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Guys, I'm getting addicted to these machines.  Picking up a Red White and Blue Big Times Pay S2000 this week!  Looks like a fun machine!  If you have any advice, comments, things to look for, etc, I'd appreciate your expertise.  It's got a ticket printer, MEI validator, keys, clear chip.  More photos and video to come later in the week!

Cheers!
Jason

Looks like one of the major issues is around the static/hum.  I'm trying to get part numbers/revisions of the amp board, sound card, and MPU.  From the giant post, looks like 10 ohm resistors do the trick with most of these.

Dude those machines are made to be in a casino, so theres always going to be some type of hum , Don,t fixit unless it,s broke, or it will be  soon

Just trying to get informed to be able to make decisions.  I completely agree with "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," but it sounds like some if the board revisions sound REALLY bad unless a bandaid is applied in some fashion.

I have an s2000 here and yes, there is some hum but not really noticable. There was a thread on this and the consensus was, leave it.

You will love your S2000. If you have a noise problem with the speakers,  you would know already.  It's a horrible sound.
If there are any Casinos near you put your ear next to a S2000. The Upper fan makes a little noise & they hum inside. Like one member said .you don't hear that in a Casino.

Advise,
Hang on to your wallet. These machines are a lot of fun. The more you learn on this site the more  comfortable you will be  owning one.

Good luck

There were probably at least 500 posts in the past and long past here ago about this concern. I think a lot of info must have been lost as some of MINE here.  B.

Picking it up Friday.  Once I get it home, I'll start digging into it and determine whether or not the noise is going to kill me.  The stickied topic that I started in the S+ forum was soothing to my ears after I ran with Bunker's reel mod.  At any rate, this game came from the Luxor, so one of the first things that I'm gonna do is paint that "Fruit Striped Gum" cabinet satin black. 

Then, the posts will flow.  ;)

Thanks for the help guys!

Jason

lol...yeah dude...please get rid of the stripes phew! lol
Otherwise, great machine!!! :89-
You're gonna have a lot to play with!

Nasty cabinet.  Won't be that way for long.  ;)

oh my god! That's looks like the foyer of the Brady Bunch home.  :72-
I'd be looking down the spray paint aisles at Walmart right away.
My son did his go-kart with some kind of Body Armour sticky paper for example that looks great!
You can always do a nice laminate job like Bob does too!

Yea, it came from Luxor alright.  I have 5 machines that look exactly like this one and actually have the same game in one of them.  I wish my reel strips looked better though.  It's a fun game, hard to win anything on but fun.  The static noise I hear in my speakers isn't enough to make me want to do anything about it.  Enjoy the game.

You have a nice collection.

I'm stopping at two, lack of space, lack of funds.

I have my D.D. Haywire with D.D.H. I.G.T. Topper & I have ordered a Double Time 3x4x5x. Both are Round Tops & S2000.

thank again,

Richard

Picked up the machine today!  After driving for 8 hours straight, it's now sitting in the room all shined up and has a shiny new black cabinet...goodbye Fruit Striped Gum!  Cleaned out the inside, rinsed out and oiled the fan, and removed the Luxor decals.  Chrome is in excellent shape!  Said goodbye to my Jackpot Jungle...the guy that I bought the RWB and Game King from took it in on trade.  It was fun for a while, but it got boring pretty quick. 

Haven't played around too much in menus yet...too tired.  Photos and video will be coming soon!

Couple questions about the machine:

1.  It has a MM Lite sound board in it and SIMM on it.  Is this the only sound option that BTP machines have?  The reel spin sounds are the generic IGT classic spin sounds...no enhanced options it looks like.  Is there a MM Lite 2 option to provide more souns?

2.  The buzz only comes out of the left speaker.  If I try the resistor trick, anyone got a Radio Shack part number/spec?  If that doesn't work, I'll probably order a 504b board.

Thanks again guys!

Jason

Most have reel spin sound options and or roll up sound options.  You'll have to navigate through your menus to see what options yours has.

Thanks,
Wayne

Another nice machine!  :244-
And it's obvious you like to tinker. Take a look at what r273, Ron did with his S2000's card reader area. I think he installed a Bally Mastercom for his card readers. Very cool!  :71-

Some photos...I'll get some "Dark Room" shots tonight.  ;)

Couple more:

Couple photos of the board and MM Lite.  Should I clip off the green battery?  Board is a 503 Rev A. 

The game has cool sound, but I wasn't sure if the board I have is an MML 1 or 2 and if there are other sound SIMM's that can be upgraded.

Thanks!
Jason

The easiest way to differentiate them: Multi-media Lite (MML) boards have EPROM sockets (four of them).  Multi-media Lite 2 (MML2) boards support a single Flash SIMM card.  Your machine has the proper sound simm installed DSV0051, it ain't gonna get any better than that.

yes, remove the nicad battery.
w

Just finished the installation of the Radio Shack part number 271-1105 47 ohm 1/2W 5% Carbon Film Resistor on all three speakers.  I turn the volume up to 10 now, but it is clear, no buzz, no distortion.

Attached are some night photos!

Lookin' Good, Congrats   :3-  Don't forget to ditch the green nicad like Wayne said, it'll only give you grief down the road if you don't!

 :185-    Congratulations on the new game!  Great looking GK also!  AS a side question...
How hard is this RWB game kit to come by for the S2000?   :103-

Nice machine Yoeddy!!! Congrats! :3-
You've come a long way since you first came on here with your Jackpot Jungle... :72-

Just curious

Whats the Ni-Cad battery do and why remove it??? :103-

Captain Hook

If you leave the big GREEN BATTERY in there,
it will deteriorate and begin to leak acid onto the board and eat wire traces
and pretty much completely destroy your board.
Still want to leave it in?  :72-

I guess thats a good enough reason to remove it but why was it put there to begin with??


Will the machine lose some of its settings without it??? :103-

Captain Hook

Captain Hook    Tilt told us they are for Casino Security and of no use for home use!!!  If you would like some of them, I have about 30 I would sell cheap!!!  :200- :200-

There are few threads on S2000 nicad batteries, but the bottom line is get rid of it before it starts leaking and damages your MPU board.  There are several circuit traces in the vicinity of the battery that are part the circuits that detect open doors.  Typically the first sign of damage you'll notice is that you get intermittent Door Open M or Door Open MB error messages, unfortunately by the time you see them the damage is likely already done.  You can usually verify that by checking for corrosion built up on the battery terminals and surrounding components. If you have a lot of corrosion then realigning door optics/belly switches most likely won't help you clear the error.  You'll need a new MPU board. 

Here's one thread.  http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=5189.0
 
The purpose of the nicad battery is to provide backup power to "telltale" circuitry which log security events (primarily door openings/closings) when the AC power is out/off.

Thanks for the comments and help guys!  I just finished doing a key chip config and setting up the printer with a partial pay between the hopper and printer.  Pretty cool machine!  The nicad battery battery will be tomorrow's project.  I think I'm actually done and ready to play it now!  Ha! 

The sounds are great on it.  The only thing that I wish I could change is the spin sound, but it looks like it's maxed out for options.  This game appears to only have the generic IGT spin sound.  Oh well, not a biggie, unless there is a chip that will change that.  ;)

No doubt bunker...learned a ton from the gang out here.  Now I've just gotta get my CEI poker machine sold.  ;)

After you remove it you will need to do a clear with a 97 clear chip, I suggest clearing it 3 times to really clean that sucker out.  And then after that you need to do a Key 17 and set-up the machine again.  It's a fairly simple process and really worth it to save your board as Tilt and Stat suggests.

Jim, I've got a 31 keychip.  Used it last night successfully.  Haven't popped off the nicad battery yet.  Am I going to need the chips below that you specified?  Also, do I have to de-solder that thing, or can i just 'clip' it off?  I'm not the world's best soldering guy by any means.

You can clip it out if you're not comfortable desoldering it from the board.  You shouldn't need to Key it afterwards because the nicad battery has nothing to do with backing up the machines settings/configuration, the coin cell battery is responsible for that. Key 31 will work for your machine though should you ever need it.

Any tips on clipping these things out?  Not a lot of room around there to clip without possibly damaging something else. 

Small sharp dikes..I guess side or diagonal cutters is a more PC term these days, not that I really care.  Either that or you can yank it out with pliers like usautoservice did, but I don't recommend that.   

Yo! Eddy!
They look like these things!
I got them at my local hardware store...
Click on photo to enlarge>>>

Eddy
I am taking batteries out of mine now. 1 down -5 more to go. when I looked they are all starting to corode.
Tried @ solder and didn't like heat on board.
I support battery with one hand and get between battery and bracket w/fine screwdriver and pry battery and bracket apart.
Then real careful bend bracket back & forth till it breaks off.
Put back in machine & all works.
No set up
Ford

2 down--fast way to do it.
both work ok

I un-soldered mine and had no problems, clean off.

Weeeeeel.
I'm 70 and my eye sight is not what it used to be. I have trouble seeing to solder.
Back in the 70's & 80's when I worked on cb radios I had a mag. glass with a light.
I'm trying to find one like I had so I can see again.
Ford

Like this? It's a cheapie but it works!  :89-

eBay: Clamp On Desk Lamp 3 Diopter Mag Lens 36 Flex Arm (http://cgi.ebay.com/Clamp-On-Desk-Lamp-3-Diopter-Mag-Lens-36-Flex-Arm-/180530285619?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a08718c33)

The second link is a better one>>>
eBay: Mag-Lamp 5 Diopter on Stand (http://cgi.ebay.com/Mag-Lamp-5-Diopter-on-Stand-Spa-Equipment_W0QQitemZ310103992971QQcategoryZ11862QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4712.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D8%26pmod%3D180530285619%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7010647263499901933)

Below is a photo of my heavy duty metal work mag/light.
The steel ones are more in the $80 dollar range but will last pretty much uh....forever...lol >>>

Thanks Bunker
I got one comming-the cheaper one will work for me.
Ford

I'll bet you've been waiting for months to use that one!  :200- :96- :30- :30-   :208- :208- :208- :208-

Stat :31-

oh yeah!... It was appropriate wasn't it? lol

It was bound to happen sometime, and I figured it would be Bunker.  LOL!

Used the pliers trick, but all I did was wiggle it left to right and it just detached itself almost like it was held on with chewing gum.  Very harmless.  Put the board back it and it fired up like a champ!  Thanks again for the tips fellas!

Hey!
I'm glad you got that sucker out Eddy!   :109-


We don't need no stinkin' batteries!!... :107-

I couldn't take it any more.  There were air bubbles and minor residue on the 25 cent sticker.  Made it look like there were little worms behind the sticker...not sure if you can tell by the photo.  Took off the panel and cleaned the sticker, glass, and inside panel.  Reapplied the sticker and now it is "el perfecto."  I'm so sick.

It looks all nice and shiny!  :199- Enjoy your new machine.  :wa