New Life Games Tech Forums

Hello ,
   I have a s2000 that i would like to bypass the hopper or simulate coins being dispensed without it actually happening. Some have suggested to add tabs to the hopper to accomplish this and avoid coin-out tilts. Anyone have the best method or instructions? Is their a kit to buy or someone has for sale on here? Thanks in advance! JR

stayoutadabunker did it with a slotted disk where the shelf wheel would be. as the tabs pass the optics, it counts down the payout.

Heres another way to do it, tokens and some pop rivets. Picture pretty much says it all.  This was on my S+
when I bought it...(http://)

I pulled mine out...It was a lotta of fun to make.
It counts down credits super fast due to the many slots
I notched out of the plastic I've attached in place of the pinwheel! :89-
http://www.youtube.com/v/Jmhs_p_zdGk&hl=en&fs=1 (http://www.youtube.com/v/Jmhs_p_zdGk&hl=en&fs=1)

Here's another sample,came from S+ $1 hopper.
Pinball2000 what type of signal your dispenser take? pulse signal,110v,24v,12v,momentary+ -?
can you post the pics,people here like to see lot of pics..lol//
when cash out/hopper motor used 110vac and you have a sensor for pulse signal.
Make a hopper less and used 110v from motor to oper your relay. if you need a pulse,i recomm to add another sensor.
[add] S2000 hopper 24vdc motor.        

Mark-bunker   i noticed your hopperless have 24 slots(24pin) Very fast huh, my also 24 pin,that is the max i can modified otherwise will get error code.

Yes, the 24 slots is about all it can take due to chip timing issues.
I tried 48 slots but got the errors too.
Still, 24 slots is very fast as compared to counting actual coins through the optics.

Very neat stuff the photos help alot! Thanks alot guys!

Cool guys, thanks for sharing the PICS!

K+ to all here for sharing! :244- :244- :244-

CH :95-

One of the tech geniuses here ott to be able to create a pulse circuit that would flash the optic at a certain frequency.

I was thinking that you could have a switch that would then swich from coin to coinless.

Its my understanding that you have a emitter and a receiver - the emitter is always on when the hopper is running as coins block the beam it counts each break as one credit payed. So if you created a small box that basically broke the signal at set intervals it would simulate the same thing that the wheel is doing.



-----Normal signal source to emitter--------------+      +----------Emitter->   <-Receiver ------------------------------
                                                              |       |
                                                              |       |
                                                              |    /  |     <--- Bypass (normal opperation switch)
                                                              |  /    |
                                                              +      |
                                                              |       |
                                                          Pulse     |
                                                         Circut-----+   


Hopefully someone will put these up for sale shortly  :131-                                                                   

Hi All

Yes its is possible to emulate the Coin in pulses to the processor. Please refer to this post http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=7238.msg67290#msg67290.
My circuit is taking longer than expected but as you can see in that thread BadBaud already has a working one available (Handling simulating coin in and coin out)

I have the coin In emulation working. Just need to get the hopper part going now.

Ian

Here is a 'proof of concept' mod I made to my upright S+ machine. No permanent modifications needed to be made. I took advantage of the coin holding 'bumps'. By making a simple extension for the optics lever, the bumps will push the lever up and activate the optics lever. This is a crude example that I just threw together, but I successfully 'paid out' 587 non existent coins. I plan to make a plastic part that will replace the roller assembly on the lever.

Normal postion
(http://www.marks-home-theater.com/stuff/hoppermod1.jpg)

Activating lever
(http://www.marks-home-theater.com/stuff/hoppermod2.jpg)

Ok, that was easy enough. I just cut a small piece of plastic (about 1/8" thick) and shaped it like shown. i needed to put one small washer behind it to keep it from binding on the wheel. A 6-32 screw holds it in place. Works perfectly and the hopper can be changed back just by putting the original roller back in.

Note: this is a quarter wheel. Not sure how it would work with others.
Aslo, by cutting a piece of plastic to fit in the hopper and block the coins from getting to the wheel, you can still feed it coins. I wanted to do this mod because I have all wins go to credits, and even though I can disconnect the cash out button, there may be times I may want to clear the credits without having the hopper spit them all back out.

Normal
(http://www.marks-home-theater.com/stuff/hoppermod3.jpg)

Activated
(http://www.marks-home-theater.com/stuff/hoppermod4.jpg)

The easy solution is to set hopper limit low that way when you cash out you can clear them with the JP key.
I have my S+ set up that way. S2000 prints a ticket if it exceeds the limits set.

S+ settings
Hopper Limit 300
Credit Limit 9999
BV limite 300
Single Win Limit 9999

True, but you still have to spit out the 300. And maybe it's the chip set I'm using (SP873), but if I have the hopper limit set low to like to 300, any credits over that get paid out by the hopper, so I keep the number high. There is no max credit limit setting for that chip. I don't recall why, but there was a reason I am using that SP. :103-

In any case, this was just another easy solution for those that were looking for a way to trick the hopper.

The little black plastic "finger" mod was excellent poppo!  :3-

I think if the hopper was set at 300, and you had like say 1,500 credits and
hit the cash-out button, it would just go to hand pay mode
only w/reset key and not try to pay out 300 coins.
That would be a "Split Pay" mode really - I think that was only available with certain SP chips.

Here is the SP872 PSR if it rings a bell.

With the SP873 I'm using (I mistakenly typed SP872 above), you could never get 1500 credits if the hopper was set to 300. Any credits over 300 will automatically get paid out of the hopper. So I keep the hopper limit high. There was some reason I was not using a SP1274, but I don't remember what it was.

use a newer type 2, 21 SP chip

Like I said, there was some reason I'm not. It may have been that I didn't like the faster way it counted credits, or maybe not being able to set for $.01, or maybe to get my home-brew progessive working right. But there was some reason I switched back to the 873. Anyway, this still solves my problem of not spitting out any coins, but still being able to use them.

I think I tried a newer one on the 16M board and it sounded crappy.

poppo,
You know...the older SP chips have more sound files on them.
Unlike the newer SP chips which removed some of the sound files
so they could make room for more casino accounting stuff.

Maybe that's why you like the older SP's - I do too... :89-

Soon I will selling my S+ and building a S2000 from parts!

If you do that - you won't have any spares!   :96-

I wil be buying the S2000 parts
I still need to get most of them anyways.

Did mine with an arduino microcontroller. It is hooked up to the SSR on a digital input pin. It strobes the coin optic pulse at around 30ms per coin. The display starts to skip numbers but it works reliably. Fastest clearing of 2000 credits I've seen. Gonna clear off 4600 on the machine that has been on auto play for the past 2 days this afternoon with the same setup. I'll take a video with my phone to post.

I have a live video feed of the machine at www.rocktheslot.com

Used the same approach for my circuit - If you are only going to be doing coin out simulation you can do it with a 555 timer ic and you dont really need the complexity of a microcontroller.
Assume your arduino is also triggering a spin every few seconds ?

I am actually a PIC fan but got an Arduino a few weeks back and would recommend it for anyone wanting to learn microcontrollers - Tons of resources and pretty easy to use.

Ian

Yeah the arduino is putting in coins and hitting the max bet. It also has control of the door optic so i can clear errors via remote. :186- Gonna work on it tonight to try and get the software for controlling it via the web working.

The 555 timer approach is what I would have done if I had decided to do it with electronics. Just turn it on with the hopper voltage. Use an adjustable pot to crank it up as fast as will reliably work.

I like to use a Basic Atom for my controllers. It uses almost the same commands as a Basic Stamp and can do all sorts of I/O. Best part is it can be programmed via RS232 'on the fly'.

If you are a Basic fan have a look at www.picbasic.org. The advantage of this over controllers like Basic Atom, Stamp, Picaxe are that you are not limited to the suppliers pre programmed micro with basic interpreter which in most cases is much more expensive than the chip its programmed on. They have also recently released a PIC Micro arduino like clone with a fully enabled basic compiler but locked to a specific PIC. Unfortunately not available locally in South Africa so settled for the Arduino to play around with.

Cool ideas guys!  :3-
Instead of programming the PIC or micro-controller chip to do this -
why not reprogram the SP or SB chip to do the same function?  :128-

Possible but very complicated.You will have to de compile the SW and then reverse engineer it in such a way that any built in security features on EPROM check CRC etc are disabled. The guys working on MAME should be able to achieve this. I know there is KEy On and Key off sw available for the PE+. Pretty sure there should be a SP chip that also has this functionality.

I certainly don't speak assembly or whatever the SP/SB chips are programmed in. Some of the guys in my local hacker club may have an idea but we need to dump a chip first.

Apparently the companies use these modifications to their chips
at the slot shows for ease of adding credits to the machines.
They're never in the machines on live casino floors however... :97-

IGT may have done up a custom chip for them.

Cost can be an issue when going in quantity, but for small projects, I like to use one of these. I/O pins all right there and RS232 programming jack. I think I paid about $20 a piece for these a while back (with Atom). Of course you don't need the carrier board once the prototyping is done (chip alone is about $9), but I usually just build it up with it. It makes making modifications easy. I use one of these on my home-brew progressive to drive a BetaBrite.

For me, since I already knew Basic Stamp programming it was easy to pick up the Basic Atom. I don't do enough of this stuff to learn something new. And I already have a library of routines for just about everything.

(http://www.marks-home-theater.com/stuff/basicmicro.jpg)

If you get that working, it would be fantastic if you had a streaming webcam set up where visitors to your site could launch the live video feed, and then press a button on the webpage to spin your slot machine!

(Just don't walk near the machine naked!  :30- :30- :72- :72-)

Knagl www.rocktheslot.com. it is a live web feed. I am down at the machine now

I've used this module that would let you do just that. Actually it could handle the hopper thing too since it has I/Os.

http://netmedia.com/siteplayer/webserver/spk1.html (http://netmedia.com/siteplayer/webserver/spk1.html)

Nice!  I like your sign on the top of the machine!  :3- :3- :3-




Neat stuff!

Can some one design one for S2000
Note it uses a coin good signal from the Comparator
I cant tell if it logic 1 pulse or what it happens too quick for my DMM.