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Hey all,

Has anyone replaced their T8 bulbs with T8 LED tubes?

I was looking on eBay at these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-T8-Tube-Replacement-Light-18-380-LUM-RV-Marine-8-30v-12v-T8188301-/320909636453?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4ab7b47365&vxp=mtr

They look like they would work..  I'm just curious if anyone else has done this yet?   

Thanks!

-TheChad

Looks like it would work but take a look at the Lumen's. That bulb is 380 and the standard bulb is 845. So if you want
less light that's the one. Also you could buy 4 to 6 standard bulbs for that price. :103-

Ron (r273)

These work great in my opinion (link). - I changed out all my machines to them. Bright, clear, and easy as shat to install. - The only thing that may bug some people is the LED's kinda reflect off your strips (Depending on your strips Mintski level that is. I get 'Arc eye' occasionally due to strips with a mintski level of 10).. Ha.. A little adjusting can minimize that though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-HAPP-LightPro-91-1017-00-LED-Light-Lamp-Tube-REPLACES-2-FLUORESCENT-BULBS-/251383739056?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a87a372b0 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-HAPP-LightPro-91-1017-00-LED-Light-Lamp-Tube-REPLACES-2-FLUORESCENT-BULBS-/251383739056?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a87a372b0)

Cheers,
Harvs

Harvs, what's your secret to adjusting the LED strips to reduce that glare off the strips?  I have color changing LED's replacing the reel glass floro in my Breaking Bad S2000, and it's fine when playing it standing up, but if you pull up a chair, eye level drops enough that the reflection of the LED's on the strips is a killer.  Interested to hear any solutions.

By adjusting them I don't get rid of all the glare, it does help a bit though. I have mine angled more towards the glass rather then straight down on the reels/strips. I may try a film of some sort to diffuse them as well..

I played the machines for a bit tonight and still have some adjusting to do.., as you can see by my mildly irritated eyes.  :47-

Harvs

lol, yeah I'd say they're slightly irritated  ;)

Here is the difference in glare from sitting down and standing up on mine.  A little hard to see in the pic, but you get the idea.  I think I need a piece of white-ish backlit film to diffuse them, as you mentioned.

(http://www.angryninjas.com/cloud/lit1.jpg)(http://www.angryninjas.com/cloud/lit2.jpg)

Yup, same here. - I'm cool with it, for now.. Prob try some film or whatnot down the road..

Those LED T8's are available with frosted tubes..

It sounds like that would be ideal...  As well as making sure they are wLED's (wide angel) so they dont spot beam as bad..

-TheChad

Yeah, I've seen that.  But not available for my color changing remote controlled one's  ;)  I'd lose my themed lighting

I wonder if Krylon Dulling Spray wouldn't do the trick. It's removable, but if left untouched, I assume your strips would have more of a satin finish instead of gloss.

That's a thought!

And for not a lot of money.

Rust-Oleum 11-oz Frosted Glass Matte Spray Paint (http://www.lowes.com/pd_89137-90-1903830_5005558__?productId=3592474&Ntt=spray+paint&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3Dspray%2Bpaint&facetInfo=1)

I assume this is what you were talking about?   Seem's like the perfect solution!

-TheChad

Check out Krylon's product first - it only reduces gloss. I'm afraid the frosted glass spray may reduce gloss AND transparency, leaving your reels looking like they're sitting behind shower glass.

I'm just a little slow so am I to understand that some of you are changing to 12 volt LEDs and others are using 24 volt LEDS, but the LEDs are not doing what we like so now the LED must either be painted or covered with a film? So why is the LED so much better ??

Tell you a story about LEDs, one day not to long ago I got a wild hair and decided to replace all the bulbs in the gauges in my Peterbilt. I have a total of nineteen gauges I installed a White LED in every gauge and I will say at night it does look pretty good but have just a couple of problems with them. One problem was the LED in the speedometer would only work sometimes, using a small flashlite I was OK there. The other problem,  in five of the gauges I can't see the hand in the gauge because of the piss poor lighting from a LED light bulb. Not a big deal except one of those gauges I can't see the hand is the engine oil pressure gauge. Oh  have a low oil pressure light and a buzzer that sounds off if the pressure drops and if all else the fails the computer will shut off the engine if you don't, of course it shuts off the engine in a place where you don't want to be. It's a real pain in the ass to have a cup of coffee in one hand a flashlite in the other hand trying to shift a 18 speed transmission and not run off the road.

As you can see I just love LEDs oh they look good in a button or factory backlit reels, other than that you can take your LEDs and stick they where the Sun doesn't shine.

That will definitely stop the mild glare from the LEDS on my reel strips, I'm gonna try that the sec I get home! Maybe even a whole set at once!! Thanks for the tip Buzz!

- I personally think they are brighter then floro's, and just a whiter light. They also don't heat up like the floro's or have the ability to fade my strips over time.. They should last a long time as well. For those reasons I like them.  And, I can deal with a little glare without having to put spray or film on them. 

Harvs

I was about to go the LED route, but decided to try some different bulbs in place of my f15T8 that is a 3000K bulb.  Tried a case of 4100K F15t8 bulbs from topbulb.com.  Wow, what a differencem a much brighter light.  Ended up replacing all my award and belly glass, and reel lamps with these.  Looks so much better, and brighter, but not so much that they look strange or different from what we are used to.  Nice and bright, no need for LED tubes here. 

I'm with ya on that one, Buzz

My belly glass bulb in a Game King was dimming pretty frequently due to a temperamental ballast connection which was annoying. So I bought a 24V LED tube replacement. It bypasses the pesky ballast and I was also curious how the LED would look. I just put it in today and I'm pleased with the crisp white light I get out of it.

For me, the LEDs give the ol' s2000s a fresh, new look. When they arrive, they're usually dingy, yellowed and faded. The cool bright lights make them instantly new again and a bit more of a showpiece. Just my humble opinion.

Well, first let me explain a bit about LED's..  First it is VERY important to know that NOT ALL LED's are created equal, there are TONS of different typed of LED's alone, then you have the manufacturing of the completed LED bulb itself and the quality or lack there of in some cases!

There is usually a reason why eBay LED's are cheap...  A quality built LED bulb should out last any and every one of us!

Which brings me to the next point, you can build the same "bulb" 10 different ways with several different actual LED's and get completely different results!

LED's can be 100's of times more intense than an incandescent bulb, or not!  They have wLED's which are wide angel LED's and spread the beam further apart.  There are just 100's or 1000's of variables!

A quality LED bulb manufactured correctly and set up in an appropriate array will not only offer way better performance, it will offer much reduced power consumption and a much cleaner light output with much more intense light.

LED's may not be great for ALL applications right now, however they are and will soon take over EVERY form of modern lighting!

The biggest thing with LED lights is quality of manufacturing and correct setup/array for a particular application!

As for spraying on or covering the bulb lens this would just diffuse the light better, still maintaining the brilliant intense LED light, just diffuse it so its not so much of a "spot beam" but more of just ambient light!

-TheChad

Pics please!!

I can't agree more -  I love my LED bulbs - especially for the reel light  - It makes a huge difference. 

one more -  for me it really updates the old girls and makes them a joy to have around

This is with all the lights off in the room. In person the dark blue colors up top are more vibrant and deep, the center area where the light tube is are more baby blue.
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff96/travis543/IMG_1175_zps978a3011.jpg)

The machines glow with the LED's. Hard to tell by the pic but all have them. Well worth the $20+ to try a set.

Harvs

$20 per machine times 120 machines equals $2400.00 any way you look at it !!

I've about fugured out how to turn every backlit reel into a LED backlit for less than twenty dollars, but I think I'll just keep that one to myself for a while. Who knows maybe it won't work but I think it will.

Now that'd be a good tip Buzz.. I am in the ER because I followed your directions on where to stick my LED bulbs.. It cured the minor glare prob, but added some others..  (Aren't floros like $15 per machine, Buzz?)

Cool pics, guys!

Very well said!  :331-

I have Three LED replacements inside my S2000 and they are Bright and look awesome!

These are the one's that I am using from AG&E ... Part Number: 007A0375-001

www.agegaming.com/products/products.asp?CategoryId=1359&ItemId=102041 (http://www.agegaming.com/products/products.asp?CategoryId=1359&ItemId=102041)

Wow Chad! How'd you learn so much about LEDs in just a week?!?!! Wasn't it just last week you were asking which bulbs you needed for replacements in your display and (potentially) reels? You have been doing some homework!

Roslyn, I've know a lot about electronics/LED's, Not soo much about Slot Machines..

But I learn very quickly!  I am 100% positive that LED's improve the look of the machines!   It's like night and day!

The expensive part is finding the right LED's for the right application in the machine..  LED's obviously aren't cheap, they are worth the money in the long run in both energy savings and overall cost, their lifespan will out weigh their cost fairly quickly, all that said, it's gets VERY expensive experimenting to find the correct bulb for the application.  Trying many different ones to find the correct one will get very expensive very quickly!   That is why I have been asking other's opinions to hopefully at least narrow down all the available options!

I am convinced changing the Reel backlit bulbs out to LED's is not a problem.  The ONLY problem is that the LED's stay on all the time, so if one could figure out how to get them to turn off when not backlighting the reel, it would be an upgrade I'm pretty sure most here would do..

Anyway, I definitely want to change out my fluorescents to LED tubes, I just need to find the right ones..  Then I need to find the right bulbs for my button lamps, I found some that work great, but they are too big to fit in the buttons (They have to be installed from the top of the button, obviously not ideal).  Now I just have to try and find one that is 360 degree output but smaller profile..

-TheChad

I have a feeling if you have 120 machines $2400 is only a drop in the pond to the cost of the machines!!   Not to mention the amound of energy savings you would get from 120 machines, they would pay for them self's in no time!

If you figured out a way, why not share it? Isn't what what this forum is all about!?

Not sure how you would do it for under $20, the LED's would cost more than that, typically $2-4 per bulb, 18 bulbs..  I'm not doubting you, curious if you will!   You are seemingly very very knowledgeable of these machines!

-TheChad

You DO realize people/dealers/vendors do not keep ALL their inventory on 24/7, right? I dont know of ANYONE, with anywhere from 100 to 10,000 machines, that would have ALL of their inventory powered on at one time. I'm not really sure what your question is, or if there even is one??

Sure, LEDs might save some $$$ on the electric bill (assuming you keep the machine in quite a bit) and may look a little nicer to some people, but, certainly not a deal maker or breaker.

I was merely impressed at the knowledge you had gained in the last week or so, nothing more. Sorry if I ruffled a feather.  :103-

Installation instructions from last year still apply.

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=20721.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=20721.0)

Roslyn,

No feathers ruffled!  That reply was to Buzz..

He was saying $20 times 120 machines..  In the scheme of things $20 for a machine is a drop in the lake..  That's all I was saying.. 

I know when I bought my machine, if a complete LED lighting upgrade was offered, I would have likely bought it!

-TheChad

How do I start this, "sharing" that's a huge word, I don't think until now I've ever on this site been accused of not sharing knowledge, parts are what ever. OK now when a fellow does share the knowledge with another member that something will not work and that other member tells you to get fucked he knows better and hes going to do it his way, you get just a little pissed off. ( By the way the LED backlit reels still look like crap don't they ) I posted the spec sheet for the Lumens of a couple of light bulbs for you, your commet was " That can't be true " WTF, did I change the specs.  guess I'm wrong and your right, with your naked eye you know more about the Lumens of a light bulb than the people that made the bulb.

Now you say I need (18) BULBS @ 2/4  dollars each for LED backlit. So I'll tell you what I'll do, if you can find just one bulb in a IGT factory LED backlit reel I'll kiss your ass.

Now the picture the LEDs have only 9 volts going to them not 14 and the strip is 16 feet long cost $14.50 with shipping from China !!!!!!!!!!!

I did not mean to "accuse" you of any such thing..  That was your words to be exact..




Okay..  I didn't tell you to "go get fucked" and I wasn't questioning what you posted, in fact I saw the same specs you did before you posted them..   The XE359's have LESS lumens than the 194,  but does that make since to you?   A little unknown fact here is that another one of my hobbies I have been doing for many years is saltwater reef keeping, which as you may or may not know requires very specialized lighting, very specific light output at very specific spectrums, so I am VERY aware that just because a "spec" sheet says the lumens are less, doesn't necessarily mean that's what the human eye see's.. A great example of this is in fact LED's...  When LED lighting came to the aquarium industry it looks AMAZING, but other than "looks" it was unable to grow corals, LED light scatters VERY quickly and in an aquarium environment you have to have VERY intense LED's that are focused in order to penetrate the water column.   That is ontop of having the correct lumens and spectrum!

An LED can easily have a lower Lumen yet appear brighter to the human eye, there are also different ways to measure lumen's.   Which all goes back to what I said about different types, quality, etc of LED's.




Why would I want you to kiss my ass?   There's no competition here!    I am aware that the IGT Factory LED backlit reel's don't have "bulbs" they are surface mounded wLED (wide angle LED's)..

But that has nothing to do with your post:

You weren't talking about IGT Factory LED reel's, you were saying you could turn every backlit reel into an LED backlit..   Great!  That's what many of us would love to do!

Buzz I didn't mean to offend you in any way, My apologies if that is how you took anything I said..

Just as many here I want to customize my machine to make it a beautiful center piece in my home, I don't keep my machine in the garage, it's in my dining room!

RE: Your picture..    I don't know how you would get that to work for reel backlit lights, but I'm interested to see what you come up with!

-TheChad  

Excuse me if this has already been discussed, but the T8 fluorescent tubes replaced with "D" Daylight instead of "CW" Cool White type are very similar to LED light.

I'm gonna try that, but I seriously doubt the intensity of the fluorescents can come anywhere near the LED's..

The fluorescents in my machine at least bairly backlight the glass, definitely don't illuminate the entire glass..  I have a Round Top which i'm sure doesn't help...   It really needs 2 bulbs behind the top glass.   Even the belly doesn't really illuminate well..

-TheChad

I use the led tubes and turn them toward the reel glass so o my reflected light shines on the reels themselves. It provides adequate light and has a subdued effect I really like plus there is no glare on the reels from the individual LEDs

Doesn't that mean the labels at the top of you reel glass aren't illuminated?

That's most of what they are actually pointed at.

Can you see the led spot beams behind the labels?

-TheChad

Ah! Got it. Sounds like a good solution if you don't mind the reels being slightly dimmed.

No, it spreads the light out really nice the way I have. Would post a pic but I'm at work all night