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Hello All
Has any one tried one of these upgrade kits on a 7000 upright?
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks 2Moons

They sure do cost a lot!! $566.25 + shipping....Ouch!!

I asked that question (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=2774.msg22435#msg22435) a couple of months ago and got no answer. I would also like feedback from someone who has tried this unit. Personally, I would like to know the degree of improvement in the color and detail of the graphics, since the resolution can never exceed the actual images stored in the graphics files (and I don't know what that resolution is).

The improvement in picture quality is like night & day.  Though I haven't upgraded my GM to LCD (I have a digital monitor in it),  I have upgraded my Game Kings to LCD.  No more fuzzy images, washed out colors, waiting for the monitor to warm up.  I can actually read the small print in the diagnostic and setting screens.  And the LCD runs cool, not nearly the heat buildup like from a CRT.

Thanks for the information Midas, however, the results with the Game King will not necessarily correlate to the GameMaker because the graphic chips, the code within them and the resolution of the stored images will be different. If there is insufficient resolution or the color palettes are limited, then the results will be less spectacular. You mentioned that you have a digital monitor in your GameMaker. How much improvement do you see over a standard CRT?

The digital monitor in the Gamemaker is a vast improvement over the stock CRT I had in it before.  It's just as sharp as an LCD, but it's subject to burn in.  Colors and images are chrisper than the stock CRT. 
LCD is the way to go.  and at $500 from Happ, it's a fair price.

I do have an extra Game King LCD 19" upright monitor with LCD monitor bezel that I'm selling for $419 plus shipping.

Thanks again Midas, and K+ for your help.

All,

I did the upgrade about 3 months ago (same one).  It's an improvement over the old CRT monitor.  Now to face reality, it's still a 10+ year old computer throwing so-so graphics on a perfect monitor, but it is head and shoulders better... Not sure if I would spend $600 again though (That's the price of a pinball machine I want in my house :) )

Any questions, let me know.. it was stupid simple to install

HH

Can you post a decent-sized picture or two?

Hello All
I bit the bullet & ordered the LCD upgrade from Happ. I received it today & installed it in less than 10 minutes. The stock CRT and the LCD replacement are not in the same league. there was  a big big improvement in the color and detail of the graphics. I like it a lot. The closest thing i have to a complaint is it cost a lot of money. I would recommend this upgrade to any one.
I can't imagine any one not being happy with the big improvement.
2Moons

Wow! Your wallet must be thinner....lol  :3-
Can we see a short clip of it or some pics? :184-

Thanks 2Moons for posting your review of the LCD, and K+ to you. :131- :3- :3-

Ok, I have decided to try and switch a Gamemaker or two over to LCD.
I don't have the funds to buy one of these fancy kits so I am trying to do it myself.
Ebay had some 15" lcd monitors for $30 each and I got a CGA- RGA TO VGA CONVERTER too.
Now the converter has 6 pins for various inputs with two connection options.

Does anyone know which of the many wires on the CRT harness to use to get one of these boards to run?

I just installed the new 17" LCD upgrade on a 2003 GameMaker. Very straight forward. Just pull out the crt, slip in the LCD. You then must change the bezel on the door but that is supplied in the kit. Actually changing the bezel is the hardest part and that is easy.

 :238-  recroom1401  (I see you've been with us a few months but this is your 1st post)




Thanks for sharing how your LCD conversion went.

ok I'm going to bite this one . i see what you have said and what you have purchased to convert the game maker to LCD .

you forgot to mention the touch screen ??  now did the LCD you purchased for 30.00 bucks come with the touch screen ??

also I am not a bally expert by any means of the word expert . WHAT TOUCH SCREEN PLATFORM BESIDES 3M MICRO TOUCH

has anybody tried using on it on a CRT REPLACEMENT ?? OR A LCD RETRO FIT ??
will the bally work with a "ELO " TOUCH SCREEN ??

there are alot of variables in this puzzle of swapping crt units to LCD'S

NOW A AREA THAT I DO HAVE LOADS OF EXPERIENCE IS TOUCH SCREENS !! BOTH 3M MICRO TOUCH  & ELO .
Ican post pictures of a CRT TOUCH SCREEN in a machine or on test bench !!

that will SMOKE ANY LCD IMAGE OUT THERE !! FROM 15-INCH CRT'S TO 19 " CRT'S that can be seen from any angle clearly
and the colors are far superior than the LCD .. there from HYUNDI CRT FLAT SCREEN UNITS WITH KODAK P-S4 EQUIPPED MONITORS ..

dont forget the game video software was designed around using a CRT to begin with .. now for non believers later i will post pictures  . most likely under MEGATOUCH  OR POT OF GOLD  the old saying some old fart on the forum said once ?/
if it aint broke dont fix it .. there is alot of truth in that ..

I have 12 of those kits installed and let me tell you they look like new machines.... But one weirdo :5- customer last week broke one....  :30- :30- :30- :30-
Now I have to deal a new flat 15" touch screen.... and replace it.

Here a couple of pictures.....

More pics...

Thanks to my boss.... now I don't have o deal with the @#$!^& Kristel's, segai, wells Gardner's monitors :3- too  much horizontal problems as they age up. I have to admit that Ceronix ones are not on my the black list  :89-

Good Job Memusa! :3-
Thanks for showing us your machines!
That's the first time I've ever seen an "L" in front of the 15,000 on the progressive display!
Does that mean "Lira's" ?

L stands for "Lira's" as well as for "Lempiras"  :97-
I work for a Casino located in Honduras, so to display a more attractive amount in the display .... I place in the symbol filed.... "L". But the symbol for our currency is "Lps." but looks fine the "L" symbol don't you think? I was carefull in programing the game maker with a "blank" currency cause in our location there's always someone arguing that the machines displays the "$" sign an wants to get it's handpays in dollars.......... even if he played in lempiras :30-

Thanks for the pics!


The machines look great.

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ok I'm going to bite this one . i see what you have said and what you have purchased to convert the game maker to LCD .

you forgot to mention the touch screen ??  now did the LCD you purchased for 30.00 bucks come with the touch screen ??

also I am not a bally expert by any means of the word expert . WHAT TOUCH SCREEN PLATFORM BESIDES 3M MICRO TOUCH

has anybody tried using on it on a CRT REPLACEMENT ?? OR A LCD RETRO FIT ??
will the bally work with a "ELO " TOUCH SCREEN ??

there are alot of variables in this puzzle of swapping crt units to LCD'S

NOW A AREA THAT I DO HAVE LOADS OF EXPERIENCE IS TOUCH SCREENS !! BOTH 3M MICRO TOUCH  & ELO .
Ican post pictures of a CRT TOUCH SCREEN in a machine or on test bench !!

that will SMOKE ANY LCD IMAGE OUT THERE !! FROM 15-INCH CRT'S TO 19 " CRT'S that can be seen from any angle clearly
and the colors are far superior than the LCD .. there from HYUNDI CRT FLAT SCREEN UNITS WITH KODAK P-S4 EQUIPPED MONITORS ..

dont forget the game video software was designed around using a CRT to begin with .. now for non believers later i will post pictures  . most likely under MEGATOUCH  OR POT OF GOLD  the old saying some old fart on the forum said once ?/
if it aint broke dont fix it .. there is alot of truth in that ..


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Thanks for the help Rocket,

I got two 15" monitors the first one does not have a touchscreen, my plan has been to first try and salvage the touch sensor part out of one of my old CRT Gamemakers.
Just in case I can't get the touchscreen to peel off I also got a 15 ELO with a touchscreen. Unfortunately it came today and UPS used it as a beach ball....it is going to have to be replaced.
Now with the ELO I will run into my next problem which is going from a USB touchscreen to a serial input on the Gamemakers.

Now that I have to find yet another monitor I am wondering if I should cut away some of the metal and try to fit a 17" in.
If anyone out there has tried any of this I would love some tips.
Also I don't care if they are LCD's I just want to swap out these crummy old burnt in 13" CRTs and get bigger better and more modern looking screens.


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ok just so you know you will never EVER EVER EVER get the touch screen OFF THE GAME MAKER CRT .
THEY ARE PUT ON WITH EPOXY.  YOU WILL REMOVE THE GLASS OF MONITOR BEFORE THE TOUCHSCREEN COMES OFF !!LOL

THIS HAS BEEN TRIED COUNTLESS TIMES
its not like a arcade game or a williams monitor etc that use 3m double sided tape .then just blast it with the hair dryer to loosen up the tape and slide in old hack saw blade or slim jim and work it off ..
THE GAME MAKER TOUCH SCREEN IS THERE FOR KEEPS !!
Rocket

OK a follow up on the TOUCH SCREENS ONLY !

The 3m micro touch touch screen runs on 12 volts DC

The "ELO" TOUCH SCREEN controller runs on  5 volts DC

I don't recommend you hook up a "ELO" controller to 12 volts dc or they make a real cool >>>POP NOISE<<< & SMOKE COMES OUT !!
Also don't get suckered in on 3M TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLLERS when and if you purchase one or more ??
if you see a listing that says will only work for or "calibrated to work >.only<< with hypothetically a POT  O GOLD game
the 3m micro touch controller made in the last few yrs fit and will work on 99% of the games out there along with casino --to--- arcade games .
they all need calibration etc >>touch points once installed <<

as far as going from the DB -9 ------9-pin serial to USB  PORT on the controller.  
just get the correct cable you need take the controller appart and plug in the one you need to use .

I hate eBay sellers selling a 3M TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLLER saying it is special design for use with the POT OF GOLD GAME FOR 99.99 PLUS SHIPPING
that's a joke .. or the other ones you see on arcade games as MERIT-MIDAWAY-TOUCHMASTER- JVL - ETC that the seller states the same thing .
most used working 3M touch screen controllers with the 36" long cable connected to a DB-9 --9 PIN SERIAL CABLE END sell for as little as 9.99 --29.99
of course we all have seen people pay more for items on eBay .  :103- :103- :103-

so just keep in mind the voltage issue i mentioned above so you don't smoke a ELO CONTROLLER those can run into money if purchased new or used !!

Good stuff/info to know rocket! :3-

GIVE ME 10 MINUTES I WILL POST THE PICTURES OF USB CONTROLLER 3M
& THE 3M DB-9 ---9-PIN CONNECTOR CONTROLLER FOUND IN GAMEMAKERS

THEN THE INSIDE OF THE 3M CONTROLLER WHAT CABLE TO SWAP ON A LATE MODEL 3M CONTROLLER

THESE ARE PICTURES OF 3M MICRO TOUCH CONTROLLERS FOUND IN THE GAMEMAKER & MANY TOUCH SCREEN GAMES
THIS IS HARDER  TO DO SINCE ONLY 2 PICTURES CAN BE POSTED AT A TIME. BUT YOU WILL GET THE IDEA .

FIRST PICTURE  IS THE 3M CONTROLLER WITH DB-9 CONNECTOR & ONE WITH THE USB CONNECTOR

after you take them appart you will see the plug for the usb cable unit is not as wide as the 9-pin unit in following pictures
they both perform the same and are calibrated the same and both run on 12 volts dc

FIRST PICTURE IS THE DB-9 CONTROLLER----THE ONE USED INSIDE THE GAME MAKER WITH A CRT MONITOR

THE SECOND PICTURE IS THE CABLE END INSIDE CONTROLLER THE PLUG ON LEFT IS THE 9-PIN
THE PLUG ON RIGHT IS THE USB

 FIRST PICTURE OF THE 3M CONTROLLER USING A USB CONNECTOR

SECOND  PICTURE IS THE USB CONTROLLER SEPERATED TO LET YOU SEE THE PLUG INSIDE THE CONTROLLER

ONCE AGAIN THE 3M MICROTOUCH CONTROLLERS

THE DB-9 --MODEL

THE USB --MODEL

BOTH ARE POWERED BY 12 VOLTS DC

Thanks Rocket,

I guess I will not try to pull the touch screens off then!

I have two versions of the Gamemaker machines and have not decided which version to start with yet.

It would still be nice to use the touch screen control boards that are already on the CRT monitors.
I wonder if there are still 15" serial type stick on touch screens these days or have all of the manufacturers switched to USB?
Alternatively are the touch screens themselves compatible with both serial and USB control boards as long as the voltage is right?
The older version Gamemaker's touch screen control board says "Microtouch 1993".
The newer of the two versions of the Gamemaker has a touch screen control board that says DMAL and has chips by AMI and Phillips.
Several wires come from the touch screens to the control boards.
In the end both versions of the boards have only three output wires that go from the touch screen boards to the Gamemaker. (+,- and Blue)





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My last post may have seemed redundant...I didn't hit the refresh before my post and you had made more posts.
It looks like one of my boards is the same as the serial version in your pics.

OK, I have an ELO touch screen with USB control board.
Now the question would be....Do I try to use the ELO touch screen sensor with the Serial microtouch control board that is already in my Gamemaker?
OR.... Do I use the ELO sensor and USB control board that comes with the monitor and then try to somehow convert the signal to serial before it goes to the Gamemaker?

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THERE ARE PLENTY OF 15" CRT TOUCH SCREENS LEFT

13"


 14" --CRT
15" --CRT
16" --CRT
19" --CRT


I PICKED UP 4 --ELO 15 INCH  CRT TOUCH SCREENS OFF EBAY THE OTHER DAY BRAND NEW NEVER USED 49.99 PLUS 25.00 SHIPPING

A DAY LATER I FOUND A PILE OF>>>>>>     13" OR 14" INCH  I CANT REMEMBER??  "3M "  BRAND NEW CRT SCREENS BUY IT NOW FOR 16.99 .
SO I GRABBED TWO .

6 MONTHS AGO I PICKED UP "12-TWELVE"      19 -INCH 3M BRAND TOUCH SCREENS THAT FIT THE CURVE OF YOUR HOME PC MONITOR BRAND NEW IN MICROTOUCH BOX FOR 19.99 EACH PLUS SHIPPING --THAT WAS SUPER CHEAP UPS GROUND LIKE 30.00 BUCKS

IF I BUILD A ARCADE GAME THAT NEEDS TOUCH SCREEN .I JUST TAKE A NEW OR USED 19 -INCH HOME PC MONITOR .TAKE IT OUT OF THE PLASTIC FRAME BOX >> VERY CAREFULLY << THEN USE THE METAL FRAMES FROM A OLD GAME OR OLD DEAD CRT . MOUNT THE HOME PC MONITOR IN THE FRAME AND INTO THE CABINET ETC AND OFF IT GOES ..

CRT MONITORS ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD DAILY ..I PICK THEM UP SEE IF THERE ANY GOOD ?? AND SAVE FOR ORGAN DONORS FOR PROJECTS .
THE PROBLEM WITH THE HOME OWNER PC CRT . IS THE PLASTIC HOUSING HOLDS & SUPPORTS MANY PARTS SO YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFULL REMOVING THEM THEN MODIFY A BELLY PLATE FOR THE CHASSIS ETC SO IT DOES NOT FALL OFF INTO TINY BITS AND PIECES ON THE FLOOR LOL

DONT FORGET PACK RATS LIKE ME NEVER HAVE TO RUN TO RADIO SHACK -BEST BUY -COMP USA -WALLMART -TARGET -TO FIND SOME TINY COMPUTER PART .. ITS IN THE SCRAP PILE .. FOR FREE ..

DONT USE THE ELO OR WIRE THE ELO TO THE ORANGE WIRE IN GAME MAKER .YOU WILL BLOW UP THE ELO CONTROLLER

AS FAR AS USING THE ELO TOUCH SCREEN ON THE GAME MAKER ?? THAT WAS THE QUESTION I ASKED EVERYONE YESTERDAY >>HAS IT BEEN TRIED << MY GUESS IF IT WAS TRIED IT WONT WORK BECAUSE THE SOFTWARE IN THE GAMEMAKER WAS ONLY DESIGNED TO RECOGNIZE A 3M BRAND PRODUCT . SO I BET MONEY THEY NEVER INSTALLED DRIVERS FOR ELO !!  ELO ARE MORE EXPENSIVE IN ALL ASPECTS AND GAMING & ARCADE COMPANYS VERY RARELY
MIX THE TWO .. MERIT PRODUCTS DO ON SOME OF THERES .. JVL STOPPED USING ELO AFTER THE I -TOUCH 4 SERIES .
IF YOU HOOK UP A ELO TO A LATE MODEL JVL IT WONT RECOGNIZE THE TOUCH SCREEN PERIOD ..

SO STICK WITH WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED WITH 3M ALL THE WAY OR YOU MAY BE BUYING MORE THAN JUST A CONTROLLER ..

AS I POSTED 3M RUN ON 12 VOLTSDC --ELO RUN ON 5-VOLTS DC  IF YOU FEED THE ELO 12 VOLTS DC  IT WILL GO KA-BOOM .. I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE 10 + YRS AGO ..LOL THEY SMOKE LIKE HELL TO !!

DONT MIX AND MATCH ELO & 3M -->> YOUR ASKING FOR SURE TROUBLE !!

Ok..... well.......I just bought another ELO LCD touch screen right before your last post. I now have three 15" LCD's two are the ELO USB touchscreens
so I may be looking at a long road ahead. I am not worried about the voltage, I can build a regulated power supply from scratch.
What worries me is that I did not graduate form the university of USB so that stuff is a bit over my head.
The serial control boards have only one non power wire feeding the Gamemaker MPU board.
I have my fingers crossed that I might be able to use a serial to USB converter between the ELO boards and the Gamemakers.

OK i hate to repeat myself over and over .. but before you spend time and money .
what i was trying to tell you is that BALLY I BET !! never set up the touch screen software to recognize a ELO TOUCH SCREEN
OR ELO CONTROLLER ??

perhaps that way you may understand my point ??

im not saying it wont work ?? i just have never seen a ELO TOUCH SCREEN ON A BALLY ??AND NOBODY HAS CHIMED IN AND SAID YES IN THE PAST 5 DAYS ??

MAKES ME THINK ELO WONT WORK ..

Thanks for spelling it out Rocket I understand.
I was just beating the dieing horse because I already have all of the money sunk into the ELO, so I thought I might give it a shot.
On the other hand I have other machines to work on too so I take your advise and will buy a 3m setup for them !
I guess there are two types of touch screens too, Resistive and Capacitive.
My next step will be to ID the kind of 3m sensor that will work with the control boards I have on the Gamemakers.

Most of the 3m sensors I have found generally have a micro-thin membrane with a few contact points at the end instead of the white bar with the pins.

Have any of you on here ever tried an LCD touch screen mod on a Bally machine?
True do it yourself....not a Ceronix kit.

I would like to hear about it even if it did not work.

A better question does anybody know for your case above past ten post

DO  BALLY GAME MAKERS RECOGNIZE A "ELO" TOUCH SCREEN---HAS ANYONE TRIED THAT ??  USING CRT OR LCD
 

"DO  BALLY GAME MAKERS RECOGNIZE A "ELO" TOUCH SCREEN---HAS ANYONE TRIED THAT ??  USING CRT OR LCD"

I would bet the answer is no.

You might want to explore wiring the Bally controller to the ELO screeen if it is the correct type. Inductive, resistive or whatever. Does it at least have the same number of wires?
 

MY ANSWER WAS NO FROM THE  START.
 ONLY BECAUSE>> ELO << & >>3M<<< ARE TWO DIFFERENT ANIMALS AND RUN ON TWO DIFFERENT VOLTAGES
PLUS I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A GAMAKER WITH A ELO SCREEN ON IT !! BALLY IS TO CHEAP TO GO THE EXTRA BUCK !!

THEY SPENT MORE ON THE ADHESIVE TO ATTACH THE T/S TO THE CRT MONITOR LOL

EVEN THOUGH I OWN ONE I HAVE NEVER READ IN THE MANUAL THAT IT GAVE A OPTION FOR THE ELO ?
OR ON START UP OR A RAM CLEAR ETC IT NEVER ASKS ?? WHO'S T/S IS BEING USED AS MANY OTHER GAMES I HAVE WORKED ON DO ?

ALONG WITH I CANT SEE BALLY OR IGT -WILLIAMS --FOR SETTING UP THE PLATFORM TO ACCEPT THE DRIVERS FOR 3M & ELO TOUCH SCREENS ??

 

FYI,

Bally EVO Machines come with ELO touch screens.

great finally some came forward with some bally touch screen info !!

that is good to know for the BALLY LOVERS i hate the things myself ..but do own 4 or 5    I think ??
thanks for the info again

so....somewhere there may be some type of documentation on the Bally Evo Elo touchscreens, huh?

this quacks me up .. I hate BALLY'S but i bet i have a manual on the EVO SERIES
but i would have no need to look . the original question was to just help out the member that was trying to save a buck $$ and mix & match
ELO with 3m  or on that idea of putting in A "ELO" LCD TOUCH SCREEN in the Game Maker . you can buy rebuilt CRT units for BALLY 7000 SERIES
GAMEMAKERS .I would guess two monitors anyways !! for the price of one LCD RETRO FIT KIT FROM HAAP .

as I mentioned once before .the game maker was designed around a CRT MONITOR .That last in the machines in the casino 24/7 -365 days a year
for a period of 5 years lets say .. many more as we know .. is it cost effective to purchase the LCD RETRO FIT SCREEN KIT. For working monitors in the machines ?? or Even cost effective to buy the kit for a blown monitor machine ?
most likely the LCD RETRO FIT KIT will outlast the machine ??
Even as a NOVICE HOME OWNER VIDEO SLOT . I could not justify the expense in buying the kit from HAAP .WHEN THE WHOLESALE PRICE OF A GAMEMAKER IS THE SAME AS THE LCD KIT FROM HAAP. when you can buy a refurb CRT monitor
with touchscreen for 1/2 the price .
I guess its preference to what one's needs are ??

the one thing i have never seen is a dead pixel in a crt screen .. it may darken or green out or shadow in the long run .
but i have seen many touch screens fail & be replaced because some idiot hit the screen to hard ..

I thought someone might be interested in this.

When I refer to EVO. I mean my Bally EVO slot machine.
When I refer to ELO. I mean my $40 ELO touch screen from EBAY.
They are actually both ELO brand touch screen monitors.

I had an hour to waste last night, so I removed the touch screen controller from my EVO machine. I then swapped out the usb controller in my elo monitor with it. It basically plugged in with the exception of the power supply wires which were not a big deal. Appearantly the screen on the ELO was of a different type, meaning inductive, resistive or whatever. I say this because it did not work and the machine knew it because it blacked out the onscreen buttons. EVO controller had 2 lights. One was green one was yellow. I think green meant it was communicating with machine and yellow was representing non working screen. There were 3 jumpers on the EVO controller and since I did not have a manual for it, I did not change them. I would assume that the controller was capable of working with the screen if I knew how to set up the jumpers.

I put them both back together and they both work fine as they did before the experiment.

OK now that it's established the  Bally Evo-Hybrid  uses an  ELO  15"  touchscreen...has anyone tried to  take the touchscreen from  Evo-Hybrid and retrofit into a  Bally Game Maker ?   I know the  Evo-Hybrid  "platform"  upon  clear and setting the parameters are  VERY  close (on screen)   to setting up a Bally Game Maker.  ...drop down menus  etc..   Anyone up to a challenge and feel confident  it "may"  work  in a  Game Maker,  I'll  send them a  Evo-Hybrid  touch screen.
    I have about  35 of the Bally Evo-Hybrids. ...perhaps  this may be a way of  "moving"  the inventory...as the Evo-Hybrids are a bit slow selling.  Hate to junk them ... but the monthy storage bill  is beginning to add up.

  The only other thought  I had was to get the  Disc and  eprom  from a  Bally Evo-Hybrid  "Playboy"... to see if it will retrofit and work in a  single   button panel row... (the original Playboy Evo-Hybrid has 2 rows of buttons).

I understand what your saying .. 100%

 but as i mentioned it would be easier to contact BALLY direct !!or find a BALLY TECH . who knows if the drivers were ever installed for the "ELO" on the game maker ?? because its a total waste of time pulling monitors and attaching LCD of "ELO" brand if the ELO drivers dont exist ..

as i mentioned in many other post i have worked on many many touch screen games .. many dont put both drivers in for 3m & elo

because the contract they had when the hypothetical game here >.we will use "GAME MAKER" 7000 SERIES  that bally would only use 3m on there design concept so there was never a need or a way to install a ELO touch screen .


They may of made it strictly a 3m machine for life to give all proceeds to 3m !!which is common in mass produced equipment .



right down to hydraulic valves sold for heavy equipment etc .. can you buy a two lever lift hydraulic lift control for a john deere tractor at the john doe. parts store ?? answer NO !!

IT HAS TO COME FROM JOHN DEERE thats where they make there money  1/2 goes to JOHN DEERE THE OTHER TO THE ORIGINAL MANUFACTURE OF THE HYDRAULIC VALVE .
EVEN IN CATOLOGA THEY ORIGINAL MANUFACTURE NAME --WILL NOT LIST THE PART IN QUESTION -BUT IN JOHN DEERE -CATOLOG THE PART EXIST .

this would not surpise me at all with BALLY GAME MAKERS OR OTHER CASINO OR ARCADE MACHINES !!

WHEN DESIGNED THEY USE PARTS FROM A CERTAIN SUPPLER  THAT GIVE AVERAGE LIFE OF USE !  WHEN IT COMES TO REPLACE YOU HAVE TO BUY THE SAME PART FROM SAME CO. TO REPLACE IT . BECAUSE ITS COPYRIGHT PROTECTED ..

i just thought i would add to the question before someone blew up there game maker trying the idea out .its easier to find if drivers wrere ever installed than to go to the length of work to do the switch ??

 :59- :59- :59- :59- ELO CONTROLLER PICTURES  :59- :59- :59- :59-

ok i just thought for the members who dont know what a ELO TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLLER LOOKS LIKE ?
 FIRST IN THE SILVER BOX IS THE CONTROLLER --YES EXPENSIVE TO BUY !! MORE THAN 3M !!

second inside the metal box

 there are three sep. locations for plugs  


1.--serial cable output to mother board of game

2. middle plug for 5 volts dc

3.--empty plug with brass pins come from white plug from touch screen itself

the second picture is ELO CONTROLLER IN METAL BOX

NEXT WE HAVE A ELO CONTROLLER OUT OF ITS METAL BOX !!
HELD ON MACHINE WITH VELCRO IN MANY CASES .

I TOOK A JVL CONCORDE GAME YESTERDAY THE 21ST OF DEC. AS SEEN ON PICTURE

THAT RUNS ON BOTH ELO & 3M TOUCH SCREENS

AFTER I HOOKED UP THE ELO TOUCH SCREEN I WENT INTO SETTINGS .

IT SHOWS THE IDENTIFICATION ON SCREEN THAT ITS USING A ELO TOUCH SCREEN AND THE SERIAL NUMBER OF CONTROLLER
OF COURSE I WOULD OF NEVER GOT THIS FAR TO TAKE PICTURES !1IF THE ELO DID NOT WORK -SINCE THERE ARE NO BUTTONS ON THE GAME


PICTURE 1. CONTROLLER REMOVED FROM STANDARD METAL CASE

PICTURE 2. IS THE DISPLAY ON SCREEN OF THE "ELO" TOUCH SCREEN

>>>>MOST TOUCH SCREEN GAMES I HAVE WORKED ON GIVE YOU THE CHOICE ?? <<<< IF THE DRIVERS ARE INSTALLED FOR BOTH 3M & ELO
        TO SET UP THE GAME TO PLAY .

HOPE THIS HELPS OUT ANYBODY WHO NEVER HAS SEEN CONTROLLERS OF ELO ??
ROCKET

I NEVER LOST POWER ..I HAD TO SLEEP WAS UP 36 HRS PLOWING WHITE STUFF AROUND ..  :244- :244- :244-

The power musta went out at Rocket's house!   :96- :97-
Oh, he's got it up now!!! Good stuff Rocket!
Thanks for showing us what those thing's look like... :3- :131-

OK  Rocket... I hears ya...  however,  I wrote/spoke before I looked at my  Bally Evo-Hybrids  touchscreens...(I assumed since someone else said theirs were  ELO...)   anyways... 

  I looked at mine... and they're  Tatung   15"  touchscreens...

Will  Tatung  make a difference ?  Useable in  Bally  Game Maker ?  perhaps   yes/no ??

Hellio!

I am up to the challenge!!

If you are willing to send me a screen - I would be happy to try and connect it to my Game Maker.  Let me know...

Dan #2

Is there a calibration procedure for the screens in software that has to be done before use?

im guessing your refering to the ELO  OR BOTH ??

on 99% of the games i have worked on with touch screens that will accept both
yes they have to be hand picked on the display screen first . of which model is to be used !!

BUT THATS ONLY POSSIBLE IF YOU HAVE A RESET KEY SWITCH OR BUTTON SWITCH ETC
 TO GO FROM ONE SCREEN TO NEXT WITHOUT TOUCHING IT !!

IN OTHER MACHINES LETS SAY IT WAS RUNNING ON 3M --THEN YOU JUST PUT A ELO IN PLACE . LETS SAY IT DOES HAVE THE DRIVERS FOR BOTH ??

THEN STILL YES YOU HAVE TO GET TO THE POINT <<NO PUN INTENED  >> OF GETTING TOUCH POINTS SET BEFORE YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND TOUCH THE SCREEN TO ACTUALLY WORK ..

IN 100% OF MY EXPERIENCE IF YOU PUT IN A ELO -IN PLACE OF A 3M TOUCH SCREEN AND BOOT THE MACHINE -IT WILL GET TO A POINT AND LOCK A BLACK SCREEN ?? OR SAY ""NO TOUCH SCREEN FOUND "" MEANING IT WILL NOT ACCEPT THE ELO TOUCH SCREEN --YOU MAY SEE A DOS SCREEN ETC ON THE LCD BUT IT WONT RESPOND TO TOUCH  !!

ITS QUITE EASY TO TEST IT OUT ON ANY MACHINE . THE PROBLEM AS I SAID IS 3M ARE FED 12 VOLTS DC
MOST ARE ORANGE AND GRAY WIRES . THE ELO RUNS 5 VOLTS DC YELLOW AND BLACK WIRES

IF YOU FEED THE ELO CONTROLLER 12 VOLTS SAY GODBYE TO IT !!! KA-BOOM

SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO JURY RIG A 5 VOLT POWER SOURCE TO THE ELO CONTROLLER  ON A GAMEMAKER 7000 SERIES IT TELLS ME IT WAS NEVER SET UP FOR ELO ..--THATS WHY I SAID A SIMPLE SHEMATICS OF THE GAME MAKER NOT SHOWING A 5 VOLT PLUG LEFT FOR A ELO CONTROLLER WOULD TELL ME THE DRIVERS WERE NOT INSTALLED . PLUS THE MAJOR POST IS THE GAME WAS ORIGINALLY SET FOR A CRT MONITOR ..

LATER TONIGHT I WILL POST PICTURES OF A OPEN FRAME ELO LCD ITS A HEWLETT PACKARD USING A CHUGUNWA LCD
WITH THE RIBBON CABLE ELO CONTROLLER VERY SIMILAR IN DESIGN TO THE PREVIOUS ONES I POSTED PICTURES .

ALSO WILL POST A OPEN FRAME SAMSUNG WITH A 3M CONTROLLER MOUNTED TO IT SO YOU CAN SEE THOSE ALSO
THE 3M CONTROLLER IS IDENTICAL FOR CRT & LCD --EXCEPT FOR THE ONES USING THE USB PLUG AS I MENTIONED EARLY ON ON THIS THREAD .

JUST TO MODIFY THIS THREAD A BIT ITS BOUNCED AROUND QUITE A BIT ..

JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT THE CRT MONITOR IS A HARD GLASS THICK GLASS MONITOR AS WE HAVE SEEN FOR YRS .

THE LCD IS JUST TUBES RUNING BACK AND FOURTH VERY LITE IN DESIGN GOOD PICTURE HEAD ON ONLY IN MOST CASES

MY WORRY AS I DESIGNER AND REPAIRMAN AND USER WOULD BE LONG TERM DOOR SLAMMING >>THE DOOR<<<ON OLDER MACHINES AND NEWER MACHINES
THE CRT IS MOUNTED INSIDE THE CABINET THE LCD IN MANY CASES MOUNTED DIRECTLY TO DOOR . IF YOU SLAM THAT DOOR TO HARD OR WRONG WAY ITS LIKE TAPPING A FLUORECENT BULB THE WRONG WAY IT GOES POOF INTO TINY PEICES .. THINK ABOUT PUTTING A LCD DOOR MOUNT ON A SLOT MACHINE THAT THE DOOR NEEDS TO BE OPENED OFTEN FOR COIN REFILL OR SETTINGS OR INSPECTION ..

ONE DEAD TUBE IS A PILE OF DEAD PIXELS !!!

CRT TUBES DONT POP PIXELS OUT AS I MENTIONED BEFORE .IF THE LCD IS MOUNTED INSIDE MACHINE WITH CUSHION RUBBER OR OTHER IT MAY STAND A CHANCE OVER TIME .BUT I HAVE BEEN AT CASION'S ENOUGH THAT WHEN THE SLOT TECH OR ATTENDENT COMES TO FIX SOMETHING THEY CLOSE THAT DOOR LIKE THEY HATE LIFE !! :244- :244- :244- :244-

FOOD FOR THOUGHT IN MOUNTING LCD IN AMACHINE ON DOOR ??

OK im trying to follow up on this question .

your saying you have a TATUNG CRT MONITOR IN YOUR GAME MAKER ?? >>YES VERY COMMON << BUT WHO'S TOUCH SCREEN ARE THEY USING ON THE TATUNG MONITOR ??

IM GUESSING IT HAS TO BE 3M SINCE I HAVE FOUND NO EVIDENCE YET ?? THAT SAYS THE V7000 SERIES GAMEMAKER CAME WITH ANYTHING BUT A 3M TOUCH SCREEN ?

>>KEEP IN MIND TOUCH SCREEN <<
 people get confused and say they have a WELLS GARNER MONITOR --BUT IN FACT ITS A PHILLIPS -ORION - CHANGUWA-DUCKSAN - LG ETC ETC .
its whoever  WELLS GARNER PURCHASED FROM AT TIME OF SALE .


TATUNG MONITORS ARE COMMON IN GAMEMAKERS -THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY USE THERE OWN TOUCH SCREEN ETC .

 IF YOU COULD POST PICTURES OF THE SERIAL CABLE COMING OFF THE TATUNG CRT MONITOR I THINK YOU WILL FIND IT GOES TO A 3M CONTROLLER POSTED EARLIER IN THIS THREAD !!

PLEASE LET US KNOW THANKS ..

Ok, how about the monitor it's self. Do we know if Bally Gamemaker CRT's Use CGA?
Has anyone had any luck converting to VGA?

well thats a simple answer ..is yes it can be converted to VGA since i have never ever known any LCD to be CGA !!
on the POT OF GOLD THREAD  of my pictures that TJKELLER posted ..the POT OF GOLD GAME is a CGA -CRT  based game .

I ran a video converter to convert the signal to VGA . THE HAAP KITS kits FOR THE GAME MAKER must be running a similar converter to get the LCD TO WORK AS I DID ON THE POT OF GOLD

check out the POT OF GOLD PICTURES you will see MY  19" TATUNG SCREEN LCD --WITH 3M MICROTOUCH TOUCHSCREEN & CONTROLLER -WIRED TO A VIDEO CONVERTER -. TO GO FROM CRT  TO LCD VGA .. the converter i purchased from a seller on ebay "YATON????? < #'S from canada and china .

I have yet to see a converter sold like the ones i purchased 3 yrs ago that gave you the amount of screen adjustment as YATONS product. but i looked recently and the seller sells a diff model .

but to answer the question yes its been done obviously by HAAP ON THE RETROFIT KIT AND BY ME ON THE POT OF GOLD VERY SIMILAR TO THE GAMEMAKER -- EPROM BASED GAME 12 ACTIVE GAMES AT ONCE .. BUT WITH MANY MORE OPTIONS THAN THE GAMEMAKER !!

now to answer the next question can you go the other way ?? lol   LCD  TO CGA  YES THEY MAKE A VIDEO CONVERTER FOR THAT ALSO !!!


POT OF GOLD THREAD WITH PICTURES

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=2120.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=2120.0)



JUST TO EXPLAIN PICTURES BELOW QUICK --19"TATUNG LCD WITH 3M MICRO TOUCH -TOUCH SCREEN -
INSIDE THE DISPLAY IS THE COMMON WHITE /IVORY COLOR 3M CONTROLLER WITH DB-9 SERIAL CABLE OUT PUT

THEN 15 PIN D-SUB CABLE INPUT AND 110 VOLT AC INPUT FOR THE TATAUNG DISPLAY .

THE MAIN BOARD POT OF GOLD "GREEN"  IN COLOR WIRED TO VIDEO CONVERTER NEXT PICTURE TO CONVERT CRT TO VGA
THE VIDEO CONVERTER REQUIRES 5 VOLTS DC .THATS THE CONDOR BLACK POWER SUPPLY IN MID BOARD TO SUPPLY 5VOLTS DC TO CONVERTER

FAR RIGHT NOT SEEN WELL IS STANDARD ATX POWER SUPPLY FOR VIDEO GAMES TO GIVE POT OF GOLD ITS POWER
AND HAS SEPERATE 110 VOLT AC PLUG FOR THE LCD SCREEN SO ALL COME ON AT ONCE ..

HOPE THESE PICS HELP EXPLAIN CONVERSIONS

ROCKET .

Hello all!

As I investigate this further...I saw Rocket's response and know and agree that a Game Maker can use a VGA display - such as the one Happ sells - but what I would like to know is if the Game Maker is CGA or VGA.  Does the Happ screen use a converter to make it work?

Can anyone confirm if the Game Maker by default is CGA or VGA.  I looked at the pinout in the manual and from my guess I would say it's native VGA - but I'm no expert :)

Dan #2

Rocket what did you have to do to get the elo touch screen to work in a Bally        Paul

Hello all!

As I investigate this further and poke around...would anyone have an extra male 24 pin monitor connector from a Bally Game Maker that connects to the monitor they could sell me?  This is the connector on the bottom of the monitor tray.  I have included 2 pics below - the first one is the actual connector I need - the 2nd one is the female end - what it plugs in to.  I don't really want to splice my existing connectors in the machine...

Dan #2

Hello
I redid both male & female ends and these worked for me.
http://bigdaddy-enterprises.com/index.htm (http://bigdaddy-enterprises.com/index.htm)
Your headed down a rocky road. I have attempted what you are trying and I didn't have much luck getting it to play correctly.
After much bleeding, I broke down and bought the Happ kit & had my Gamemaker up and running in less than 10 minutes.
I wish you Good Luck
2Moons

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$40 ELO Touch Screen.

Hello all!

You beat me too it!  Did you get the touchscreen part to work??  I haven't got to that yet...

But I was able to make a cable so I can plug any VGA/SVGA monitor I want it my Game Maker - I was going to work on the touchscreen part next.  SO - yes, the Game Maker is a VGA/SVGA signal and you can connect any kind of VGA/SVGA monitor to it you want - all you need is a cable that is wired correctly - no converter needed of any kind - just a straight signal.  The pic below is just a regular HP computer monitor.  I took an old VGA extension cable and cut it in half and an old IDE flat ribbon cable (normal 40 pins) that I cut down to 20 pins - then it was just matching up the wires...I will post a pin to pin chart in just a little bit.

Dan #2

VERY COOL, that is what we were all hoping for!!!

Would it be possible for you to summarize what steps you had to do to get it working??? Details appreciated!

K+ for getting it going!

CaptainHappy :95-
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Just looked more closely.....

How is Cleopatra coming up on the display in the Game Maker??? I thought that was an IGT game???  :103- :103- :103-

Also just saw dpalmi's post as well!! Thanks for that exciting post too! K+ :244-

CaptainHappy :95-
 :nlg- ADMIN

Click on you tube video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2cvsnkZUz0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2cvsnkZUz0)


I am holding this information hostage.

I want a ramsom of 1000 karma points for it's safe release.  :99-

 :97- :97- :97- :97- :97-

I only got to wait for 980 more

That's not quite how it works, however according to some "Cash is King"   :96-  :96-  :96-

Where's Rocket when you need him..............

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k+ for the pics.

W

If you had held the two pair, you would have had a full house. :200-

I could barely see the queens through the screen on my camera.

Since my ransom demands for karma have not been met, the grusom remains of Game Maker can be found in a cardboard box in the garage marked spare parts.

It has been replaced by a much younger and more charming PC. PC loves it's new $40 ELO touch screen and endless assortment of casino games.

As Rocket has stated over and over and over again, you can't make ELO work with a game maker.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe4tX3i101I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe4tX3i101I)

javascript:void(0);I did it in the last couple of weeks and really like it.  It is expensive, but you won't have to deal with it again for as long as you own the machine.

Can anyone that has done the LCD conversion (Ceronix) from Happs able to post some pictures of what they are selling?
What monitor is in that kit? Part Number ect..
What touch screen controller are they using? Part number ect.

I would like to re-visit this conversion since I have about ten Game Makes to convert. When I called Happ's they had one kit in stock. :60-
and the discount for dealers is next to nothing. :97- :72-


Looks like I answered my own question.
They must have made their own boards.

Hi,
When I talked to one of their people - I did buy it through Happ - they said they simply drop ship from ceronix.  You can order from Ceronix directly. 
Jeff   

Does Ceronix offer a discount or a better warranty than purchasing through Happ? I'm sure they offer cheaper shipping. :5-
Never mind. I see that the price is the same on the Ceronix site.


As an aside, I had called Ceronix last year because Happ had listed the two LCD models as being for the "GameMaker" and "GameMaker Plus". I told them that the plus in the brand name only applied to multi-denominational capability and asked them if one was supposed to be for the v7000 and one for the v7200. The Ceronix rep didn't know and never got back to me with a response. I see that they have corrected their listing.