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Just back in town from delivering several machines. While out decided to visit the renovated and updated Casino Windsor, now Caesar's Windsor, to do some "field research".  :5-

Saw some examples of our future machines....seems that fighting to get glass we need will no longer be an issue.  As you can see all diplay panels of these machined are LCD's and with each game change you can bet the display changes as well. Question is can we afford these machines in the after market?

Sorry for the crappy phone pictures...took these fast in fear of security coming down on top of me. The pictures are of WMS and IGT's in that order in both cases the top panels were LCD's.

And here is a picture of a WMS transmissive reel machine with the LCD layer over the reels.  These were fun to play...did not pay for crap, but were fun.

I think we will be able to afford them in the aftermarket.  The Sands in Bethlehem PA has all new bluebirds2 just like your pictures.   It will just takes time.  5  - 10 years perhaps.   I remember looking at the $15,000 42" plasma tv in circuit city.  That TV is now $400 in costco.   I am more afraid of the server based setup.  If the machines go server based then there's no way they can be in our homes

Those machines are crazy fun to play right-  I love when the reel explodes into flames when you get a bonus round.  It's really really cool!  There's also a pig game where the pigs come out and interfere with the reels.

Notice on those two WMS with transmissive reels that the outcome is the same on both machines. (Bar, Double Bar, Seven)
What are the chances of that?

 :131-  Good catch - That's weird. 

Can I ask?
What are "transmissive reels"? :128-

Staout there is a transparent LCD screen over the reels.    It is programmed to be timed with the spinning of the reels and to overlay bonus rounds.  It produces incredible special effects on mechanical slots.

I think I've seen that...pretty neat! :184-
I thought it was some kind of LCD reels...
I didn't know it relies on "real" reels behind it to make it work.

Yea - I've only seen them at Mohegan Sun but I have to say the effect is really cool.  Truly the best of both worlds.  You get reels with full bonus features.

I think that the market is good for buyers now as most casinos are getting rid of the S2000's etc and going with this "dumb terminal" style gaming model. In 5 to 10 yrs, the market for machines may "dry up" as most machines will have been purchased for peoples homes and since the dumb terminals won't be able to be used in a person's home, that may be it for the market. However, pachislos may still be available as I don't see Japanese gaming parlors going for the server based machines.

On the WMS transmissive games the physical reels just have outlines of the symbols and the overlayed LCD screen adds the graphics of the bars and colors the 7's and such.

I was fooling around awhile ago with the hot hot jackpot 3 reel transmissive multi-games and noticed that if you get the free spin bonus on one theme as soon as it's over you can switch to another theme on the machine and get the free spins on it within just a few pulls and when those are over move to another theme and the same happens.. weird. Me and a few friends played them for hours doing this, the bonuses weren't paying much but we weren't losing either.

Per the cost issue - LCD screens are relatively cheap....

Assuming we spend $60 (at the low end) for a glass kit. 10 x kits = $600, so I am sure the screens will cost less than that.
I am more concerned that these are part of a player tracking system and that they will be controlled from some server based platform.

I'm still not completely understanding this concept...
The transmissive reels... :129-
The LCDs have like 3 or 4 "holes" in the screens
so you can see the actual physical reels spinning behind them?
Is there anything going on in the top  box LCD screen?
or do they just display the game name graphic?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzN6wOGZShM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzN6wOGZShM)

No wonder they're so addictive!
You can't take your eyeballs off of that screen... :5-

Bunker,

You may have seen an IGT REEL DEPTH machine? On these machines they use multi layer clear LCD's to give 3D-ish effects. It is pretty cool, and the "REELS" on these machines are actually pictures in the LCD, not "real reels!" :97- :72- :97-

I personally like the look of the WMS machines with the "real reels!" I think that they use better brighter colors as well. I did better on the Indiana Jones though, plus I like the movie clips in the bonus round and spinning wheel up above. My Mom and Aunt were playing the Monopoly games right next to me, so I was able to compare alot. We shared the bonus round entertainment being right next to each other, it was fun. I actually played 3.5 hours on $20, so I was jazzed!  :3- :71- :3- Even with small bets my $20 on the new Star Wars games lasted about 10 minutes and no bonus rounds!  :8- :8- :8-  My comparison comes from the IGT Indian Jones machine and the WMS Monopoly machines. I have a bunch of videos from these machines on my camera that I need to figure out how to put up on YouTube to share with people from my last Reno trip.

Regards,

CH :95-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wRibybpFww&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wRibybpFww&NR=1)

Here is the IGT page that has a short video of the Indy game I played....

https://www.igt.com/GamingGroup/Games/base.asp?pid=5.401 (https://www.igt.com/GamingGroup/Games/base.asp?pid=5.401)

Archjds has posted examples of the WMS games.

They are entertaining to play, but it can be deceiving! Pay 90 cents, and have alot of fanfare from winning 15 cents!  :30- :30- :30-

CH :95-

https://www.igt.com/GamingGroup/Games/game_detail.asp?toggle=ovr&pid=5.113.120&type_id=5907&pl=#cnt (https://www.igt.com/GamingGroup/Games/game_detail.asp?toggle=ovr&pid=5.113.120&type_id=5907&pl=#cnt)

Talk about a topper!!!! I got a kink in my neck looking up while playing the bonus wheel!!! :25- :25- :25- This machine is huge!!!!!!!!!!!

 :208- :208- :208-

CH

Holy Crappers That's huge!
IGT will do anything to grab your attention...
they must of did a study and found out that people are attracted to the "tallest" machines?
( I don't think I can stick one of those into my subaru... :96-)
The reel screen is so busy that you are totally attracted to it like a kid in front of the TV.
Amazing how the reels looks so bloody real.
I like how it looks though. The colors are vibrant.
The newest video (8liners) boards are putting out very good graphics as well.
The newest boards run around $800 to $1,200 or more.
I'm finding used ones for around $175 - $300...
pretty soon, I'll make myself a game that'll knock your socks off!   :96-
But I'm gonna need a ten story high warehouse....LOL
Bags of money will drop on your head...

ARCHJDS,

Thanks for posting, that was the game that My Mom and Aunt were playing. It had a bonus top box of some airplane related bonus.

Bunker, see what I was saying about the vivid color in the WMS game. Indy is a little dark and subdued, but in their defense they are different games themes for sure.

CH :95-

They already do this on Pachislo machines but it is nothing like Reel Depth..........You have one LCD screen and virtualized reels or real reels and the LCD theme around them. An example would be the Gamera High Grade pachislo.

Yeah, but they're only 3 feet tall...

Bunker,

Wait (probably a while, ha ha) till you see the video of me playing from my perspective as I look up at the bonus reel. I thought that I may fall back in the chair!!  :97- :97- :97- It was fun to play, I just played max lines at a penny or two or three per line for the fun of it. It was less that S+ 3 quarters per game, but if you hit max bet, say bye bye to your money!  :25- :25- :25-

This would be fun to have at home, just would have to put a hole in the roof to fit it!  :30- :30- I heard rumor of someone who has software for another Indy game, but no AVP machine to install it on to!  :8- :8- :8- :176-

CH :95-

I was curious, so look at the attached... The Indy machine is only .5 inches shy of 7 FEET TALL! And that does not include the stand!!  :131- :131- :131-

CH

Mark

Next time you are over at the Akwesasne Casino, head into Cascades straight to the back wall
you will see the new Wizard of Oz machines, they are transmissive reels

Wes

Transmissive reels from Wms were actually licensed from the
Japanese pachislo makers. What they do is this... there are
spinning reels, just like say a Dotmation or S+. but in front
of the reels is an LCD screen. But here's the ticket. the back
coating on the LCD screen is peeled off and removed. This
makes the LCD basically clear, unless a color is shown on the
screen. This allows the reels show through the screen. The reels
are "transmissive."  

I played the transmissive Wms slots and they are AMAZING.
It's the best thing to come to slot machines.

Now that Joe K. is back at the helm of IGT's research
and development, he is supposed to be bring out a new
line of IGT machines that will blow away the Wms transmissive
stuff. That's the rumor at least. We will know shortly, as
it's scheduled to be released in the next month or so.

you know, I almost went Saturday night...but I was too tired from golf...lol
It was a pretty cool day! You gotta let me know when you go next time!


SO!  There IS "holes" in the LCD screen...well, sort of...!
Amazing...I didn't know LCDs were capable of that...

What I find incredible is the turnover of slot machines in the last 10 years.
I remember not being able to get on a WMS 'Money to Burn" and "Off the Charts". Next thing you know something else comes along and those machines are empty. Konami has the Advantage 5 with backlit LED reels. (Lit up all the time, even when the reels spin) Last year they were the hot new slot, now I see them mostly unplayed!
From my observations it looks like WMS leads the way. Their machines appear to get the most play. Always something new coming out from WMS.
Now whenever I play a new slot, like the transmissive reels, I start wondering how much the machine cost the casino and how that affected their choice in percentage
payout.  :47-
With all this turnover, one would think the average % payout is dropping overall.
About those very tall IGT's, a subliminal phallic symbol, perhaps.  :72- :72- :72-

so, bigger IS better... :96-

IGT was the industry leader in the 90s, but lost their way.
It started with them suing WMS over spinning
reel machines and the Telnes patent, which
forced Wms to video slots. They have been taking
marketshare from IGT since then. But IGT fought
back with Joe K's great licensing idea. Then the
upper IGT management thought Joe had gone
too far, and put him out to pasture. IGT became
more conservative, and lost even more market
share to Wms. So they brought Joe K back, and
here we are, waiting to see what Joe comes up
with. He claims it will blow away the slot industry.

Mark

"you know, I almost went Saturday night...but I was too tired from golf...lol
It was a pretty cool day! You gotta let me know when you go next time!'

I almost went on Saturday as well but the wife was tired :96-

I will let you know when we go, maybe this weekend :89-

Wes