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I was successfully able to clear the RAM on a TITO 6000 slot that came directly from a casino.  The problem is now that after it boots the green arrows on the bill acceptor turn into the red x.   The head in the unit is a WBA-11.    Before I start wading through the owners manual is there something I can try first?  Is there an option to disable the player tracking stuff?   

I'm thinking that the machine can't talk to its network so it's stopping bills.

I can use the pseudo coin to get the reels to spin.

Thanks

Did you check to see if there is an eprom in the socket in the bottom of the transport?  Do you hear it cycle??

After these are answered, we'll go further.

Thanks,
Wayne

does the transport say wba23ss? or?

W

Wayne - it doesn't cycle - where would I look for the eprom?

pull out the transport, flip it over and I'd bet the socket is empty. 

Thanks,
Wayne

 :3-

Indeed it is!!

WBA11SS

I have a few DBV145 heads the eprom wouldn't be the same would it?

no it would be different.  Is the transport a wba23ss?

It has a sticker WBA 11 SS on the front is that the correct number?

I should explain that wba 11, 12 or 13 heads are all the same, the transport dictated which software is required.  A WBA 21 transport is the same as a WBA11 transport, the 21/22/23 head in one would need the 21 software. a wba23ss transport is the same as a wba13 transport etc.

Jim at Blueridge has the eprom for your bv.

Thanks,
Wayne

the plug at the back of the transport is different between a wba 11(21) and wba13(23).  I'll snap a pic.

Thanks,
Wayne

Hi - I understand now... I looked at the transport more closely  --
 
The transport is WBA-23-SS

Here is a visual.

Thanks,
Wayne

It's definitely the wb23ss.   It's too bad I can't just copy the eprom from my other heads.

oh well

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I ordered the chip and should have it Wednesday.     :3-

Just for curiosity -  the machine is TITO  -   How exactly does this work?
I was assuming (probably incorrectly)  That the machines were connected to a server and the server validated the bar code.    Does the 6000 handle the tickets on it's own?  I can't see how this would be - each printout has a unique number and bar code no :103-

You should ask Jim for some stand alone TITO mains while you are at it. It won't work as a stand alone with your current mains.

Good luck,
Wayne

Boy,.... this hobby can empty your wallet, huh? :72-

In a second!

Better my machine than the casino right?  :30-

Is there a number or something I can check to see what mains I have and if indeed I need a different version?

Jim's prices are very reasonable, I was pleasantly surprised.  However this hobby is addictive and as the machines multiply, the wallet get's thinner.

Thanks,
Wayne

Your mains (U28 and U43) have stickers on them in your pic, I'd bet they are 2006(U28-S6M1DS4C0008-00, U43-S6M4DS4C0008-00).

Good luck,
Wayne

I can only make out U43 and it is S6M4DS4C0008-00.  The other sticker is worn off.   

This main will not work alone?
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It won't work with the ticket printer, otherwise it will work.  is your ticket printer functional? (lit up, has a ribbon cable?)

Thanks,
Wayne

I just pulled it out and it does have the cable and it does light up.

Was my line of thinking correct?  There is no way to get that ticket printer to work in a home machine right?

 I have mine working stand alone.  As I mentioned previously, you need the proper mains.  Let me know if you get them.  I was asking if your printer was working because there would have been no use getting the mains with a faulty printer.

Thanks,
Wayne

Thanks for your help everybody.   I'm in L.A. now leaving for a cruise today.  I'll be back online after the 20th.

HAPPY EASTER!!

Have a great time.  Does the ship have a casino?,, take some pics if you can.

Thanks,
Wayne

Wow, wish I was on a cruise.  :89- Have a great time.

 Dan (tacman)

I am sure the ship has internet access.... stay in touch.

Hi Everyone - I just got back with my trip and I'm playing with this machine again.  I got the chip from Jim and here is what happened -  I pulled out the transport and cash can.  I put the chip in and placed the can and transport back in.  Now I am getting an error 55 (cash can not installed) -  I pulled it in and out same error 55.
There is a switch on the back of the holder for the can.  What are the correct position for the wires?  There are two of them and they were both loose.

I did a RAM clear and that took care of that -

But still I have a problem with the bill validator - it still doesn't crank up when I turn on the machine and I get the red x on the front display.
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Do I have to do anything to activate it ?

Welcome back, I hope your cruise went well.  The switch in the rear of the cash can/bv housing can be removed as it doesn't do anything for home use.  55 just meant that your BV didn't initialize.  Do you hear it cycle when you restart or remove and reinstall the cash can?  does it sound like it's straining?  Your BV may need servicing.  open the head and see if the belts are loose?.

Thanks,
Wayne

Thanks Wayne!!!! The cruise was great - I spent some time in the casino - they had tuns of S-2000 machines and a tuns of wms dotmation machines.  I also looked at the igt-i games they had about 10 titles.   (just scoping out my next purchase muhahahaaa) -

Anyway back to the problem at hand -- after I did the ram clear the machine boots up will let me play with coin -   I don't hear the bv cycle at all.

That's the danger of going to a casino, I find myself shopping, only without the stressful feeling that I have when I go shopping with my wife.

as for your BV you need to check both the orientation of the chip (notch) as weel as look for bent pins.  Also check the harness from the connector on the housing to the backplane board, remove reel # 3 to gain easy access.  Do the leds on the bv light up, look in the slot as well as from the side where the dip switches are for the red light. Do you have another one to try, I have come across a few bad transports and/ or heads.

Thanks,
Wayne

I agree, I was just at Blue Chip and found myself playing I game titles, Bluebird titles and S2000 themes including different 5 reelers getting my  want list sorted out.  :89-

 Dan (tacman)

I followed the wires down from the harness to the connector and I see a yellow and black wire that aren't connected to anything as well as three red and black wires that have been cut.  The head does have red glowing lights  - 

I have attached some pictures

All the dip switches are in the off position too.

It looks like I have another clue to this... That black and yellow wire look like they went to another one of those switches that Wayne said could be removed.   Now here is where things get interesting -  I am back with that code 55.   

When I open the door I get the normal error 50 - but then I get error 50.29  Which is a communication problem with the BV.

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I can just see you and Wayne at the casinos, each of you playing a game for a few minutes and moving on, when an employee walks up and asks you if you need anything, and you look up and answer, "Just browsing!" :97- :97- :97-

I have a feeling you have either a bad head or transport, the 55 error would go away if the bv initialized correctly.  I'm guessing you don't have a spare.  Anyone close to you?

Thanks,
Wayne

I forgot to ask what your main board settings were? dip switches set to JCM?  DS2 sw5 on, sw6 off fro the JCM WBA.  If these are set wrong it could do it.

Thanks,
Wayne

I would guess head first as the Canadian games had the head replaced here in the US, but also make sure the connector in the rear of the frame is the same (for a WBA 12/13 and not a wedge connector for a 10/11) also that the harness is plugged into the backplane,  but if you send me the Head and Transport I would be more than glad to test and see if that is the problem

Yeah unfortunately I don't have a spare.  What I'm going to do is test the continuity between the wires on the transport connector and the head.   That bundle of small wires looks like they were pinched going in and out of the slot.

I checked the board and the correct switches are set -

Could it be the chip I bought?   How much does a 13  transport go for?

I agree with Jim, it's most likely the head, when the bv doesn't cycle at all. 
W

I'll send the stuff to Jim for testing.  Thanks!

Good news and Bad news, the Good news is your transport looks like new, the Bad news is there are no Motors in it, see pics, but at least you know the machine isn't messed up

"There's your problem...."

lol

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Dan #2

Heres the finished solution, 2 motors 2 drive gear & flags and clean up the head, calibrated and tested, you are good to go now, you will have back Monday

Your the best!

I would have never figured that out in a million years.

Hey Jim, while you're at it I have a cash can with nothing inside, if I send it to you could you fill it up and get it back to me??  :72- :72- :72-

 Dan (tacman)

Sure, but it will be a surprise when u get it back

DOH!!  :25- :25- :25-

You could always give him what he really wants, just not shaped as he would have liked..  :79-  I hear that you can buy bags of shredded money for next to nothing. :5- :97- :97- :97-

Are the motors a normal item to be taken out and replaced?   

I wonder why they would have been removed.

Some kid has a decent motor for his school project.......

Because the transport was fairly new and they cost about $85 a pair new (CORRECTED) but in an old Happ flyer they were over 60 ea plus the gears

That's nuts!  How much does a whole transport cost?

It's not nuts. Have you ever priced a new slot machine? 10-12K would be a good price. Have you ever considered how much conversion kits cost new from the manufacturer that we expect to get for $150 or less? These machines and the parts made by secondary suppliers (like JCM) are meant to be sold to businesses who will use the product to generate revenue, not to consumers. A price of $125 wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

I believe a new complete WBA is around $650, I would have to look
Current AGE catalog price $490 for the transport and $362.75 for the head, no I doubt they have sold many, but I will tell you a UBA -10 is just about a $1000 for a unit today

I can understand the $400 price for the new transport.   That is specificaly machined for a slot. 
In my opinion $125 for a common motor is expensive.  At least from what I see in the picture they look like standard - like they could have many uses other than a slot machine.    Maybe there is some secrete mojo in there I don't know about...  Anyway were talking NEW.   

Does anyone on the site have a new slot??   It would be cool to see some pictures.  I wonder if they have new slot smell  :103-

Wow! :41- I knew they were expensive, but....

I originally said $125 for the set, I went by an old Happ flyer, it was over 2 years old, I looked them up and corrected the post to say $85 for the pair, one was just under 43 and the other just under 42, not that I have ever bought one at that, and seldom replace them, but I did for you since your transport looked so good, many things are marked up in the gaming field by suppliers it appears, more of a convenience I believe

It's just like everything else. The price goes way up when it's intended for commercial use. Back in 2000 the company that I worked for had to pay over $3000 for a PieceOfS-- DOS software program because it was the only way to accomplish the task at hand. It involved sensitive data exchange with another company and was the only approved software for the job; we had no choice, and the company that sold the software knew that of its product and priced it accordingly. Still, the truth is that it was petty cash for us and didn't even require approval, since we were spending over $3 mil on server hardware and software anyway. However, if I were a consumer and had wanted that software for some reason, I'd have been incensed over that ridiculous price.

I just got a couple of the UBA 10s I like the fact that they can be upgraded through the USB port in the front, expensive but so are the WBA21 heads. NOTE the UBA10 is a combined transport and head unit and requires a different housing.


Thanks,
Wayne

I would like to thank Jim a blue ridge slots. 

I got the transport this morning at 7:20 AM and it works perfectly.. So now my 6000 is working 100%!!

Thanks to you all.   

Thanks for letting us know.  I had no doubt that Jim would come through.

W