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Hi all,

I am trying to change the coin denomination on an IGT S+ Triple Diamond 9 lines to set 1 coin = 9 credits (tired of inserting all these coins !).

I use set chip SP087.
Credit on the machine is 0.
I exchange the game prom with the SP087.
power up the machine.
here is what i see :

winner paid : 65 4
credits screen : 0087

to be complete here are the chips usually in my machine :
game SP1003 TYPE 0/1/4/5
09/14/98(1-512) GRC

REEL (120NS)
MECH SS7105
10/23/96(1-64) GRC

Any idea anyone ?

thanks a lot !

Jay

What you want is called tokenization.....

You need a game chip that supports this feature........I don't believe you use a set chip.

The set chip = how many credits you get for a buck.
So if you are normally running this as a 25c machine $1 = 4credits you really want $1=36... and that doesn't quite fall into any currency scheme that I am familar with.
You might want to consider changing it to a penny machine $1 = 100credits you would then tokenize that 1 quarter = 25credits or the equivelent to a nickle.....
$1=20, quarrter = 5

I have not done this to mine but I am sure others will jump in here.

Jay (the real one)....  :72-

The 65 4 means that set chip is not compatiable with your game chip.

I use a set 90 to enable some progressive features --- it works with a chip like a 1271, but older chips like a 731 give the 65 4 error.

oh ok, so i need to change my old 731 for a new 1271. any idea where to find that ?
thanks a lot !

Jay (the other one)

Jay,

And I thought that your  famous :25- outside voice finally got an alter ego and was having a conversation with itself!!!!  :97- :97- :97- :97- :97-

CaptainHappy (The Reel Deal!) :95-
 :72-

Hi Captain,

any idea where to find a 1271 ?

Thx !

Jay (the other one)

I would try BlueRidge, Leemans Slot sales - any of these guys could get you one quick
Links are off the top of the page.
I checked your profile and it doesn't indicate where you are.
If you update and/or post your location we can perhaps recommend someone close or perhaps there is a member close by that might offer a hand.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What "Jay" said! :72- :72- :72-

CaptainHappy :95-

Hi Jay,

I pointed on the member's map that i was located in belgium some time ago now.

I'll contact these guys if i cannot find it anywhere else (eBay, ...).

thanks a lot !

Jay

The 1271 will not let you do tokenization.  You need one that supports euro-style credits and a corresponding set chip to set the token value.  The current max token value is 99 credits per coin.  A SET86 and an SP1137 will allow you to do what you want.

This is while using the set chip to set token value and DBV enable/Disable
Token Value
Selection <0> [15]   Tokens can be set to a value between 2 and 99 credits.  Credits window = token value.  Press the Spin Reels button to step through token values.  Turn the jackpot reset key to select a value.
Bill Acceptor Enable/
Disable <0> [17]   Options are enabled {1} or disabled {0}.
Denomination Selection/
Display <6>   Determines the game denomination.  The Credits window displays the current denomination, in cents.  The Winner Paid window displays denominations larger than 50.00.

And this is the setting in the SP chip, you want to choose "Token Credit {7}"

Credit Type
Selection <0> [5]   The credit type can not be changed if credits are accumulated or if the tournament option is enabled.  Options are Standard Euro credit {1}, Euro noncredit {2}, Nevada-style credit {3}, Nevada-style noncredit {4}, Lottery-style credit {5}, Semi-Euro credit {6}, Token credit {7}, or Semi-Euro credit II {8}.

Rick,

Great info - so 9 credits for a coin is do, able. Learn something new here everyday.

When you use your DBV can you then set that for a unique amount ?
Just in keeping with the 9 for a quarter concept - could you then do 36 for a buck ?

I *think* the token value only applies to coins, but I've never used the tokenization feature along with a bill validator.

I "tokenized" one game that I sold which didn't have a bill validator on it.  I made it a "penny" machine by using the 1137 and setting it for 25 credits per coin.  It had a quarter hopper and a quarter in the comparator, so when you dropped in a quarter you'd get 25 credits.  If you cashed out 50 credits, it would spit out two coins.

The DBV continues to work as per it's denomination.  If you cash out, however, each coin would be worth 9 x whatever the denom you set is.  So if you set it for quarters, and you cash out, it will dispense 1 coin per every 9 credits.

What about extra credits above # divisible by nine? Lets say you cash out 85 credits, do you get 9 coins and still have 4 credits left on the machine? Just curious if that is the case, or if you get some sort of error?

CaptainHappy :95-

I haven't tried that, but on most tokenized games, partial credits are handpays.

Thanks Rick, that seems to make sense!  :89-

CaptainHappy :95-

They show up on the books as "soft credit collect"s.

On my tokenized game the partial credits remained on the machine

I was set to 90 credits per coin, so if I cashed out 100 I'd get 1 token and 10 credits stayed on the machine for play

Did you ever try pressing cash out again after the first payout? :103-

Here is an excerpt from SP1008:

I had an SP1137.... never tried the cashout button again

I love when I open a can of worms!!!  :72- :72- :72-

Thanks everyone for all of the answers... educational purposes for all!  :88- :3- :88-

CaptainHappy :95-

thank you very much Rick for this very interesting info !

Now i need to get a hand on a SP1137 and a SET086.
Any other then SET086 can do it ?
I have a SET087 and a SET090, none of those can do it ?

thanks again !

Jay

I used something other than the SET086, I'll have to check my closet when I get home to see if I still have the set chip

Thanks a lot Brian,

Jay

Ok I checked in the closet in the magic box full of stuff that I'll never use again but keep around just in case, and it was a SET086. If I remember correctly I think I got the SP and SET chip from Blueridge. If he doesn't have them I'm sure someone will pop up that does. I actually have the SET and SP chips on hand but I sold the SP chip on ebay the other day, if the douchebag doesn't pay in the next week or two you can have them both.

SET086 supports setting token values, the other ones you listed do not.  There's another SET chip that also support token values, I think it's  58, but I'm not 100% sure as I don't have that PSR.  The 1137/086 is the set I have personally tested, so I cannot verify 1st hand the use of others.

I did, and nothing happened.  I even tried the jackpot reset key for kicks and it just entered its typical accounting/whatever mode.  I could never get it to lockup for a handpay with a partial token value.  The only way I found I could get rid of the credits was to play them off.

The PSR isn't much help. I've never played with one of these SP chips, but it looks like one has to select "Token credit" (option 7 in selection <0>[5]) to get tokenization. It's not really clear.

I'm going to have to put this chip through its paces one of these days and see just what it will and will not do in these various mode combinations. :79-

You are correct sir.  You set the token value (in my "penny machine" for a quarter example I used "25"), and then set the credit type to Token Credit.

Do you know the differences between these?
Standard Euro credit, Euro noncredit, Nevada-style credit (I assume that this is the "normal" mode that other chips have), Nevada-style noncredit, Lottery-style credit, Semi-Euro credit, and Semi-Euro credit II. (Is that the sequel? ..because I heard that the first movie sucked! :5- :96-)

Have you ever tried entering a country code other than US 37 to see how it affects these modes and bill acceptance?

It's been about a year since I tinkered with that machine and the 1137, so my memory is hazy.  I know at least one of the other settings permitted it to just accept coins at one coin = one credit.  Beyond that, though, I'm not sure how much I tinkered with those settings (as my goal was to tokenize it to make it a penny machine).  I also had a tournament chip installed so the new owner could play in tournament mode or standard coin-in coin-out mode.

Finally, if I recall correctly, I was not able to select anything other than 37, at least using the set chip I had (I remember trying for kicks).  I don't know if different set chips enable different country codes?

Thanks.  :71-  One of these days I'll have to experiment. :79-  :130-  :72- :72-

I just came across this in a different thread -- it was originally posted by Ozzy III on the old site, and offers some explanation of the different credit type settings:

thx !
 :88-

Good find. :89- There seems to be a bit of duplication in the settings. :128-

Hi guys just been reading this so thought i would let you know how i do it and what i use.
1.   Turn Machine Off.

2.   Remove the GAME Board

3.   Locate and remove the SP (Game chip)

4.   Fit an SP1003

5.   Move the jumper just above the SP chip from E16 to E15 if needed

6.   Place the GAME  board back into the machine and Power ON

7.   Error code 61 appears, press and hold the test button to clear it the machine should start up

8.   Turn Machine Off.

9.   Remove the GAME Board

10.   Remove the SP (Game chip)

11.   Fit the SET 19 chip in place of the SP *ensure the grove is facing the correct way*

12.   Place the GAME  board back into the machine and Power ON

13.   With the door open press the test switch once which will take you into the Token Value Selection Menu :-
Winner Paid window shows ‘15’

14.   In credit window digit will be flashing. Press the Spin Reel button to scroll through numbers 0-9. Turn the reset key to alternate between the 2 digits to set the value required.
In this case 25

15.   Press the TEST switch repeatedly to scroll to the end of the menus to save the settings. A small chime should ring.

16.   Power down and remove the GAME board.

17.   Remove the SET chip and fit the SP1003 chip.

18.   Place GAME board back in the machine, and Power ON.

19.   Error code 61 appears, press and hold the test button to clear it.

20.   With the Door open press the test switch button 3 times to view the Credit Type Menu. In the Winner Paid window it should read ‘5     0’  we want this to read ‘ 5   7 (token
credit). To change this press the Spin Reels button, then repeatedly press the test button to scroll through the menus to save the settings.

21.   Close the door.

22.   Machine should now be Setup to give the player 25 credits per coin.

thx !!!  :3-

For the record euro-style credits allow you to feed the machine coins past the max bet, the extra coins go to credit.  On nevada style credits, the slot locks out any further coins and the diverter then dumps extra coins to the tray.

I really like the "euro-credit" option chip SP1137...
I just keep feeding the crap outta my S+ 'till I run outta coins
(It's an excellent way to test the coin comparitor)
and run the machine on "Auto-Pilot" for testing purposes...LOL

That's whats nice about an S-2000, you can change it in the options menu.

Ron