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I am new to slot machines and to this forum and forgive me if I missed something or if this is a dumb question. I just picked up a CDS Proview III V3.0 Progressive meter and mounted and hooked up what it came with which was a accelerator board (I have seen others on here with this same board), power supply, Led display (of course), and a data cable from board  to display. Everything powers on and the meter will read $0.00 and then will say link down call attendant. I have searched and searched and maybe have found a few answers. I think need a CDS Prolink controller right? My real question is where do you hook up this meter to the actual machine itself? I assume you would have to hook it up somewhere to actually get readings Right? No body ever says where it hooks up in the machine. (At least not in simple terms that I understand. All I want it to do progress when money is inserted.  It doesn't even have to be a real jackpot. Any help would be great.
One other question, I know not all the chips on the board need to be replaced but what chips (eproms) need to be changed when switching out games?
Anywhere I can get a CDS Prolink?
Thanks,
Tommy

I made a wiring schematic for a 4-machine harness for your CDS Prolink Progressive Controller.
This will work for an S+ Motherboard J12 4-pin connector where Pin #1
on the motherboard is the furthest right-most pin....
I'm not sure how it will work for an S2000 because I believe the S2000 has a different connector?>>>



Pin-Out Wiring Schematic for CDS ProLink Progressive Controller to Four Machine Harness.

37-Pin Game I/O port on ProLink        1st machine         2nd machine        3rd machine       4th machine
                                                        4-pin plug            4-pin plug             4-pin plug          4-pin plug

Pin#1  =Brown wire w/Red stripe.        Pin4 Terminated   none                    none                 none
Pin#2  =Red wire w/Gray stripe.          cont.                   Pin4 Terminated    none                 none
Pin#3  =Gray wire w/Red stripe.          cont.                   cont.                    Pin4 Terminated none
Pin#4  =Black wire w/Blue stripe.        cont.                   cont.                    cont.                 Pin4 Terminated
Pin#37=Red wire w/Orange stripe.       Pin3 cont.           Pin3 cont.             Pin3 cont.         Pin3 Terminated
 

9-Pin Game Serial port on ProLink

Pin#6=Orange wire w/Red stripe          Pin1 cont.           Pin1 cont.            Pin1 cont.         Pin1 Terminated 
Pin#7=Red wire                                  Pin2 cont.           Pin2 cont.            Pin2 cont.         Pin2 Terminated

I was wondering where on this backplane board does the harness
for the progressive controller go to and which pins are what?
I'm thinking perhaps on header location J15?

Third one on  the bottom left. It is the first black connection. It is marked progressive and I have the pig tail that connects to it.
Tommy

Thanks T.
How many wires are on that pigtail?
Is it fully populated?

No it is not. I have read that mainly there is one ground, one data, and one coin-in. That would go along with what the pig tail is as it is only three wires. one is orange with red stripe, one is red with gray stripe, and one is red with orange stripe. That is all I have so far.
Tommy

It looks like my ProLink harness uses the Pin #4 as the addressable pin and
that it is capable of being connected to 36 machines total.
That 37th pin probably acts as the ground wire?
That 4th pin on the harness used a different wire for each machine,
while the other 3 pins used a continuous wire
which ran from the ProLink to every machine.

It's a guess at the moment which one of the continuous 3 wires
is needed to receive a credit signal from the J15 connector.
One fact is that the 2 wires coming out of the 9-pin Game Serial port of the ProLink is going to each machine.
As well is the pin #37 wire too.
I think those 3 wires are what is needed to get credit signals from an S2000 to the ProLink.
And my guess is that the pin #37 (Red wire w/Orange stripe) is the ground wire.
I'm not sure what to use yet for the data and coin-in at this moment.
Maybe the two wires on the 9-pin Game Serial Port harness carry the data and coin-in signals?

That is about where I am at. Although a lot closer than I was at the other day. A lot of testing must be the only way to figure out exactly what wires need to be where. If needed I can tell you which of the 3 colored wires  is on which pin at the Mobo if needed or if it would help any.... I have a bunch of electrical drawings of the machines boards I will check through them for any helpful info and post what i find.
Tommy

That sounds good...
We are making progress and I'm sure we' will figure it out!
I just can't tinker with my S2000 at the moment...
so, you'll figure it out before me!

Take a look at this attachment. On page three the very first picture is what the pig tail harness looks like but instead of the red and blue wire it is orange and red.
Tommy

I am moving what has been a lot of PM'ing between me and Morspeed to the
open forum so others may benefit from our recent discussions on the CDS  Prolink.
I was part of that thread last year...that's when I first got it running and hooked it up to an S+.
I wish I would have kept that video because it showed how I hooked it up to a single machine.
The lower photo I will retain and place it on a CDS post in a few minutes.
This photo below is priceless in how the 3 wires come out of the
back of the Prolink to hook up a single machine.

There are 2 wires coming out of the Game I/O 37-pin...and yes , one is the ground wire like
in our PM'd discussions.
It also looks like you only need the one wire from 9-pin Game Serial port...
take a good look at the photo I've attached to this post from last year's thread.
Those 3 wires will be the key to your harness going into the S2000 J15 header!
Also, I believe the 2nd picture of the Black 6-pin AMP Game King plug will be a good clue as to
how it connects to the 6-pin J15 header on your S2000!

I happen to have some of those Molex 6-pin receptor plugs
 in my inventory of parts that I use to make different kinds of harnesses.
It's nice to order a few so you are able to make your own.
If you want some, I've attached a picture of the bag I have.
The phone number/ part numbers are all on the bag!
Llick on photo to enlarge it!>>>

What do you think???? Here is the schematic of the motherboard connection.

If you drew that schematic up - you're way ahead of me on the knowledge
of the circuitry and components needed to make it work!
My question is: if you know that much about components,
why the heck haven't you got it working???
I wish I had your knowledge of each component does
because I have no clue why there's so many resistors in that drawing???
All I'd do is plug connectors straight in there and switch wires around and see if it works...LOL
If I see or smell smoke, then I know it's not plugged in right...

This drawing you've made...is it from the ProLink board to the 6-pin J15 header on the S2000?
Are you trying to determine what is coming out of the 6 pins?

Ha! Ha! I wish I knew that much! It would already be working! No this is from the motherboard schematic in the manual that I snipped out that part to concentrate on the problem at hand. I am trying to figure out from that drawing which wires are which.
Tommy

well,
I know some guys have like a cham2+ or supremes hooked up to
their S2000's so I think if we get some input from them on how they hook up their S2000's -
You'll be in the ballpark as to how the ProLink connects to the J15 plug.
I'm sure they will have pretty similar wiring plug configurations.
According to your snipped drawing -
I'd be focusing on pins 1, 2, and 4 ?
I found an interesting picture Of the J15 hooked up to the progressive box on the back of an S2000,
but I'm sure if it will help you figure which wire goes where.
I happen to have that same box in the back of my S2000 too.
I know it's not hooked up though
There's a lotta of interesting stuff in this topic as well
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=762.60>>>

Uh.... I'm not sure what you mean by that picture because it is not hooked up...... That is the EZ pay box. I think that goes with TITO Right?

Yes, but the bottom plug (J85) I think goes into the ProLink... ;)

judging by what others are saying the j85 is not used it is the j15 that is used. they talk about that in the same post that the picture came from. So we are basically back to square one. What is this about a spectrum display? Runs directly in the S2000 with no control box?

Yes, I've read that thread...seems like the easiest route really for an S2000.
Idesign's set-up is about one of the best out there at the moment!

Anything click in your head where the prolink might hook up on this board?

Did you look at page 5 in the manual?
There's a pretty good picture that might help you?
I don't have the accelerator board...I really don't know what that thing is actually.
I just have the ProLink and a CDS ProSolo board.
I sent you some ProLink reading material to your email address! :204-
I, however, got it back...ARGHHH!!
The postmaster said that address was no good.

I'm not sure which manual you are referring to but I don't have it.
Tommy

He's probably referring to the one he sent you that got returned... :5-

I've sent him the bloody thing about 6 times now...ARGHHH!
Is it okay to have a period in you email address between your first and last name?

I'm tempted to upload it in the "Submit A New File" section of NLG!!! :97-

I got the email already. What I am Saying is I'm am not sure what you are referring to on page five or I don't have the same manual you are talking about.

be right back

okay...did ya get it?
This picture was on page 5.
There's two attachments to this post...ones a picture (not very clear really),
the other is a link to a converted picture file of the board from the manual
on page 5. (much clearer !)
Click on photo to enlarge it!>>>

That top plug is marked rs232. What do you suppose that means I have been thinking about this for a while and I got nothing.

It's a different way of communicating between boards before serial ports came out.

RS-232 is a serial communications protocol.

Thanks...I was thinking of RS-485 perhaps?

That's another serial comm protocol...

okay...good.
From what I understand...
The RS-232 is configured to use a connector much like a 9-pin (DB something) serial plug.

Actually, the RS-232 interface has several defined physical interfaces, including RJ-45, DB-9, sub DB-15 and DB-15, and DB-25. The standard calls for 22 separate wires in the full implementation, but since it also functions with a bare bones minimum of 3 wires, smalll 1/8" (3.5mm) (Stereo) jacks have been used on a lot of devices, like changing channels on my old Motorola Cable TV box. My Tivo had a 9 pin to 3.5mm audio plug cable that went to the cable box so the Tivo could change the channels.

And then you can get into handshaking, modem, null-modem, etc. so the actual wiring of those physical interfaces can be different depending on the application and is a constant pain in the butt. :25-

It looks like the white connector in your picture is a 3 wire implementation...

Bunko Rs232 doesn't have a keypad or Pelco-d either !

Maybe this might come handy?
I googled it from wikipedia.com>>>


3-wire and 5-wire RS-232

A minimal "3-wire" RS-232 connection consisting only of transmit data,
receive data, and ground, is commonly used when the full facilities of RS-232 are not required.
Even a two-wire connection (data and ground) can be used if the data flow is one way
(for example, a digital postal scale that periodically sends a weight reading, or
a GPS receiver that periodically sends position, if no configuration via RS-232 is necessary).
When only hardware flow control is required in addition to two-way data,
the RTS and CTS lines are added in a 5-wire version.

Jay,
I think they make RS-232 serial cables to attach to keypads like this.
I don't think it would work with a ProLink though...>>>

http://www.genovation.com/files/Micropad-623.pdf (http://www.genovation.com/files/Micropad-623.pdf)

I can pretty much guaraantee it would not due to this in the specs:

Interface:
Type RS232C (1200 baud) proprietary  ASCII

Having a proprietary ASCII interface means you'd have to load a driver or develop some type of gateway device to go between your CDS Prolink and this keypad after you reverse-engineered their signaling (unless Prolink uses a keypad device that outputs the same proprietary ASCII codes... :200-)

I'm not sure where you are going with this but the back of the prolink that hooks to the computer say RS232 and not RS232C.

The "C" in RS-232C is just one of the standards revisions. They make revisions to improve the capbilities and add features occasionally, but backwards compatibility is not compromised.

I don't know but I am about ready to throw this thing in the trash!!! I don't know if the machine is correctly hooked to the prolink. I don't know how or where to hook the meter out of the pro link to the accelerator board. When I hook the pro link to the S2000 I get no lights lighting Except the power light. ARRGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No good info anywhere on these things that explains anything. It is just plug this is and run this program. What kind of manual is that?

Well, documentation has come a long way in a couple of decades... :72- :72-


They never documented this type of stuff back in the day because they never realized people would be interested in it, let alone need it! :103-
Nowadays it's assumed that almost everything needs to be documented at some point unless it's proprietary or IP (intellectual property).


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now, I don't have the manual so I can't say exactly what your hookup needs to be, but if this thing behaves the way the rest of the progressive controllers do, then your output (coin in pulses) fron the slot machine to the controller come on the pins in bunker's first section: 1-4 and pin 37. the way an S+ signals coins in is with a momentary short between a signal pin and a ground pin. The signal pin in this example would connect to the lower number pins (Bunker uses 1 through 4) and the ground would be pin 37.

The feedback to the machine would be on pins 6 and 7, one of them would probably be data (RxD, receive data) and ground. IGT and Mikohn use the same ground for the coin in and RxD lines, so there's only 3: Coin in, ground, and RxD (Mikohn calls it signal return, it's the signal the prog controller returns to the slot machine).

Send me the manual, let me get a look at it.

This is the ProLink manual
The appendices are missing though.>>>

That manual is corrupt, all the diagrams in the appendices have been removed. :81-

Morspeed, try this. The TxD from the slot machine to the Prolink is easy, the only connection I'm unclear about is the RxD from the Prolink back to the S2k:

purpose                     J15 S2k                   Prolink
RxD (CDS>S2k)           Pin 1                      Pin 6    Game Serial
Gnd (common)            Pin 2                      Pin 37  Game I/O
TxD (S2k>CDS)           Pin 3                      Pin 1    Game I/O

Now, here's the tricky part, since we don't have a definition for the CDS game Serial pins 6 and 7:

1) There are 2 wires to the Game Serial on pins 6 and 7 from looking at Bunker's harness pinouts. One of those is RxD back to the slot machine, the other is ground. The S2k uses a common ground for both the TxD and RxD, so your initial connection would probably be to try Pin 1 of J15 on the S2k to pin 6 of the Game Serial on the CDS. If you get no comms, then try Pin 1/J15 to Pin 7/Game Serial. If you get no comms there, then it's possible the Prolink can't handle the common ground.

So, next step is to use 2 wires out of Pin 2/J15, one to Game I/O 37, and the other to Game Serial. So, now your Game Serial connection will look like J15 pins 1 and 2 going to Game Serial pins 6 and 7. Try both ways (1 to 6 and 2 to 7, then 1 to 7 and 2 to 6), checking for comms on each.

If none of these permutations work, either your setup is wrong on the Prolink, you don't have the S2k configured for a link progressive, or the Prolink is not compatible with the S2k protocol.

The only thing that has me  :103-  is the note about the host needing to provide a 750 Ohm pullup resistor between pins 3 and 4 on the S2k. It may be that the S2k expects to see the RxD line high when idle and pulses switched low for comms, you may be able to either configure that in the Prolink or provide that connection yourself on the harness. Providing the connection yourself would be a last-ditch effort if all else fails, and would be an attempt to hack the Prolink's incompatibility with the S2k.

Good luck!

I found my original UN-corrupted copy!
Scroll right down to the bottom of it and you'll see pictures of the serial cables!
We'll get to the bottom of this!>>>

yeah well I was playing with the pin outs like britcher was talking about and got nothing so I added a ground/common and tried both pins and one way smoked the prolink so this is probably a mute point for me but not for you bunker. Keep trying. I'm sure my prolink is no longer any good if it even was in the first place. Time to put the key chip in and change linked progressive back so I can get out of tilt.

So, what do you mean by "smoked"? Connecting TxD or RxD to ground shouldn't "smoke" anything. :103- Did you really see :98- ?

Also, for Bunker's knowledge, which combination caused this? I'm sure he'll want to rule it out as a possible combination...

I hate that smell...  :98-


If you want morspeed,
send it to me and I'll see if I can get it back running again?
I can compare your board components to mine and replace what's no good.
I PM'd you my address.

(1 to 6 and 2 to 7, then 1 to 7 and 2 to 6) Don't try either of these. :58-
That's just my suggestion.

That's not the same manual and doesn't have the appendices necessary. However, if you look at the Game King harness pictured, it shows what I described as being the correct hookup, as Pin 1 on the GK side goes to pin 3 on the CDS side, pin 2 igoes to pin 2, and pin 3 on the GK side goes to pin 1. Note that the pictured "pigtail" would still connect to the Prolink Game I/O data harnesss pictured on page 2.

It doesn't do Morspeed a whole lot of good now, but does validate the that the Prolink doesn't need a separate ground for the data return to the slot machine since it only shows 3 wires in the pigtail.

Which one caused the failure?

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Looking at the RS-232 spec, pins 6 and 7 are "Data Set Ready" (DSR) and "Request To Send" (RTS), connecting either of these to ground should not have done anything according to the spec here:

Voltage levels
 
The RS-232 standard defines the voltage levels that correspond to logical one and logical zero levels for the data transmission and the control signal lines. Valid signals are plus or minus 3 to 15 volts - the range near zero volts is not a valid RS-232 level. The standard specifies a maximum open-circuit voltage of 25 volts: signal levels of ±5 V, ±10 V, ±12 V, and ±15 V are all commonly seen depending on the power supplies available within a device. RS-232 drivers and receivers must be able to withstand indefinite short circuit to ground or to any voltage level up to ±25 volts.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-232#Voltage_levels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-232#Voltage_levels)


Did you open it to look for any obviously fried parts?

I'm not sure which one as i removed it immediately. We know that it is not necessary now. I have almost that exact pig tail that is pictured for the game king as they are very similar.

So you have the GK pigtail, but not the I/O Data harness? I wouldn't be surprised if the same pigtail is used for both the GK and the S2000...

Yes they are the same but I do not have the game I/O data harness which is the sucky part. Kinda need it really. As a matter of fact I have like 5 or 6 more of these pigtails.