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Hi Guys,

I've a triple diamond and a mikohn ChamII+ standalone progressive controller.
What I've done till now is hooked up my mikohn to my S+ and now the display says $ 0.00 (no further messages)
My question is do I absolutely need to be in menu 9 of my S+ to install the progressive? I've an SP 731 installed,
but the only thing I still se is 0__0 in menu 9 no further progressive options, my dip switches are 5 and 8 on, so that seems to be OK.
I've resetted the whole thing, other reel eproms still the same s..t! Does anyone have a clue? (should I run the PSP program before I
can set my S+ for the progressive setup?)

Thanks,

Jeroen

Maybe an odd question, but all reel eproms (SS) can handle progressives right?

Basically once you have enabled the LINK progressive the slot is ready to go.
The 9' options that you refer to are for the IGT progressive and not an external progressive like the Mikohn.
To enable the progressive I believe you need to do that on the MPU board via the dip switches with the 731 chip. Later chips do that in software.

The Current value, base value (amount it resets to when it is won), contribution % etc are all set via the PSP software.

And how do I enable that?
I allways need to use the PSP program?
(I'm not getting any error messages that's why I'm confused)

To enable your slot to use the progressive.
1. Open the door and shut off the machine.
2. Remove the coin tray, pull the hopper - its heavy as its loaded with coins so becareful.
3. The MPU board is a silver tray and has a black handle on it. Lift upwards.
4. The tray should have a sticke on it that says what each of the dip switches control. I think switch 5 is the one you need to change but the sticker should outline this. I would be more expliciit but I am away on a business trip and don't have access to look at my slots.

Per the ChamII+ the ONLY way to set any of its functions is to connect up a PC via a serial cable to the ChamII and use the PSP program.

Ok got it setup took me some time !

Messages don't work, but they DO work with de demo mode so that's weird.
And my progressive doesn't add up yet, but I read somewhere that it might be the
wires used.

The chamII+ supports messages under the Jp0 area but not under messages. The latter is for idle periods and you need a CON1 or CON2 before those will work.

Make sure you have enabled the LINK feature via the dip switches..... otherwise it won't send out the pulses.

can I measure in any way if those pulses are sent correctly? (or can I see some LED activity on the CHAM board?)
And it's jpot1.do instead of jpot.do?

With the S+ there is a 4 pin connector on the motherboard as the interface.
Only 3 of the 4 pins are used.
You have Coin In, Gnd and Data.
The Coin In and Gnd are momentarirly shorted each time a coin is detected or a credit played.
When a Jackpot is won the short is for about 3 seconds rather than the momentary pulse.

Usng a multi-meter on the Coin IN and Gnd Pins you could see ifit is actually performing its short.

I am us ing standard "telephone 2pair twisted wire at a run of about 15 ft with no problem at all...the leads ARE polarity sensitive and if you have it right the number of pulses sent each time you hit the spin key should correspond to the amount of coins played on that spin.

Also My messages didn't work until I changed one of the dipswitch settings (the last one?) on my controller and I believe I also had to my JPO settings with PSP..I'll have to check it out if your still having problems by firing up my PSP...

NOW i remember...I had no incrementation because I Did have  a polarity  reversal  at J1 on the CON1 and I DID have to "enable" the messages that I created through PSP AND there is a dipswitch on the circuit board Think it #4 that changes over from a built in standard message or the ones you programmed through PSP...

   Have I confused everone enough? ...these are just things you should check as they were the cause of my problems...

Joe

I manually made contact between pins 1 and 3 ( from left to right) and yes!
The progressive goes up each time I make a short contact!
So I think it's the cable (it says 300V cable, but I'm no cable guru)
I will now take a look if the board is sending out pulses with my multimeter.

300 v cable...wow!...maybe the pulses are being absorbed by the cable...just kidding...

  Do you have manuals for the CON1 and/or the PSP software ?

ALSO...Please make sure Dip Switch 5 is "ON" on the main processor board (in the S+) or you will NOT get any pulses..This switch turns on the progressive function in the S+   Switches 6, 7 and 8 should be "OFF" for a single non linked progressive

I assume by "at the pins" you mean on the CHAMII+.

Taking it one step further, what happens if you short between the pins on the connector at the S+ end of it? Does the progressive increase? The reason I ask is most of those connectors are IDC (Insulation Displacing Connectors), and if you don't get a good insertion into the connector, or use too small a gauge wire, they won't make contact.

Yes I have enabled DIP switch 5

@brichter, yes I did do that on the top (near the chamII+ board) and it works. I've shorten for 3 seconds and then I suddenly have won the progressive ;) I still have to check for signals but I will first do what you say, hook it up and shorten it on the bottom of the cable to make sure that works, I've checked the cables (I made 2 with different wire) with my multimeter and they made contact so it's not a broken wire or so ...

   Good ..So it appears that progressive side of it is working and Dip Switch 5 is enabled for progressive along with Dip Switch 8 disabled so it acts as a "stand alone" progressive,  at this point you will have to check for the output pulses for incrementing and please recheck the polarity and pins on the small board behind the hopper as that is what keep mine from incrementing.

On mine I am only using the first 2 pins starting at the left out of the possible four as you face the machine.

Joe - Thor777

On the S+ side of things. The Coin In and Gnd are side by side. Pin 1 and 2 (I am going from memory so I am not sure which is which). Pin 3 is your data in and pin4 is not used. So what you are calling 1 & 3 are connected to 1 & 2 on the slot.

Here's pics of both ends of the cable, yours should look like this.

S+ end:

CHAMIII+ end:

And here is the diagram from the CHAMII+ manual:

First of all thanks all for your support!
Mine looks the same, but I had to solder the thing (looks prettyt bad due to my soldering skills ;)
But they do connect. I'll make a picture later on.

On the flat cable it's

LARGE CHIP
1,2,x,x,x,6,x
x,x,x,x,x,x,x
BOARD SIDE

AND NOT

LARGE CHIP
x,x,x,x,x,x,x
1,2,x,x,x,6,x
BOARD SIDE

Right?

It's not working from the S+ side I enabled dip switch 5 but it's not giving any pulses.
Any ideas?

Once you have enabled Dip Switch 5 and have Dip switch 8  "off" you must first close the door once to enable the new settings to take effect THEN
   You should hit the self test button untill  a "9" appears in the "coins played" display...This will confirm that your progressive is set to "on" and as a "stand alone"

If you hit the selftest switch and pass "8" and cannot bring up mode "9" then your control board is not turning on the progressive function.

   Once you verify you are able to bring up the number "9" in the coins played area then check for your pulses at the little board behind the hopper , also out of curisoity are you using a analog or digital meter?

 Anyone else with any other ideas please feel free to jump in as I am not the expert...  :71-

Joe - Thor777

I do get a 9, but this is in my case still to disable the machine (it displays 0  0)
I'm using SP 731 that's the proper one I think?
I'm using a digital meter

I am going to check a few things om my progressive and S+, in the meantime, I am missing something (probally the holiday weekend's effects  :5- ), I don't quite understand what you mean by:
"but this is in my case still to disable the machine (it displays 0  0)"  :103-

OK..here goes...

   If you need to actually check for the output pulse for each coin LEAVING the S+...their are two ways to do this ...

1) (EASY METHOD)...Assuming your cable is good and hooked up to the S+ properly on PINS 1 & 2 of the little board behind the hopper (see the pics that  Brichter left you in his post to you) then remove the end attached to the progressive and attach a meter on the end of the cable from the S+ ...  black should go to PIN 1 and Red to pin 2 depending how you have your cable hooked up...

   Meter settings should be set to as close to 1 or 2 Volts as your meter will go and MUST be on AC to see the pluse when you either insert a coin or select the "bet one option"...  Your meter display should be "floating" around 000 to .25V AC and when the pulse comes through it will show as 1V for a split second...if you are getting this pulse there is nothing wrong with the Slot or your cable...

   If you are indeed getting the proper pulses then you need to check your progressive  dip switche and PSP programming files.
   The conI and conII controllers will send to the display the messages from files in this order--JP0, JP1, JP0, JP2, JP0, JP3, JP0 and over again. There are dip switch settings to enable an idle message to display untill a coin in is sensed, then it will display the JP amount as entered in JP0.
  JP1, JP2, JP3 are used to display lesser jackpots and advertising messages. If they are empty, then only the JP0 amount will be displayed. If the dips are set to display an idle message and there is no message in the message file then you will get an "empty" displayed on the display.

I hope this will all help...let me know...

Joe - Thor777

   

I think he meant "0-0" when under the <9> option for disabling the machine but leaving the lights on.
When the machine is disabled, it looks like <9> "1-1".
Which can also mean dial  "9-1-1" for the machine needs help!.... :96-

Soooo..been almost a week..did we ever get this working properly or come to any sort of conclusion as to the state of the motherboard?  :103-

Yes that is what I meant, I'm so sure the dip switches are ok, cable is ok.
But menu option 9 is in my case changing the machine to disables (which by the way I can't save)
I probably will take some pictures to clearify everything. I'm also planning to use SP 1271 maybe that can help me.

Both dipswitches 5 & 8 must be on.....

5 and 8 are (on my casing) for linked progressives, this is a stand alone.
I just tried it, no luck with that as well.

When connecting a Mikohn to an S+, you set it up as a linked progressive, since it is the mikohn that takes care of the progressive bookeeping.   Stand alone is only used with the 7 digit led boards that go behind the top award glass opening on the glass.

I see, thanks rick for pointing that out

I guess I have to see something like this?

Link Progressive
Display <9>   This page is displayed only if DIP switch 5 is set for progressive (on position) and DIP switch 8 is set for link progressive (on position).  Winner Paid window indicates which levels are enabled {1} or {2}, Coins Played window = 9.  Press the Spin Reels player switch to display progressive information.  Winner Paid window = first 3 digits of the progressive dollar amount, Credits window = last 4 digits of the progressive dollar amount (does not include decimal amounts).  Both external displays also show the progressive amount.  Coins Played window = progressive level 1 or 2.

But still this isn't showing!  :25- :8- :37-

Here are some images so that you can verify

And some more ...

To make it even more clear, I've made a video (I shorten 2 wires and the progressive goes up!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpeHihY-gl0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpeHihY-gl0)

YOU GOT IT WORKING.... Yea !   :92- :wa :136-

   A LOT of effort and but well worth it..  :3- and THANKS for all the pics  :96-

  I guess I have a unique situation as I have BOTH a Mikohn externally hooked up along with a "mini photon" in the S+ itself and have it set up as a stand alone  :103-   I sure hope I didn't mislead anyone and create more of a problem in a already complex situation?  :25- :30-

No it's not working, the mikohn works, but the IGT is still not sending pulses!

Thor: Your not alone. I found I needed the 1271 to get the IGT to be the second level "standalone" and the Mikon to be the top level progressive. The reverse is not supported in 731.

Jstraa: Everything looks good from a physical stand point. Lets get into your settings. What are your "9" settings at ?

I only get a 00 and 1 (which is option 9) on the "9" I still get that I can disable or enable the machine. But no "9" options like supposed (I read in the PSR)!

I bet you are in the wrong area.
Take a look at this document submitted by R273

Its in the UPLOAD a new file area.
IGT_S+_PSRs_&_TEST_OPTION_SHEETS_SIMPLIFIED_V3.zip

That's what I used :)
I pressed 16 times on the white button, and then I get 0  0 on winner paid and a 9 on coins played

In this video you can see for yourself, I open the door press the white button 16 times, and then ...
The last few seconds are that I'm disabling the machine, non relevant!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOPfU2wBYR8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOPfU2wBYR8)

So then did you hit the SPIN WHEEL BUTTON to change from a 0 0 to a 0 1

yes

do it again, but make it zeros>>>>>>>>>>000000000000000000000000000's please?


1's disable your game....think of dialing "911" = equaling "HELP!" :96-

Yes figured that out, but I thought you meant the 01 before that :)

On the PSR that was suggested credits 0 winner paid 31 says (self test) Set chip required, is that true?

Ok ok ok, I got it to work, not with a SP731 but with a SP1271, had I done this before I would have saved you, and myself, loads of time. Progressive worked instantly after I did the setting, still no clue what's wrong with my SP 731, I didn't had the options so it looks like it doens't use my dip settings.
For now I am a happy progressive owner! :) Thanks to all who helped!

   Really Really Glad to see it all worked out in the end...  :3-

Yes,
I 'm so happy you got it working!!!! :3-
Someone had mentioned that the progressives don't work well with certain chips...I think :103-
Anyways, It's nice to see how you got your gae up and running....
Fool around with various settings in the options for the progressives...you'll learn a lot more about how to do it...
after a while, you'll be a pro at it! :89-

Yes I guess so! I had the triple diamond 1 line 3 coin multiplier, I guess that might be the issue,
I swapped to a 9 line triple diamond now, so that sure is another game, with other possibilities!
I guess a mystery (random) jackpot is not possible with a CHAM II + ? I might leave it as it is now,
for 20 cents it add's 1.71 a spin (max bet) to the progressive, too much, but so nice to see the
progressive shoot up!

Yeah,
It's kinda fun to see the progressive go up...by the time you hit the jackpot,
it'll be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars...lol
Like I said, keep fooling with the settings 'till you get it the way you want...
pretty soon, the casinos will be knocking at your door wanting to to hire you...lol