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My 5 reel S2000 came with led reels which have the wide baskets.  So I get a couple of kits that come with the narrow reels and a buy a whole narrow 5 reel set with shelf and harness.  I hook it up, and the backlights don't work.  I get this picture.  It has been mentioned here many times the that led backlight controller is compatible with incandescent reels, but they don't even work in the test.  The intensity changes, on the 3 reels that are lit and only on the lights that are lit.
The picture shows the controller I have and the result with the incandescent reels.  The lights that are on, stay on always.  In the backlight testing, only the lit sections blink and change intensity, the two leftmost reels never light up.

Do you have the cable that hooks up to the cabnet I/O to the back lite controller? If you leave those lights on bright like that it will melt the plastic around the bulbs.

Yes, it's hooked up.  I had the 5 reel shelf with the LEDs on it and they were working.  I replaced the shelf and the harness.  The two other connectors (to power and to I/O) were never unplugged.  When I do the test, the lights that you see lit changed intensity and blinked, but only the ones that are lit up.  So now I'm thinking that the LED controller is NOT compatible with incandescent lights as previously stipulated on this site.  I will go ahead and buy an incandescent 5 reel controller to verify that.  There is an 8 pin black connector on the controller, I'm wondering if there's some kind of jumper combination that goes in there to tell the controller that incandescent lights are hooked up.  Someone in a previous thread posted a photo of their "standard" controller which looks like the one I have that drives my LED reels, but he seems to have a couple of jumpers inside the black connector.  It's difficult to tell for sure though, not enough resolution on the photo to zoom in and see.

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=22954.msg181616#msg181616 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=22954.msg181616#msg181616)


For the record, I reconnected my wide led reels/shelf/harness and the backlight behaves correctly in the I/O testing.

I'm gonna guess the backlight controller isn't backwards compatible or needs the dip switches changed somehow to make it work. Ex kept for testing I wouldn't leave it plugged in very long

I didn't.  It was probably one for 2 or 3 minutes in total as I was trying to figure out what else to do.  I eventually just put everything back to LEDS and left it that way so my mother could play.  I will go ahead and get a 5 reel incandescent controller and have at it.  I'm wondering if someone here is running a 5 reel incandescent setup using that particular controller and if so, if there are jumpers inside the 8 ping connector in the middle of the board.

i have the same controller on my 5 reel game and it has incandescent bulbs in them and they work fine.

You guys should compare jumper and dip switch settings.
Rickhunter, Does your harness have two plugs going to the backlight controller from the reels?

Anyway I could bug you to remove the metal plate and look at the 8 pin black connector that is in the middle of the board to see if there are any jumpers on those pins?  I am really confused now, I'm wondering if there is more than 1 version of this board?


Yes the harness I am using has the 5 reel connectors, the black connector to the motherboard, and two other connectors that go to the backlight controller.  Also there are no dipswitches on my controller on either side of the board.

My bad Rick, I went and looked at my backstock of boards. I have one LED board and see the socket you're talking about. No jumpers. My incandescent boards have the dipswitch controls with 4 switches. I have 5 of these and the only difference I noticed on them is that 1 of the 5 is set different than all the others. I wonder if the dipswitch settings determine whether it's 3, 4 or 5 reel machine control? Anyway, if it ends up you need a regular board let me know and we can work something out

anybody else have any thoughts?  There's got to be someone here that went from led to incandescent to be able to use the narrower reel strips.

What's your dips set at? On the 4 and on the 1??? I've got just 2 LED in hand to compare, but what the heck, we're this deep, we should try and figure this out....but the I cant even tell you what these boards came out of, so I really might not be any help...

Just a couple-four new 5 reel games in today though, they may hold a clue.

Going through electronics and parts listing I have 3 different boards
76924400
76926800
76936300

Still trying to find info on what the differences are.

3 reel controller part #76924100 has 3 molex on top and one on the side
5 reel controller part #76926800   has 2 molex on top and 2 on the side
5 reel LED controller part #76936300 has 2 white molex and 1 black molex on top, 2 on the left side,  a black dual row molex on the right side, and another pair of black molex on the bottom.

Rick
You probably already know this but the 5 reel LED harness and the 5 reel Non LED harnesses are different and not compatable.
The LED harness has a black connector on the motherboard end with a black and a white connector on the controller board end. P/N 62303000
The non LED has a black connector on the motherboard end and two white connectors on the controller end. P/N 60753605
The controller you have should work with both types of reels you just need the correct harness.

Hope this helps
Rich

 :103- I agree, but his first post stated he got the new harness with the new reels

I thought the same but look at this quote:
 "Yes, it's hooked up.  I had the 5 reel shelf with the LEDs on it and they were working.  I replaced the shelf and the harness.  The two other connectors (to power and to I/O) were never unplugged. "

If he never unplugged the power and IO he is using the same harness. :103-

I'm pretty sure this is a harness issue.

I see your point :89- Looked to me like the IO and power weren't unplugged because he never changed the controller, but the 2 harness plugs were because a new harness came with the new reels. We need pictures I guess.

I backdoored this issue once by disassembling the wide reel baskets and remaking them into narrow ones so I could keep the LED backlighting. Might be the only set of narrow backlit reels out there now, lol, but I used brand new reels to do it so they should last longer than me

I am using the incandescent harness.  I totally removed the LED harness.  The power and I/O are independent of the harness used as one goes to the power supply and the other goes to the I/O board.  So just to be clear, the incandescent harness has 8 plugs.  5 go to reels, 1 goes to motherboard reel connector, and 2 go to the backlight controller.  Then there are two additional plugs in the backlight controller, one to power and one to I/O.  These are all all connected and the results are as posted.  It has been suggested that maybe enhanced board behave differently and that I may need to go over to a 504B setup.  I am assuming also that the harness that goes to the I/O board is the same in both cases?

That's possible and worth a try, but is the insinuation that a newer enhanced board can't properly control the newer backwards compatible backlight controller? I would think it would be the other way around and the older 504 couldn't function properly with the newer backlight controller. I'm guessing you don't have ANY other backlight boards to try?

Here we go Rick, based on the possibility you may have a faulty wiring harness or a compatibility issue with your backlight controller, how about if I send you a standard 5 reel board and 5 reel harness? You see if one or the other or both fix the problem and we'll worry about what they're worth after it's running

Not to be a pain in the a the two plugss from the led harness to the backlight controller should both be white for non led.Is this what you have?

The Led harness has 3 plugs that go into the backlight controller.  A black one that goes on the side black connector, and a pair of white ones that go into the same place as the two white plugs that the incandescent harness uses.  The incandescent harness only has two plugs.

Hello,
I Did the opposite swap from yours and went from incandescent to led.
the controller in my machine was newer so I did not have to change out the controller.
It was a pretty straight forward swap.
Have you tried swapping the reels around? I know when I got a few sets of reels, after being
bounced around in a box for hundreds of miles, some of the bulbs did not work, so I did a lot
of swapping around and changing to get them all to work.
Just a thought.
Jim.

I would agree with that except that it's not that they don't light up, it's the odd behavior that it exhibits, having the lights permanently lit up and some reels not even lighting up.  I did not change the reels around, guess I should have, but because the symptom is so weird, I didn't think that would be it.

Out of curiosity, what mpu board is in your game? 501, 502, 504, or enhanced?

It is a 504 board.  also a couple of enhanced games. they came with led reels already installed.

Rick, had you tried doing a full clear on the machine to see if maybe the MPU is having trouble recognizing the new reels through the backlight controller. A couple years ago I was simply swapping from a jumpered 5 reel harness in a 3 reel machine to a standard 3 reel harness and had all kinds of weird problems. The 5 reel harness worked fine on the 3 reel machine, but something went wacky when I got the standard 3 reel harness. I finally got tired of messing with it and cleared the machine. Everything worked fine after that. The problems I had encountered were similar to yours. Sorry it took me so long to remember this, but it was a couple years ago and I don't keep notes although I think I had posted on here about it back then

I have not, I don't really like to use clear unless it is absolutely necessary.  I will give that a try.

Clear chip is kinda last resort, but this kinda is last resort. At least setup is easy :89-

thinking on the clear chip potential.  I should mention that the reels light up as shown the minute I apply power to the slot, way before the system even has a chance to boot.  This leads me to believe that it is an electrical circuit issue more than it is a logic issue.  If everything is properly wired, the reels should be off (or dimly lit) the minute you power up your machine.

I just went and turned on my machine and the reels flash on for a second or two when power is applied and go off.
I never really paid attention before.  This is with led reels.

By your description it sounds like the controller is capable of lighting all reels but maybe isn't getting the proper signal to do it how and when it's suppose to

That is exactly what happens when I have the LED reels in the setup.  But with the incandescent harness, the minute I turn it on, the reels appear as shown in the picture.  It is also probably worth noting that the reels spin right and the game plays fine, other than the backlighting looking like it does, and during wins, nothing changes as far as the pattern.

Lets try it with a 500 series board and see what happens...

I'll get one out to you tomorrow and if it works for you, we'll settle up. If it doesn't change anything, send it back.

Roz

Have you tried a different reel harness?  Sounds like there is some problems with the harness.  Also, have you tried moving the reels around to rule out a reel that is causing this?

I only have the one reel harness to try.  I will try to borrow a known working one to see.  I will also try moving the reels around.  Wish I had the machine at home, but it's in my Mother's house so I can only try thing sporadically when I go there.

Harness and controller should be headed your way today priority mail

thanks

OK, so here's the latest from my ongoing saga.

1.  Using led board with incandescent reels AND enhanced board = Super bright-on-all the time reels, and when you hit a winning combo, they flash.
2.  Using incandescent controller with enhanced board = works as it should.
3.  Using led board with a 50x series mpu = works as it should.

My issue with only certain reels lighting up was because out of all 15 bulbs only 4 were good!  :5- :5- :5-  :25- :25- :25- How can I have not even thought of that?!?!? Then 1 blew 1 of the four by dropping it on the floor.  So I cannibalized bulbs from other reels and was able to get 14 out of the 15 lighting up.

Glad you got it figured out!
I had a feeling the bulbs were part of the problem.
The incandescents are a pita! seems like one is always out  :96-
I went ahead and converted a narrow set to led as well.
No more burned out bulbs  :3-

So how did you do that?  Did you remove the baskets from a 2" and put them into a led reel?  Or did you take the led assembly out of a wide reel and stick it into a narrow reel?  The ideal solution would be to stick narrow baskets on a wide led reel, so you don't even have to change the reel shelf to go from narrow to wide.

I took the led assembly out of a wide reel and put it in the narrow reel. I know Cowboygames did this as well.
I don't remember exactly why now, But the narrow reel would not work on the wide reel. (Maybe Cowboygames will chime in)
Check out this thread.  http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=22954.50

Yep that sub link within that topic details how I did that conversion. I've found out since then that IGT also had some wide reels with standard lighting at one time. Lots of variations, lots of options...