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After 4 months I have my Triple Double Diamond 9 line play 180 credits...running on quarters. Can not get the BV to work. When powering up, I hear it initializing, but it goes no further. It is JCM...WBA-12/13-03-113...In another place it shows only WB-12-SS.. Other markings on it: USA-5B1-03-113 and ID 024 and V 3.75-34 (CD3B)
Here is a couple of pictures, maybe some can give me some help on this BV? Thanks You

looks like the right BV and firmware for your machine.  on the other side there's a bank of dip switches; make sure they're all up.  do you have credits on the machine?  are you at your credit limit?  can you still use the coins to play the machine even though the BV doesn't work?

All switches are up. No credits on machine (shows last coin played)  Not even close to credit limit. Machine plays perfect using quarters. Hopper pays out everything else works great. There is no lights in the benzel area. Think this could part of the problem?

Look on the right side and see if you have two lights lit on the BV. Do you have another game you can put this BV in to see if it follows the BV there?

Yes two RED lights are lit.  I only have a S Plus machine .. Don't look like they would be interchangeable, but I will try Monday. Thanks

No, the S+ and the S2000 BV's are not compatible.

I may have to disagree....doesnt S+ acceptID022 or ID023? And S2000 accepts ID023 and IDO24? If a WBA is programmed for IDO23, then it would be interchangeable between S+ or S2000. If its ID024 ONLY, then NO, it is not interchangeable between models (only S2000).

NOTE: WE are talking ONLY WBAs. If its a DBV, then all bets are off of course.

Do a netplex auto config and see if it picks up the BV

Also, it's not always the BV, if you can try another cash box, make sure that all the right plugs are in behind the BV assy. make sure the BV door switch is working

My bad guy's, you all know more about the programing than I do.

I clean them and fix them but never have had to flash one or get into the programing of one.

Have you checked your BV $ limit setting in menu 3 and is your BV showing enabled in menu 7?

Limit is set at $3000 and shows enabled in menu 7....Can a netplexauto config be done in the 4 menu? Or do I need to re key it? Thanks

You can re-search in 4 as long as no credits on machine.

ok I have done that. No credits on machine, found the "netplex auto config."  saved it (max bet) still not working ??

Does the BV faceplate on the door ever light up? Will it take a bill in at all even if it just kicks it back out?

Was the BV "Enabled" in the menu!???? If it will not Enable, (or if it is enabled), then we may have bigger fish to fry,,,just sayin,,,

He said it's enabled in the key chip menu and did a forced autoconfig from menu 4

Tell me to be sure about a forced autoconfig.  How to.
The thing is it does initialize when powering up. Sounds like both motors run

go to "netplex auto config"

use change button to scroll to "bill validator"

hit spin button

vfd will change message, bv will cycle i'm pretty sure

hit max bet several times to exit or close main door

wait 10-15 seconds for bv to initialize

also could be your cbox not fully installed.  open cashbox door and push in cashbox fully.  push up on brass lever high to right side of cbox, that locks in the small tabs on the side of the cbox.  pull your cbox all the way out and make sure your tabs are solid; there should be no play in them.
pull your bv out and shine a flashlight on the back of its shelf.  there are two small, black colored tabs that stick up side by side; you'll be looking at their edge from straight on.  they should both be pointing pretty straight up and be level with each other when the cbox is fully engaged.  :137-

Tried netplex auto config.....nothing happens. BV is enabled and the credits are set to max of 3000
Cash box...Tabs are almost in the center of the box They do flip up...When The box is reinserted, the BV does recycle.
In one of the picts below it shows the tabs to be OFF center Which could mean one of them so falling into the slot in the middle of the cash box.

OOPS...Here is the picts of the Cash Can housing where the tabs are off center and the Cash box it self showing the center slot or cut out where one of the tabs may be.
Let me know THANK YOU

Cowboygames to answer your question, the lights do not light on the door. Will not attempt to take bills. You know way back when I had the old wiring harness on and before I shorted the system, the lights on the door did work!  However the BV did the same as it is doing now. Wonder if I need to send it some where to get fixed and up dated?

Jacker,

Where are you? You might be close to someone who's in the know.

Mineral Wells Texas. 40 miles west of Fort Worth

The fact that the BV sets up when the machine turns on indicates, obviously, that it is getting power and functions to some degree. The fact that the BV bezel light came on before you shorted the old door harness indicates it probably worked back then. The fact that the BV bezel light no longer comes on just says that for some reason the machine isn't seeing that the BV is ready or the BV actually isn't ready. Does the BV sound ok when it cycles after putting power to the machine? Is it relatively smooth or do you hear any kind of grinding sounds? Now, I'm guessing you didn't mess with the BV at all after the wiring short as there would have been no reason to do so and it didn't work from the git go after you replaced the wiring and got the machine to work on coins. This theoretically eliminates cash can issues as the cause. Shorting the wiring on the door harness isn't likely to actually damage the BV itself, but it could damage the netplex circuitry on the motherboard. There are a couple members in your vicinity and if one of them pops in here it would be great if they could test the transport and head for you. If not, it might be worth it to mail it to someone who can but is further away.

Yea the BV does have a kind of grinding sound when powering up. The netplex circuitry on the mother board, is this fixable or parts replaceable ?  I would mail it if someone can hopefully fix it.  Thanks

This might be a long shot, but does it sound any different now than it did before the original problem? It was setting up as ready back then. There is also a BV test available in menu 4. Have you tried that?

The sound is the same as before....Menu 4. Bill Validator......"Test bill = bill validator door closed" this is all it will give me.?

open cashbox door to activate the test i think; we never use this here, we just check out actual bills to test the BV's!!  with the test you should be able to insert any bill and if the BV recognises it; the VFD will display the denomination.  if this test works then it will definitely help isolate your issue! g/l!!

Just no response from the BV. Will not take the bill

OK. I did purchase another BV. It does initialize but will do nothing more. Will play with coins. Please any help on this ??

I think at this point I would be looking at swapping the MPU and Motherboard one at a time to make sure the problem is not there.  Could have damaged a board trace when you had your short.

Or try a clear/key on this current setup.  What have you got to lose at this stage?

Jason

Have swapped the MPU out. Have tried the keychip , the BV is turned on.
Power to the unit cause it initializes, could that mean something with the wiring?

Besides wiring, the mother board could also be suspect.  After hearing something shorted out makesw me think a trace is burned somewhere.

I give up! What is a trace?

When you look at a printed circuit board, there are lines that go from point to point.  These are called traces. You normally repair them by closing the burned up part of the trace with a small wire, or using some sort of conductive paint.

Maybe one of the other guys here can clarify for me, but this doesn't sound like an ICB issue to you guys right? We've had a lot of ICB issues with our WBAs on the floor. I'm assuming this set up would not be ICB enabled, but I thought I would ask.

Can't find any trace problems. Have a spare board and changed it out. Same problem. I have a spare Mother Board, should I change it out? If I do, do I need to clear chip the machine? Thanks

Have we ever confirmed he's using a BV with the correct software/flash????

How or what do I look for?

Not sure if you have a WBA-12 or WBA-13, but generally, there is a sticker with the protocol and version of software somewhere on the validator. We are looking for an identifier such as: ID023 or ID003, followed by another number such as v3.75 or v3.80.

Where did you get this validator?

Could be a Canadian B/V. I got some machines in a lot that worked fine except they didn't like good old us dollars. I had a Canadian twenty....worked just fine. I think it was an 024.

My mistake it was an ID022

I believe you are correct...

Something just has to be wacky with his BV, as almost everything else has been eliminated I think. I haven't been following along real closely though, so if you think of anything else, please post.

Here is what I have today, TODAY. The new wiring harness has a 4 pin connector on the bezel board. The old one has 5 pin bezel board. I put the old one on and now I do get the lights in the bezel area to light up.  Get a blue light in middle to blink and then get amber or yellow lights across the top to light up. Game still plays with coins. I have the one on the bottom of pict. on the machine now.  Still will not accept nills

The BV. I did purchase another through ebay. Here is a picture of the bottom showing the chip and all part numbers. On the top of the BV it has WBA-13-SS. Under that it has USA-501-03-104. I hope this will give you information needed. Thanks

The chip as labeled is the correct protocol  for the S2000.

Ok, so BV is correct one. Good, at least that's confirmed.

FORGET about the bezel for now. The BV will take bills regardless of what the bezel is doing. Sure, the bezel is an indicator when working properly, but lets not get hung up on it. Get the BV functional first.

When the game powers up and is initializing, does the BV cycle?

Have you performed a clear on the machine? If not, has anyone had you check your Bill limits in the program?

Yes it does cycle when powering up the machine. It will also cycle when open and close cash door.
I'm pretty sure the limit is set on max $3000 !!??
When you talk about preforming a clear, if you are referring to the clear chip. I have done that a few times. Have used menu 4 to test a bill, but there is just no activity after the "test bill validator" shows up.

To be safe, check your Bill limit and your Credit Limit, menu 3.1.4. You should be able to see them without a Key Chip (if I remember right). Then double check menu 3.3.1 disable/enable Bill Acceptor. If these are limits you set yourself, they are wiped out after each clear.

After this, I suggest you send your BV to someone to test. It's not looking like its your BV since your on your second one, with same results (but I can't remember what was up with your first one).

We'll test your BV if you want to send it to us. Priority Mail Flat Rate box is $11-12, or send if Parcel if your not in a hurry. PM or email us if you want go that route.

Roz

Limits: Hopper 100000, credit 5000, Jackpot 5000, BILL 3000.  in 3.3.1 BL is enabled.
Both the old BV and the one I just bought does the same thing. Where I bought the latest one, they say it has been tested from (discountslots)
Way, way back in the beginning, the old BV started to accept a bill then quit for good. Before I send it in, do you think the motherboard could be bad? I do have a spair.???

Anythings possible (well, maybe not, but that's the saying).  :103-  Others have suggested it could be the motherboard. Since you have one, I'd swap it out, if nothing else, just to eliminate it. It really doesn't sound like your BV (transport or head) itself...

Question: Do you remember if, after the clear and key, the BV was enabled when you went into the menu or did YOU enable it? I know (at least on other IGT machines, dont know for certain on an S2000), you can enable a BV even if the machine doesn't think ones present. If NetPlex config isn't picking it up, but you are enabling it afterwards, we may have a communication error (I.e. missing harness).

What harnesses are coming out of the back of BV and housing? Do you have the little guy with red and white/black and white wires (BV harness)?

For the record, this is out of my comfort zone here, but this problems been going on for weeks.... :99- :99-

I posted this within the last year so lets see how much I remember of it.

If you went to Net Plex Auto Config and had a BAD BV, ( it would have displayed on the VFD " BV Not Responding " after you replace the bad one for a good one you MUST go back and redo ( is redo a word  :103- :103- ) Net Plex Auto Config.

There is a 3 wire male coming out of the BV. Colors are gray, blue and violet. It is NOT plugged to anything.
Connected is a black and white to a yellow and black.
Connected is a red and black wire connected to red and black.
The 6 position white switch has "nothing" attached to it.
There is two wires with female spades that would attach to the white switch. the colors are black and green. Could this possibly be the problem?

There is one more connector with 7 wires that is NOT connected. It is hanging off the back wall. Here is a picture of it. Thanks

Sorry jacker, I was off on my colors maybe. Maybe I was thinking optics colors instead of BV harness. Anyway, let me stick my head inside a game today and take some pics for you, or see what's supposed to be where. I can remember numbers and stupid details like Rainman, but I do not have a photographic memory when it comes to physical things.  :30- :30-

And Buzz is right. Buzz discovered that while testing BVs, once you get a bad one, the NetPlex AutoConfig will not detect the next one, even if its good. I remember that only so I can remind Darrell when he's testing BVs and hits a run of bad ones (or thinks he has).

cvslots did you ever get the photos?

Yah, what's an email I can send to?

Memwir@yahoo.com

Thank You

Ok, pics sent.

The plug with the blue and purple/white wires is supposed to be empty.

All wiring looks to be correct, at least to the pictures you sent me. I guess I will re-keychip this machine and go thru the netplex auto config. and the BV set up again. Picture 5011 above shows a 6 pin switch located on the back of the cash can housing. It is empty (nothing plugged into it) Think that is correct? Anybody have any other ideas, before I re-key this machine one last time ?

NO need for a key chip for auto config.

CVSLOTS .... Have went back through everything I have done to date. Still not accepting bills. I did change the bezel board out and now I have lights there!. I have enclosed  the face of the Insert bill. When powering up the machine,  the center bottom lights up BLUE. It is the medic truck with the "red cross on it. After the BV initializes, that blue light goes away and a red light appears on the top row over the $5 then All other lights show to be yellow. Could the BV be stuck on $5's.
You offered to check this BV. Where can I send it. How do you want it sent? UPS USPS ?  Thanks

What that means is a Five dollar bill was the last  bill excepted by the machine. If the truck isn't lit up, the BV is ready to except money. I'm sure if you will look at the limit setting you will find your problem.

Send it us and we will stick it in a machine and see if its working ok. No problem. USPS has a Med. Flat rate box that is kind of squarish that ships for $11-12. It fits a BV perfectly and I will have it 2-3 days. Or if UPS is easier for you, ship it that way. Your choice. I will PM the address.

Attached is a JCM Sentry guide if anyone can use it.  Not a bad troubleshooting guide.

Jason

Hey Jason,
Thanks for the sentry guide. :259-
Rich

Hey BUZZ Thanks on the red light!  Have the BV limit set at 3000. it will go no higher. Jason thanks for the Guide. Communication problem is probably what it is, but boy it's tough the first time around. Did anyone look at JPG 5011 above
( with the push button white switch attached to the back of the cash can housing, with 6 empty pins ) ?

Normal that cash box switch can be removed,  you do not need it.

This machine is a nightmare!!!!!!!! Have concluded that it will not take bills. NOW another problem has popped up. MPU now shows 4 amber lights, 1 green and 1 blinking red light! Can anybody tell me what this is all about. Of course nothing will work right now.