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Hi, I have a bally Bonus Frenzy with a noisy 4th reel, sometimes its the 3rd reel sometimes its both, but most of the time it the 4th reel. I did run the reel motor without the reel strip and it makes the same noise but much quieter.  I read the posts on how to quiet the reels, but most of the posts were about reel baskets on IGT machines and the reel basket on bally s600 is different.  Also I notice the reel strip is not tucked under the lip of the basket all away around on one side. A section about the width of your finger.  If I try to tuck it under the lip it just comes untucked somewere else. Anybody familiar with noisy reels on Bally S600 machines please help me troubleshoot this problem. Thanks,
Mike From VA

Post a good high resolution photo of the S6000 basket
and we'll see if we can come up with a decent solution!

Wanna sell me your machine?... :72-

Ok I added some pics of the reel and the high spot on the reel strip.

It's amazing how those look like Bally reels...
oh...they are... :25-
OK! You need to pull the strip out from the end but don't take it all out.
If it all comes off, don't worry,
I have posted a picture of the little nub on the basket where the strip notch begins...
Simply squeeze slightly on the edges of the strip so the strip con-caves
and slips back under the lip of the baskets like this picture.>>>

Here's a couple of pictures of me squeezing the strip so they get in there under the basket lip>>>

What It should look like when done!
Thesecond picture is me turning the reel basket with my finger
and checking the lip edges to make sure that the strip is in there properly!>>>

Try it like that...if it's still noisy,
Then remove the strip again,
pull the C ring off the shaft,
stick some vinyl electrical tape over the basket hole,
punch a few holes in the tape,
slide the reel back onto the shaft through the tape,
re-install the C clip/ring, strip
and see if its still noisy!

OK it quieter now I did all 4 reels cause all of them had a high spot.  Makes me think how does this happen.  Are the strips put on this way from the factory or do they loosen up over time. I guess in a casino you wouldn't notice because of all of the noise around you.  Also I separated the reel baskets and where it didn't snap together good I put a piece of black tape to tighten it up.  Anyway  Thankyou  Stayouttadubunker   
Mike in VA

Well...glad we could help ya ! :5-
I am so happy your machine is working better! :3-
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to NLG to help us keep this website going!  :89-
If you have any other questions , please don't hesistate to ask... :89-
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OK my reel didn't stay quite for long.  I have a noisy reel but it not the reel strip or the basket or the motor.   What you say.  Let me tell you what I have found. Its the 4th reel that making the noise, but if I swap reels, whatever reel is in the #4 spot is the noisy reel. So whatever reel is plugged into the #4 connector is noisy. It seem like the #4 reel is not getting the same Volts, amps, signal, love or something as the other 3 reels. So I need help  :99-
Thanks, Mike

We need a Bally 6000 expert man by the name of a69mopar!
Give him a call...or an email..or a PM...or wait for him to answer...LOL
meanwhile, what you can do in the meantime is:

Check dat harness out with you eyeballs real, real close up...
or use a multimeter, pull the harness out, check both ends of each wire for continuity...
or look for some pin inside the molex and see if it's kinda "squashed"/"squished"/ "slightly flattened out".
Somethings not connected like it should be.
Could be dirty pins or receptors, a bad ground wire or heaven's no...the wrong harness altogether?
Can you recall how the 4th reel "started" getting noisy?
Pull the harness in and out, re-connect it and see if it works better....sometimes it's just a bad "seating".

(You need to get better tickets... :96- I know - corny joke)

I'm at my cottage on dial up so will get into this when I return. This is Thanksgiving weekend in Canada.   In the meantime, unplug the reel harness from the backplane board and plug it back in 3 or 4 times.

Thanks,
Wayne

Mark   I'm wondering if a dab of Silicone gasket maker on the staft might not work better than black tape.

It might be a good idea Buzz, I cannot really say...I just never thought of it or tried it.
However, I think his problem is the harness or something else
because any reel he puts in the fourth rightmost position on his reel tray - makes noise.

I just had a thought on this.... I was wondering if the problem is not the reel or the harness possibly.... Maybe it is where it is connected in the reel tray??? Maybe something is loose in the 4th position??? One experiment could be to swap the position for the 3rd and 4th reel harnesses and see if the noise of the 4th reel then goes to the physical position of the 3rd reel or not. If it does you would then definately suspect the harness, if it stays in the area of the 4th reel you would suspect the reel tray possibly? I have not looked into one of those machines for so long, so my theory could be total crap depending on how the reels mount to the tray and harness... Just wanted to pass the thought on!

CaptainHappy :95-

  The 2  S6000 I have the reels don't set on a tray. The front of them are held onto a sq, tube with one metal screw, and the rear just hangs out in the air. Could check and see if the tube has a broken weld.

I had done what CaptainHappy said and the noise does move to the 3rd reel.

"noise moved to 3rd reel"...now I'm really leaning towards a bad harness...
Check the pins ( Male ends ) to see if one of them is squashed...
check the receptor pins ( the female ends ) to see if they're grabbing okay.
I stick a wire in each receptor (the same size as the pins) to see if they "grab" the same for all the receptors.

Continuity is intermittent or broken somewhere along the harness or where it connects to the motherboard.
If you have a spare harness, swap it...
If you have a spare motherboard, swap that too.
Spare parts are necessity for simple swapping to keep these machines going...
Swapping is easy to do...that's what you did when you swapped the reel connectors between 3 & 4...

The hard part is this:
If indeed the 4th reel harness is okay then the problem goes further back...

I need to ask first though...
did the 4th reel spin quietly when the 3rd harness connector was plugged into the 4th reel?
That would rule out the reels themselves as the noise source.

Did you try disconnecting and reconnecting the reel harness from/to the backplane connector several times yet?

W (on the road home)

Okay, I'm home where I can type better.  First off, I guess I should ask how nousy it is.  Bally reels in the narrow position (they have wide and narrow pins for three reel or four reel respectively) tend to be a little noisy.

   Mark (bunker) had a few good suggestions as far as making the reels themselves quiet, another one would be to put a small piece of black tape on each of the reel basket pins that the reel strip wraps around, this would insulate the vibration so the strip wouldn't amplify it. Someone probably mentioned that you could remove the basket from the stepper motor and put 1 small drop of sewing machine oil(3 in 1 oil would likely do) on the shaft of the stepper motor (basket side), turn the shaft a few times then reassemble.

  If unplugging and reconnecting the reel harness from the backplane doesn't help, the last thing I would do is switch the U11 and U12 chip to see if it makes a change.  The U11 drives reels 1, 2 , and 3, the U12 drives reel 4.  Be careful with static, and don't break the legs off of the chips.   I use bent screwdrivers as chip removal tools, small screwdrivers that is. Also , check the pins in the main board connector, where it plugs into the backplane to ensure the pins are straight.

I'm going to throw a little positive karma around to those working on this problem.

Thanks,
Wayne

First to answer stayouttadabunker  question. The 4th reel did spin quietly when the 3rd harness connector was plugged into the 4th reel.
For a69mopar I have unpluged and reconnected the reel harness from the backplane, but I haven't done it  multiple times yet. Also If I switch the U11 and U12 chip do I have to do a safe ram clear?  Thanks  Mike

You're doing good on the trouble shooting daddy,
You gotta follow mopar's instructions from here on in because now
you're past the the harness and into the board and U11 chip.

No a saferam clear should not be required, but be careful not to short the pins upon removal.

w

OK I switched the U11 & U12 chip, but no change.  Do I need to switch them back or are they the same? I looked at all the pins and all looks good. unplugged and replugged from the backplane again still no change.  I guess I need to break out the ohm meter and measure the Resistance of the wires from the plug end that's goes into the backplane to the plug end that goes into the 4Th reel, but what setting should I use 1k, 10k, 100k, 1000k  and what will I be looking for.  When you say put a small piece of black tape on each of the reel basket pins. What pins are you talking about? The ones that the edge of the reel strip sits on? Also let me say to dabunker you were the first to respond to my post  provided pics to go by and led me to a69mopar I thank you for that.  For a69mopar thanks for all your help, and I must say I like that car of yours. CaptianHappy all theory's are good and welcome Thank you too.  You would think I just won an Academy award :3-    Anyway I look forward to my next steps.   Thanks to all  Mike

a69mopar,
I wish I had machines like yours to play with...
I can't figure out what's going on with daddy2yea's Bally6000
because I don't have access to one to play with...
You have to send me one now!   :72-
Write it off your taxes as "educational purposes" or something... :97-

There, I got THAT off my chest...now, I feel better... :96-

*****Back to to your regular scheduled programming******

Bunker, if you're ever in Canada, I'm sure you'll leave with SOME machines, they wont be free though.    Mike, The two chips are the same, and it was a shot, I'll look at other components later, if you had another machine I would say to try to swap the board, that is the easiest way to narrow things down.  The tape would essentially insulate the strips from the contact points, this would likely help for now, as well as the single drop of oil.  On 4 reel machines the strips tend to be a bit noisier, however the condition described sounds extreme.  I have to move some machines now, so I'll check back later.

Thanks,
Wayne

AAUGH!!! I checked the resistance of the wires from the plug end that's goes into the backplane to the plug end that goes into the 4Th reel with my ohm meter and all readings were the same.  Now it seems like the 3rd reel is starting to make noise to sometime. Is there anyway to check/verify the current going to the reel motors or am I going in the wrong direction.  OK thats all for now. Thanks  Mike

I think you're going in the right direction to Odgensburg,NY
(Famous little town in upstate NY for housing mentally challenged patients...
plus, they give you FREE tight white coats with long pieces of material sewed to the arms :96-)

Actually, when trying to figure out stuff like this and solving them...it's a real challenge sometimes.
Don't give up...how else are you gonna learn?

I don't know if this means anything but when I switch the number 2 reel with any other reel, I get a a reel tilt error in the position the number 2 reel is now in.  When I switch it back, I am able to clear the tilt error code.  Is there any way that the number 2 reel is bad causing the problem with the noisy number 4 reel?  If that makes sense.   I was a little late with this discovery because when I was swapping the number 4 reel with the other reels, it was usually number 1 or number 3, I didn't try to switch with reel number 2 because taking out reel number 2 had to come out between reel numbers 1 and 3.  Swapping reel number 4 with 3 or 1 was much easier.  Once again the noise comes from whatever reel is plugged into the number 4 reel plug.  Just wondering if reel number 2 could be part of the problem.  Confused on why reel number 2 doesn't tilt when it is in the number 2 spot but tilts in any other spot.   Help - I need input.  Thanks   Mike.

Hi Mike,
   This is common that swapping reels on a bally will cause it to fail to initialize, you can try to press the test button until 5d shows and hold the change button to make it initialize, may or may not work, or perform a saferam clear (partial will do), you will need saferam clear chips to do this.  Here is a video how to (yeah, I could use a coffee in it) for a partial saferam clear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ-yRz4AnYc   

I just got home and will be on the road again within an hour, but will look for other possible causes later, or tomorrow.  I do check on my cell phone, but it's harder to post on it.

Thanks,
Wayne

 :3- :3- :3-

Great video!


Wayne your much younger than I imagined you to be.   For no reason other than your avatar I envisioned you to be 60 or 70.

I also loved how your machine's chrome was 100% perfect - not even a scratch!! I have an S+ that's *almost as good but that is the cleanest I have ever seen.

I vote this one of the best instructional videos of the year
for the "Bent Screwdriver" awards!!! :3-
I wish I had a camera man....LOL

Ya Ya!! I was going to ask who was working the camera.  I may see if my dog will help and strap a cam on her back.

lol

Hey, a69mopar it funny that posted that video cause I just watch it last night on youtube. I must say you make it look so  easy.  I had to do a safe ram clear
the very first week I had the machine and the chip didn't go in as easy  I had to use a toothpick to line up some of the legs of the chips.  Not to muddy the waters but  the 2 reel is now noisy. Not the same noise as the #4 problem which  has an electrical sound to it, but a sound like a bad bearing would make. And in this case it is the reel.  If  I spin the reels by hand (machine off of course) you can still hear the noise on the 2ND reel and it still sounds like a bearing. So this is new plus still trying to figure out noise in #4 spot.  That's all for now Mike

There coming to take me away HAHA.  OK this is just weird.  I had turn the machine off. Typed my previous post about the 2ND reel noise. Then I was showing my wife how the 2ND reel sounded like it had a bad bearing (machine off spinning by hand) and would you believe no noise. Turned the machine on and still no noise from the 2ND reel. Just the noise from the 4TH reel spot Which is what this topic is all about.   This is making my head hurt. will post again if I make any more discoveries.  Thanks Mike
PS.  Atlantic City this weekend.

Try this,...
1.Take the strips off and play the game and listen to the reels.
or
 
2.Turn the power off, with no strips installed, look and
    see if the optic cutouts on the baskets are rubbing against the optic enclosures.
or

3.Sell the machine on ebay and
    get something else! :96-

Mike   A lot of people are watching this thread and staying out of it because you have two of the best helping you. I too should stay out but what the hell,  Are you 100% sure something is not rubbing the reel basket when it is spinning, most times this is a electrical wire hanging down. one thing you weren't told was, where the reel strips overlap you need a piece of double sided tape to hold them in place. Now if nothing rubbing the basket go to Bunker's reply #6 and Wayne's # 20 ( the oil and tape trick )  Bunker places a piece of electrical tape over the hole on bottom side of the basket where the motor shaft goes through, cut the tape much like you would a 4 piece pie. Wayne puts tape on the cross pin on the motor shaft to make the basket fit tighter. Now a word of caution when removing the E clip that holds the basket on, it can and will go flying also the basket must be put back on the motor shaft exactly the way it came off. Myself I mark the basket and the cross shaft with a Sharpie pen. One more thing all reel motors make some noise I think more like a whine than a bad bearing noise. 

Buzz made a real good suggestion earlier and
I think it was dubbing a little silicone stuff into the
reel basket hole to help keep the reel hole snug against the shaft.
I, myself, am now torn between whether or not it's a physical or an electrical problem now.

I almost wonder if there is a power supply issue, however I think that would affect more than just one reel.  For someone like me, who has many machines that I can just swap a power supply, reel or main board it's easy to narrow things down.  One thing you mentioned is that the reel doesn't make noise when you spin it by hand, a noisy reel usually will make the noise when it spins at a certain speed.  I'll look at the schematics tomorrow (just got back in tonight).  Oh, yeah, did you try the drop of oil?

Thanks,
Wayne

It sounds like the harness for the fourth reel.  you swapped the fourth reel out and the new replacement reel became noisy. you swapped the fourth harness out and the reel became quiet.  could be a short.  you would not see that if you just checked the end to end resistance of the harness.  you might consider carefully inspecting the wires in that fourth harness for breaks in the insulation.

The reel wires are in 1 harness, so connecting the wires from the third reel to the fourth reel and vice versa, is the same as moving the third reel to the fourth reel...  the other end of the harness for all the reels connects to the backplane board.

w

Dang!  So unless you can replace the entire harness, you can't isolate that.  Still, a close physical inspection of the cable and connectors might reveal something.  Would it be possible to wiggle the harness while the reel is spinning?

It is possible to wiggle the harness while the reels are spinning during actual "game" mode...
but he would have to make a bypass harness for the door optics to get his hand in there with the door open...
or
open the belly door and reach in and
try get at the harness and wiggle it...
wiggling means wiggling the 4 reel connectors AND
the OTHER end that plugs into the motherboard - with the door closed.

I have not worked with Bally's - but if it was on my IGT, I would just remove the reel glass itself - 4 screws...

Dan #2

Is there anyway you can record the noise for us?  It may just be normal reel grinding that you hear.    I'm so in tune to it now I can hear the reels make the sound IN THE CASINO!
 
 :25-

Ok Guys - a lot of good suggestions and I have tried all of them.  I have wiggled the wires while the reels were spinning using the pseudo coin button to spin the reels with the door open.  I have checked all of the pins of the 4th reel connector for a short by checking for continuity of each pin to an other on the connector.  I ran the reels without the reel strips and yes  it is still noisy, but not as loud.  But the number 4 is still the noisy reel.  I even tried putting a piece of black tape on each of the reel pins but it didn't dampen the noise.  Just for clarification, all reel motors have been given a drop of 3-in-1 oil.  I put a piece of tape on each of the reel baskets where it slips on to the reel motor shaft.  I have also checked and re-checked to make sure that the reel baskets aren't rubbing against any wires, optic sensors or anything else and they are not.  So basically, I believe we have isolated it to the reel harness back.  Good news is all of the reels, when in any position other than #4, are very quiet due to all of the good suggestions.  As far as the 2nd reel noise that I reported that is a separate issue that has been taken care of.  I don't know what happen but I was able to get an additional reel assembly and have since replaced the 2nd reel with the new assembly and that took care of the problem.  So now, we can stay focused on the original problem of the noisy reel in the 4th position.  Thanks to all.  Mike

Can you record the sound for us?
This is the 47th post and it's still not fixed...
If JDKMunch is right, then maybe it's not broken? :5-

O.K., working back from the harness the next would be the backplane board that the harness attaches to.  This could have a scrape (the board in the pic has a small scratch that caused the reel spin sound to be non functional, easy fix, was a pain to find.), or a cold solder joint.  Take a look carefully around the board for any scratches, there are two separate voltage feeds for each voltage as can be seen on the inset diagram.
There's a good possibility that the main board is causing this issue, suspect components would be RP17 and U13 which are next to the U11 and U12 you swapped.

I will look a little further later.

Thanks,
Wayne

I noted that daddy has gone beyond this test, but for future reference, Bally 6000s don't have door optics. One only has to pull out the white cherry switch to play the machine in normal "closed door" mode with the door open. No manipulation of glass or belly is necessary.

Ok I'll take a close look at the backplane board and let you know if I see anything.  Also I'll try to post a video or sound clip of the noise.  This will be my last post untill sunday evening because I'm going to Atlantic City this weekend. Ok dabunker and jdkmunch On that note I been to Atantic City since I had this problem and I listened every close to multiple Bally S6000 machines and none of them make the noise mine is making so I can assure you the problem is real.
So please hang in there I need all the help I can get. Wish me luck this weekend. Thanks to all.    Mike

David,
   You must be thinking of S5500 machines, the S6000 does have optics.

Thanks and see you soon.....
Wayne

I should mention that when I want to fool a S6000 to think the door is closed, I hang my flourescent trouble light beside the receiver optics on the cabinet, it then thinks it's closed.

Thanks,
Wayne

When I wanna fool my S+ into thinking the door is closed, I slam my garage door shut...
doesn't work though.... :5- :96-

Another case of CRS. I did/do not remember seeing optics on Buzz' S6000s. Getting older sucks. :47-

Ok heres A video of the noise. Mike

http://www.youtube.com/v/Hsb7WUA5kY0&rel=0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/v/Hsb7WUA5kY0&rel=0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1)

Jeesh! Sounds like elephant blowing it's trunk!
But I'll tell you what...mine sounds exactly the same...
Yours is a touch louder because they're spinning a little faster than mine?
Play both videos over and over and compare...
not too much difference except I had some music playing in the background and
yours has 4 reels!  :91-

Uh,...when copying and pasting from youtube...
just paste the part between the "  " marks ( from  http to 5kY0 ) ,
so you post up one single screen instead of two!
http://www.youtube.com/v/eWIQp7Aollc&hl=en&fs=1& (http://www.youtube.com/v/eWIQp7Aollc&hl=en&fs=1&)

I guess  I need to wait on a69mopar for a verdict.  Being I was just in atlantic city this weekend and listened to many S6000's I can tell you That noise IS NOT the norm.  Mike
Thanks for the Youtube posting tip.

I wonder if it's a bit quieter with the door closed?
I took the video with the door wide open and fairly close up.
Plus, the insulation/rubber around the door may be worn out or loose too.
That rubber acts as a sound barrier somewhat...
Plus, our machines seem a lot louder at home where it's not as noisy as a full-blown casino floor.

Its noisy even with the door shut.  And what you say about home vs a casino is true, but I went as far as putting my ear next to the reel glass to get a good listen.   Mike

I have to agree with Stayout,  I had a 5500 and it sounded exactly like that.  I have a 6000 with 3 reels and it's much quieter but it still has that same sound.    I'm getting a 4 reel kit.  I'll post the sound it makes as soon as I get it.   It's annoying as all hell I know.  When I got my 5500 it drove me nuts.  I wound up talking to Slots4Home and he sold me new reels that were much quieter. 

Ok, but why the last spinning reel making the noise.  It may be a common problem, but still a problem.  Mike

PS. Stayout mention  insulation/rubber around the door, but I don't have  insulation/rubber around my door??

I'm shopping with my wife (mandatory).  Will check when I get home

W

Well now,... don't go spending everything!.... :96-

You said you swapped all reels and have the same result.  I think they all are making the exact same sound and it just appears that the last reel is making the noise.    I can hear from the video that the sound seems a little lower as each reel stops.

NO, belive me there not making the same noise.  There a test  that spins and stops all the reels simultaneously  that I have done. And it clear its the 4th reel making the noise.  Mike

I wonder if anyone else has a short video they can post for some more sound comparison?
Whoever has the loudest one gets a free Bally machine from Joey! :89-


(By the way, he never gives one away...I keep on trying to give him hints but...) :72-

Give me till Thursday and I'll post mine.  Right now they are in a cold dark FedEx warehouse.

If look on youtube there a guy that got a video of an Andy Capp S6000 Machine, And if you listen real close you can hear a hint of the noise mine is making.
Mike

This one?
He hits a bonus spin at 2:13
Who is this "Mitchellenterprises" guy?>>>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyYpVMRGfuQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyYpVMRGfuQ)

Mike,
  Your machine is nowhere as loud as I expected,  I know that 4 reel machines are noisier and I don't have any shopped currently for comparison, but if you have tape between the basket and strips, it shouldn't be as noisy as it is currently.  Bunker, your machine is a little noisy, I'd do the things that we said in the post and it should be better.  And both should make sure your reel strips are tight before you tape them (scotch permanent 2 way, or reel strip tape).  I'm thinking "power issue" on this.  I'll take a video of some that are quieter, but they will be 3 reel machines, which are quiter.

Thanks,
Wayne

dabunker the "Mitchellenterprises" guy is www.slotsdirect.com    Wayne how do you check the power issue.  Also is there any kind of Door seal on these machines.    Mike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_pYex-E_U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs_pYex-E_U)   this may take a bit to upload, but here's the link.

Do you have a voltmeter?

no seal

w

Yes, I have a  voltmeter.  And let me say Wow your machines look great.   Mike

On the left lower corner of the backplane board there are voltage probe points that are clearly marked what voltage they should be.  Check them with your meter and report back.  you can ground to the p.s.

Have a good night,
Wayne

I just swapped my middle reel with a different reel I had.
It's so much quieter now!
I swapped the baskets to see if I could pinpoint the problem noise.
It was still fairly quiet...
I'm convinced it's nothing electrical over here, just one old stepper motor.
The sound emanates from the bearings inside the stepper motor and
not from the baskets or the strips.
However, removing the strips makes it a touch quieter meaning
that the strip is acting like a amplifying sound board.
My strip had sticky adhesive to join the ends together like so many strips I have.
Nothing different there.
When I put a short strip of scotch tape on it, there was no change in sound -
the sticky adhesive is enough to do the job.
Swapping the noisy reel to another reel onboard didn't do anything so
I know now that the sound was coming from that one bad stepper motor bearing.
The same may or may not be true for your reels daddy2yea?
I'm gonna shop around for brand new stepper motors or
take one apart to see if I can replace the bearings.

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Stayout - I'm real anal when It comes to sound and looks of my machine.   If you could find replacement motors that would run silent, I would vote to elevate you to God status on the boards.   

I removed the basket from my noisy reel.
Pulled off the 8-pin plug and removed the 4 nuts that secure the motor to the reel plate.
One nut of the 4 secures the green ground wire from the motor.
I then pulled the stepper motor apart and rotated the bearings by hand...they are rough!
That's where the noise comes from!
The stepping motor is made by "Teco Electric & Machine Co. LTD. based in Taiwan.
Type:  4H5618X0606
Degrees: 1.8
Volts: 16Vdc
Amps: 0.4
There are 2 bearings on the motor shaft.
The bearings have writing stamped on them>>

NMB 627Z Thailand

I will do a search for new bearings, order some, replace and see how this baby works now!

You guys are gonna laugh....
The EXACT same NMB 627Z bearings in a stepper reel motor
of a Bally slot machine are also in these roller skates!  :72-
I am NOT shi- - ing you!  
I've contacted a kid in Texas who has these in his store...
will update ya soon.... :208-

OK I'm still going to check the volts as per a69mopar.  But I do have a stepper motor with a bad bearing in it(the #2 reel that talked about earlier that I replaced with another reel) and as luck would have it I have a large bearing distributor right here in town. SO thanks for the head up that the bearings are replaceable.   Mike

PS how about new video of the machine now. also for me Swapping the noisy reel to another reel onboard  jush cause the noisy reel to run quiet and the quiet reel to be noisy  like I said whatever pluged in to the 4TH spot.

That would be so awesome if we could buy them!

Hey,
It would be great if you can ask that guy if he has "NMB 627 Z" bearings...
see if you can get a price... :91-

Hey!
I just got this email from one seller>>>


Mark-

The bearing you mention is probably ZZ – two shields. It shouldn’t be duplexed.

We have he 627ZZ in stock $6.50 EA

 

Shawn H. Barnett Sabatino

Director of Government & Aerospace Sales
MMB Bearings Co., Inc.

245 Rolling Hill Road
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Now, I wonder what he meant by "shouldn't be duplexed"....hmm?

Here's a couple of pics of the bearing inside the stepper motor casing...
I wish I had my good camera today...ARghhh!>>>

www.vxb.com (http://www.vxb.com)  3.95 for one. 24.95 for box of 20.   627ZZ

does that look like a part that can be replaced?  What type of bolt is that in the center?

That's the one!!!!
It's exactly like mine....the 627ZZ is cross-referenced to 627Z.
All that the ZZ means is that it has a dust cover...
I'm ordering some and I'll let you guys know how it works!

There's no "bolt" JDK, only the shaft in the middle...
I have a little gear puller by the way...
I believe you place the shaft in the freezer for a couple of hours,
heat up the bearing a touch with a blowtorch and slip it onto the shaft.
When both parts are at room temperature, they will be snug as a bug in the rug.
At least that's how I put my bearings back in my motor on a motorcross bike...

You think I could use the butane torch that I use for plumbing??

Duplex Bearing
     A duplex bearing is a bearing with controlled axial location of faces of inner and outer rings which makes this bearing suitable for mounting in various combinations with one or more bearings controlled in the same manner. 

Volt readings
TP1  +5v  My reading +5
TP2 +12v  My reading +12
TP3  -12v   My reading -11
TP4 +24v  My reading  +22
TP5 7.5vac  My reading 6vac

Yes, you could but I don't think you need it because
I was able to pull the bearing off the shaft just by sticking
two flat screwdrivers under the bearing,
turning the screwdrivers a little and the bearing popped right off!
That pin to line up the basket reel is tough to pull out though...
I inserted the pin into a long socket with the shaft resting top of the socket.
With a small hammer, I tapped down on the pin and voila! It came out of the shaft!
Now, I'm able to take the top part of the motor casing off and remove the other bearing as well!

haha! Behold! The bearing near the top of the motor is slightly brownish/dis-colored!
Right where the ball bearings would be under the cover!
That means it's shot! That's where the noise was coming from!
I'm ordering some bearings from that link dadd2yea posted!
I'll get the box of 10pcs. and send you guys what you need.

You can retire - if you charge people to replace them!

I think when you get them Marc we'll need a new thread to detail how to do this.  I think I'll need 4 myself.  I would love to have a whisper quiet machine. 

Remember, this stepper motor is from your old Bally ProSlot5500...
now, I'm wondering if the Bally6000 has the same motor in the reels?
daddy2yea,
It looks like low TP3,TP4 and TP5 readings to me...
maybe a69mopar will have the schematics drawings to see if those voltages are sufficient. :89-
But , I'll bet he may know exactly which components need to be changed/beefed-up to get the correct voltages!

Man good catch -  the whole bracket assembly is completely different.    When I get home tonight I can take my spare reel apart and (with your help lol) see if it's the same.

BTW did the snow melt??

Sadly, I must go to a meeting  :30-

Will check in from the phone under the table.   <Shhhhhh don't tell anyone>  But I'll be back at 7PM EDT

When I took apart the Bally ProSlot5500 16Vdc, 0.4Amp stepper motor,
I found that the top most bearing was very dis-colored.
I think that it was overheated and is shot !
Time to replace it!
I'll bet that the reel will run much quieter after this replacement...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS87vl3BFps (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS87vl3BFps)

Rudy has four of them for sale guys.
These ones are 24Vdc and 0.2 Amps...
Make sure they're the SAME as the ones for your Bally 6000's...>>>

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-STEPPER-MOTORS-W0W-4-RUDYS-GREAT-DEAL_W0QQitemZ230388114981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a433a625 (http://cgi.ebay.com/4-STEPPER-MOTORS-W0W-4-RUDYS-GREAT-DEAL_W0QQitemZ230388114981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a433a625)

Since I am getting my own Bally S6000 soon, I guess I should check the reels when it is operational. Lets see first if that is the source of the noise..........I'll bet it is! Good one Mark. K++ Wonder (out loud) if there are corresponding parts on IGT stepper motors? maybe we should find out.

I was doing some searching around and
found this very cool video on controlling a stepper motor.
The funny thing now is this:
If you listen to the sound emanating from the second motor
he attaches to the controller board - it will sound like daddy2yea's reel. :127-
And it really doesn't sound like the bearings are bad...
so what's going on?
Pull the slider bar to about 6:26 seconds and
you'll see what I mean if you've listened to the earlier videos
we posted on the reel sounds.>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYG8SlrwGHM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYG8SlrwGHM)

dabunker are your bearings (627Z) out of a 5500 If so the same bearings are used in a S6000. A faucet handle puller also works good to pull the bearing off the shaft.  Here a clearer pic of the bearings.    Mike

Here is my reel sound on a Bally 6000 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOBoy6OVXlM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOBoy6OVXlM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDKY1NuVCe0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDKY1NuVCe0)

O.K., other than the 7.5 being questionably low (should be over 7), which I would think would affect all reels, instead of just 1, the rest seem in the ballpark.  I will review the schematic of the main board again.

Thanks,
Wayne   (I've been playing catch up lately which slows down my posts)

Yes,
The motor and bearings were out of a 5500...so that's cool!
Don't buy the motors John on ebay was selling...his are 24volts motors okay?
Did you hear that guy's motor when he was spinning the black zip tie?
His sounds just like these and JDK's reels.
I've come to a conclusion pretty much...
the bearings MAY help but I'm not too sure...
I am just going to buy two new bearings , install them and see if they quiet down the motor when it's all back together.
What do you think?

ADD>>> now I gotta go buy a faucet handle puller...lol

JDK,
thanks a lot for putting your short video clip up for us to compare! :131- :3-
Sounds like mine really...and a little like that guys motors too.
I'm starting to think they all sound like that...just that some are louder than other others?
Also, the faster they spin, the louder they are...

I to am going to put in new bearings. So it will be interesting to see if it helps. Maybe your right maybe they all make that noise some just louder than other.
But why. Not knowing why is driving me CRAZY :5-    Did you notice how quite a69mopar machines were except for the last(IN THE MONEY) one which
sound like ours, but not as loud.  Mike

Yes,
I noticed that...but I also noticed that JDK's 2nd video was much louder than his 1st one...
also that video of that guy playing with two different stepper motors...
his 1st motor was much quieter than the second motor he was playing with.
Depends on how far away you are with the camera and
I'm still wondering if some of these machines lost the rubber around their doors too.
I know S+'s have them around the doors.
Serves 3  purposes really, blocks the light from coming out through the various little gaps here and there.
Acts as a little sound barrier, and keeps customers from trying to poke things into the cabinet.

Mark I might have missed a reply if  I did well here it goes again  Don't heat the bearing with a torch !!  If you feel it must be heated put it in a oven.  If the old one came off pretty easy, freezing the shaft should do the trick.

The bearings were actually pretty easy to remove Buzz.
When I get new bearings, I will throw the shaft into the refrigerator freezer...LOL
We all learned quite a bit today about stepper bearings and found places to get them.
I remember putting my motorcycle motor bearings in the fridge once and
my girlfriend thought I was being strange...LOL

That's better than putting your golf balls in the fridge! :30-

Oh, That's nothing...I  once put my cellphone in the kitchen cupboard
behind the peanut butter... :72- ...the small jelly jar was in my car... :5-

BEARING ALERT  Not all 627zz are the same.   Standard tolerance is C3 if you look at the bearing you should see C2 after the 627z number which means presion tolerance. So the 627zz that are in skates are not the same as the 627zz that are in are stepper motor. I got Grainger looking for the proper bearing with the proper tolerance. I Will report back with what I find.     MIke

It's too bad that Bally tech just can't clear this up with a simple "Yay" or "Nay" to the stepper motor issue. But they don't support home users so the issue is moot. I wonder if Bally reconditions their stepper motors or do the slot techs at a casino work down to that level? :103-

I doubt that it's cost effective for either to do so. They are almost certainly tossed and replaced if necessary -- and a slightly (or not so slightly) noisy reel would not likely be considered a necessary reason by any casino. It would most likely need to be causing an unclearable tilt or be non-functional for replacement to be in order.

I agree, it just isn't cost effective to repair at the micro-level unless the part might not be available anymore and the machine has to be kept in service.

Not to mention the fact that you probably can't hear most of them in the casino with all of the other background noise!!!
:136- :198- :152- :118- :39- :123- :109- :143- :114- :144- :141-

CH :95-

CaptainHappy is 100% correct.  The noise level in a casino is off the chart.  I have to strain to hear the reel sound.  I am so in tune to the sound that I listen for it now int the casino.

Mike,
   If you think the "In The Money" sounds like yours, then close the door and try to enjoy your machine.  That machine is much quieter than most I've seen and the noise can't be heard through the door.  The other two are low mileage and extremely quiet for stepper reels.  Hopefully the bearings will help to take away enough noise, however in your case, all of your reels made the noise, but only when in the 4th reel position, I guess if all the bearings are bad, it could do this as the 4th reel is often a little noiser that the others.  I measured the actual voltage on a machine and from top to bottom got 5.3, 12.6, -11.6, 21.4, 7.3ac  .  I looked at the schematic and still wonder about the Rp17 and the U13, this is the reel sense port.  I look at other chips on the board to swap, but the resistor is a lot tougher.  If it were here, I'd swap the board, or the power supply to see if it was better with a known good one, then get into the bad part after I narrowed it down.  I know you just have 1 machine so that's not possible, so we'll work together to see what can be done.

Thanks,
Wayne

I've swapped out the kit to my new Triple Bonus Frenzy.

Here's what it sounds like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPLMLgTTOaY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPLMLgTTOaY)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIte6jR1wag (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIte6jR1wag)

The funny thing is, I swapped out the reels with known quiet reels with no change in the grinding sound. 

In a machine with a 3 reel kit they ran stealth - now those same reels in a 4 reel setup sound like the video. 

Can you swap the 3rd noisy reel to the first reel position to have less spin time on the noisy reel?

CH :95-

I tried - that doesn't make a difference.  It's exactly the same situation.    I'm thinking along with Wayne that it's a power issue.  I have a bunch of power packs I can try.

The 4 reel machines are usually noisier, just turn up the sound  :96- .

w

I agree  - it doesn't bother me a bit with the door closed and the sound a bit louder.   :89-

Here it is with the correct sound card installed and door closed:   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwiIID2HMzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwiIID2HMzg)

There was another thread going on where certain speakers were humming
depending on what version simm cards were installed to what particular board.
The solution there was to match up the right boards with certain simms.
Also, adding resistors in place to the speaker outputs.
Noted, there were IGT board versions that were upgraded with certain resistors in certain positions.
I know this all sounds vague but the point I'm trying to make is that I believe
certain board versions and revisions were updated to eliminate sound output errors (among other errors for instance).

In the same vein of thinking, allow me to boldly theorize that when IGT and Bally went with four reels,
they didn't fully correctly address the extra loads and signals the fourth reel is putting on board components...
Were these "minor" problems ever addressed by Bally and IGT...I don't think we'll ever know...
Now, having said all this and with absolutely no proof to back it up,
anyone could say that I'm just blowing a bunch of hogwash... :5-
If anyone thinks I'm completely way off base here on my theory,
then I'd really like to hear some others... :71- :97-
Maybe someone who used to work at these companies could come up with
some better explanation for the way these steppers tend to act?
Remember, we're all in this for the education of learning how our machines work so
we can better address the problems and
find useful ways of restoring these machines to the way they once were..
or better! :89-

When you say sound card what is it exactly you changed in this video way better sound BTW
from the last one you posted was it just a chip or whole board
I'm not aware of a sound card for the 6000

Nevermind I see the post on the sound board now
much better sound Munch, might have to upgrade mine now.

It's the board that is on the right side of the cabinet.   It's the board that a69mopar posted above.  

Yaa- the respin sound was really cool.  I'll snap a video if I can catch it. 

Took a trip that why no post lately.  I don't understand what you mean by having  the correct sound card installed.  Also I agree with dabunker about the extra load on the power supply the 4TH reel adds. What I know now is some S6000 make the noise some don't.  If funny that mine is the 4TH reel and
 jdkmunch was the 3RD reel.   Now let me muddy the waters some more.  While the 4TH reel noise is a constant  some times very rare but some times
the noise will move from the 4TH reel to the 3RD reel, or split between the 3RD & 4TH reel with out any changes whatsoever.  Like I said this is rare but
worth mentioning.  Dabunker did you understand what I was saying about the bearings?  Once again thanks to all the posts. I'm learning alot.
Mike

The sound card issues were with IGT not bally machines.

w
breaks over, back to work...

yes dadd2yea,
Some are not to exact specs size-wise.
I am expecting 2 bearings from Texas in a few days...


I understand that and totally agree with you...
I was trying to point out the IGT sound problems as an analogy
to what may be actually...board versions/revisions trying to keep up with the game designer's 4th reels and
wondering if the older boards are completely up to snuff to handle the extra loads.
As I have no clue what component is needed in making a board work correctly,
I have no idea whether or not the board revisions were upgraded with sufficient components
to overcome game upgrades (such as the fourth reels added to the mix?)

For example:
JDK's reels were quiet when he only had 3 hooked up.
But, when he added the bonus game 4th reel, his steppers got louder.
All he changed were the reel chips...and added the bonus reel.
however, 3 of his reels were from the other kit.
Could the added stepper noise be because of the original board he still has in it?

I should hook up a strobe one of these days to see if they spin at the same speed, but I don't have a strobe anymore.  I believe the 4 reelers are faster, which would explain the extra noise.  Bally made 4 reel kits from the beginning (and before) of the S6000, so i'm sure the boards and components were designed to accomodate them.  Power supplies prior to 2000 did have durability issues, but I'm not sure what year daddy's machine is ?(a question and statement)?
I think it's great that many ideas have have been put out there, and bunker leaves no stone unturned. 

I think I'll throw a little K+ around.

Thanks,
Wayne

Not size-wize, but the amount of Radial play.   Radial play is the radial internal looseness between the balls and races, and is the measured value of the total movement of one ring with respect to the other in a plane perpendicular to the bearing axis. Factors that require control of radial play are speeds, loads, thermal conditions, mounting fits, axial motion and deflection rates. Improper selection of radial play can affect bearing torque and overall running performance which could result in premature failure. Or in laymans terms slop.   IF you see C2 stamped  on the bearing  that's good. If you see C3 not bad cause there's to much play for stepper motor application. I learned alot talking to tech at Grainger Industrial Supply.  I know this is alot of writing, but since we posted about replacing the bearings I would hate for anybody to put in new bearings that weren't as good as the ones there taking out.  Mike

Wayne My S6000 is an 02. I also look on the power suppy and it was dated 2002.
Also I do I add a quote to my post.

Wayne is brilliant -  Although I don't have a strobe I do have a lovely assistant.  This definitely would account for the louder sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuFq-pjz-LA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuFq-pjz-LA)

The question is - can we slow down the reels ?   Daddy2yea and I would be very happy

I'll check the manual and see if there is a setting similar to the WMS fast/slow reel speed.

Ohh, I hate being the one to point this out... :8-
( I gotta learn to shut up... :97-)

The "fast/normal cycle" I think, and I could be wrong on this,
 doesn't really have anything to do with the reels physical "speed".
( I would need a scope/strobe of some type to really determine that....or a pretty assistant...LOL )

That IGT dipswitch's function is for "when" the reels stop on the predetermined symbol/stop.
For example:
When the dips are set for "fast", the reels will stop as soon as the correct symbol arrives.
When the dips are set for "normal", the reels will skip the predetermined symbol once and
then stop on it "when" it comes back around to it.

That, I believe, is the difference between the "Fast/normal cycle" speed" dipswitch's settings....
Whew! Try to physically say that sentence in one breath!.... :72-
My tongue is still tied up.... :96-

ADD>> I just thought of something...It might be true that the 3rd and 4th reels have
a lot more "mileage" on their respective stepper motors than the first 2 reels because of the this phenomenon....?

Had reel tilt issue I had posted here but move it to a new topic.

copy and past that and start a new thread- --- this is already way long for people to follow -

You know what?
Something's wrong with your machine...
Are you turning OFF the power before pulling any plugs out and in?
Now, I'm suspecting MPU component problems...big time.

Yes I am turning off the machine before I do anything.  Mike

You crack me up bunker. :96-  
I did speak to mike and will check the new thread later.

Break time's over, now I'm going to get some work done.

Thanks,
Wayne

Daddy - I noticed something that I wanted to post last week.  After I left my machine on for a few hours the reels went silent.  I turned the machine off for the night and the next day - very noisy but then again after the machine was on for a while they got much much quieter. 

JD I'll let you know if the reels get quieter after the machine has been on for a few hours.

Yaa see what happens -  I have a very noticeable difference after a few hours left on. 

Ok I don't really notice a differnence when the machine has been on for a few hours except that that the noise goes from being all 4th reel to being spread
out  between the 3rd and 4th reel. Mike

 :25- :25- I just remembered...I never placed an order for any bearings...ARGHH! :30- :25-
 Where'd you order yours from again?

It's good that you got it going again, I guess the clear chips were bad?

W

I ordered mine from www.vxb.com because I couldn't find anybody that had a C2 bearing. Although the guy that e-mailed you from Director of Government & Aerospace Sales probably could get an 627zz C2 bearing. I may call him myself.  Mike

Thanks daddy!  :89-
I'm gonna order some...

Man I was waiting for the results too!!  My guess is that you'll have spectacular results.

Okay,
I just finish doing a test I've never tried before.
I took apart another reel motor and removed the bearings.
I put them in my somewhat noisy reel casing and re-assembled the whole thing and
re-installed it in the machine in the 3rd spot.
I ran about 60 pulls and really don't hear any difference.
It doesn't sound any quieter really.
I pulled all the strips off and ran the machine for like 30 more pulls.
It was only a touch quieter, if any.
I stuck a stethoscope to the side of the each reels' motor casing
to try to listen/pinpoint more closely the sounds coming from the steppers.
It really doesn't sound like anything "scraping" or "grinding".
The "whine" sound is more of an electronic high pitched buzzing sound.
Like opposite of the low hum you would hear from high power overhead
utility tower lines out in the field not too far from my home.
Secondly,
The optics that the inner reel rides thru is deathly close to rubbing...
I thought that the sound might be the slits in the inner basket
ever so slightly touching the "tuning forks" of the board optics.
But, unfortunately it wasn't touching at all...even though it's real close in proximity.
I'm going to finally conclude that I don't know if I can ever get this reel to run "stealthily" as I had hoped for.
I inspected the old bearing closely and sacrificed it.
I removed the "shield" from it hoping to find a trace of some type of grease.
There was! But what kind I don't know what kind of grease.
So my guess, and only a guess, is this>>>
It's very possible that there was some type of grease inside the ball bearings when they come out of the factory.
But over the years, through the dry heat inside of these machines, the grease dried up?
Sadly when I took the "shield" off, I destroyed it and
I really don't have the correct tools to put it back together the way it should.
I'm hoping that when the new bearings come in, we'll have better luck in quieting this reel down.
The new bearings I'm fairly certain will come will new bearing grease and run smoother,
thus reducing the stepper motor noise.

 

I'm concerned that at the end of the day, the noise may be part of the normal function of a stepper motor and that the construction and speed of this particular motor causes it to produce a noise in a frequency range that is more annoying than its counterparts.

Still, I hope that I'm wrong and that the new bearing quiets the reel down. There might be a run on bearings if it works. :72- :72-

Believe me...I'm not buying too many bearings right now...LOL
Just 2 !

To be honest, even though I had done the fix for noisy reels, they are still a bit noisy The machine I have does not have a rubber stripping around the door or frame. Maybe if car door stripping was installed aroung the door and the frame, it would cut the noise a bunch? Maybe sound absorbing material installed on the inside of the machine would help too (like a sound studio wall type material?)

earplugs?...


(just kidding)


Noise battens would certainly help but it better be fireproofed!
I stick some rubber around the door edges...might help.
I would consider trying to obtain another set of reels and
swapping them around trying to find the quietest combo.

But again, someone here said that in a noisy enviroment like a casino floor, it dont matter. To be honest, I just like playing the game as it is, noise is not a factor. But in the original poster's case, it was annoying, and had to be stopped. The reels are evil and must be punished!

reho33, I like your out of the box idea of insulating the box. Home game rooms are much quieter than casinos and insulating the machine might help in some cases.

Stat, could one get weather stripping and place it around the doors and frame? I would think that it would have to be thin as the door optics could not be disturbed.

I've never considered it. As far as the optics, one could just leave that area uninsulated. I think that there would still be a lot of sound leakage through the reel glass; I don't know what one could do to quiet that. :103- It's possible that sound absorbing material placed strategically inside the slot might help, but I'm not an acoustics engineer. It might be interesting to experiment and see what materials, if any, help, and what placements make a difference. :79-

Stepper motors in any machine produce noise, I do think as the motor ages that it increases slightly, however having a voltage that is below spec could also increase the noise level.  I'm sure the bearings have some bearing on the noise level  :97- I had to say that , however i doubt new bearings will create silence.  4 reel machines are generally noiser also.  The vlume control can help.

Thanks,
Wayne

I have no bearings on when my bearings will be in, but I'm bearing on them arriving in time... :5-

ohhhh the sound -  I love the sound the machine makes when you get a large hit.  It builds up momentum!!

bliss

Got my new bearings  today but I have nothing to report. Why you ask?  Because they sent me two different bearings one right one wrong. :60-
I call and the lady giggled when she realized their mistake apologize and said she will put a new bearing in the mail right away.  I'm liking the new ideas
while not a fix a good workaround. I thinking of an inner reel strip maybe wrapped around legs where the reel snaps together of a felt cloth like material to insulate the motor noise from the  reel strip. I know it sounds far fetched, but it may work.  As long as we are thinking outside of the box I figured I would just jump off.  I'll let you know how it works.  Once again thanks for all the input. 
   Mike

How about some really thin felt under the reel strip motor bracket between the frame and where it slides in? That would act as a vibration damper (I think)
The troll under the bridge ...........

Hi everybody !
I just bought recently Bally 6000 Bonus Frenzy slot machine. It has a problem noise with reels, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. I exchange motor from first to fourth and noise went down a lot, bearly u could hear it(after 2nd and 3rd reels stopped). So i am waiting for one of You with replacing the bearings, see if it helps if not i guess have to buy new motors, but just where You can get them ?. Thanks
Chris

I've found that if my machine is on for a few hours the sound goes away! 
It must warm up or something.

My stay on full day today, noise still there.
I have question. I have new whole board with  stepping motor on it. I install on 4th reel and shows error 40. Open and lock door (reset), still shows error 40 and reel spins all the time. What to do ?. Anybody knows. Maybe could do reel test, but how to proceed with the test all the way to the end ?, Any suggestions will be aprecciated !. Thanks !.
Chris

OK Krzysztofgolec couple of questions foe you.  After you put in the new board with stepping motor and got the error did you put the old board and motor to see if the error goes away?  Do you have an S6000 manual?  Can you post a video of noise? Also it helps if you fill out your profile so we know where your at.
As far as replacing the bearings it didn't solve the noise problem that posted, but I did have a reel motor that started making a grinding noise and it fixed that.
Also in your first post you said  "I exchange motor from first to fourth and noise went down a lot, barely u could hear it(after 2nd and 3rd reels stopped" so I have to ask why not leave it that way?    Mike

Yes Daddy2yea, I replaced new board with old one and error goes away. I have 6000 manual, it only says to press test buton and release when 5d shows up to test reels. But does not say how to proceed further and how to ended so I afraid I may screw up something. Unfortunetly I do not know how to post a video. I have a video camera and also can record on my phone but I think I would have to some how make file smaller to upload to my comp and then later somewhow to online. OK I see below that I can attached some files, I will try it to record when machine is spinning. But I saw somebodys clip here on this post with noise and my is the same.I did not leave first motor on fourth reel beacuse second reel and third are making a noise. I fill up my profile more. Thanks for response Daddy2yea !.

OK  Krzysztofgolec,  As far as finishing the test, all you have to do is close the door.  If the machine can not boot up without the error, I don't know if you can get to the test or not.  If you can get to test #5 (reel function test), the manual says that if you hold down the change button when entering test #5, it initiates a reel calibration and stores the reel stop center position in safeRAM.  This may solve the problem being that error 40 is a reel initiation error.  You said you watched the video on this post that had a noise similar to yours - whose video did you watch?  To post a video to this site, first upload your video to YouTube and then insert the link in your post.  That's all for now.  Will not be able to respond tomorrow (Saturday) because I will be in Atlantic City.  Good Luck!  Keep us posted.  Mike

Mike thank You very much for input. When I will have time, I will put new board with motor and proceed nwith reel calibration. Will see what going to happen. Will post You guys!. Have all great weekend !. Chris

Hi Everyone !.
Could not login in for a few days. I give up on my noise from stepper motors. I think best would be to buy new 4 motors, safe ram clear chips, install all motors, do partial safe ram clear, and hope would solve problem.

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Hi Everyone !
Have a questions:
1. Are stepping motors from Bally 5500 good for Bally 6000 ?.
2. Is "Deluxe Sound Board" better than "Pro Sound 2 Board" ?.
Thanks for any comments !.

welcome
I am sure one of the BALLY experts as A69MOPAR vendor up on top of page can answer your questions .

Hi Everyone !
Have a questions:
1. Are stepping motors from Bally 5500 good for Bally 6000 ?.  Yes!  :89-
2. Is "Deluxe Sound Board" better than "Pro Sound 2 Board" ?.  I don't know... :128-
Thanks for any comments !. You're welcome!

Thanks Rocket and Stayouttadabunker.

no problem we try to help in a kindly manner !!

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Answer:  The deluxe sound board usually refers to a Pro Sound I board, but the Pro Sound II board is also a deluxe sound board.  There are 3 levels of sound that can be used with a Bally S6000. The first is the on board sound that many are fine with, an upgrade from there would be a Pro Sound board which gives enhanced sounds through the same speaker, a further upgrade would be to Pro Sound II which gives stereo sound through top box mounted speakers and the lower speaker.  I like the Pro Sound II the best since the speakers are at ear level which delivers the sound better.

I hope this helps.

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See I knew Wayne would have the answer !

Thanks to everyone for HELP !!!.

 HAPPY 4TH OF JULY !!!................................................................................................... Christopher.

A69MOPAR  thanks for such a precise answer ! Is really good to know that heare are people who wanna help !

No Problem, there are many on this site that are eager to help anyone out.

Thanks,
Wayne

I googled noisy reels and found this topic....... LONG THREAD!

To make a long story short, after getting to page 3 or 4, I decided this wasn't going to help me. I have a Bally Bonus Frenzy, and after several days of putting in KNOWN quiet stepper motors and getting no where, I decided this thread wasn't going to help me, so I decided to venture again on my own, and the fix was SO SIMPLE it made me laugh........ All 4 reels were grunting so loud I couldn't stand playing it, and everything I tried did NOTHING........ until I realized the obvious..... The noise is comimg from the reel strip baskets, not the stepper motors. All I did was remove the reel strips, got out my tube of super glue and glued all the baskets together where they snap ( NOT SO GREATLY I MIGHT ADD ) together!

My Bonus Frenzy is now so quiet I fall alseep while I'm playing it. Maybe someone else has already stumbled upon this simple fix, but I figured if I could nelp one person, it was worth my time re-posting it, this is, after all, an old post......... And this is such a simple fix......

JR

Thanks, JR  I'll give it a try.
MIke