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Hello from New Zealand

I have a Joker Wild machine and would like to ask what model it is as i would like to find a parts/service manual for it.

Photos attached

I am pretty sure it's not a PE or PE+
The monitor is too big and there is no sidebar glass.

The unit does not appear to have a bill validator
It might be an older fortune I or fortune Ii as that would be consistent with the vintage.
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On either the side of the machine or on the glass say IGT, AC or Sigma ?

Hi Jay,

As far as i know it says IGT Imperial up the top, its definitely an IGT machine, this i do know.

Do i need to post some better pictures?

Dan

An inside shot of the system with the door open.
Then a close up shot of one of the system boards.
There may be one or two.

Hi, Only 1 board

I've attached some pictures of the machine.

I'm also getting an error on another board that i have tried in this same machine.

"Expanded I.O faulty"

any ideas?

More pics

Mother board pic

super great condition for the machine .

 NOTICE  NO >>ON BOARD BATTERY<<< -USES A DALLAS TIME CLOCK CHIP

main board looks newer than rest of machine .

Cheers, the machine is in very good condtion, i'm guessing a DALLAS TIME CLOCK CHIP is a good thing haha.

I have another board "Blue moon" which i want to play but it has the error "Expanded I.O Fault" have you any ideas what this good be? do you also know what model i have? i'm guessing its a New Zealand/Australia type of Video Poker.

I know many on the forum know the exact name of the IGT poker you have .
it looks like the Australia model to me . it just plays one game of poker the green board is not the mother board its the Main Board that plugs into the mother board so you know . i have not read the entire post .just looked at pictures close - on  the main board look for a year of manufacture ? -----1989?--1992  or the board could of been replaced with a newer model  is super clean --plus the chips on the board a close up of the chips that say IGT color white would be>>>> marked and dated <<<<
--XO-- PE--PX -these MRO -MXO-MG0-- they will say something like IGT MXO then a date etc ..

Can't actually see a date but i can see MRO-MXO-MGO can you tell me more about the functions of these 3 chips? also do you know anything of the error "Expanded I.O Faulty"

Goodluck on your machine . as I advise anyone who gets a machine be it slot or poker or multigame or arcade game .
DO WHAT YOUR DOING >>TAKE PILES OF PICTURES OF THE MAIN BOARD << CLOSE UPS .

The inside of machine various points inside where plugs plug into each other etc .. then save the Digital camera simm card and put them on your home P.C. etc  copy down the numbers of the DALLAS CHIP -ITS A BATTERY/CLOCK  -you cant toss in any Dallas chip if yours fails .. as far as the white chips marked IGT  there is a notch on one end -if you pull out the chip or re seat the chip -DONT BEND THE LEGS OF CHIP -and copy down the numbers on them and the positions on board . as far as the notch on any chip when removed it has to be replaced in same position . or you risk data loss if powered up installed backwards .

this is all for reference when you take it apart for a repair and forget where what plug goes or button is put together etc etc you have a picture for reference to go back to . plus its a great way of identification purposes because on a 20 inch computer display you can see things the naked eye cannot ..
Rocket

the white colored chips mro -mxo etc are the game software chips for the joker poker ---OOPS SORRY JOKERS WILD
if thats the game it actually plays right now with the glass thats in it

Thanks for the advice Rocket.

no problem glad to of helped .. I gave you a pos Karma a thing we do for each other if they helped you out etc or posted a good article etc Like your pictures of the old poker machine etc -- it realy means nothing some take it personal others dont care ..

welcome aboard NEW LIFE GAMES ..
Now tell us the real story about the machine lol
seriously --its fun to hear how you obtained it ? where your located etc ..
do you have experience on machines ?? the basic .. dont need to know the last time you #@&^%$% lol
do you have other machines or plan on getting more ??
I am being "NOSY"  what did you pay fotr the Jokers wild ?? in U.S. dollar ??

Excellent i love Karma,

I've been playing around with machines for about 12 years and had numerous games over the years too many to list, currently i only have the Joker wild but i'm building up my collection again with two machines being collected this Sunday. The video poker machine i have now was purchased from an elderly couple that had the dealing speed set to the slowest speed setting, they didnt want the game so i took it off them for 120USD, they did however have 12 other machines to keep them busy in their miniture casino.

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Good deal for 120.00 bucks ..

go back to the old folks home and grab the 12 other machines  :89- :89- :89- :89- :89-
when you have time no hurry -I am just curious post a picture with top award glass out .

 
I would like to see whats behind the top award glass ??
there are no dark blue identification tags from IGT on the inside of cabinet ?
or down on bottom front where the coin tray is facing the machine ??
or on right side facing machine on outside of cabinet . or a spot where 4 rivets were located once ??
you may find a old IGT TAG ID PLATE ETC .. hidden behind the top glass or "SECRET" doccuments lol  :5- :5- :5- :5- :5-

Or stacks of 100.00 U.S. BILLS or other currency ??old people hide there money in strange places ..
if you find anything over 100.00 U.S. DOLLARS   dont forget your old pal "Rocket" lol
50/50 split  :3- :3- :3- :3- :3- :3- :3-
have a great weekend
Rocket

Jay or Knagl is probably going to be the experts here, but I'll take a few guesses.  Based on the picture of the MPU, I believe the chips are as follows:

A = MRO, MBO and MXO, which are the graphic chips.  There should also be an MGO?
B = Is that the MGO chip?
C = The color prom (CAPROM)
D = Game chip (Jokers Wild)

As for the error message, "Expanded I.O Faulty", I'm guessing there is another small board somewhere that is either disconnected or bad.  For example, the MPU board you took out probably pushes into another board behind it (the motherboard).  From the motherboard, there will be cable harnesses that connect to yet another board somewhere else in the machine (probably behind a metal enclosure/casing).  That board may also be a plug-in and may have become slightly ajar and disconnected causing the error.  A gentle pull to remove the board and push to reinsert may solve the problem. 

NOTE: Never do any of this while the power is on.  Always turn off the power and take precaution to avoid static electrical discharge (touch the cabinet first).

Hope these best guesses help!  Congrats on your new baby.   :88-

:Dave

The board looks primitive. I know that it is before their Multi-Star machines which are the equivalent to the US GameKing.  The Multi-Star uses the same MPU, the 035, and later 038 board. The backplane and I/Os  are different though. That being said, it looks like the New Zealand/ Australian equivalent to a PE+.  They do not always use the same stuff as the US  in their different New Zealand/ Australian models.
I believe that after the Multi-Star they came out with what they called the GU-4.  It's the New Zealand/ Australian equivalent to the US  3902 based GameKing, but the board is very different.
Hope this helps.
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This is not a classic PE board.
Chips are in different spots.
And as you pointed out one of the graphics chips would appear to be missing.
I also don't see a CMOS chip on the board.

Right, definitely not a PE plus board.  What I was meaning was that it is of the same era and probably an  Australian/ New Zealand varient for that market which would be equivalent to the PE+ even though the hardware is different.

E~

Hi Rocket,

No that i think about it there is 4 holes on the side of the cabinet, seems like the I.d tag has been removed.

I'll take a photo of space in between the award glass tonight, ive had it out before but no treasures unfortunatly :(

Back to work for me,

Hi Dave,

Thanks for info i'm start to learn quite alot about my machine and in response, yes there is a MGO chip.

Question: Are the graphic chips specific to each game? or can i put another Game chip in and use the same MPU?

The reason i ask is I have the working Joker poker but i also have 2 extra MPU boards that are the same as the one i've uploaded on this post.

Board # 1 "Bluemoom" has the I.O error when stick it in the Joker wild machine itself so i think maybe the problem lies where one of the cables input into this board?

Board # 2 "Castaway" starts up but just gives me a blurry pink screen? could this be the caprom chip you spoke of?

Cheers

Dan

Hi,

I've owned a couple of the GU4's but this is definitly an earlier model, say 1995.

Thanks for your input though.

Dan

Rocket mentioned this board uses a "DALLAS TIME CLOCK CHIP"

If you're going from one poker game to another poker game, chances are good that you can get away with the same graphics chips, since IGT generally put the card graphics in the same memory locations on the chips (and even sometimes had the Joker graphics and "WILD" (for Deuces Wild) stuff in the graphics chips, even if the game didn't call for them.

If you're wanting to put a slot ("pokie") game in, however, then more than likely the graphics chips you have that have playing cards on them will not work as they won't contain the correct images for the slot game.

Okay now i understand a bit more, on the note of the card images. I'd love to know how to re-program the chip and change the image. I'm guessing that would be a mission??

You'd have to read the chips in a chip burner/reader and then reverse engineer them.  It'd be more of an undertaking than the average person would want to try to get in to, I'm sure.  If you're particularly computer savvy, it could be done.  I've seen it done, but don't have the slightest idea personally how to do it.

Yeah i think i'll leave it standard. Do you have any thoughts on the error i get when i insert the other boards "Expanded I.O faulty"

The blue moon game comes up but it says call attendant "Exapanded I.O faulty"

No idea, sorry.  That's not a typical PE or PE+ error.  Is there an expansion (secondary) board on that board?  I'm just grasping at straws, unfortunately.

Hi, no theres not there just that board and the mother board.

I'll have a closer look at where the plugs go in, perhaps there is a damaged pin.

Also I have another board and when i insert it all i get just a blurry colored screen do you have any clues on that?

Cheers for help by the way.

I'm sorry, I wish I did.

If the boards are all physically the same, and you have a working board, you could try putting the software from the non-working boards on to your working board to troubleshoot whether the issues with the other two boards are problems with the software, or problems with the other two boards.  Carefully remove the working software chips from your working board, and replace them with the software chips from your questionable boards (one game set at a time, obviously).

On an IGT Player's Edge Plus, the chips that need to be removed/changed for a game change are the MRO, MGO, MBO, MXO (graphics chips), the CAP(X) (color pallet chip), and the GAME and DATA (if applicable) chips.

I would suggest documenting exactly which chips are in which sockets, and the direction of the chips (the notches in the chips must align with the notches in the sockets) before removing any chips.  You may wish to take some detailed pictures of the current state of the chips in your boards before removing any chips so you have some future reference when you try to put everything back where it was.

Of course, there is a minor risk involved in this.  You could potentially physically damage a chip when removing it from its socket, and you could potentially make your machine unplayable if you wind up needing some kind of clear chip that you don't have to restore the machine to working order after a game change.  I'm not trying to scare you off from doing this, but I do want to make sure that you're aware of the potential risks.

I have 2 more machines that are the same arriving soon, these have monitor issues so i guess i'll wait to they arrive, i love the Joker wild to much to break it haha.

Thanks for the support, i have a much better understaing of the workings of the chip/boards now.

Dan

Here is a photo of the error and the board anyway.

Picture of error

Fixed the blurry screen problem, there was 2 bent pins on the input plug.

That board looks very similar to a PE+.  I would be interested in trying to emulate this in MAME sometime if you want to contact me via PM.

If there is a self-test button on the machine somewhere, press it while the door is open (and the game is running).  You should be able to navigate through the setup screens with the deck buttons and the self-test button to change pages.
There is probably and option to turn off the "Expanded IO" which may clear your message.

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I was not around last night to get involved in this more ..
I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT REMOVE ANY CHIPS FROM THE WORKING BOARD ..
as Kevin mentioned also you run the risk of losing EVERYTHING !!

YOU HAVE A WORKING MACHINE THAT WORKS .. LEAVE IT ALONE !!
if you raided the old folks home for 2 more machines then try your :GUESS TESTING ON ONE OF THOSE
I have seen to many times a member has a working machine and says what happens if i press this button when machine is on ??
they are told "NOT TO PRESS BUTTON "  but they end up pressing this button and the machine dies ..
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IT REMINDS ME OF THE OLD CANDID CAMERA DAYS .. PUT A GUY OR GAL IN A ROOM WITH NO WINDOWS --SAY YOU WILL BE BACK IN 15 MINUTES ..
 BUT DO NOT PRESS THAT BUTTON ON TABLE .. WITHIN 5 MINUTES OF THE DEPARTURE OF THE LEADER .
THE PERSON LOOKS AT BUTTON THEN PRESSES IT LOL THEN SIRENS GO OFF AND RED BLU LIGHTS ETC .. LEAVE THE WORKING MACHINE WORKING ..

when the other machines come then test out your other boards on them they may work fine ..
I would also not pull the known good working board and place it in the other machines you get .they may have a power supply problem and you dont want to cook the good working board on non working machines .
dont forget you obtained these most likely because they were not daily drivers --IF THEY WERE WORKING MACHINES MOST PEOPLE KEEP SOMETHING THAT WORKS -THEY GET RID OF SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT WORK .

 NO $$$ HIDDEN BEHIND AWARDS GLASS HUH ?? MAYBE THE NEXT TWO WILL ??

 I LOVE GETTING A MACHINE THAT HAS A 1/2 FULL CASH CAN .. THOSE ARE BETTER HITS THAN BEING AT CASINO .
I PURCHASED A PALLET LOAD OF MERIT COUNTER TOP GAMES IN 2005-6 FROM CO. I THINK THERE WERE 12 MACHINES ON PALLET  WITH THE MARS SERIES 2000 DBV W/CASH CANS
NO KEYS TO ANY OF THEM .AFTER I GOT INTO THEM I RAKED IN A TOTAL OF 368.00 BUCKS -COVERED MY SHIPPING COST ..

GOODLUCK ON THE NEXT 2 MACHINES
Rocket

I AGREE WITH  STOLISTIC TRY THE WHITE TEST BUTTON WITH DOORV OPEN .

IT WILL BRING  YOU THROUGH SETTINGS . VIA THE BUTTONS BET DEAL ETC
MY STORY ABOVE ABOUT THE BUTTON PRESSER :97- :97- :97- :97- :97- HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS POST .. ITS JUST A REMINDER TO DONT MESS WITH A WORKING MACHINE ..

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Hi guys,

No luck with the self test button. I will wait for the broken machines and then have more of a play around. I will leave my working machine alone :)

Also Rocket there was no treasures behind the top glass, i didn't take a photo as there was only some florescent lights behind there! nothing interesting.