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Here is a question for the guru's out there! Does IGT make an S+ version of Crystal Tens and also Triple Ten Times Pay machines? I have been looking far and wide for a kit for either of these games and most of the places I asked claim neiter game exists. I could have sworn that I have played these games in casinos before. As always, THANKS!!!!! :131-

They're right...but there's a game called "Crystal Fives" for S+'s
And a "Ten Times Pay" as well....! :89-

I've also seen Crystal 7's (a 7x pay theme) -- never 10's, though.  I haven't heard of a triple 10x pay (would that be 30x pay?), either.

Edit: But, the triple 10x does exist!  See below.

For S-2000 SB 100170

Crystal 5's and 7's but no 10's. It's been so long ago, I may have confused the two. I see the triple ten times machine is real but not for the S+. Thanks for the photos and replys. I guess no dice for the S+ version of the triple ten times though....

Jim to the rescue again!   :3-

What is SS012413 then?

That is 2CM  Trip 10 Times Pay, I have that Program for the S+ for 3 Coin it would be SS 012414, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 20, but to be correct the glass I showed pic of is S-2000 glass, due to it saying Credits instead of coins, I would have said would fit S+ but like Jay Leno says "Please don't write letters" as the tricky nicky picky squad is watching, or in other words the NIT PICKERS who have nothing better to do but make corrections to post

So there is a Triple Ten Times 3 Coin kit for an S+ Machine??

The kit I pictured would fit in a S+ the glass says Credits instead of Coins in the Award where it is for 1 2 or 3 credits played, but I don't have the software for S+ for 3 Coin, only 2 Coin

It existed, yes -- it's in the IGT bible on this site:

2 Coin Version (http://newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Triple%20Ten%20Times%20Pay%20(2%20Coin%20Multipl.htm)

3 Coin Version (http://newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Triple%20Ten%20Times%20Pay%20(3%20Coin%20Multipl.htm)

Drat...i must of overlooked it in the bible...good catch Knagl! :3-

Wow and you have the round top, which I have. If only someone had the chip, I could get a kit together. This game is harder than hell to find.

I have a triple ten times pay chip somewhere, can't remember if it's 2 or 3 coin but I do remember it's horrible return.

They're 260 stops. What do you expect? Those 10x multipliers are scarcer than hens' teeth, especially on the third reel. There are three of them on the first and two on the second. With six winning combinations the odds are over 2.9 million to 1.

Then there's the volatility index: between 40.3 for the low paying, and 42.6 for the better paying chips. Wow! On the 98% chip, even a casino has a chance of seeing a loss with 1,000,000 pulls, since the 90% confidence range is between 93.77% and 102.29%. So for a home user who might play 100,000 pulls in a year if they played the machine 3-4 hours a week, they could end up with a payout as low as only 84.57% or as high 111.49% after a year with the 98% chip, and as low as 77% for the 90% chip.

I had the 91% chip and experienced the 77% payouts  :96-

I checked mine and only have the lowest percentage 2 coin chip.

W :60-

I had similar experience with the regular 10x pay, and it's not nearly as bad as this one. :25-

Still, 5 Aces, no one is saying you shouldn't put the kit together. A lot of members like the 10x pay games, and you could be one of the luckier ones who experiences well over 100% payback during your first year or two. You might want to snag the glass and strips while they are available and keep looking for the chip. You can even play a mis-matched game using the three coin glass and the two coin chip that Blueridge has if you don't care or mind explaining to your friends why they can't get the machine to take the third coin. :30-

I did that with my Mermaid's Gold Dotmation. It had 3 coin glass and the seller only had a 2 coin chip, but I took it anyway. Eventually, I got a three coin chip.

I did pretty good on the regular 10X machine.. doubles and triples were pretty boring tho'

Thanks for the info. I finally did find the chip, three glass pieces and reel strips for $250 brand new. However, reading about how hard it is to win, makes it bad being that my Mom and Dad usually enjoy playing and winning! :-) But, like you said and the seller mentioned this to me, it was pulled after about a year and it's hard to find that game now, so I may just grab the kit and keep it for that reason. Thanks again for the advise and replys!!

Also, those odds keep poking me in the face! I eventually hit the triple's on my red white blue machine at 1:512,000. At the odds your saying for the triple ten times, it will be like watching paint dry! Ya know too, this is weird! Hitting the red white blue for 10,000 quarters, $2,500 at 1:512,000, two years ago I hit a ten dollar lottery ticket for $50,000. The odds were 1:244,000. These slot machines almost make me ashamed that I now have some clue as to how hard they are to hit and the prizes are not really that high. I know lottery tickets are worse, but hitting them big, yields some fairly good amounts. Just my two cents.... StatFreak!! :8- Now you got me started on those darn Stats!!  :37-

Well if you found the Software, I would be glad to sell you the Glass and Strips I have

 :97- :97- :97- :97-

Congratulations on winning that $50,000. The most I've ever won on any lottery or scratch off was $250. In truth though, I hardly ever play them. In my case, we're talking 50% payback. That makes the Big-6 wheel, Keno, Megabucks, and the proposition bets at the craps table look like generosity incarnate. :58- :60-

The seller is supposed to call me later on in the afternoon, to let me know if all three glass pieces can even be made for that game. He seemed to know a fairly good deal of information about that game, being that it was one of his favorites, but like he said, the game was pulled in about a year after it came out, so he wasn't sure if they could make the glass for it. If he can't get me the glass, I'd be glad to buy it from you. I'll let you know after he calls me later on in the day. Thanks again!!

StatFreak, your a smart man! But one more for ya! Last year I went in halfers with the cleark on a $5 scratch at a truckstop where I live and we split $20,000. Now most will say, Geez, your doing well. BUT!! We played probably over $10,000 in tickets the year before and lost our A**!! In the end, with both winners I payed off my truck and a few credit cards an it seemed to all go back to the damn lottery. The only cool thing is that I claimed the $20,000 and will be getting back close to the $6,000 in taxes they took. The only reality check with that is, I have a box filled to the top with tickets and you guessed it, they are all $20,000 worth of losers! :25- It's fun and all playing the odds and hell, I'm a single guy with no kids, so I can get away with it, but StatFreak, your doing it right by playing it now and then and enjoying the spirit of it. Like any other game of chance, you'll slowly give it back and I saw someone on this forum say: "The only way to win, is to own the casino"! or State Lottery"! I saw that first hand and it can be one hell of an emotional rollercoaster!! That's why I better stay home and lose my own money to my slot machine!! :97-

yeah :72- If you get your numbers wrong.....I'll guarantee ya, Stat'll chew your arse. :96-

LOL!!! :97- :97- :97-

Odds being odds but there is a bit of a difference between a lottery and a slot.....

     In a convential lottery someone is guarenteed to win, and there is a fixed (factual) payback & hold percentage.
     Slot revenues are a statiscal projection based on 10mm samples and can widely fluctuate.

     A conventional lottery will have a fixed time period. ie Starts March 1 ends March 17.
     Slots give no guarentee that they will ever payout the big prize, their only obligation is to meet the statistlly stated payouts included in the PAR and certainly no timeline.

    People tend to buy "A" ticket for a particular draw, perhaps two, or even participate in ticket pooling if there is enough media hype and the prize is big enough they then wait for the draw to be made.
    A slot is really a mini-lottery each time the hanlde is piulled. Assuming one plays in every weekly lottery at $1.00/week you are out $52/year. A slot could gobble this up in min, through its series of mini-lotteries.

   

                                                                                                       

One thing they do have in common, they both take your money!  :37-

I prefer to think of the state lottery as voulntary taxation.... with the proceeds going to a chartiable cause.

Good points, although most avid players play more than $1 per week and often play for much more when a lotto prize gets large. The prizes in a lottery are also parimutuel payouts, so the odds don't fluctuate from week to week, but the payouts do. They used to say that lotto players who played at least some numbers above 31 had a better chance of winning more money because so many people played their birthdays and such. Even though the odds of any number hitting were the same, the idea was to win in a week where fewer people than average won. I have no idea if that still holds, since players have had 20 years to get more savvy.


Another big difference between slots and scratch off games is that the largest prize may have already been claimed when you buy your ticket, so in many cases you actually may have no chance at all of winning the top prize. Most people don't check the list of winners or take that into account when buying their scratch-offs.

In the olden days of the 80's and early 90's in California, the ticket manufacturers' processes  and the lottery's computers weren't advanced enough to track all of the smaller winning tickets across the entire state, so what they did was to put an exact number of each small prize in each block of 500 tickets. There was an absolute guarantee of x dollars in prizes ranging from free tickets up to $10 or $25 or $50 (I've forgotten the highest value).

The retailer would stamp their store name, address, and ID on the back of each ticket, and all small wins had to be claimed at the store from which the ticket was purchased. This was because the lottery would actually sell the block of 500 ticket to the retailer with those prize amounts already deducted from the price, and an additional 6 percent for the retailer's profit. So the ticket generation was not random at all. The larger prizes would be more "randomly" peppered in these bundles and paid by the lottery, but there was still a record in advance of the serial number of every large winning ticket before they left the printers.

Today they have gotten sophisticated enough to distribute the smaller prizes more randomly and still track all of the serial numbers, so now a player can cash any ticket at any retailer.



The only problem is that it is usually a tax on the poor because the poor see it as a way out of their poverty, while people with more money just play to have some fun and the hope of a win. The poor also tend to be less educated, and that has also proven to be a factor in playing the lottery more heavily. Voluntary or not, the state knows these facts, though they will never admit to it. I'll leave my personal feelings about this for the rant and rave section at some other time.

The way I have it figured is that if I blow all my income on lottery tickets and still don't win I can always count on the Mayan Calendar to run out in 2012 followed by an apocalyptic event so it won't really matter.  :99-
If that fails to materialzie I can always sue the Mayans for breach of contract....  I will cash in somehow....  :25-  Anyone got a forwarding address for the Mayans ? they seem to have moved on from their last known address.....  :103-

Good one!! That made my night!! :97-

I think that they're just down that flight of rather steep stairs over there...  :5-

If you change over to a five line, five coin machine game kit, from a one line, three coin game, do you have to change the Game PROM as well as the Reel PROM?

I am not sure if a S+ can handle a multiple coin multiple line game.
I am saying this because There is no way to select the number of coins per line with the current button set on a S+.

With the standard button set on a S+ the only way to select less than max bet would be to press the bet one until you had the number of coins per line that you wanted to bet.
1 coin per line 5 times, 2 per line 10 times, 3 per line 15 times, 4 per line 20 times, 5 per line 25 times or max bet.

The Vision and S2000 reel slot need a different button deck, mulit-denomination and other hardware to do so.

Foster,
I think he means a 5C kit with a 5 line reel glass.
It's not needed to change SP (game) chips unless the reel chip and kit needs special "nudges" or "re-spins"...
Here's a way to check...Remove the reel (SS) chip from the socket and put in your new one.
Install the MPU back into the motherboard and turn the power on...when you turn the power on, you may get one of these codes listed below...follow "Clearing The Tilt" instructions to a "T" and you should be back in business.
If you get error code "68" , then you'll need the correct data (SP or Game chip) chip for your reel (SS) chip.

Tilt Code          Malfunction                                              Clearing the Tilt
61               Bad CMOS RAM             Open door and press self test button for 2 to 3 seconds.  See 61_1.
 
61_1           Game data reset            Close door and turn jackpot reset key.
 
61_2           Recoverable CMOS error  Open door and press self test button for 2 to 3 seconds.  See 61_1.
 
61_3           Hardware malfunction      Open door and press self test button for 2 to 3 seconds.  See 61_1.
 
62_0           Bad game PROM             Replace game PROM.
 
62_1           Bad data PROM              Replace data PROM.
 
65_0           Bad EEPROM device        Replace EEPROM with a blank one.
 
65_1           Bad EEPROM data           Open door and press self test button for 1 to 2 seconds.
 
65_2           Game type mismatch       Open door and press self test button for 1 to 2 seconds.
 
65_3           Game options & meters not in most current format    Recover options & meters by using correct set chip.
OR
Turn jackpot reset key to continue power-up procedure.  Game will be upgraded to most current format.  See 65_1 or 65_2.
 
66              Game PROM changed       Open door.  Turn machine off, then on.
 
67              Data PROM changed         Open door.  Turn machine off, then on.
 
68              Non-compatible data PROM   Install correct data PROM.

These codes I've listed above can be found in it's entirety on the NLG.com home page in Rick's FAQ Files.
 

 

Sorry I was thinking 5 line with 5 coin per line.
It has been a long weekend for me.
A server at work is being a pain.

Yes, that's the answer I was looking for. I now see what the game PROM is used for. I didn't quite understand it's function, but for a game change to a 5 line glass/5C wouldn't matter as long as it doesn't need any special nudges etc.. We have a 3C, 1 line red/white/blue and my Dad likes any 5C, 5 line reel glass machine. If only a reel PROM change is needed with a kit to do this, that's cool!!

Also, is that what the "TYPE 0" is referring to?

Type 0 is a normal type game no nudge, haywire, mystery reel, spin til you win, etc.

Check out this link on "Game Types"...your chip is compatible for many different kits really>>

http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gametypes.htm (http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gametypes.htm)

For what it's worth, if you have to change the SP (game) chip it's no different than changing the SS (reel) chip and no big deal to do.   :71-

I was reading about that. The only concern of mine is that I have a BV on my slot and it looks like you have to re-program it or something.

Yes ,
If you get the "65-2" code (because it's an incompatiable non-matching SP chip), then you'd have to change the SP chip....and when you do that, 9 times outta 10, you will also have to use a SET chip to re-enable your DBV. It's not a problem though, our vendors on the home page will be more than happy to sell you the correct SET chip for your games....the only question now lies is this...what chips are you using, and what chips would you like to use? That answer alone will help our vendors get you the proper chips you need to get it all running smoothly!

If you're buying stuff from a vendor, get them to add a RAM clear and a bill validator SET chip with your purchase.  Nothing to re-enabling the validator if you need to -- directions can be found here (http://www.newlifegames.net/faq1/faq.php?answer=4&cat_name=IGT%20S%20%20SLOT:%20All%20About%20Bill%20%20Validators&category_id=2#4).

Ok, here's what I was hoping to do, but I can't find the DA** thing!! I currently have a triple red/white/blue machine S+ Round Top, 3 Coin 1 Line. I am looking to get a 5 Coin 5 Reel Line game kit, preferably Cat's n Dog's. From what I have read and correct me if I am wrong, doing this would only require the reel PROM chip to be changed correct? However, everybody has one or the other of this kit, but no one has the complete kit for a round top. If all else fails, I was going to get a Triple Cherry kit, 3 Coin 1 Line, which I know only requires the reel PROM to be changed.

5 Aces, it sounds like you're on the right track.

Just to note, you really should never see a 68 code. It means that there is something wrong with the chip (damaged, etc.). Usually you will see either the 66, 67 or one of the 61 or 62 codes. If you see a 65-2 code, it means that the game chip isn't the right one for your game (a type 0 game chip with a nudge game, etc.)

Also, buying game kits is like buying slot machines: you can't buy just one. I strongly suggest that you get a SET026 (or SET015) along with an IVC103 clear. If you even ever intend on installing a progressive in your machine, you might also want to pick up a SET090 as well.

Most folks get the SET015, but the SET026 supports penny denominations in SP (Game) chips that allow it (not all do). Setting your dbv to a penny allows you to have tons of credits with little cash. Other than that, the two chips are basically the same for the home user.

Thanks for the info! I see what everybody means when they talk about having tons of kits! I can't wait until the one I want becomes available....

Yes 5Aces,
Statfreak saw my error....I meant to say that if you see "65-2" that means the chips are not made for each other.
"68" means the chip is " :18-"!

The game chip generally does not need to be changed unless you are changing the "TYPE" of game that you are running.
A 1271 game chip would be able to run a 1 coin, 2 coin, 3 coin and 5 coin game.
Now if you are changing to a game that is of the Haywire or Spin to you Win Variety then the game chip has to be changed.

IMO

68 = Game Prom does not match your Reel Prom .. need to have the correct game TYPE eprom installed.

62 = Game Prom is fried.

NO! IT's still good!  It's NOT fried....   Follow the notes posted above or in Rick's FAQ's!!!!

Try it again, it's sometimes just an error of an error....even error codes can be wrong sometimes.
If you definelty cannot get out of 62-0, then yes, it's screwed...Did you at any point take it out or put it in while the machines power was on?
I screwed up one eprom that way when I started out... :8-

I never did get any error code and I made sure the power was off when I pulled the board out. I think somewhere in the posts, someone was explaining what can happen if you mix/match the reel and game proms. For the purpose of my situation, I'm not going to have to change the game prom, so as of now, life is good!!