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Title: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 16, 2013, 03:55:05 PM
Just picked up this machine for $200. I have tried to do searches on this version of the players edge and came up with almost nothing..

- Everything works fine.. Screen has burn but not too bad. (No sound.. even after adjusting the small volume knob.)

Can anyone chime in about this unit?

How much is it worth?

Can a new/newer screen be installed easily?

Heres some pictures: (note: hopper was removed for the pictures)
Only let me put up 2 pics. Let me know if any other pictures are needed.

THANKS!,
Harvey

 


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('83 IGT) - Info Needed
Post by: Harvs on March 16, 2013, 04:00:49 PM
More..


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 17, 2013, 03:28:43 PM
Anyone?  :103-

Any info would help.. Cant find a darn thing about this machine anywhere..

Thanks


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Joeylc on March 17, 2013, 03:31:26 PM
This is a IGT Fortune 1 same as the draw poker .......


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 17, 2013, 03:45:27 PM
Thank you!

Any tips on getting the sound to work? Turning the volume knob on the lower board just makes a static sound while being turned.


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: CommTech on March 17, 2013, 04:55:17 PM
Hi Harvey,

Let me preface this by letting you know that I have no experience with the Fortune One machines, but I will do what I can to help.

When you say you hear static when turning the volume knob ... Is it fairly loud or very faint?
Make sure both the wires connecting the speaker are secure.  
Do you have a multimeter to use for testing?  
With the power OFF, If you connect one side of your meter to ground (chassis?) and do a resistance check,  One of the speaker terminals should read between 8 and 16 ohms.  The other terminal should show a short to ground.

Next, Take a look at the board that the volume control is attached to and make sure all of the connectors are secure.

If you can post a close up Clear and detailed picture of that Sound board (the one that the volume knob is attached to) that would help.

 :211-


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 17, 2013, 06:16:23 PM
Hi Commtech,

The static sound only is heard when I slowly turn the volume knob.., Once the volume is either all the way down or all the way up it will make a static sound (similar to the sound of unplugging a home stereo speaker and plugging it back in while music is playing).

I do not have a multimeter as of now. I recently dove into the slot collecting hobby and plan on purchasing numerous tools/equip soon. I'm going pro! haha

Here are a few photos showing the volume control and the chips saying 'sound'

Thank you for taking the time to help.

Harvey


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: CommTech on March 17, 2013, 06:45:24 PM
How are the wires attached to that board?  Is there an edge connector or are they soldered on?
If there is an edge connector, check to see if it is attached securely to the board.

Once you get the multimeter, we can proceed further.
You don't have to spend a lot on a Multimeter. You can find inexpensive ones for under $20 that will do the job for you.



Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 17, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
Soldered on..

I will purchase a multimeter tomorrow and test it.

Thx


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 19, 2013, 02:48:49 PM
How are the wires attached to that board?  Is there an edge connector or are they soldered on?
If there is an edge connector, check to see if it is attached securely to the board.

Once you get the multimeter, we can proceed further.
You don't have to spend a lot on a Multimeter. You can find inexpensive ones for under $20 that will do the job for you.


Tested. It shows 8.


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: CommTech on March 19, 2013, 08:11:17 PM
Good! So you measured 8 ohms to ground. That would indicate you have a good speaker.  :89-

Next comes the fun part ... I am going to have you do some measurements on the sound board. I know that it's mounted upside down under the monitor shelf so this may be a bit tricky for you.

Now in order for me to show you where I want you to measure from, I am going to need a few more pictures of the Sound board so I can see all of the components and the Edge Wiring.

See if you can get me at least one clear and detailed picture from directly below the sound board (so the picture appears to be looking straight down) so it shows the entire board with all four corners including the edge wiring.
 


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 19, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
Ok. I tried to zoom out as much as I could. I can take 2 half pictures if needed.

Another thing to add is that when I turn the machine off or on there is static noise coming through the speakers also.. I didn't mention that from the start. It seems there is simply no sound being produced from the sound board?. I even wiggled the connector to see if maybe it was a bad connection and nothing. - Is there a reset with the fortune I? The game never shows a main screen, it simply sits at the last hand played until coins are inserted.. Maybe someone can chime in about that.

I'm ready for the fun part!! Soldering iron in hand!!  :79- hahaah

Thx

-- I can remove the board to take more detailed pictures also-- Just lmk


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: CommTech on March 19, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
I need to see more detail. Higher Resolution would help.
The First picture you posted is a good resolution with good detail.  :89-
If I can see several pictures in sections that would be OK also.
One of the Pics needs to clearly show the wiring to the board.  That is were I will have you start.
Could there be a plug underneath the board that connects with the rest of the machine?  :103-
The block diagram I have shows TEN circuit connections coming off that board.  :103-
I can only see a couple of wires from those pictures.  :103-


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 19, 2013, 10:07:17 PM
I need to see more detail. Higher Resolution would help.
The First picture you posted is a good resolution with good detail.  :89-
If I can see several pictures in sections that would be OK also.
One of the Pics needs to clearly show the wiring to the board.  That is were I will have you start.
Could there be a plug underneath the board that connects with the rest of the machine?  :103-
The block diagram I have shows TEN circuit connections coming off that board.  :103-
I can only see a couple of wires from those pictures.  :103-
on it.. one sec


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 19, 2013, 10:22:28 PM
Here we go.. I carefully took the board out.



Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 19, 2013, 10:23:11 PM
and finally, the plug


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 19, 2013, 10:31:19 PM
Here we go.. I carefully took the board out.


There is only one plug that connects to this board.. 4 wires total.


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: proten on March 19, 2013, 10:54:26 PM
In picture #8 the input ribbon cable is missing.


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 19, 2013, 11:11:43 PM
In picture #8 the input ribbon cable is missing.
Is there a specific place that you know of on this machine where the ribbon cable for the sound board comes from? I see no loose wires.

Thanks for your input!



Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 19, 2013, 11:30:48 PM
Other then a few cut wires that connect to the hopper, these wires that run from the upper board to the display are also cut.. Are these supposed to run to the sound board which is a few inches away?


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: CommTech on March 19, 2013, 11:35:22 PM
Yes indeed. What you have in your hand is the Power Source (115 Volts AC) input to the board And the Speaker output.  :89-
No input wiring.  :60-  That empty socket as Proton pointed out is were the ribbon cable from the motherboard plugs into.  :89-


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: CommTech on March 19, 2013, 11:37:46 PM
Other then a few cut wires that connect to the hopper, these wires that run from the upper board to the display are also cut.. Are these supposed to run to the sound board which is a few inches away?

If those are ribbon wires, then perhaps they are.  I can't tell by the picture. 


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 20, 2013, 12:00:13 AM
Yes indeed. What you have in your hand is the Power Source (115 Volts AC) input to the board And the Speaker output.  :89-
No input wiring.  :60-  That empty socket as Proton pointed out is were the ribbon cable from the motherboard plugs into.  :89-
Is there a way to fix this?, Parts for this oldy have to be hard to come by.. - Or maybe I will have to pull a MacGyver to get this darn sound working?

Appreciate all the help!


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 20, 2013, 12:04:18 AM
Other then a few cut wires that connect to the hopper, these wires that run from the upper board to the display are also cut.. Are these supposed to run to the sound board which is a few inches away?

If those are ribbon wires, then perhaps they are.  I can't tell by the picture. 
Yup, ribbon wires.. Do you know the name to this wire/harness?


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: CommTech on March 20, 2013, 12:10:52 AM
I would call it the Fortune One "Motherboard to Soundboard Input wiring harness (with 16 Pin DIP Plugs on each end)".

We have a lot of surplus vendors here.  I would post a "WTB Fortune One Soundboard wiring harness" and perhaps one of our awesome vendors may have one.  :89-


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on March 20, 2013, 12:15:14 AM
Will do.  Thank you for all your help!  :131-

This site rocks!

Harvey


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on April 23, 2013, 01:45:51 AM
Here are a few pictures showing the connections. I will also post pictures of another members Fortune 1 wiring. Am I missing the actual sound input/connection on the back board?

I am going fishing this wkend, this machine may be coming with...?...

Thanks Commtech


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on April 23, 2013, 01:50:36 AM
Now here is a picture from another member of the connection from a fortune 1 with working sound..

Seems the board in the photo has different connector layouts.



Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on April 23, 2013, 01:56:41 AM
I am just reading up on the fortune 1 schematics a bit more.

Should have this sound thing figured out in no time!



Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: jay on April 23, 2013, 03:56:36 AM
You may also be interested in this link.
I believe the Fortune 1 uses Ceronix monitors.
note the $45 flat price repair.

http://ceronix.com/products_warranty.html (http://ceronix.com/products_warranty.html)


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: CommTech on April 23, 2013, 08:36:25 AM
Here are a few pictures showing the connections. I will also post pictures of another members Fortune 1 wiring. Am I missing the actual sound input/connection on the back board?

I am going fishing this wkend, this machine may be coming with...?...

Thanks Commtech

If the 16 Pin Dip socket (on the motherboard) that you are showing in the pic is your monitor connection, then according to the block diagram, there should be another 16 pin DIP socket somewhere on your Motherboard for the sound board connection.  Clearly it is not going to be in the same spot as the picture you posted from another Fortune One machine. Looks like a different Motherboard layout.

If you trace the open wires back you should find your sound socket on the Motherboard.


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on April 23, 2013, 11:07:33 AM
Here are a few pictures showing the connections. I will also post pictures of another members Fortune 1 wiring. Am I missing the actual sound input/connection on the back board?

I am going fishing this wkend, this machine may be coming with...?...

Thanks Commtech

If the 16 Pin Dip socket (on the motherboard) that you are showing in the pic is your monitor connection, then according to the block diagram, there should be another 16 pin DIP socket somewhere on your Motherboard for the sound board connection.  Clearly it is not going to be in the same spot as the picture you posted from another Fortune One machine. Looks like a different Motherboard layout.

If you trace the open wires back you should find your sound socket on the Motherboard.

I think my motherboard does not have the 'sound' output.. It only has SCA, VIDEO, AUX, and MATRIX outputs. Think i'm SOL with getting this sound to work. Unless someone has a board that has the proper connections on it.


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: CommTech on April 23, 2013, 09:17:53 PM
You machine has the sound board and the wires (cut, but present), but the wrong motherboard? :103-
So apparently the motherboard you have is not the original motherboard for the machine?  :25-

I did not know IGT made a Fortune One version with no sound.  Very Strange!  :103-

Was the 16 pin plug cut off the other end of the sound cable as well?


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: Harvs on April 23, 2013, 10:06:24 PM
You machine has the sound board and the wires (cut, but present), but the wrong motherboard? :103-
So apparently the motherboard you have is not the original motherboard for the machine?  :25-

I did not know IGT made a Fortune One version with no sound.  Very Strange!  :103-

Was the 16 pin plug cut off the other end of the sound cable as well?
Not cut from the output.. It seems the motherboard does not have a sound output. The video output is a 16 pin that runs to the monitor connection and at that point only 6 of the wires are used. The rest are cut. From the schematics, the monitor only uses 6 wires from the video output. You would think it would say 'video/sound' on the mother board if that 16 pin output was used for both..

I don't know shat about the Fortune 1's and have gotten any other input from others so.. May take it fishing and see how long it can hold it's breath.


Title: Re: Players Edge 21 ('85 IGT) - Info Needed Please
Post by: deuce23 on April 24, 2013, 02:34:33 AM
Harvey,

What are the model numbers on the motherboard (looks like 263) and the processor board?  It doesn't look like there are actually that many wires being used out of that ribbon cable that go to the sound board.  I'll try and get a close look at my boards and see where they lead to.

Thanks
Brian