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I have a CBA-135-SG Validator made by JCM. I know it is for Canadian currency, but what is the American money equivelant to it.  Is it equivelant to a JCM-200?  It came out of one of my WMS 401 machines. Can a DBV-200 be put in its place without any change of harnesses or cshboxes, etc.
Thanks,
Eric

equivalent to a U.S 145 or 200.  the transport is different and I believe some wiring(can't remember 100%) is different as well.  When you have them both you will see what's required.  The entry bezel is different also.


W

Pretty sure wiring is the same and use a transport out of a Bally 5500  The bezel becomes a problem. Ashyron has the machine, maybe he can post a Pic of the bezel,

I have the Bezel, etc. See the picture below. Does anybody want to trade for a DBV- 200-SG?
So if I understand correctly then that means means I can use the same transport from the CBA-135-SG?
Thanks,
Eric

No The CBA uses two wire plugs. DBV one. I think I'm right on this one , the two slots on the chassis, the BV head slids on are wider. I think my Son used the bottom plate off of a CBA head  and mounted a 145 or a 200 SG head to it. another machine he just changed the whole chassis with one out of a 5500. PM me when you are up and about.

The transport is different.  I think I used the bottom plate with minor mods.  The best swap is to change the complete assembly.  The plate the bezel fits into on the door has a small opening on a U.S machine and large opening on a Canadian machine.

W

Wow, Talk about timing.
This was my exact project for today.
I purchased two Transport assemblies for Williams 40X machines. JCM made two types.

1) was the type where the DBV head screwed directly to the transport assembly with 4 screws.
2) Had a quick disconnect of the DBV head, It had a plate screwed to the DBV head and slid into the transport, held by a large thumb screw.

The two I got were the quick disconnect type. Only one had the lower bracket for the disconnect and both were missing the bracket that screws to the DBV head.
I was able to modify two plates from some CBA heads that I had laying around.
I have two CBA heads that I don't need if someone can use them.

The CBA is wider than the DBV, 71mm instead of 67mm. This carries all the way through the transport and stacker. It's possible to replace the CBA head on a Canadian transport with a DBV head for US currency, but it's not possible to replace a DBV on a US transport with a CBA for Canadian currency, as the paper jams in the stacker. I would change the complete assembly, there's less to go wrong.

It also has different connections as Buzz stated.

W

Well, the machine that my cba-135 came out of has the Canadian transport, stacker and whatever else goes with it.
So would it just be better to replace the cba-135 witha DBV-200-SG like op-bell says is possible.  Would there be possibility of jamming with this setup?  It sounds like I would need a different harness to connect the 200 head. Am I correct.
Thanks,
Eric

I am using a DBV200-SG in my Canadian Wms 401 with the Canadian transport and front bezel. I used the bottom plate that held the old head and drilled extra holes in the bottom of the dbv200 to match, since the screw holes didn't line up. I had to take care to make sure that the final position of the head lined up correctly with the transport before drilling. I also had to cut off the front lip of the dbv200-SG because there was no room behind the Canadian bezel for the lip. The harness in my machine had already been changed out, so I can't speak to that. I've had absolutely no issues with this setup and have had the 200 head in the machine for over two years.

Stat,

I am sure that I am speaking for Eric  :89- :89- :89- when I say that a picture may be worth a thousand words, but many  very detailed high resolution pictures  from an awesome camera  :131- would be worth +KARMA POINTS!!!  :71- :71- :71- (Of course I am speaking for Eric, and I have no selfish motivations for myself,  :60- :60- :60- but in case you know I would read the post out of general interest!  :99- You know my email as well! A detailed word doc with captions, detailed instructions, zoom pictures, engineering templates, 3D SolidWorks CAD Drawings, etc, etc, etc. is totally optional!!! :97- :97- :97- :97- :97-

CaptainHappy :95-  :72-

Hi Stat and Mark. Sounds interesting and like a great job Stat.  If you have time a picture of the 200 mounted would be great.
My only confusion is the lip that was cut off. Stat, by lip do you mean the bracket with the spot for the screw that fastens it to the transport?  Is your front bezel like the one I have in the picture? A big thanks to all who have helped me with this.
Thanks
Eric

Yes, my bezel is the same. The lip I am referring to is the bill intake on the front of the dbv head. The CBV135 has a flat face, just like the dbv200SS for the IGT. Bally and Wms DBV200s (SG & SH) have a short black plastic ramp that sticks out from the front of the head into which the bills are inserted. This must be cut off if you want to use the Canadian door hardware and bezel. I'll post some pictures shortly.

Ok, I understand now. I appreciate the help.
Eric

Are you saying that I don't need to post the 19 pictures that I've taken? :8- :8-

Too late!

Here is the front of the machine with the door closed and opened.

..the left and right harness connections...

...some closeups of the harness wiring...

...closeups of the left harness wiring front and back...

one more...

The underside of the assy showing how the head is attached via the special plate that goes with the Canadian transport, and the front of the transport with the head removed. Note that the bottom of the metal deck that holds the dbv head is smooth with no screw holes and has a hole for a tongue in the back center.

Here is the underside of the dbv head with the special plate attached. Note the two-pronged tongue at the top that fits into the hole on the transport and the two screws securing the plate to the head. I had to drill new holes in the base of the head to match up to these screw holes. The head needs to be carefully aligned with the transport before marking the location of these holes.

Another alternative would be to cannibalize the lower outer shell of the CBV and replace the stock shell of the dbv200. The screw holes would then be in the right place and the head should be correctly aligned, as long as the replacement shell is fitted correctly to the dbv200. This might or might not work in your case.

Here are the left and right sides of the head with the bezel/facade removed and with the bottom plate still in place. In the first picture, the front is facing right, in the second, left.

Here are closeups of the cut-off front lip.

Finally, a shot of the back of the bezel/facade and the right side pin connections

K+ for that tutorial, Stat

Thanks Stat for the pics. I am going to try to do the same thing you did, but may need to find the DBV-200 SG harness or is that the transport harness I need?
Buzz is helping me with a transport and 145 head, so I am going to see if I can do the same thing with those.
K+ to Stat
Thanks Much,
Eric

Eric  I'm about 95% sure the Williams wiring will plug into a DBV SG 145 or 200.  David doesn't know it but he has a DBV transport.  ( don't tell him ) I took a Pic but can't seem to get it to down size for the post.  DBV transport has one plug with 11 pins. CBA 3 plugs   8 pins , 3 pins, and 2 pins  CBA is 2 7/8" wide at top DBV is 2 3/4 

 :103-  Buzz, the bill path is quite a bit wider than a US dollar and so is the cash can. There is a sticker that indicates that the hardware is for Canadian and South African bills. Maybe I have a hybrid?

<ADD> Buzz, post some pictures.

Well, between the ideas that David has shared and the parts that your sending, I'm sure I'll be able to make it work.
It might just take a combination.
Thanks,
Eric

Well, I measured the transport, and Buzz is correct; it is 2.75", not 2 7/8" Now I really don't know what the hell I have. :97- :97-

I think with Buzz's transport and 45 head and with your mod. I will get it working.
You never can tell what mods casinos or previous owners have made to these machines.
Eric

No, those were for me indirectly!  :97- :97- :97- :72- :72- :72- :96- :96- :96- But I am curious to see what happens with the CBA transport? Maybe when he gets it done, we will have to pressure Eric for the PICS!

Or I can get off my ass and catch up with life so that I can modify mine as I have been meaning to do for forever!!!  :25- :25-

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CaptainHappy :95-

Oh, did I mention... MORE K+  :89-

Wow! I officially abdicate and present you with my title as the ultimate procrastinator. :131- :131- I keep meaning to give you lots of K+'s, but never seem to get around to it. :5- :30- (I know that it's really work that has kept you from your projects, :79- and I finally did find the time to give out K+'s today. :72-)

I even remember sending you, and receiving from you, large numbers of pictures exactly two-years and two-months ago to the day. Okay, I lied: my memory sucks -- I looked up the pictures and they were taken on 5/21/2007. :96-

If I remember nothing at all, does it mean that it never happened?  :103- :103- :103-

I guess that my memory really sucks!!!   :97- :97- :97-

Good thing for me is that I do not recall forgetting anything!!!  :30- :25- :72-

CH  :95-

Ahh, that's when you have peace. It's the transition period when you're forgetting everything, but can still remember that you forgot that really kills ya'. :47-

SF,

I feel like I am at peace!!!  :131- :131- :131-  I hope this doesn't mean that other things will stop working!!!  :25- :25- :25-

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CH :95-

There is a story about 90 year old Morris marrying a 19year old hottie. She being the crafty one after his money insists that they each get their own bed rooms.
On the night of the numpials she resigns herself that she needs to consomate the wedding if she is ever to get old  Morris's money.
So about 11.00pm comes the knock on the door and she says come in. Old Morris uses the step stool to reach the bed and proceeds to shag for 20 min.
The young lady so enraptured in her thoughts of pending millions gives him the ride of his life. Old Morris clearly exhausted returns to his room.
Well 20 min later the knock on the door comes and old Morris repeats the performance again returning to his room once he is done.
This goes on about 6 more times and finnally the young hottie who is now feeling ravished just doesn't know what to think but is convinced that he must be as worn out as she is.
The 8th knock comes and the young girls eyes open wide with amasement asks him "Again ?"
Old Morris replies .... you mean I have been here before ?

Thankfully only the mind goes.......

....and each time is a good as the first. :5-

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CH :95-