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Title: What do these go with?
Post by: idesign on January 18, 2010, 10:52:12 PM
I found a box I forgot I had containing 3 of these Spectrum boards.  Not sure what they go with so any help would be appreciated.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: PWRSTROKE on January 18, 2010, 11:26:31 PM
Jeff,  It is said and spoken that these are for a wof-spectrum display driver boards.  Same as used in s-2000 it is said.  (for top box).  Later B. 


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: idesign on January 19, 2010, 12:12:14 AM
Jeff,  It is said and spoken that these are for a wof-spectrum display driver boards.  Same as used in s-2000 it is said.  (for top box).  Later B.  

Thanks Barry, all I need is the rest of the machine to go with it.   :97- :97-


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on January 19, 2010, 12:52:52 AM
That's one bad azzed ribbon cable header there on the left<<<!
Maybe that's for the Wheel lights!            naw....


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: a69mopar on January 19, 2010, 01:12:44 AM
the spectrum display hooks to this board.
You would need the wof controller and ......


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on January 19, 2010, 01:14:26 AM
and a big colored Wheel... :97-


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: a69mopar on January 19, 2010, 01:26:00 AM
the wheel itself has popped up on ebay before, a few times.
W


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Railroad94 on January 19, 2010, 02:05:05 AM
Here is the display.   Much easier just using a standard spectrum,unless you have plans for the fiber hook-up  :96-



Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Foster on January 19, 2010, 04:30:41 AM
The board and display as far as I know are a S+ Spectrum.
I do not know if they will work on any other IGT games from the S+ era.

They need a single Power Supply 12V about 10A or so, with the 5V supply built on the controller and display boards.
They use the same same connection in the top box as the 7 segment LED progressive.
Note the black connector near the Voltage regulators on the controller.
The +VB from machine is not used to power the spectrum controller/driver.
The header (ribbon) connector is the same on the controller and display.
The power supply connection to the machine uses the 120VAC to the top box light.

I have 2 versions of the controller/driver, 2 of the Displays as shown and a smaller display 1/3 or so in size.
I have been able to use thiem with standard SP and SS chips without any issues.
In one of my pictures on here or the prior site is a picture of my S+ with the Cham II+ and Spectrum on it.
I have since removed it in favor of the Cham II+.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: StatFreak on January 19, 2010, 05:53:11 AM
...
I have 2 versions of the controller/driver, 2 of the Displays as shown and a smaller display 1/3 or so in size.
I have been able to use thiem with standard SP and SS chips without any issues.
In one of my pictures on here or the prior site is a picture of my S+ with the Cham II+ and Spectrum on it.
I have since removed it in favor of the Cham II+.

What advantage did the ChamII+ provide, once you had the Spectrum up and running?


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Foster on January 19, 2010, 10:43:13 PM
Cham II+ advantages:
Dazzle (Dancing) colors,
Progressive increment independent of denomination, where the S+ Spectrum is a percentage of the coin denomination up to  99.99%, no it will not round up.
Custom messages - there may be a way to do it on the S+ spectrum but that is a mystery.
Data cable between display and controller Cham II+ 20 conductor, Spectrum for S+ 40-50 conductor. which is hard to feed through the hole for the candle.

Setting up the spectrum was no harder to do than the small progressive setup, just more cumbersome physically.
There are DIP switches on both the display and controller
The display DIP determines if it shows the level 1 (top award) or Level 2 (2nd progressive value)
I found out that those themes that do not support the level 2 progressive it will increment but the machine pays a standard amount as set in the SS chip.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: idesign on January 19, 2010, 10:54:50 PM
The board and display as far as I know are a S+ Spectrum.


Interesting that Barry says they are for a WOF.  The date on the chip is 1997 so it could be for the S+, not S2000. 


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: a69mopar on January 19, 2010, 11:01:34 PM
don't let the dates confuse, sometimes they are when they started the project or copyrighted it. What year did vVision come out?  Looks like s2000 WOF to me.

W


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Foster on January 19, 2010, 11:27:59 PM
Let me pull my 2 controllers from the closet and look at the CPU and version, dates on the ROM's

But I do not remember seeing anything on them that refers to netplex.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: PWRSTROKE on January 19, 2010, 11:38:38 PM
The board and display as far as I know are a S+ Spectrum.

There needs to be no more discussion about this.  The board you have jeff will work in a s-2000 wof.  All it is for  the spectrum display and nothing more than that. The same board can be used in others with a simple chip swap for the appropriate game.  They use newer style stuff now but most running still have that old spectrum driver board and chip in it.  Build one and chk it for yourself.  The pwr supply in the top box with that rig powers ONLY the spectrum display--Nothing else and the pwr supply is not really needed as you can tap-pwr from the lower cab.  This being said over time will KILL your lower pwr supply over time from the extra demand.  The power supply is identical to the one in the lower cab.  There are newer style spectrum displays which have the driver loaded into them.  Both work and do the same.  The driver board etc. is all net-plexed as it has to be, via wires.  B.

Interesting that Barry says they are for a WOF.  The date on the chip is 1997 so it could be for the S+, not S2000. 


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Foster on January 20, 2010, 12:09:59 AM
controller board 1
Board Artwork
Assy No 7550720
copyright 1994
SPECTRUM

CPU Intel P80C32
ROM label SD0094 03/30/98 (1-256) ONT NSC
board label 75507202, IN 300  Paradise RWK

Controller 2 (one I used in my S+)
Assy PN 75512000 Rev A
part of board artwork:
Spectrum
Made in USA
COPYRIGHT 1998 BY IGT
CPU or microcontroller chip label SPECTRUM REV A 32805000 13/03/00
ROM label SD0091 08/08/96 (1-256) @IGT ONT
also has a Intel 80C32 or clone on board.

Both boards do have Fibre Optic ports on them.

Also both Power Supplies came with male and female connectors that match the 2 pin connector for the AC that goes to the Top box fluorescent light ballast/starter.
I did also get 2 of the 15 pin to 6 pin pigtails to connect to the S+.

I was off on the Power supply rating it is 12V at 8A

So who knows if the boards can support both the S+ serial output used for the player display and 7 segment progressive (which it does) and also the Netplex used in the S2000/I-game/etc.
I am not about to connect it to my Vision Ready to find out.
My luck it would let all the magic smoke out.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: PWRSTROKE on January 20, 2010, 01:15:32 AM
Here is a picture I modified from old files.  The SAME board and chip works just fine.  This is not fiber-optic link,  All wiring.  B.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: PWRSTROKE on January 20, 2010, 01:24:37 AM
As a Note I was just on the phone the last two hours while in the middle of my last post.  Foster,  This board works in a s-2000 wof.  You do not need to research it--It has already been done.  The board is pretty much standard equipment in them up to 2005 or so.  As I stated MOST all of them on the floors STILL have them in them.  In closing,  For the orginal post-Jeff rest assured the three boards you have will work with no problems at all.  Case closed. You can also use the newer style displays that will work all the same with no diff. in game play or apperance.  The gain there was less componets and easier set-up build for them.  No one has posted pics of that yet so I am not at leisure to talk about that yet.  B. 


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Railroad94 on January 20, 2010, 01:50:55 AM
They do hook up easy to the netplex but agree,big and bulky. The smaller all in one is much easier to play with.



Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: PWRSTROKE on January 20, 2010, 02:08:25 AM
Anthony,  Good post,  The smaller black connector/interface is where the netplex occurs on that one.  This must have been one of your old file pics.  The harness that makes all that happen for spectrum is actually quite large-6-molex connectors in all.  1-reel driver box, 3-netplex/pwr distrubution, 1-spectrum driver board,1-lower cab interface/connection.  The board can do other but it is not needed for this application.  wof large over head signs can be driven from the bottom cab via fiber opitic link. B.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: StatFreak on January 20, 2010, 06:17:25 AM
Foster, thanks for answering my question. K+.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 12, 2010, 05:13:24 AM
I have the same S+ Spectrum board as being described here.
It seems to be verified that the board does work in the S2000's.
I would like to put one of these in the S2000 but I have only the S+ 15-pin molex.
What are the pin outs from the 6-pin header on the Spectrum
to the 10-pin molex on the Netplex Distribution board? :128-
I'm afraid I'm going to have to try and construct a harness for this. :99-


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Foster on February 12, 2010, 06:46:20 AM
J63 on the Spectrum Driver board is the interface, may be another number on yours but pins are the same.
Note DD0, Data Clock, Strobe 2, Strobe 3 are inverse logic levels, they have line over each one.
Each has a pull up resister tied to +VB, then going to a hex inverter to restore them to normal logic levels but the strobes signals are re-inverted again (not sure why) but it works

Pin -- Description per S+ manuals used the mini progressive driver schematic to get the information since the S+ mini progressive and Spectrum use the same 15 pin to 6 pin harness.
1       DD0
2       Data Clock
3       Strobe 2
4       +VB
5       Ground
6      Strobe 3

Netplex ports on Distribution board.
Pin Desc.
1    +25VDC            Orange
2    BGND               Black with orange
3    MRESET            Green with black
4    NETPLEX RxD    Green with brown
5    NET+VDC         Green with red
6    +13VDC           Red
7    BGND               Black wirh red
8    NETPLEX TxD    Green with orange
9    NETGND           Green or Green with blue
10  No Connection   n/a



Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 13, 2010, 04:05:00 PM
Not really knowing for sure...
Does this look like it might work?
I'd hate to plug it in and blow up my new hardware... :8-
I'm trying to follow from the Netplex-To-SpectrumII harness picture below.
The SpectrumII uses a 5-pin black molex connector while
the regular Spectrum has a 6-pin black molex connector.>>>


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 13, 2010, 04:21:30 PM
Here's a couple of pictures of the Spectrum J2 6-pin molex connector
which is exactly like the ones used in S+'s for the mini-photons.>>>


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Foster on February 13, 2010, 10:39:54 PM
I would suggest
Net+VDC to +VB
NetGND to Ground
Those other 3 are inputs at least on the Spectrum. for some reason the machine does not care if spectrum or spectrum II goes out as long as the netplex bus is not brought down with it.
I would try Net TxD to DD0 and Mreset to STB2 or Net RxD to DD0 and MReset to STB2.
I am not sure the S+/S2000 Soectrum can Send info to the S2000 like the Spectrum II can.
That maybe why the machine is not picky about it being there or not. I can play my S2000 without the Spectrum II plugged in with no problem.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 13, 2010, 11:32:00 PM
Nothing would go into the 6th pin "Strobe 3" on the Spectrum?


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Foster on February 13, 2010, 11:54:52 PM
Takes Apart S2000 and S+ to test spectrum in a S2000

 I have tested and tested every wire combination that was safe to try.
No luck

Then I looked at the PSR for Game 363 neither one of my Spectrums are listed as usable with it
I do not know if one of my older game chips would allow it to work with the 75512000  SD0091 Spectrum or not.
I have like SG 48, SG 85, and 312l, and 362.









Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 14, 2010, 02:44:54 AM
Tried the first combo with 5 wires...no go.
I'm doubting that this particular Spectrum will communicate with the S2000.
By the way, my Spectrum board version number is: 7550720
The eprom chip occupying socket U35 is: SD0094 (1998)

Powerstroke says his works in his S2000 and it looks like Idesign's first photos.

In Railroads photo, I would love to see exactly which green wires he has going into that plug
but his photo is too grainy when blown up.
Too much green and not enough stripe colors to make out what is what.
It's hard to tell from Railroad's picture even if it's a 5 or 6-pin molex plugged in there.
I'd have to say his molex is a 5-pin from his photo though - not a 6-pin like mine.

Notice, my Spectrum has the LED brightness potentiometer black knob nearby.
I'm suspecting that there may have been various board versions before they went with the SpectrumII.
Railroad's is on top picture, mine on the bottom picture.>>>


















Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: Foster on February 14, 2010, 03:12:34 AM
Railroads is 5  pin for sure.

what board do you have?
Also unless the spectrum that railroad has is wired backwards the colors match the netplex on the door for the VFD.

SG 363 PSR
Spectrum Display:
SDF100 is required for controller boards with part number 75512602.  
SD0111 or SD0112 is required for controller boards with part number 75512600.
SD0092 is required for controller boards with part number 75508400.


Title: Re: What do these go with?
Post by: stayouttadabunker on February 14, 2010, 03:50:01 AM
Thanks for all your help Foster!
I think after all this, I am in agreement with you that it's pretty much certain
that the plain jane Spectrum I have is really only made for the S+.
The SpectrumII or Spectrum2 is definitely for the S2000. :89-
backwards compatible with an S+?  I don't know...I don't care...lol
It was certainly fun to try but there was no way I could
get the plain Spectrum board to communicate with an S2000. :60-

Let me correct myself...
It may be still possible to get other non-Netplex progressive systems to work with the S2000
and to increment credits on the odometer display.
How? Hook two wires from the Spectrum into the "Bet one Credit", the "Max Bet" buttons,
the handle switch button and also using plain magnetic door sensors along the coin path coming down from the slot.
These are all "normally open" circuits and each will trigger to "close" the circuit to 2 specific pins
that enable the odometer to increment.
This way of course will need a lot more wiring than any joe can handle but I'm sure will work.
To trigger the Jackpot - would have to be a relay morphed with the bell signal for a "Hand-Pay" mode.

And finally, the reset key can also be spliced/leeched upon to send the reset "closed" signal to the Spectrum.
However, that reset may not work if the signal needed is a lowered or raised voltage
signal rather than an "Normally Open" or "Normally Closed" signal.

These ideas may only work with other progressive systems such as regular Chams
along with a simple CON1 or CON2,  using the normally open/closed pins and can be easily programmed with the PSP program.
Using the plain Spectrum or Mini-photon would be a lot more difficult because you wouldn't
be able to set them up as these progressive systems are non-Netplexed.