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I'm kind of stumped on this one, after about 6 hours I decided to take key board in hand. I have 4   S 2000 I'm trying to install coin handling. All I get is Coin in error on all 4 of them.   I have 1 machine (S 2000) that does except coins, I have been using it as a test stand. That said all the parts and wiring looms I have been using are known GOOD. I wrote down all the key settings on the working machine, and compared them to the other machines and they are exactly the same. I even went so far as to switch the MPU board, from the working machine, didn't make any difference.  Let me be clear, all 4 machines are working machines, they just will not except coins. Drop a coin in, it goes to the hopper and gives a coin in error, open and close door  clears error.  :99- :99-

Try moving the comparitor and optics from the working machine to one of the others and make sure you have coin deflector plugged in. other than that check the coin denom setting on the machine

what type of clear did you perform.  the e square or whatever they call it when I'm not , well it needs to be cleared too.///

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Buzz,
Do you have a different clear chip to try?

Been there and done that. Take everything out of the good machine and will not work in the other machines. I'm working with 5 comparitor brackets, 5 comparitors, 5 coin optics, and 5 wiring looms, all have been tested in the working machine and all are GOOD. The Green light does come on on the Comp. and it will send the coin to the hopper, that's when I get the CALL ATTENDEANT Coin In Error   Another thing even on the good machine, if I press the little white button on the coin optic board, it will NOT add a credit.
 Accounting set at  .01  coin denom set at .05  multi-denom set at .05, .25, .50, and one dollar. deflector is plugged in.

The only clear I've done is with a 097  I think that's the only clear chip I have. I just took a look I have a 006 and a z clear. I've never had to use them. 

I don't know if this helps you at all Buzz,
but when I press the little white button on the coin-in optics on my S2000 -
I don't get any credits onto the display meter either.  :103-

I do get the coin-in error when I try the "Service Coin" button while the
door is open and the cherry switch plunger is fully pulled.
I think that's normal however - the machine is sensing an abnormal action.
I clear this error just by closing the door.

By chance is this a 504 board?  What is your hopper limit set to?  Dumb questions I know...but were heading in a direction here.

Jim the working machine is a Big Time Pay, it had a 504 board in it to start with, I switched it with a 502. The 502 works in the BTP but the 504 will not work in the other machines the rest of the boards are 502s. Hopper is set for 100

Jim I need to add something else, three of these machines have a S+ SS chip in them.  I'm using a SB001000 Base chip.

After you did your full clear and then did your key chip and went into settings, by chance would you have messed around with the "coin-less mode" settings?  Can you press the test button and work your way through the menu and get to the Key Chip settings...see what it says about coin-less mode and whether or not it is enabled or disabled.

Disabled

Just for kicks and giggles, can you take the working board from the working machine that is accepting coins from the "test stand" and put it into one of the questionable machines and see if it will then accept coin.

Jim  I'm ahead of you I've already tryed that. The 504 was in the good machine, the good machine now has a 502 board and the 504 will not work in the other machines. The 502 works fine in the good machine.  Hell one of the machines in question, I didn't even want to make it coin handling, but it didn't have a SS chip in it so I gave it a try.

AT one time tonight I had a Sierra Silver machine yelling BIG TIME PAY

Buzz,
   I'm enjoying the nightlife at the cottage but I believe you may need to use a different clear chip.  I guess I assumed that you already swapped all of the components since your first post said that, but did you swap the board from the working game with the set of chips intact or change out the chips? 

Thanks,
Wayne

I almost forgot to ask what the chip numbers are?

Wayne I had to switch the chips. The working machine is a 3 Reel plus a bonus reel (Big Time Pay) the troublesum machines are all 3 Reel. I now have a IVO224 clear, I can give it a try.
 Last weekend I gave my Brother in Law a 3 reel and all I did to it was install a coin head, Comp bracket, optics and It was good to go. Matter of fact it went all the way to FT. Smith, Arkansas

224 is best choice for a 504 followed by a 45 key.

I'll grab another refreshment then check back. 

W

Well I did a 224  with a key 31  let me make a 45 and try it.  Well I started with a 17 and set Machine type as upright but after I left key menue I had a Miss match so went back to a key 31 and got it play, still would not take a coin. Well it takes it but tilts.

what are the game chip numbers?  did you swap the IO boards?
w

Wayne  SB001000   SG000363   VS011GX1   SS 4614

I did a 224 clear and 45 key It didn't help   

silly question perhaps but is the coin the correct size for the block/guide?
w

Key Chip The key chip is required to change some game options, such as the denomination. The
key chip is a 27C4002 or a 27C240 device and is labeled with the key chip number
KEY00031.
Clear Chip This IGT utility program enables the operator to clear the game memory. Use
IVC00223 (or replacement) to clear RAM or use IVC00224 (or replacement) to clear
RAM and EEPROM.

Wayne   I have a Key 17, 31, and a 45.   Clear keys I have a 097 and a 224   Every one seems to do the job, I do a clear with which ever one (97 or 224) in key menu I have to reset every setting, this makes me think that it cleared.  All 3 key chips will take me to key menu, this makes me think any and all of them are working.  The front display tells me to insert coin, I do and it gives coin in error, if by chance a coin doesn't go to the hopper but rejects to the tray I don't get the error.
 The guide is the right size, heck I've had 5 different sets of optics in that one machine. All of them couldn't be wrong.
 I'm beginning to think the Casino must have cut a wire somewhere. Looks like I can spend the day tomorrow with my handy dandy multi-meter.

Hi

The S2000/IGame platform is a bit different form the PE+/S+ platform. It has only the two optics on the optic board. The third pulse has to come from the comparator. If you go into IO test you can check if the status is changing on all 3 the inputs. My guess is that its nnot getting the expected pulse from the comp and then Optic A and Optic B. If it does not get initial comp pulse but A and B optic pulse it tilts.

Edit - Some info from some checks I did a while back- S2000 would be the same thing

Ok so I have been checking the I-Game platform. Works a bit different from the PE+/S+. for starters the coin comp does not trigger the optic board but status is reported to the processor.
The two optics are normally high and go low when a coin passes (And to detect when board is disconnected). The coin pulse signal is normally low and goes high on coin detect.

So the sequence will probably look like this 3= Coin In Sense. 1 = Coin In 1 2= Coin in 2
3 1 2

0 1 1
1 1 1
0 1 1
0 0 1
0 0 0
0 1 0
0 1 1


Ian

Buzz,
  the post was to show that you were using the correct clear and key chips with the 224 and 31, so they can be ruled out.  Is it the same comparitor from the working machine.  I was thinking the same as TZ when I asked coin size, it seems as if the machine doesn't like the signal or isn't able to accept it.  Comparitor or some conflicting settings which you said  you ruled out.

Buzz

Agree with Wayne. Dont think this is a setup issue. Have been thinking some more about this. Did these machines by any chance come from a TITO casino ? Did they ever work on coins that you are aware of?

Normally to make a machine coinless you will add a plug with jumpers at the connector where the coin assembly harness plugs in. All this does it keep the A optic and B optic IO's in a permanent Hiigh logic level. Now it may be possible that this mod was done on these machines by lazy techs somewhere further down in the harness. This could also explain the tilt Ie it gets the comp pulse but never the A and B optic pulse.

Either way do the IO test for each IO and see if it pulses.

Ian

Ian   I could never find the I//O optic test you are referring to.
  But I did get three of the machines to take coins, the fourth one I have to wait until dark to work on it. I wouldn't want anyone to see me working on that BUTT UGLY S 2000 9 line in the day light. Now your asking how I got them to work, and I really don't know. With a multi-meter I traced the wires from the coin optics back to the door I/O and they were good, so while I had the I/O out I sprayed electrical cleaner on all the connections. Put it back together and couldn't get the coin in error to clear, after messing with the door optics (nothing wrong with them) I took a small pick and bent the female connectors that go from the coin optics to the door harness, That did the trick, worked so good I did the same steps on the other two machines. I should add I did not do another clear or Key today,  :88- :88- :88-


Jim, Wayne and Ian   THANKS

excellent Buzz.  and you didn't have to shoot them...

thanks,
Wayne

Good job Buzz!  :131- :3- :3-

So it sounds like you had dirty or bad connections in each of the female plugs on the end of the harnesses that connect to the optics. With this happening in so many machines, could this be another common weak point in the S2000 that people should be looking out for in the future?

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Wayne I was kind of thinking, a quarter stick of TNT in each one would do the trick. Go figure I got the 4th machine to except coins and it only took me 10 minutes. Bet I worked on it 3 hours yesterday, and got no where. I know the key set up is wrong,  but everything works. I guess if I lived in Bosie I could F*** with it but I don't, so I won't.  :30- :30- :30-

David I didn't see your post.   I did have one bad Comparitor in my mix of parts. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this, A S+ or Bally 5500 if the comp. is bad the coin will go to the tray. In my case yesterday I had a Green light on the Comp. and the coin would go to the hopper, but it turned out the Comp. is bad. Ian said in this thread the Comp. has to send a pulse (he hit that one right on the head) I would guess to the I/O board and back to the coin optics. 

Buzz, from what Ian said, the comparitor doesn't send a pulse back to the optics, it sends a pulse (changes it's voltage state) to the MPU board. The program (in the SG chip) that runs the machine looks for a combination of signal state changes from the compaitor and then from the optic board in the specific order that he posted and within a specific time frame (in milliseconds) to validate that a coin passed through the assembly correctly. The voltage changes represent binary data of either 0 (low voltage state) or 1 (high voltage state).

But I thought you said that taking a pick to the female connectors on the optic board harness and spraying contact cleaner on the (male?) connections is what solved the problem. :128-

So Buzz,

Are you saying that you have to lube up the male and stick it into the female that you were working on with your pick??? :200- :200- :200-

I am just glad that you got them going finally!

CH :95-

Hi

Glad you got it working - I hate it when you change so many things and all of a sudden the machine starts working you dont actually know what the problem was. In this case it sound like the female connectors stretched and were not making contact. They are pricey but a set of Molex extractors are always good to have.

Just a little correction to my oiginal post. The optics and comp work through the IO board to the MPU board. I will have a look at exactly where the various IO's are in the S2000 menu structure.

Ian

Good job Buzz,
It sounds like you're on your way to getting these puppies up and running like they should!  :3-
I've been following this post and doing constructive thinking on it.
I believe here's a rundown on the problem.>>>

A bad female receptor pin making bad/weak contact with
the male pin connector could cause flaky, erratic
timing errors and thereby forcing the MPU to send out
a "coin-in" error code to the display.

Does this sound logical to everyone?
I'm wondering if I'm on the right track. :128-

Hello All

For future reference - To test the individual optics

Press Test switch on MPU and select using appropriate buttons
4.1 IO Tests
4.1.1 Door Input
4.1.1.1 Standard

Now scroll between
Coin In 1 - Default State 1 - A Optic
Coin In 2 - Default State 1 - B Optic
Coin In 3 - Default State 0 - Comp Pulse

Check each IO for state change individually. Loose wire / to big coin guide / faulty optic / faulty comp and one or more wont change state in expected sequence and cause a tilt.

Ian