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Picked up these 2 machines today, going to have my hands full with them, their in pretty bad shape. Was thinking of maybe doing a step by step resto guide with pics, showing how to remove rust from the chrome, & some tips for getting all the bits & pieces up to par.

Yuck, good luck with your project.  That motherboard in the picture might be shot if it was under water.  :(

They look good from outside --inside i agree with KNAG looks like they  took a dip underwater -salt water at that . gives a more prounounced rust --being the nosy person I am where did you dig those up ??. no pun intended ..no way can that mother board be any good if it comes out in one piece .
goodluck on the mission .. the 5-line red wht blu is a fun game hits frequently with a high % chip

Picked them up from a buddy of mine. I finished restoring the interior of the red white & blue today. It was the badly rusted one, ended up gutting it out, sand blasting & refinishing it. Ill post a pic of the end results.

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That's amazing!  Great job!!   :244-  :131-

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SUPER JOB SLAM !!!!
VERY IMPRESSED ..

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE EXPERIENCE IN PAINTING & REPAIR ETC .

for members who have not restored machines before - time consuming to  sandblast /meteror blast /bead blast etc lots of fun when you notice "SLAMS" before & after pics

that is one heck of a before & after --outcome and time consuming .
 very rewarding feeling and fun ----the clear coat really makes it shine !!!

you should take the next one you find remove the laminate on outside of cabinet and do up a awesome paint job

A round /top is a great specimen to do a practice run on --de laminate the cabinet clean off the goo & glue - prep it -paint it a nice dark cherry color with gold pinstrips off the top from candle down -even if you had a MUNSTERS THEME MACHINE ? based on the 5X pay theme
dark green colored glass in dark cherry r/t cabinet painted with several clear coats -get rid of the IGT candle and mount
 a "real looking" lighted plastic candle with gold pinstripes dripping down from candle on round top with a few spider webs small in size in ight green color . that react to "black lights "you have a cool looking machine -wow almost sounds like its been done already . no harm in passing on ideas
Rocket

Thank you.  Those are some really good ideas, I most definitely will apply them to this next one. I rescued a Triple Diamond to from certain destruction. It has been lying on its back on a pallet, outside, uncovered for the last couple months. It is by far the worst one I have acquired to date. The remaining wood on it is all bloated & will need to be replaced. I will replace it with cabinet grade ply which will make painting it a breeze. The inside is not half bad, all things considered. Alot of rust, spiders, & a few snake eggs (yep... you heard me right, "Snake Eggs"). LOL I'll post some pics as I progress on it.

Triple Diamond resto

Wow!  Brutalized.  Good luck with the project!

Jason

WOW. Slam.  And all that time I was looking for a 16" 3 coin  TD  top glass and sparkly strips they were just lying on there backs . GO FIGURE ????   P.B.

your triple diamond is a interesting looking machine looks like a production run of 1989 or possible 1990 .
 I notice a few things . is it a S-MODEL OR S+ ?
easy way open door see if the main board has 3 molex plugs going  to main board center in back of hopper --NOT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE EARLY S+

If it has two long black molex plugs in from top & one from lower left its a "S" SERIES IGT & has a reg light bulb on belly pan lower left and hard meters on left with imbedded speaker

next is what is the VGA 15-PIN OR 9-PIN SERIAL DB-9 CABLE IN THE OPEN AREA TO RIGHT OF REELS ?? what did that power or provide video display to ??

Rocket

Rocket, Actually, that cabinet is a post 1993.  Can tell by the top trim.  What is strange, it's using an earlier button panel casting.  Looks like a mismatch of parts, button casting used from 1985 to 1993, and a cabinet that looks newer than that.  However, there is also something strange in the way of that art work in the middle of that casting, makes it even more mysterious. 

BTW, to tell an S game from an S-Plus without looking inside, there is one dead giveaway.  On the earlier S gamesw, the coin head casting has a coin return button, one you pish down, in event of a coin jam.  Starting with the S-Plus in 1989, they did away with the coin return button, as everything was moving to coin comparitors at the time.  But beside that, everything was the same in appearance from the outside.

thanks for the info and NO DISRESPECT but I am well aware of the normal looking models of
IGT  S OR S+ I have detailed pictures of a S series in my profile pictures that I believe were used on the forum in a topic "S" OR "S+" helping out a member 4 -5 years ago identify what he had  -when i brokered a deal of  250 to 300 of them and kept one for myself.   I was assuming which I know I am not wrong are the other points you pointed out the coin head assembly etc but that could have been changed easily enough  the original BUTTONS were also different  S-SERIES it had a poker style button or PE  poker style button also on S series many S SERIES  -- were painted cabinets vs the laminate . not saying all were painted cabinets for the critical post pickers .
then to confuse matters worse they were retro fit by many casino's with the "SIDE CAR" DBV ON rt side since many built near the end of the 80's were pre wired for them .
check out the pictures on my profile of the unmolested S series the man who passed away that i brokered the casino items purchased 300 of them 1 year old at the time --my memory was 1987 he had and added some 89's .. spent thousands & had millions into his game room . it was a heart breaker to tell him while he was going liquid before he passed away that the 1100.00 he paid each for the IGT S-SERIES IN CHOP TOP AND 16 INCH he had  at the time . they were only worth what a basic game kit was worth today . 25.00 to 50.00----- bucks each .
that single S-SERIES I have runs daily with all the rest . its just limited on games that can be played because the RS# on the newer S+ GAMES never existed .. 

Its a s+ dated 4/94. the cable you see in there is for the BV. I managed to get the machine gutted out today, unfortunately the chrome on the door is not salvageable. I'm going to sand it down, etch prime it, & paint it black with some striping to match the glass. 

its to bad you did not take a picture of the door open . because there are to many little things that dont add up on that picture
with years posted .
the payline glass does not look like it goes all the way across ? the DBV  up in the reel section ?not under reel glass on rt .

does the belly glass come out from the inside of the door in front of the bulb  or does it have  flip open belly door  ?


the serial cable there period for a dbv ? or was it for player tracking ? points card etc .
the later model trim on top box with what looks like a early button deck panel ?
are all the parts inside as they would be for a s+ with the mpu on back cabinet straight back if door open or on left side door open ?

heres a few pics for ya.

Here's the bv that slides in to the right of the reels

a couple of the inside

OK ITS A S+ THAT PART IS CLEARED UP ALSO  CLEARS IT UP THE MPU IS  ON LEFT SIDE OF DOOR NOT STRAIGHT BACK ..
 
ITS A OLDER MACHINE NOT POST 93

PRE 93 BECAUSE THE GIVEAWAY IN THE FIRST PICTURE FACING IT HEAD ON IS THE COIN RINGER/DEFLECTOR METAL SQUARE TAB IN MIDDLE OF  DOOR /COIN TRAY IN PICTURE  THEY PUT THOSE ON THE "S" SERIES & EARLY S-PLUS SERIES  -MACHINE DOORS SO THE COIN HITS THE METAL AND IT DEFLECTS TO BOWL AND RINGS OUT REEL LOUD .

 IF YOU READ A COPY OF  IGT'S MARKETTING PROGRAM LITERATURE??? >>>>>>HOW TO ATTRACT A PLAYER<<<<<<
TO PLAY A MACHINE MAKE THE SOUND OF COIN HITTING TRAY LOUDER . THEY ADDED THE METAL DEFLECTOR SO COIN HIT THAT AS IT SPIT OUT FROM HOPPER TO RING LOUD ALONG WITH HITTING THE TRAY

THE BUTTONS ARE NOT CORRECT FOR THE YEAR THEY HAVE BEEN SWAPPED OUT .


PLUS I ALREADY KNOW FROM REVIEWING THE FIRST PICTURE THE BELLY GLASS COMES OUT FROM THE DOOR OPEN IN FRONT OF BULB NOT THE FLIP DOWN DOOR ON LATER DOOR DESIGNS -THANKS FOR THE PICTURES
I  HAVE NEVER SEEN A >>>>>>EARLY MODEL<<<<<< LIKE THAT EVER WITH THE
>>>>>>DBV IMBEDDED IN THE REEL GLASS AREA <<<<<.
IF YOU WANT SLAM?? SO I DONT HIJACK YOUR THREAD ????? CAN POST  PICTURES OF A 1989 S-SERIES CHOP TOP
AND A 1991 S+ SERIES 16-INCH TOP BOTH WITH MPU IN DIFF SPOTS THE S-SERIES IS STRAIGHT BACK BEHIND HOPPER WITH THE 3-MOLEX PLUGS THAT ACTUALLY PLUG INTO BOARD RS CHIP MODEL ONLY . AND THE S-PLUS SERIES WITH SIDE LEFT CABINET MOUNTED MAIN BOARD .

JUST SAY OK SO I DONT HI JACK THE THREAD SLAM -SO MEMBERS CAN SEE THE DIFF DESIGNS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ALONG WITH THE EARLY STYLE BUTTONS YOU SHOULD HAVE ON THAT MACHINE .

""UNLESS IT WAS A CANADA MACHINE"" LOL THEY DO THINGS FUNNY UP THERE LOL ==KIDDING

SLAM ____Just a follow up you will notice that style machine the triple diamond is made a bit lighter than the others .
its not because it was a cruise ship model its just the design of the slot for the year period of time etc .the 16 inch top models actualy flexed a little left to rt 
the only trouble those had that was very common is the molex plugs on the M/B on the left side of cabinet would loosen up and get burnt contacts . I have around 15 of those still in use today . some had the DBV RETRO FIT --The Side Car model I mentioned in the  previous part of this thread -others I removed the side car DBV just because I like coin only on some ..
Also if  heavy use of machine the wires going to the side mounted Main board  would  get a bare wire -


Other thing is the transformer area there should be a small black plastic cover for coins that overshoot the hopper on a full hopper they land right on top of the electric terminals and then poof a fuse pops if your lucky ?

so if you dont have one -i have seen many a machine come in that had a home made piece of plastic or rubber mat cut and taped over the transformer so it does not happen -the coin that overshoots a full hopper or just fly's down the coin head and misses the hopper and hits the back wall of machine to land on the transformer connections & arc welding happens .

  ok.  I would be interested in seeing the comparison as well.  Thank you for all the info.

SLAM -later today I will post the pictures . I have a call to duty right now -- cant play sorry
wife has auto trouble on brand new car .. probably ran out of gas ---:97- :97- :97- :97- :97- :97-

Wow, being made in 1994, this had to be one of the last S-Pluses made with the old casting.  And yes, the buttons have been changed out for the newer embedded bill acceptor type of button panel.  Also the latest production cabinet I have seen where the board is on the left hand side.

As for the bill acceptor, notice how the reel glass deviates from typical IGT?  There were a couple aftermarket sellers back then that were offering update kits to put a B/V in the older machines, the new idea after the box on the right side had been sold for awhile from these same suppliers. 
the newer kit came with a short reel glass to replace the original, and the insert for the dollar acceptor.  notice the dollar acceptor is using the same displays that came with the machine.

I love old IGT history!

OK HERE WE GO THE FIRST PICTURES ARE A 1989 >>S<< SERIES IGT CHOP TOP
I WILL BE POSTING 8 PHOTOS SO PLEASE TRY NOT TO POST UNTIL DONE SO ALL CAN BE SEEN IN ORDER PLEASE .

 MAIN BOARD IS ON BACK WALL OF CABINET WITH 3-MOLEX WIRED CONECTORS THAT ACTUALYL PLUG INTO MAIN BOARD AND HAS HARD METERS ON LEFT SIDE SPEAKER IS INSIDE THE HARD METER BOX -COIN HEAD IS CORRECT WITH SLUG REJECT BUTTON

THE DECK  -BUTTONS ARE CORRECT FOR S-SERIES AND EARLY S+ SERIES TO 1993 --UNMOLESTED MACHINE--NOTICE DATES OF PRODUCTION ON PULL ARM -NO I AM NOT JEFF GORDON LOL .IT IS WIRED FOR A SIDE MOUNT DBV which was never installed on this model this is a correction this machine only .  ONLY THING WRONG IS IS ITS A DOUBLE DIAMOND 2-COIN NOT A 2-COIN DELUXE AS TOP GLASS SAYS . ALSO HAS A WORK LIGHT INSTALLED FROM FACTORY ON BELLY PAN LOWER LEFT -TAKES RS # CHIPS ONLY GAME& REEL COMBO -REG S+ GLASS FITS ..

NEXT IS THE S-SERIES AGAIN CORRECT COIN HEAD ON S-SERIES WITH CORRECT BUTTON STYLE FOR S-SERIES AND CORRECT BUTTON STYLE FOR S+ UP TO 1993. COIN DEFLECTOR ON S-SERIES SAME AS INSTALLED ON EARLY S+ TO ENHANCE SOUND -FOUND IN IGT';S BOOK ON PLAYER ATTRACTION METHODS USED /DEVELOPED -PUT INTO USE .

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NEW PICTURES 1992 IGT S+ 16 INCH TOP MAIN BOARD MOUNTED ON LEFT SIDE . NOTICE TRANSFORMER COVER IS THE BLACK PLASTIC PIECE IN MIDDLE SO OVERSHOOTING COINS FROM FULL HOPPER DONT START ARC WELDING .
TOOK SS# CHIPS ONLY S & S+ GLASS FIT BOTH--BUTTONS ARE CORRECT UP TO 1993 .WAS WIRED FOR SIDE MOUNT /AKA SIDE CAR DBV I REMOVED WOULD OF BEEN ON OUTSIDE ON RIGHT SIDE UNDER PULL ARM .  

THATS IT SLUG !!NO MORE PICTURES TONIGHT LOL  PLUS ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN THE DIFF IN CABINET DESIGNS OF S AND S+ THE S-SERIES PICTURES ARE OF A S-SERIES MADE IN 5-1989 CHOP TOP --

THE S+ IS A 16 INCH IGT S+ MADE IN 1992 4-92 ----NEXT UNIT   THAT I WILL DIG UP A PICTURE OF THE SIDE MOUNT DBV THAT WOULD BE ON OUTSIDE OF SLOT RT SIDE . MAIN BOARD MOUNTED ON LEFT SIDE UNTIL 1993 - CORRECT BUTTONS UP TO  1993
PICTURE IS A DUPICATE OF THE PLASTIC TRANSFORMER COVER OFF ..

SORRY FOR LATE PICTURES BUT THEY ARE THERE ..
MODIFIED SO ACTUALLY THE BUTTONS ON YOUR MACHINE ARE CORRECT FOR 1994 AS I SAID IN EARLIER POST THEY MUST OF BEEN REPLACED -THEY ARE CORRECT 1994 BUTTONS --ITS THE SIDE MOUNTED MAIN BOARD THATS WRONG FOR 1994 THE YEAR ALONG WITH THE IMBEDDED DBV KIT OR A ALTERATION THAT WAS STUCK IN THERE  

Rocket

Rocket,

Cool, another true S and S-Plus guy.  Nice picture show to teach the differences.  I thought i was the only storehouse of knowledge on this era anymore.  Good job.  Love that first photo of the Double Diamond, saw a 3443 written on the reel glass.  Looked it up, yup, RS3443 is a 90% Double Diamond 2 coin chip.  :-) 

The 1994 cabinet is really tripping me up too!  I have also never seen a cabinet after 1994 with the old casting and MPU mounted on the right.

I love this old era of games, probably why I am filled up here with S and early S-Plus games.

Thats why if anyone ever asks me the best slot ever made --I always say IGT S-PLUS IT BULLET PROOF --WELL ALMOST . :103- :103-but many new comers asked I told them S+  but they wanted the S2000 with all bells and whistles backlit reels etc machines that talk etc
you can make a s-plus do the same --if you have worked on them .
you cannot beat a igt s-plus --along with the tricks you can do to them . they still are the best machine around .
you can add sounds to them on bonus rounds . you can play with them with haywire chips --custom build one so its half a s+ and half a added video slot just need design thoughts and materials to make it happen ..

plus the cost to buy is dirt now ..

glad you liked the picture show . time for this old boy to hit the crib !!

Rocket out !!

ADDED TWO PICTURES TO KEEP THIS THREAD ALIVE

this is the common sidecar/sidemount  DBV added to late late S-series IGT slot uprights and early S+ models up to 1993 also uprights
located on the right side of slot outside under the pull arm .. i just placed this one next to it for demonstration purposes
if you have a cabinet with four holes on rt side under pull arm you will know why now ..
they ran the JCM 145 in most cases .  same deal a set chip was used to enable it .

Rocket

SLAM :
IF YOU NEED THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PLASTIC COVER FOR THE TRANSFORMER THAT YOU SEEM TO BE MISSING ON TRIPLE DIAMOND  ?
I JUST TRACED MINE ON PIECE OF PAPER WITH SPECS --VERY HIGH TECH !!! :72- :72- :72- :72- :72-
SO YOU CAN CUT ONE OUT OF SHEET PLASTIC OR THICK RUBBER MATT SO COIN SPILL OVER FROM HOPPER DOES NOT
START MACHINE ON FIRE OR TYPICAL COIN TOKEN ARC WELDING -BLOWN FUSES BLOWN BOARDS ETC .  

Thank you for the technical data on that cover :)  I really enjoyed the pics of the diff machines, Its neat to see how they progressed.

The Red White & Blue is finally complete. I'm pretty happy with the outcome of it, although there are a few little touch-ups that need to be done. Redoing the glow in the dark graphics on the belly glass was prob the most difficult part of resto. Just happy to be done with it so I can move on to the Triple D.

Amazing Job! K+

How did you redo the glow in the dark stuff on the belly?

E~

Scanned the belly plate, printed it out on label paper, cut out the the letters & stars, peeled off the backing, stuck it to the plate & spray painted it with glow in the dark paint. Easy as pie, just a bit time consuming.

Outstanding job and outstanding patience/detail.  I always spray the back side of the glass with Valspar frosting if the frosting has been damaged on the front side.  Comes out really nice, but I commend you on your method.  Looks awesome!

Jason

Really nice work!
Nothing more gratifying than restoring a rusty whipped out slot back to it's original luster or better!

Thank you. A friend of mine recommended frosting the backside. After looking at one he had done, It just seemed to lack depth compared to     stenciling & painting the outside. Guess I'm a little too picky :) 

Thats the truth :D     Thank you.

SLAM :
on reply #32 I posted the (((((HIGH TECH)))))) METHOD OF TECHINACAL DRAFTING that I learned in trade school back 37-38 years ago ?? .. a little rusty from not doing it . there should be a top plastic cover above the MID SHIP cover in picture . most every slot that I had pass through for service or sale was missing this cover completely .
all had a piece of common quack quack tape aka DUCT TAPE across the top . so the over shooting coin /token from a full hopper or fast coin etc would not hit back wall of slot and fall between metal cabinet and end up again on the transformer wires or contacts
resulting in same "arc welding" affect .
if I do find a original cover ?? in the parts dept . I will follow up with a picture of all the items that should be in there proper place .

if you want to get real high tech lol --You can print up little decals saying final inpection  by no.7 Gloria .
and place those on reel baskets - mother board - main board - pull arm - under the candle -on side of hopper
etc . then add one to coin head that says inspected by no. 12 -Bill -- so it looks like it was a combined effort male/female in inspection from IGT  then of course place the machine on ebay saying 100% original with inspection stickers  asking price  9999.99

Rocket - Very nice pictorial History of the S series and early S+ machines!  :3-  I had never really had a good look at an S series before.  Very interesting that the coin head had a coin return button on it!  :259-

Slam - You are a Miracle worker! I would never have believed that the Old rusted machine you showed early in the post would ever be able to live again, let alone be restored in such pristine condition! Amazing!  :131-  :259-