who frequent this site. You can always place a "WTB" (want to buy) ad in the classifieds section of this forum, and one of the vendors or another member who has the chip(s) you're looking for will reply to your ad.

I'm with Buzz that you might want to make it a Double Diamond Haywire. More fun IMO than just a nudge game (DDD).

Let's see if were on the same page. You need/want a SS (reel ) chip for a S+ 2 coin Double Diamond Deluxe ??  I just happen to have what you need a SS4251 97.4%. If you will PM me your address I'll get it into the mail, along with a clear chip. The clear chip is being sent to you with the understanding you will give it to your wife and she will return it to you only after someone from this site instructs you to do a clear.

I know I have a list on my hard drive but can't seem to fine it, open to suggestions for a Type 2 SP chip number for Haywire.

SP1274 But that is only if he is going for Double Diamond Haywire. If he sticks with DDD, then he is probably fine with whatever is in there. Otherwise a SP1271 would be best for DDD.

Mark In a PM that is my suggestion, to make the machine a Double Diamond Haywire. That way he doesn't need to remove the DD Deluxe strips from the S 2000 kit he bought. I don't really know if S 2000 and S+ reel strips are the same width. I know if I did a search on this site I could find out, but I'll cross that bridge if and  when it's necessary. I do know the Double Diamond reel strips will need to be offset.

Hmm..... Are you sure about this for an S+? I had Gold Mountain which is a DD clone, and I'm pretty sure all I did was swap the reel chip with a Double Jackpot Haywire and didn't have to offset the strips.

<edit>I just looked at the PAR for DD and DJH and the strips apear to be the same (no offset).

DD:
Line #   1 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #   2  7  7  7      
Line #   3 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #   4 1B 1B 1B      
Line #   5 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #   6 DD DD DD      
Line #   7 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #   8 3B 3B 3B      
Line #   9 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  10 CH CH CH      
Line #  11 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  12 2B 2B 2B      
Line #  13 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  14  7  7  7      
Line #  15 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  16 1B 1B 1B      
Line #  17 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  18 DD DD DD      
Line #  19 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  20 3B 3B 3B      
Line #  21 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  22 2B 2B 2B      

DJH:
Line #   1 ~P ~P ~P      
Line #   2  7  7  7      
Line #   3 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #   4 1P 1P 1P      
Line #   5 ~P ~P ~P      
Line #   6 DJ DJ DJ      
Line #   7 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #   8 3P 3P 3P      
Line #   9 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  10 CH CH CH      
Line #  11 ~P ~P ~P      
Line #  12 2B 2B 2B      
Line #  13 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  14  7  7  7      
Line #  15 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  16 1B 1B 1B      
Line #  17 ~P ~P ~P      
Line #  18 DJ DJ DJ      
Line #  19 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  20 3B 3B 3B      
Line #  21 ~~ ~~ ~~      
Line #  22 2P 2P 2P

Mark The only thing I'm sure of is taxes and death. I quit paying taxes a long time ago and have been cheating the undertaker for a long time. 

Supprising what a search will come up with on this site !! Wish more folks used it including ME     http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=114.0

So if I sent him a SP 1274 and a SS4270 he would be in busness. I think

I love using Double Jackpot Haywire software in my old Double Diamond. 

Another cool one you can get away with,
For a Triple Diamond, use software for a Triple Dollars Mystery Reel Action game.  Same paytable, and random nudges.  You will need the  type 23 SP chip for this one of course.

OK If I had a Triple Diamond S 2000 and use a SB001000 base chip and say a SS8189,  will that work ??  I don't know for sure but I'll bet I have some S 2000 Triple Diamond machines some where around here. 

Crap, I am not sure about S2000 games, no experoience with them.  But sure works great for S Plus. 

I looked and I do have a couple of S 2000 Triple Diamond machines, but better yet by doing a little research I came up that in S 2000 Triple Diamond and Triple Dollar use the same SB chip, which means one of them is a clone. Guess what, I just happen to have a couple of Triple Dollar 3 coin S 2000 seems to me that is the place to try the Mystery Reel Action.

There's a sticky post at the top of the S+ category with a list of SP chips and what game types they support, for your future reference:

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=68.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=68.0)



If I recall correctly, the S+ strips and the non-backlit S2000 strips are the same width.  The backlit S2000 strips are not the same.

Buzz,

here is one more use for those chips.  its the Phantom of the Opera.   same as a Triple dollars with Mystery reel action    the 8189  works in a S+  so I don't see why it wouldn't work  in a S-2000.


Jim

This post and the next talk one about the different widths.

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=16230.msg137906#msg137906 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=16230.msg137906#msg137906)